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I would like to return to the glory days of switching everything off at the plug. Often I cannot reach comfortably nowadays. I hope MARK OATEN will sort this out for me.

I have erased Community TV and Teachers TV and Bloomberg. Perhaps I am becoming reckless. I am tempted to erase the pop video channels too.

I think the VCR will forget the time if you switch it off at the plug.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Even if you switch off at the plug, make sure you leave the plugs in so that the current doesn't leak out!

Mooro (Mooro), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Why a laptop computer is not using power, I don't know. But again - what do I know?

i unplug it, it uses battery power while asleep.


Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I discovered the first episode of 'The Beiderbecke Affair' on ITV3 or something the other day. Lovely.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

James Bolam. I watched that, back in the day. I think.

Back in the days when I had an attention span.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

And the magnificent Barbara Flynn. IMDB reveals she was a hostage in middling Bill Murray vehicle Quick Change! The beginning and end of her Hollywood career.

ITV3 has been superceded in our affections by More4 and ITV4 (all yr ITC/RAI needs).

They're talking about debut hat-tricks on Sky Sports News. I bet they don't mention Tony Cottee OR if they mention Ian St John they neglect to point out that Everton beat Liverpool 4-3 in that match.

Hang on, I have email, they have email...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Did someone else get a debut hat-trick this weekend or has the entire universe fallen for the Scottish-media-led idea that getting a hat-trick against Peterhead (one of which was a penalty) makes Kris Boyd the new Pele? Or are they laughing at him in favour of *proper* debutante hat-tricks?

I have taken to watching National Geographic's rubbish list programmes (Top 10 "when bears fall out of trees onto trampolines", that sort of thing - seriously, the other night I watched a bear fall out of a tree onto a trampoline. It bounced off the trampoline and fell head first onto the ground. Then they followed it with some people who nearly drowned trying to rescue a cow off a cliff. Do you even get National Geographic on Digibox?

I still haven't watched anything on ITV4. Too many channels!

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to always leave my stereo's amplifier on, cause it was supposed to make it sound better and maybe last longer too. Then I gave up caring.

An old-fashioned valve amplifier would definitely last longer if it was kept switched on all the time - valves are really just a sophisticated sort of lightbulb, and valve failure nearly always occurs at switch-on.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

middling Bill Murray vehicle Quick Change

Middling? Vehicle?

It's a terrific picture!

the pinefox, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, it tails off quite a bit, doesn't it? I think the first third is terrif, mind. And vehicle only in the sense that Bill was driving it (he co-directed). But can he get it to the airport on time? Ho ho.

I'm now watching a Snow show on one of the normal channels about land ownership. Pam is getting quite angry.

(I shamefully have left my CD player, phono pre-amp, line-level pre-amp, and monoblocs switched on for weeks at a time. The CD player has a class A output stage so it's probably sucking power from the wall like nobody's business 24 hours a day. It's the only concession to audiophile lore I make thesedays. I accept I'm also killing the planet).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

(Blimey, look at the serial comma in the first sentence of my last paragraph! It's the S0ft1tl3r virus.)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link

You are one of those people who knows what a serial comma is. I had never heard of them before that commas thread. And only now do I remember what they are called. I don't think I actually do them, mind.

Seeing as we are picking on your writing, you also made 'thesedays' into one word. Is that a new usage, like Morrissey's 'Everyday' meaning ... 'every day'?

I suppose I can meet you halfway on Quick Change.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link

No, it's a shocking error. Or shockingerror. But, as we say in my line of work, it's not a resupply. It's also an excitable crushing together of words in tribute to an REM song I would like to hear right now.

The MOD owns 600,000 acres of land in the UK - cor! The mods own only a few promenades.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, yes, *that* song - it's smashing! One of my favourites.

Another parallel is 'Inbetween Days', where I am not sure the first word is quite a proper word.

It is only now that I understand what you meant by 'Snow show'.

The rockers, I suppose, own only a red guitar, three chords and the truth?

the pinefox, Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

We have got our usb digibox thing for our pc, which is great, but we need to buy another ariel because we can't get BBC3&4, any of the itv's or channel 4, and goodness knows what other lesser known channels. For some reason we get More4+1 and E4+1 but not the normal ones. (we're just using the ariel that came with the box, the TV ariel is at the other end of the house, so a little out of reach)

Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

It'll be the arrangement of the channels on each multiplex, Vicky (I think)...

See http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/terrestrial/mux/

If you can't get BBC3 (Mux1), you probably can't get BBC1, BBC2 or News 24 either?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

No, we get BBC 1, 2 and News 24, just not 3&4, bizarre.

Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I had missed whole swathes of this thread.

I call serial commas, "the Oxford Comma". Sounds much posher.

This morning: red button goals galore action from the likes of EVERTON.

In the near future:

Friday 20 January - 1900-2030 GMT, BBC THREE
Group A: Egypt v Libya

Saturday 21 January - 1900-2110 GMT, BBC THREE
Group A: Morocco v Ivory Coast
Group B: Cameroon v Angola
Group B: Togo v DR Congo

Sunday 22 January - 1900-2100 GMT, BBC THREE
Group C: Tunisia v Zambia
Group C: South Africa v Guinea

Monday 23 January - 1900-2100 GMT, BBC THREE
Group D: Nigeria v Ghana
Group D: Zimbabwe v Senegal

Tuesday 24 January - 1900-2100 GMT, BBC THREE
Group A: Libya v Ivory Coast
Group A: Egypt v Morocco

Wednesday 25 January - 1900-2100 GMT, BBC THREE
Group B: Angola v DR Congo
Group B: Cameroon v Togo

Thursday 26 January - 1900-2100 GMT, BBC THREE
Group C: Zambia v Guinea
Group C: Tunisia v South Africa

Friday 27 January - 1900-2100 GMT, BBC THREE
Group D: Ghana v Senegal
Group D: Nigeria v Zimbabwe

Saturday 28 January - 1900-2100 GMT, BBC THREE
Group A: Egypt v Ivory Coast
Group A: Libya v Morocco

Sunday 29 January - 1900-2100 GMT, BBC THREE
Group B: Angola v Togo
Group B: Cameroon v DR Congo

Monday 30 January - 1900-2100 GMT, BBC THREE
Group C: Tunisia v Guinea
Group C: Zambia v South Africa

Tuesday 31 January - 1900-2100 GMT, BBC THREE
Group D: Nigeria v Senegal
Group D: Ghana v Zimbabwe

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 19 January 2006 11:09 (eighteen years ago) link

The Oxford Comma!

the bellefox, Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:05 (eighteen years ago) link

"The Oxford comma is frequently, but in my view unwisely, omitted by many other publishers."

R.W. Burchfield - The New Fowler's Modern English Usage.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 26 January 2006 09:46 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
So last month:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4614598.stm

"The guy who owns it really should do the lottery because the chances of sending out a signal from a digibox and sending out precisely and exactly on a major emergency channel are far more than 14 million to one."

Today:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/4712122.stm

SO JUST WHAT ARE THE ODDS?

It's ironic that this thread has turned into a bit of an S.O.S. list.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

number of dixigoxes / number of sos calls made by same: 1

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I expect Fireman Sam to come round any day now.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 15:01 (eighteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
(This is a repeat, and a boring one at that)

More digibox excitement: the other day I put it on top of the DVD player, and when I tried to play a DVD it wouldn't work, just kept saying "CLOSE" and flickering about. Took DVD back to library as "damaged". Got replacement DVD. Also refused to work. Tried DVD that is personal property and known to work. Would not work. Moved digibox. All was sweetness and light again.
That was a bit longwinded. To sum up:

a) I am a joey.

b) My digibox lacks some kind of "shielding".

c) funny old world.

I want one of those Humax recording things.

I wonder if ITV Digital boxes are collectors' items?

3-way at Argos sounds absolutely delightful. Brings a whole new meaninglessness to "please go to your collection point".

-- PJ Miller (pjmiller6...), January 4th, 2007.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 4 January 2007 08:58 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Yet more digibox excitement:

Directly after last night's opening episode of gritty kidnap drama FIVE DAYS, a disembodied voice suggested that I "set [my] recorder" to make sure I managed to catch "all the episodes".

Did anyone else hear this, or was it a subliminal message?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 11:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I bought one! It is also a DVD player, and it has a hard drive too. Every Daily Show this week is going straight into the vault. My building has a rooftop aerial so I plugged it in and VOILA. It's very much like the "free cable" that you get in New York, i.e. if you don't pay for cable but you decide to take the cable that's coming through the wall and plug it into your TV just to see what happens, you get like 30 channels, a few of which are alright and most of which are terrible. The main difference with Freeview, I guess, is that the digital broadcasters in the UK get away with providing a very pixellated picture a lot of the time. It is cool having all the digital radio stations on there, too, though.

It's just my impression, because I don't actually know, but isn't the US pretty far behind when it comes to digital broadcasting in general? Clinton signed a bill that said all transmissions had to be digital by a certain year (I think it was 2007) but Americans have never even heard of digital radio, much less TV.

The other thing that occurs to me is that maybe that's a good thing! Digital television seems like the final nail in the coffin of "the public airwaves", i.e. the idea that no-one can own the magnetic fields of Earth, and no-one can own all the air one must vibrate in order to broadcast radio and television signals. Because governments are "auctioning" the spectrum off. Am I misled in the thought that this is a very different concept from what has heretofore prevailed, i.e. that broadcasters used the frequency spectrum at the public's pleasure?

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:07 (seventeen years ago) link

the govt made itself monopoly broadcaster initially! i think the assumption has always been that the state owns the airwaves and it can flog 'em off one by one (as it were) as it sees fit. you *could* identify the government with the public, i *guess*.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I need a DVD hard disk recorder but how would I get it to work with my Home Choice box? e.g. would the HD recorder controls be able to change cable channes automatically for programmes (which I know Sky+ does)? it seems unlikely. So I'd only be able to record the current channel.

vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Tracer the internet is the new public airwaves really.

vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link

The pixilation is because:

a) your aerial is crap or badly aligned
b) it is in the shadow of something
c) Signal strength is poor till analogue switchoff occurs (although this is not much of a problem in London, compare to the other two).

Government are auctioning licences rather than selling off spectrum, but it does amount to the same thing. Multiplexing is what is centralising the airwaves. Bouquets of channels need to be broadcast from the same place rather than in a distributed fashion so there are gate keepers other than the government and TV-Channels in the mix.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:19 (seventeen years ago) link

It's that identification that allows the state to claim ownership in the first place. The medium being auctioned is the air we all breathe, and the electromagnetic fields we all wade through each day. It seems eminently public, just like oil and coal do. Private companies should surely be compensated, and somtimes handsomely, for facilitating the exploitation of these common resources, but no one in particular owns them. And when no one in particular, by logic and justice, owns an immensely valuable resource, it surely belongs to the state. What I question is the state's right to then turn around and sell what has accrued to it from public generosity. It's like Bruce Ratner in Brooklyn, getting the city to claim imminent domain on blocks of housing, knocking them down to build a stadium for the New Jersey Nets, accepting millions from the city coffers to do it, and then (mark my words) selling the team to someone else for a tidy profit three years later (max).

I also worry that because digital broadcasting has been taken up in a climate where the spectrum has been auctioned, rather than... what, borrowed? - then there will bo no obligation whatsoever to provide public service programming, i.e. educational programming, programing for kids, etc. And government requirements, both in the US and the UK, for broadcasters to permanently switch off their analogue transmitters forever, seem like a government enforcement of this privatization (not to mention an enforcement to buy expensive new kit).

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Ed I think in the US the spectrum was actually sold. I need to reesearch that, though, because I'm not sure.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:25 (seventeen years ago) link

More fool them then, we get to auction the same spectrum again when the next boondoggle comes along.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:27 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't get yr consitutional theory, tracer. or i 'get' it but i don't think it scans: what 'allows' the state to do anything is a series of concessions to (as of the 1920s anyway, when these decisions were made) various sectors of the population, viz, the vote. but only very few pols would have said that that means the public can be identified with the state.

indeed the bbc was explicitly made into a govt propaganda outlet during the general strike, and then during ww2.

there was a huge row re. coal mines being under private property. iirc the landowners got paid.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I keep forgetting you guys have a Queen.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:34 (seventeen years ago) link

it's not even about that: it's just that the authority of parliament isn't so explicitly related to representing "the public" as it might be. it hasn't fundamentally been changed by extending the franchise.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:36 (seventeen years ago) link

It is exactly about that. Government still derives it's power from the monarchy, even if the monarchy has ceded that power to whoever wins a popularity contest every 5 years.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link

That is not entirely true, parliament does not derive it's power to legislate on revenue matters from the Monarch.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:41 (seventeen years ago) link

The Act of Settlement basically means that parliament runs the country on a franchise basis from the monarch in return for a bundle of money.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:44 (seventeen years ago) link

1688 did sort of put the monarch out of play, but even still parliament is not beholden to 'the public' other than by the vote.

the biggest constitutional upheaval since 1688 (1910-14) ended in a weird kind of stalemate (in which the authority of parliament had to be maintained *against* the public (women, unions).

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:48 (seventeen years ago) link

The pixilation is because:
a) your aerial is crap or badly aligned
b) it is in the shadow of something
c) Signal strength is poor till analogue switchoff occurs (although this is not much of a problem in London, compare to the other two).

Does reception affect things like bitrate? I didn't know it worked like that - I thought you either got the picture quality as broadcast or you got break-up. I thought what Tracer was complaining about was things like 1980s drama serials on ITV2 looking like they've been converted on someone's laptop in ten minutes by some freeware.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:55 (seventeen years ago) link

that sounds right. my signal is loud and clear and the good stuff looks good; but other stuff looks crummy and compressed.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Bitrate is different. The less premium channels run at lower bitrates and are prone to artefacting.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Are you sure you're not thinking of 1980s drama serials like the ones on ITV 2 on your laptop, Michael?


I get more drop-outs on less premium AKA shit channels. Is that for the same reason, or am I doolally?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 13:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Michael that is EXACTLY what it looks like! Whether that is indeed the cause of the awfulness of it (a great example here is Battle Royale, shown the other night on... can't remember, which I was excited to finally see, only to find that everything BLACK had become BLUE and everything else had become GREY and when anyone swung a fist, the whole image seemed to shudder) or if it's the bitrate thing I don't know. I assumed it was the latter, and not because of reception, but because my understanding has been that broadcasters have had the choice to use all their "bits" (hur hur) to output, say, one pristine channel, or to output four channels of squidged-down compressed crap that they can still sell ads for.

Have had no drop-outs so far, except when I thought the sound was out on Big Brother, having not realized that's just the way the show is.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Some multiplexes are better than others but this has nothing to do with bitrate. The BBC has the best multiplexes, of course.

That is artefacting and has to do with the channel purchasing a paltry amount of bitrate.

Which channel was it?

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link

> like 1980s drama serials on ITV2 looking like they've been converted on someone's laptop in ten minutes by some freeware.

ha, i spent last night doing exactly that. (although was bbc2 comedy from 1995)(and it was taking about 14 minutes per half hour)

> Bitrate is different. The less premium channels run at lower bitrates and are prone to artefacting.

this is what i thought tracer meant upthread - artefacting / pixelation.

oddly the worst picture i've seen is on csi on five via analogue - facial shadows were a lot darker than they should've been - like they'd been digitised on a 16 colour amiga or something. without dithering.

My Koogy Weighs A Ton (koogs), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 13:24 (seventeen years ago) link

only to find that everything BLACK had become BLUE and everything else had become GREY and when anyone swung a fist

sounds like a dodgy scart connection to me.

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 13:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Perhaps we're at cross-purposes; when Tracer says "pixellation" (blockiness, motion judder, low-res feel) he means what Ed means when he says "artefacts". When Ed says "pixellation" he means when I mean when I say "break up".

TV was better at 405 lines. There must be a sloganed T-shirt I can get to that effect.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 13:32 (seventeen years ago) link

what I mean, obv

(Give me a break - 3 hours of sleep a night for the last six nights!)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 13:32 (seventeen years ago) link


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