Golden Girls: Classic or Dud?

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Of course Bea Arthur is the one gets all the hipster name-drops but Betty White is the true LIFE-FORCE of the show. Obviously.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 12 April 2003 01:49 (seventeen years ago) link

What about Rue McClanahan or whatever? That's totally going to be me when I'm like 90.

Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 12 April 2003 01:53 (seventeen years ago) link

i thought that was you now.

*ducks*

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 12 April 2003 01:54 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.mariasducktales.com/FaithBabiesParade.jpg

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 12 April 2003 01:59 (seventeen years ago) link

What about Rue McClanahan or whatever? That's totally going to be me when I'm like 90.

No on both counts, 'cause she gets boring and icky when locked on earnest-mode.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 12 April 2003 02:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I don't like the earnest-mode, you're right. There's like this Hester Prynne syndrome going on all the time in sitcoms, the slutty characters always have to have big earnest-mode moments to make up for it. I say bring on the bawdiness, enough of this repentance.

Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 12 April 2003 02:05 (seventeen years ago) link

i thought that was you now.
*ducks*

Well, now we know who would make a great Sophia

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 12 April 2003 03:34 (seventeen years ago) link

..except jess would have to morph his dirty metaphors into Sicilian cuisine...

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 12 April 2003 03:35 (seventeen years ago) link

BEA ARTHUR!!! (the usual disclaimers apply)

Douglas (Douglas), Saturday, 12 April 2003 03:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Are you nominating yourself as Bea Arthur? I hope so cos then we'd only need a Betty White to complete the ILxor Golden Girls.

Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 12 April 2003 03:38 (seventeen years ago) link

nonono--my brush with stardom is that Bea Arthur is actually a second cousin of mine (grandmother's niece)!

Douglas (Douglas), Saturday, 12 April 2003 05:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm amazed that rosemary has yet to post to this thread.

hstencil, Saturday, 12 April 2003 05:12 (seventeen years ago) link

my mother got furious with me when i was twelve and i started using the word 'slut' in conversation. the source? sophia => "i'm not going to be seen talking to that ignorant slut!"

i love how betty white's (character's) husband had a heart attack during sex! i mean, what are the odds?

Dave M. (rotten03), Saturday, 12 April 2003 05:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I love how you deliniated between Betty White and her character there! It made me larf.

Bea Arthur kicks ass. LITERALLY - I have shared my Bea Arthur story, yes? SHE KNOCKED ME ON MY ASS!

Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 12 April 2003 05:17 (seventeen years ago) link

hstencil, I've only just seen this thread NOW.

The best episode ever was where Bea Arthur did Jerry Orbach.

rosemary (rosemary), Saturday, 12 April 2003 05:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude, Bea Arthur body slammed me on the street, she's my arch nemesis, she doesn't deserve Jerry Orbach.

Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 12 April 2003 05:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Bea Arthur doing Jerry Orbach sounds to me like something bound to induce COMPLETE AND TOTAL rosemary SHUTDOWN. I mean, how could you even continue to function after knowing these two idols, nay, MODELS FOR LIVING got it on?

hstencil, Saturday, 12 April 2003 05:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Did they talk about the Threepenny Opera afterwards, I wonder.

What happened to the gay cook they had on the first epsiode? Did he run off to live with Chuck Cunningham or something?

rosemary (rosemary), Saturday, 12 April 2003 05:59 (seventeen years ago) link

bea arthur plus jerry orbach =

http://www.nexusdomain.org/pics/misc/BIG%20BANG!.jpg

Dave M. (rotten03), Saturday, 12 April 2003 06:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Bea Arthur on her fellow cast members: "One was lovely, one was wonderful, the other was a fucking cunt"

Said fucking cunt was Betty White. Bea apparently once shat in Betty's shoe - which is another reason WHY I LOVE HER

j0e (j0e), Saturday, 12 April 2003 11:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic. One of the most well crafted sitcoms ever and perfect comfort telly. Bea/Dorothy may have the anchor of the show, but Betty/Rose was the real star. Is anyone in a position to elaborate on the alleged feud between Bea and Betty?

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Saturday, 12 April 2003 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno if this show was a classic, but it was a lot closer to it than... er... Brighton Belles.

Those who have forgot/blanked it out or are outside the UK are quite privileged.

So Bea had *sex* with Jerry Orbach? Have I got that right? I didn't see that. I thought for a second 'did' meant she impersonated him... which I somehow didn't find remotely surprising...

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Saturday, 12 April 2003 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

It was classic except when it was being nice. Fortunately, when it did start getting sweet and sentimental, there were always characters to undercut it, so mostly real good.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 12 April 2003 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

One of the common misconceptions re. The Golden Girls was that it was so "nice", anodyne and twee. In fact the repartee between the "girls" was often surprisingly spiky and sharp. I think my favourite episode was when an old friend of Dorothy came to stay, came out as a lesbian and fell in love with Rose.

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Saturday, 12 April 2003 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

"Not if you were hanging upside-down from a trapeze, Blanche!"

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 12 April 2003 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

"Not even if you were hanging upside-down from a trapeze, Blanche!"

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 12 April 2003 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

classic. It's disturbing to realize I was possibly introduced to the concept of sex by four elderly nymphomaniacs.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 12 April 2003 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Did you close your eyes and think of bunnies?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 12 April 2003 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't understand why bunnies would be preferable to elderly comediennes.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 12 April 2003 16:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Bunnies aren't as leathery and giggle less.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 12 April 2003 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

THAT'S QUITE ENOUGH

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 12 April 2003 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Finally, a place where I can freely express my draw to the Bea Arthur mystique. Is there an E! True Hollywood Story about the Golden Girls? If not, there really should be. (arthur) heh heh...eh.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Saturday, 12 April 2003 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Jeanne, will this do?

rosemary (rosemary), Saturday, 12 April 2003 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Pictures you'd like to see:

Bea Arthur in drag---as a woman

Skottie, Sunday, 13 April 2003 06:00 (seventeen years ago) link

From The Glossary of Literary Terms:

"The Old Comedy of the Greeks had three stock characters whose interactions constituted the standard plot: the alazon, or imposter and self-deceiving braggart, the eiron, or self-derogatory and understating character, whose contest with the alazon is central to the comic plot; and the bomolochos, or buffoon, whose antics add an extra comic element....Northrop Frye has revived these old terms [and] added a fourth, the agroikos -- the rustic or easily deceived character."

Obviously: Alazon = Blanche; Eiron = Dorothy; Bomolochos = Sophia; Agroikos = Rose

jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 13 April 2003 07:02 (seventeen years ago) link

"Danny Thomas is a lesbian?!?"

Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 14 April 2003 09:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm sorry Bea Arthur battered Ally, but she still totally rocks my world!

Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:05 (seventeen years ago) link

She threw me to the ground! She might as well have spit on me, the old bitty bitch!

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Why was she so enraged? Did you bring up the Star Wars xmas special?

Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:22 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
More, please.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 2 August 2004 21:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Classic! Was this the first TV series to star older women exclusively? Has there been one ever since? Older actresses don't get that much respect, they're usually offered only the granny/matriarch roles, and they definitely don't get to talk about sex. As mainstream TV is concerned, Golden Girls was groundbreaking indeed.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 2 August 2004 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link

I already said classic on the Lifetime thread, but I'll say it again. In fact, I'm watching it right now.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 2 August 2004 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Someone at work yesterday made a hipster "Bea Arthur" reference and no one laughed. I informed the sad fellow that Rue McClanahan was the new Bea Arthur.

Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 2 August 2004 21:52 (fifteen years ago) link

"Golden Girls" was "Sex and the City" -- fifteen years ahead of its time. Think about it.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 00:35 (fifteen years ago) link

It says the same thing on the IMDb Golden Girls user comments, Barry. I call shenanigans.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 00:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Complete and utter CLASSIC!!! One of the few reasons to even get out of bed in the morning.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 01:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Golden. Sex and the City cannot hold a candle to it. Also one of the only funny things on SNL in the past x years was the golden girls skit.

artdamages (artdamages), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 01:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Ha, I hadn't seen the comments on IMDb, but I did figure that I couldn't hae been the first person to make that connection.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:10 (fifteen years ago) link

I liked watching it for Sophia, but also it was funny how they rarely left the house except to get the mail or something.

Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 14:20 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...
* *GOLDEN GIRLS Season 3 DVD*


The Girls Are Back!

Cast DVD Signing for the Emmy-Award Winning TV Series
at Barnes & Noble in NYC November 22nd

WHO: "Golden Girls" cast: Bea Arthur, Betty White, and Rue McClanhan

WHAT: America's favorite girls are together again to celebrate the
release of the GOLDEN GIRLS Season 3 on DVD with an in-store
signing. Fans can now enjoy another helping of laughter,
misadventures, and cheesecake with this laugh-filled season of
the Emmy-Award winning TV sitcom -- all 25 episodes in this new
complete DVD set. Included are the original and unedited
"Golden Moments" episode where the girls share fond memories of
their times together, plus hilarious bonus features that prove
good comedy never grows old.

WHEN: Tuesday, November 22, 12:30 - 2:30PM

WHERE: Barnes & Noble Booksellers
675 6th Avenue (6th and 22nd)
New York, NY 10010

Be4 4rhtur ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 21:03 (fourteen years ago) link

look where I was a couple weeks ago

http://www.offerstone.com/UpLoadFile/Product/201404/Flower%20Monument_MG0422_0DS.jpg

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:46 (five years ago) link

Funny you should revive this thread today because I'm so going to this tonight:

https://www.facebook.com/events/282454278581810/?ref_notif_type=plan_mall_activity&source=1

You are exactly why people root for the apes (Eric H.), Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:54 (five years ago) link

Estelle is a stone's throw from Mel Blanc and Carl "Alfalfa" Switzer. I stumbled upon her after I failed to locate Alfalfa. :(

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:55 (five years ago) link

Did you get a photo of Mel's? Best epitaph.

pplains, Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:56 (five years ago) link

I did! Even though there is no shortage of them.

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:58 (five years ago) link

"That's all folks?"

You know something? He *did* say "well, yeah" a lot. (cryptosicko), Thursday, 24 July 2014 15:44 (five years ago) link

(oh damn, it actually is!)

You know something? He *did* say "well, yeah" a lot. (cryptosicko), Thursday, 24 July 2014 15:54 (five years ago) link

You should've taken another stab at Switzer's.

pplains, Thursday, 24 July 2014 16:21 (five years ago) link

man

balls, Thursday, 24 July 2014 21:35 (five years ago) link

jesus i don't think i realized til now just how fucking young most of the little rascals died. spanky was a relative methuselah making it to 64. darla died at 47, buckwheat died at 49. froggy died at 16. petey lived to 119 in dog years.

balls, Thursday, 24 July 2014 21:44 (five years ago) link

I had a grave-rubbing of Mel's epitaph for a long time

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 July 2014 21:45 (five years ago) link

the mel blanc coma story is one of the best stories i've ever heard

balls, Thursday, 24 July 2014 21:47 (five years ago) link

Tomorrow is Cheesecake Day!

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls1g0dCLGP1r0xiug.gif

You are exactly why people root for the apes (Eric H.), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 13:59 (five years ago) link

happy belated cheesecake day, y'all

DERE is no DERE DERE (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 1 August 2014 16:59 (five years ago) link

I forgot to eat a cheesecake. I only looked at pictures of cheesecake.

You are exactly why people root for the apes (Eric H.), Friday, 1 August 2014 17:06 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

"the Actor" way too low at #80. "Fiddler on the Ropes" way too high at #142.

MaudAddam (cryptosicko), Sunday, 14 September 2014 05:10 (five years ago) link

IKR. Gah, disqualifying clip eps and "Empty Nest," it seems pretty clear to me "Fiddler" is the show's lamest ep.

U guys

jaymc, Sunday, 14 September 2014 07:56 (five years ago) link

Remember ally ?

jaymc, Sunday, 14 September 2014 07:56 (five years ago) link

God ilx in 2003 listening to tATu and Stacie orrico

jaymc, Sunday, 14 September 2014 07:57 (five years ago) link

Thank you for being a friend.

I will always watch GG when it's on, but Maude (at least the earlier episodes) is the keeper of Bea's two sitcoms.
― Eric H., Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:21 PM (6 years ago)

How much has changed in the Obama years!

idk any of these by title! I want to watch the worst and the best to see what's up

Gay Fire Beautiful Dong (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 15 September 2014 19:11 (five years ago) link

jaymc was inebriated Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:56 AM (Yesterday)

mattresslessness, Monday, 15 September 2014 19:37 (five years ago) link

"Empty Nest" has next to nothing to do with the Golden Girls. It has almost nothing to do with the eventual GG spinoff Empty Nest. It's all quite confusing.

And I don't think the murder mystery episode is anywhere near the best of the lot, but like I said, not a whole lot separates the great GG eps from the non-great ones.

six months pass...

So, am I to buy my first LEGOs since I was 6?

Eric H., Wednesday, 8 April 2015 14:37 (five years ago) link

ten months pass...

Apparently the new Animal Collective song samples some GG dialogue, but I still don't want to listen to it.

pitchforkian at best (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 20:45 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Oral history.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Saturday, 5 March 2016 04:15 (four years ago) link

six months pass...

The Golden Girls puppet show runs through Dec. 11 at DR2 Theatre

PappaWheelie V, Friday, 30 September 2016 20:47 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

maybe you want this for Christmas too

https://twitter.com/keithuhlich/status/811685290305789952

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:54 (three years ago) link

four months pass...

Golden Girls Clue

some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Friday, 19 May 2017 14:15 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

Bea doll appears to be throwing the gaze she did after knocking over Allyzay

http://mentalfloss.com/article/551922/the-golden-girls-action-figures-neca-comic-con

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 17:06 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

I tasted a piece. It was dry and tasteless.

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Thursday, 25 October 2018 13:05 (one year ago) link

like ILX wit

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 October 2018 13:07 (one year ago) link

there's a whole bunch of them, here is the second roll out

https://www.funko.com/blog/article/coming-soon-funkos-cereal-wave-2

F# A# (∞), Thursday, 25 October 2018 16:24 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

luv u Elaine Stritch

Stritch entered a room of black suits. “I hope you all don’t mind that I’ve rewritten some of these lines to fit me,” she told them. “I’m Catholic, so I don’t want to say, ‘oh God.’ I can’t stand that.” She tried a curse instead. The suits stared back at her, aghast.

“I’m just glad I got out of there alive,” Stritch said years later. “I hate that show. Who’d be crazy enough to live in Florida with two other women and their mother?”

“For me to work with Betty White every day would be like taking cyanide.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/16/theater/elaine-stritch-broadway-roles.html

https://variety.com/2002/film/columns/stritch-almost-a-golden-girl-1117860373/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 2 November 2019 10:08 (eight months ago) link

Classic. Both Stritch and the Golden Girls. I’m glad she botched that audition.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Saturday, 2 November 2019 12:06 (eight months ago) link

seven months pass...

just leaving this here

https://www.vulture.com/2020/07/the-real-mud-on-golden-girls.html

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 July 2020 23:20 (one week ago) link

It's really wild how the only difference between a "zoomer shocked to find piece of old media problematic" clickbait article and "Northwestern professor wrestles with TV show that's been off the air for 25 years" is peppering your piece with "As epidemiologist Julia Marcus explains"

The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 2 July 2020 23:33 (one week ago) link

No surprise that a sitcom from the 80s would be full of questionable material. I think we even discussed some of its hypocritical queer affirmation above, so no need to re-litigate that; the racial stuff works much the same way (pleas for tolerance on one hand, scoring easy punchlines on the other) but Sophia's many racist/homo- and trans-phobic zings are generally shown to be embarrassing to her daughter (yes, I know, the audience still gets to laugh).

Re: the rape--the show's notorious inconsistency complicates things a little bit, I think, in that we are given so many versions of Michael's conception that it is hard to take any one of them as definitive. In the case of "he must have slipped me something," I'm willing to read this variant on the story--which generally sets up a joke about Stan's lack of sexual prowess and/or Dorothy's insecurity--as a convenient set up to a punchline ("Apparently!"). More to the point, the kind of date rape scenario proposed in this scene likely would not have been uncommon mid-twentieth-century, and would have resulted in a young woman marrying her abuser and carrying around the "shame" of it (I once had a similar combination re: Biff's attempted rape of Lorraine in Back to the Future). If it is shitty of the series to make light of this, I'd argue that there is enough pathos in Dorothy's character (and Bea Arthur's performance) that the viewer isn't unconscious of it.

A White, White Gay (cryptosicko), Thursday, 2 July 2020 23:41 (one week ago) link

i find contemporary culture full of questionable material

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 3 July 2020 01:03 (one week ago) link

Good calls, crypto. (Also, the series has tons of fat jokes and low blows about Dorothy's looks that are impossible to overlook. Still my favorite sitcom.)

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Friday, 3 July 2020 12:16 (one week ago) link


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