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is this crazy new pneumonia scaring the living bejeesus out of anyone else? they're starting to quarantine people at Australian airports because of it..

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Couple hundred in quartine in Toronto, 5 dead and 50 suspected causes at least including 5 kids.

Lets just say that riding the subway just got a lot less crowded. Its bump the war of the front page for the past week.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 01:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Any of the Toronto ILXors in quarantine? I sure hope not.

Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 01:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Started in the chinese community but cause of two cases where it spread in the hospitals (before it was identified as a new illness) its been getting around town in all communities. Two of the dead are parent and (40 year old) child.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 01:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.thestar.ca

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 01:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

I hate to say it but it only makes sense that eventually one of these superbugs would incubate and take hold in China - the scary part is that China (via frequent air travel to and from its major cities incl. HK) offers many more vectors for such a disease to take hold. It's an epidemiologist's nightmare.

That said, I am not especially frightened of SARS yet- it may be highly contagious but the death rate seems relatively tame compared to many of the other threats occupying center stage of my imagination these days.

Millar (Millar), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 01:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

i guy i worked with last week is rumoured to have it. i didn't make out with him or anything, but i'm still pretty nervous. esp. since i already have problems with the lungs.

dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 01:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

goodness, dyson!

my mother, who I'm flying home to visit in april, is trying to pursuade me to wear a surgical mask on the plane because of SARS. same mother who packed vegetables no one'd ever heard of in my lunches at daycamp, while everyone else had lunchables. kholrabi, anyone?

miriam (serrano), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 02:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

ya, my old man was flying from toronto to manchester and was looking to get one of those masks for the trip. i have no idea if he was able to find one in time. perhaps if he was flying to malaysia it might've made more sense.

dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 02:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Surgical masks = nu-duct tape?

Leee (Leee), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 04:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

nah. it's kinda hard to make underwear out of surgical masks

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 04:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't think you've even tried.

Leee (Leee), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 04:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

fair point

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 04:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Owch, I dont want to think about removing duct-tape underwear after a night out on the tiles! I mean I 'veheard of a brazilian but really...

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 04:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nah, you just wrap it so that the adhesive is facing away from your skin, and then double it back and tape over the tape, adhesive-down, so that if you sit down on something, you don't bring the chair with you when you get up.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 04:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

... or so I've heard.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 04:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

I gather it is caused by the poisoning of wells.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I changed my plane ticket from flying into HK, instead going to Kunming.

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm scared. My ex-boyfriend is flying to China in two weeks. The *nice* ex-boyfriend who I'd rather like it if he stayed alive. I can think of SO MANY ex-boyfriends I'd like to ship off to China to get a terrible disease and die, but this one I'd rather stayed healthy. :-(

kate, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

phil, please tell me you're traveling with friends who can keep an eye on you. (I'm such a mother hen, sorry.)

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

where's your ex-boyfriend going to? i'll be going from kunming, lijiang, chengdu, leshan, xi'an, shaolin [!!!], and qingdao.

oh teeny dont worry. i'll be fine. i already bought a small packet of surgical masks here in bangkok for like $2. they even have a burberry trim. ha!

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Phil, where are you staying in Bk?

chris (chris), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm getting pretty paranoid about it. I jumped off a couple of London buses today because there were Chinese tourists who looked like they'd just got off the plane from Hong Kong. Every sneeze made me freeze.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's okay, Momus, only 3-and-a-half people out of a hundred die from it. And that half-person probably wasn't doing too well in the first place.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

chris: i was staying in khao san road because it was cheap... but i couldn't stand it anymore. so i moved to this hotel on soi ngam duphli and its a total rent-boy hotel! it's hilarious, but its air conditioned, and its cheap. The Malaysia Hotel. why, are you in bangkok now?

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Phil don't make me start a thread where you have to check in once a day.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

One of my (soon to be ex) roommates is a little freaked because he teaches English in Flushing to Chinese immigrants. I've also heard that the State Department has issued some sort of travel advisory that Americans stay out of mainland China and Hong Kong, but I'm not sure if that's true.

hstencil, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Always wondered what wasn't mainland China?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Taiwan? The parts of Hong Kong that aren't Kowloon?

This prolly will kill today's rally in stock price:

"News Alert: American Airlines Plane From Asia Quarantined on Tarmac With Four Suspected Cases of Mystery Illness On Board"

hstencil, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

So, um - aren't they saying that SARD is a virus? And aren't virus' REALLY tiny? Can they get through a basic surgical mask, which (I seem to recall from somewhere) is designed to stop bacteria?

I'm am pretty upset about this whole thing - and rather disgusted that it's not getting more coverage. Of course, I've been reading all sorts of charming books about the Influenza epidemics and the various plagues that swept round the world, so maybe I'm jut oddly paranoid at the moment.

It's not surprising that stuff is arising in China, though - the proximity of humans, pigs, and chickens makes a ripe breeding ground for transmission and mutation of avian virus' to virus' that affect humans.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 18:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Taiwan isn't a seperate country?

So, um - aren't they saying that SARD is a virus?

Mutation of the common cold is the last I read. At this point I dunno, Im just trying to stay out of the way of sneezing people.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 18:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Taiwan isn't a seperate country?

Depends on who you ask.

hstencil, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 18:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Aside from China and its lackeys who doesn't accept its sovereignty?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

The U.N.?

hstencil, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

i heard on the news this morning that the first 'confirmed' case of sars has been reported in australia. a man from the uk, who had travelled to aus via singapore, and fallen ill after arriving in aus.
they showed pictures of nurses in masks 'checking' all passengers travelling through singapore airport, although they seemed to just be standing there watching people walk by with luggage.
i also wonder at the effectiveness of surgical masks against a virus, mslaura.

donna (donna), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

i also wonder at the effectiveness of surgical masks against a virus, mslaura.

Something to do with cutting back on the inhaled siliva transfered from hacking and coughing by the sick folk would be my guess.

The UN eh? Freaky. I should go poke around to see who does other then us and our southern neighbours.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

TAIWAN 4EVA U R ALL COMMIES.

Leee (Leee), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

And aren't virus' REALLY tiny? Can they get through a basic surgical mask, which (I seem to recall from somewhere) is designed to stop bacteria?

Viruses and bacteria are both individually too tiny to be stopped by any sort of typical fabric mask. The trick is this - to travel from host to host, a virus or bacteria has to ride on a droplet of moisture, like the kind that you expel in a sneeze or cough. While not a perfect defense, a simple stretch of fabric over your mouth will prevent most diseases from entering your respiratory tract. For example, if we were attacked using biological weapons, there have been tests with rodents that have proven that a double layer of T-shirt fabric held over the mouth and nose stands an extremely good chance of saving your life. As they say with the 4/4 backbeat, it's cliché for a reason.

(anecdotal remark overheard concerning these experiments: it's a bitch getting folded fabric to stay on a mouse's face)

Tracer's right too - the fatality rate is still a lot lower than some other things you can catch.

Millar (Millar), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

this is getting me excited!!! i love a challenge!!!

Steve McCroskey: Johnny, what can you make out of this?
[Hands him the weather briefing]
Johnny: This? Why, I can make a hat or a brooch or a pterodactyl -

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can think of SO MANY ex-boyfriends I'd like to ship off to China to get a terrible disease and die

the proximity of humans, pigs, and chickens makes a ripe breeding ground for transmission and mutation of avian virus' to virus' that affect humans.

lame.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

lame

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

do you have it in for me today gygax!, or what?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

are you the San Franisco of ILX()RZ or what?

:-D

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

hey does anyone do San "Franisco" FAPs? I'm up there almost every other weekend now.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm gone for the next 6 weekends...

;-D

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanks for the info, Millar - a lot of things now make more sense to me - really - I'll explain at some other point when I am more sober. But in the meantime, thank you *smile*

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 03:22 (twenty-one years ago) link


SARS = nature having a go at man/machine

mu, Wednesday, 2 April 2003 03:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Phil, no but IO was there this time last year, staying near the Nana plaza which was a bit of an eye-opener.

I just heard on the radio that the Australian government has advised it's people not to travel to HK, China , Vietnam or Laos. Take care Phil!

chris (chris), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 06:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

SARS or hacking smokers cough? I was very suspicious of the man sitting beside me on the bus this morning.

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 06:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I used to see video of Japanese subways and other public places with some people wearing surgical masks, and I thought they were nutty, Michael Jackson-esque people paranoid about soot in the air or germs from other people, then I saw a bit on TV that explained that the people wearing the masks had colds and were trying not to spread them. I felt so ashamed.

nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 06:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oof! China is going like apeshit all of a sudden. There were massive lines at the supermarkets as rumors of quarrantines are spreading like wildfire. Or at least I guess they are since I don't speak no Chinese. Rumors are abound that China will close the Beijing train station, but they have definitely cancelled the May holidays which is when every Chinese person with a spare dollar goes travelling. There are practically ZERO domestic Chinese tourists around. I mean at the Giant Panda Reserve, there was NO ONE except me, an Israeli, and 2 Japanese girls. Thai Airways cancelled all flights into/out of China. I had to bribe the PSB officer to get a visa extention - though now I'm sort of wondering what to do. I don't want to get stuck somewhere [tibet's borders are now closed], and CITS reports that no foreigners are allowed into the country as of April 26. Anyhow, I'm in Luoyang and going to Shaolin tomorrow, then either to Beijing or Shanghai - I need to get to Beijing to apply for visas, but I'm afraid they'll all be rejected for fear of SARS. Turkmenistan has closed their borders, but probably because Turkmenbashi is insane, but also because of SARS. Owell.

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 25 April 2003 11:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

What about occupied chinese East Turkestan, Mongolia, or Kazakhstan?

Ed (dali), Friday, 25 April 2003 11:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

All I know is I gots the most stylish surgical-mask. burberry trims, yo.

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 25 April 2003 11:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Head towards Lake Baikal in Siberia, it is beautiful. Almaty is worth a visit and if you can get into Usbekistan I've always wanted to see Samarkand.

Ed (dali), Friday, 25 April 2003 11:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, thats the route I was planning on taking - thru Almaty to Bishkek and Tashkent and Samarkand/Bukhara/Khiva. I'll send you a postcard if I manage to get the visas. Oh, and the GOLDEN MAN ARMOR THING is in Almaty Museum! Well, a replica, at least.

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 25 April 2003 11:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have seent he golden arour thing and it is incredible. I even bought a carpet in the lobby of the almaty museum There's some gorges not far from almaty which are one of the most incredible things I've seen, not quite sure where though since we got taken by helicopter. Make sure you see the big wintersports stadium in the hills.

Go Ulaan Bator, Irkusk, Almaty. Although I've always wanted to see Kashgar, I've no idea whats there but it holds a sort of mythical place in my immagination, as most of central asia does. Have you read the Peter Hopkirk books?

Ed (dali), Friday, 25 April 2003 11:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, I did my senior-year history papers about The Great Game. Though I got a very bad grade on it. I'm not going to Mongolia - but rather following the Silk Road from Xi'an to Kashgar via Dunhuang. But there's now a train to Kashgar, so I'm assuming its more Han Chinese than it used to be. Not that that's a bad thing [i aint no racist!]. What were you doing in Almaty? And how come you didn't make the short trip down to Samarkand? And is it expensive? And did you go to the Karkara Valley?

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 25 April 2003 11:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

I went to Almaty for a wedding, (no shit). I was only there four 5 days of which one was the wedding. the key reason I'm not shure where these gorges are is that we went there the day after the wedding and the only morning I've been more hung over was the morning of the wedding itself. I will go back and explore the region properly at some point.

Ed (dali), Friday, 25 April 2003 11:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

How are you Toronto folks? I hear nobody supposed to come visit you for a while.

Sarah Mclusky (coco), Friday, 25 April 2003 12:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm just wondering - were facemasks in vogue in the Far East before the SARS outbreak? Because if not, Hello Kitty and the like certainly got those out REALLY quickly.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 25 April 2003 12:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

In japan its always been de rigeur to wear a facemask if you are ill but still out and about.

Ed (dali), Friday, 25 April 2003 12:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

How are you Toronto folks? I hear nobody supposed to come visit you for a while.
We're fine. The WHO travel advisory against Toronto is the biggest load of horseshit since...well, who knows. Yes, there's a tiny bit of the panic here but if you look at the overall numbers here, it's still relatively minor...betwee 100 and 200 in a city of 3 million, and apparently the numbers are starting to go DOWN.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 25 April 2003 12:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

I hear the ALA covention in Toronto is being cancelled?

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm sure a lot of things in the city are being cancelled, at least in cases where a lot of people will have to fly in from elsewhere. I'm actually kind of worried that the conference I was about to attend in Chicago is going to be cancelled thanks to the fact that they're expecting a ton of people from various Asian countries. Or that Chicago will refuse to let us diseased Torontonians off the plane.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

us diseased Torontonians...

Yes, everything is normal here.

s woods, Friday, 25 April 2003 13:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Its more normal now then when it first started. Though now people are falling over in the subway all the time cause they are too scared to touch the poles.
Sadly its back to standing room only durig rush hour though.

Though between SARS and me eating a street sausage people thought I was a nut.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Aren't you? ;)

I'm trying not to get too upset on the subway...people have always come onto the subway while they're sick and coughing up a lung, that's just the joy of living in an urban centre where people rely on transit to get to work or the doctor. Unfortunately now everyone is a bit more wound up than usual and people are afraid to cough. When I eat sugar or drink beer I get a bit congested in the lungs and have to cough, even though I don't get SICK, but now I'm worried that if I go on a sugar bender people will think I'm some sort of vector. But hey, if that clears a circle around me then maybe that's not so bad.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

I havent seen surgical masks for a bit either.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

ACtually, I'm surprised about that. I take the subway to work every day in rush hour and I've yet to encounter one individual with a surgical mask. People really aren't panicked too much. I'm not sure whether we should be or not, though I think the potential is there for this to get worse. At work they're talking of putting in place a completely inane half-measure: spreading employees around (so not every cubicle will be filled; shipping some others to a diff location entirely), limiting access to elevators, closing the lunch room, etc. I mean, I think you either quarantine people or you don't.

s woods, Friday, 25 April 2003 14:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

*falls over in happy contented laughter*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

In japan its always been de rigeur to wear a facemask if you are ill but still out and about

This makes a lot of sense. Maybe it would be a good thing if this caught on here in the States, especially for people who are sick but still come in to the office. It's like "Yes, you are such a dedicated employee, but you could please not breathe when I'm around."

o. nate (onate), Friday, 25 April 2003 15:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

In japan its always been de rigeur to wear a facemask if you are ill but still out and about

i always thought that had something to do with the pollution in the area.

and as for toronto, the situation is getting blown a touch outta proportion. i mean we had our fap last week without the transmition of a single disease.
er...
ya.

dyson (dyson), Friday, 25 April 2003 16:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Great pic, Paul E!

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Friday, 25 April 2003 17:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

* Not to be confused with Paulie (Shore)

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Friday, 25 April 2003 17:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

We did sustan three spilled drinks and two bruises though.
At my office, its business as usual.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 25 April 2003 17:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can't you see the burning hate in the cat's eyes?

"I am going to claw everyone of you TO DEATH"

rosemary (rosemary), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Meh. I think it's cute. That's probably why my hands are all scratched up.

Sarah MCLusky (coco), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

four weeks pass...
Now they're saying it may be from outer space.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 23 May 2003 15:42 (twenty years ago) link

nuh uh it comes from a civet cat!

hstencil, Friday, 23 May 2003 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

Well, one scientist guy thinks it might be from outer space.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 23 May 2003 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

that dude needs to get with the program:

Masked palm civets have short fur that can be brown, orange, red or gray, with black bands on the head and feet. They eat mostly fruit, weigh up to 13 pounds and have bodies that grow up to two-and-a-half feet long, with tails of nearly equal length.

Judging from their activity and feeding habits, infected civets do not appear to feel any ill-effects from the virus. Only a small number of civets have been tested so far. Professor Yuen declined to say precisely how many, but most seemed to have the virus.

It is possible that the disease originated in another species and then spread to the civets, he said at a news conference this afternoon, while adding that he believed that the disease came to people from civets. While no tests have been done, it is also "theoretically possible" that household cats could become infected, as they are very similar biologically to civets, Professor Yuen added.

The raising and slaughter of civets and other exotic animals should be strictly regulated to prevent further outbreaks of SARS and possibly other new diseases, he said, while contending that a total ban on consumption of them could not succeed. "It is very difficult to stop a culture; it has been there for 5,000 years," he said.

hstencil, Friday, 23 May 2003 15:56 (twenty years ago) link

'Professor Wickramasinghe admits there is no hard evidence for his theory; and researchers who have been working on Sars reacted with a mixture of disbelief and ridicule.

There is nothing strange about the Sars coronavirus, they said; it certainly evolved from other known viruses.

One leading expert said Professor Wickramasinghe's letter "must be a joke"; another said it is simply ridiculous.'

surely it is the Professor's name that is the joke here?!@@

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

The best news of all is that apparently it's turned up in Toronto again (or it's suspected, anyhow). The weirdest thing about this new emergence is that it's well after the incubation period of 20 days since the last known case, and there were no obvious connections/lineage discovered as of yet. Great. Just great.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:32 (twenty years ago) link

Well Hstencil doesn't add is that the REASON the civet SARS virus tranferred to humans was because, in China, they raise civets TO EAT THEM

THEY GOT THE DISEASE BECAUSE THEY WERE EATING KITTENS DO YOU SEE?

GOD IS A TWEE BASTARD

Millar (Millar), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

Well there up to five and they think they found the link. Another hospital transmission. The problem at the moment is the one who they think is the source already had it and recouvered.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

Has nothing to do with kittens. Everybody knows it was some guy who had sex with a gay green monkey in Haiti.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:19 (twenty years ago) link

Tracer, from the UK that doesn't sound such a weird name. Probably Sri Lankan, or just maybe very south Indian.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

Aren't they closer to ferrets then kittens?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

They are cats! Does it matter? Somebody find a picture!

Millar (Millar), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:36 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.drudgereport.com/civet.jpg

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:40 (twenty years ago) link

SARS - mysterious lethal disease whose appearance is attributed to a virus spontaneously "jumping" from one species to another

AIDS - mysterious lethal disease whose appearance is attributed to a virus spontaneously "jumping" from one species to another

I need to not be so paranoid.

conspiracy theoristalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:44 (twenty years ago) link

From factmonster.com: "Civets are not true cats, but the civet family is related to the cat family (Felidae)."

j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:46 (twenty years ago) link

Glad to see the old prejudices sitll going strong.

Mary (Mary), Friday, 23 May 2003 19:33 (twenty years ago) link

What 'prejudice?' They eat cats and that's how the experts are thinking the disease was transmitted, from raising the animals and handling the meat. Whether they should or shouldn't eat civets isn't my business, true, but the facts are the facts, is all I'm saying.

I for one am massively impressed by the way knowledge and research data about this disease has travelled through the international medical community. I think the way this has been handled by the WHO etc. is nothing short of amazing, really. Look at where we years ago with regard to similar new illnesses. Like Wow.

Millar (Millar), Friday, 23 May 2003 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

Im still a bit piss about the travel advisory.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 23 May 2003 19:43 (twenty years ago) link

It's the gleeful dissmenination of the 'facts' that is distasteful.

Mary (Mary), Friday, 23 May 2003 22:45 (twenty years ago) link

oh, okay

Millar (Millar), Friday, 23 May 2003 22:49 (twenty years ago) link


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