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1) Could he be any better
2) Why did he not bring his lover to the oscars, as opposed to his mother, they both mean the same thing.
3) he was fucking robbed.

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 24 March 2003 06:08 (seventeen years ago) link

His mom brought him into the world. Lovers come and go.

I'd bring my damn mom too. . .

That Girl (thatgirl), Monday, 24 March 2003 06:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know, does he have a lover? I think he broke up with my old friend Jim. my Velvet Goldmine connection, a few years ago.

I hear he did really well at the Independant Spirit Awards, though.

Arthur (Arthur), Monday, 24 March 2003 07:39 (seventeen years ago) link

i am not sure, but i mean the whole bring yr mom code, i thot haynes was too hip for it.

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 24 March 2003 07:54 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe there's no "code" involved and he just wanted to bring his fucking mom

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 24 March 2003 09:18 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, and maybe he is selling out.

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 24 March 2003 09:23 (seventeen years ago) link

How can you ever become too hip for your mom?

I'd totally bring my mom if I ever made it to the Oscars.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Monday, 24 March 2003 09:41 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, and maybe you're being paranoid

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 24 March 2003 09:54 (seventeen years ago) link

todd haynes is brilliant, i agree he was robbed, but for my money he's not one to hide his sexuality at all. so i think it's no big deal with the mum thing. adrien brody, come he never seems to come out of the house without his mum?

jeanne picot (jeanne picot), Monday, 24 March 2003 11:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Look, if I was in the position to go to the Oscars my mom would position herself to be my plus one - OR I WOULD HAVE TO HEAR ABOUT IT FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 24 March 2003 11:16 (seventeen years ago) link

After being responsible for 'Velvet Goldmine' he should've gone in a disguise

dave q, Monday, 24 March 2003 11:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I happen to agree, and Haynes' Safe was one of my favorite movies of the '90s.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 24 March 2003 11:33 (seventeen years ago) link

my favorite quote about Velvet Goldmine comes from my then-girlfriend

Amie: [looks at watch] That was only two hours?!

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 24 March 2003 11:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I quite enjoyed following rant, though I haven't seen Far From Heaven yet and am looking forward to it. Romney liked it, FWIW.


A close friend of mine was a respected film critic for over a decade before packing it in to spend more time with her cat. While in situ, she was fascinating about the hypocrisy of her fellow preview-theatre troglodytes. She told of frequent occasions when the fraternity of critics (almost all film reviewers are male and look like badgers in glasses) had patently enjoyed a movie, only to retire and savage it in print.

I particularly remember her saying how there was an almost carnival atmosphere among the critics oogling Paul Verhoeven's kitsch go-go extravaganza Showgirls, but almost every reviewer slated the movie as offensive soft porn.

Showgirls is certainly a vulgarian's wet dream, but so is Moulin Rouge - it's just more socially acceptable (if marginally so) to like Elton John songs than to like strippers cat-fighting. If there's anything more annoying than critics being mealy-mouthed when a film's entertainment value exceeds its IQ, it's the same sages gushing over a film that has cultural pretensions but no heart. (This paper's critic, Jonathan Romney, is an exception and only recommends highly cultural works with pounds of raw heart - I just wish they weren't all set in Uzbekistan). How often have I trekked off to see a film, convinced I am about to watch a work of hitherto unimaginable cinematic genius worthy of Hitchcock, Kubrick and Bunuel rolled into one fat, beardy French uber-director, only to sit slack-jawed with disappointment at the monumental work of disengaged tedium passing before me?

So I should have known when I bunked off work to see "the best film of the year so far", "a marvel of production design", "more clever and literate than anything around", that it would be the Emperor's new turkey. Far from Heaven is director Tod Haynes' ludicrously overwrought tribute to Douglas Sirk's ludicrously overwrought Fifties' melodrama All That Heaven Allows. Haynes may have written a new screenplay, but the cast of characters and plot remains largely the same, with just a couple of updates that are supposed to be a sophisticated wink at a contemporary audience. For example, Julianne Moore's domestic goddess, Cathy, is not a widow, but the wife of a repressed homosexual, and she falls for a black, rather than a white, gardener. But it's still an utterly pointless act of retro devotion to anyone not given to musing, "Wow, that's really neat to have a closet queen in the remake, when the original starred Rock Hudson!" Furthermore, Dennis Quaid as Cathy's surly husband, Frank, is about as gay and "charming" as Billy Bob Thornton. Meanwhile Julianne Moore wafts through the autumnal haze of a master-class in cinematography (all the colours of the fall, geddit?) in startlingly full-skirted frocks, with all the period authenticity of one of those crinolined dollies you put on top of the loo roll. The LA Times wrote, "What she does with her role is so beyond the parameters of what we call great acting that it really defies categorization." Actually, it's so far beyond those parameters that it defies what I call acting. Moore is just a milky, wide-eyed canvas on which Haynes projects his stultifying lens.

And yet Far From Heaven is up for four Academy Awards, including Moore as best actress. But when you look at the films that have won best movie over recent years it all makes sense. There's American Beauty, The English Patient, Shakespeare in Love, Driving Miss Daisy, Rain Man, and The Last Emperor: scrupulously tasteful but low-cal dinner-party fodder every one - films with literary associations that make people feel sophisticated, like knowing the correct way to eat artichokes. Was there ever anything more vomit-inducing than listening to the chattering classes forcing laughter at Shakespeare in Love just to show they got the tepid jokes about Webster and Marlowe?

Over the past 21 years the only two films that have won best film and deserve to be in any sane person's DVD collection are Unforgiven and Gladiator, both of them rudely vibrant movies that know how to take a big screen by storm. Over the same time equally mesmerising classics such as Blade Runner, LA Confidential, Strictly Ballroom, Heat and The Fellowship of the Ring, failed to triumph. I am fairly certain it's because none of them was scripted, directed or remotely touched by a luvvie, such as Sir Tom Stoppard or Sam Mendes. Judging by this criterion, Sir David Hare's screenplay for The Hours should help that turgid piece of pseudo- intellectual onanism carry off the top honour this year. But I shall still hold that the year's best films were The Two Towers, Laissez Passer and The Devil's Backbone. And for those who want to see a masterpiece about the price of emotional repression in a censorious society, may I suggest Wong Kar-Wai's In the Mood for Love? If Far From Heaven is painting by numbers, In the Mood for Love is a Turner sunset.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 24 March 2003 13:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Well I hated Velvet Goldmine and Safe with a passion - but really liked Far From Heaven.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 24 March 2003 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Showgirls is certainly a vulgarian's wet dream, but so is Moulin Rouge - it's just more socially acceptable (if marginally so) to like Elton John songs than to like strippers cat-fighting.

Yay, I am a vulgarian!

Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 24 March 2003 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

You AWFUL person, Nicole! ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 March 2003 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link

"a masterpiece about the price of emotional repression in a censorious society" suggests that this Independentwriter doesn’t think the film resonates today, and "utterly pointless act of retro devotion" compounds that. Racism and homophobia are so retro! Granted, I also very much like Sirk but Far From Heaven is exquisite– and was, imho, the best American film of last year. (but , yes, "in the mood for love" was better.)

scott pl. (scott pl.), Monday, 24 March 2003 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

The key to Far From Heaven I think is that the end is not as downbeat as a Sirkian melodrama merely because we know what happened to kids of broken marriages in the fifties and sixties and that was not particularly tragic. What might have seemed in the fifties to be a crushing defeat is actually the start of her liberation, which is what the driving up the hill at the end signifies for me.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 24 March 2003 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Not all of Sirk's endings were "downbeat." All That Heaven Allows has a redemptive ending, albeit one whose abruptness might raise questions about the narrative. Written on the Wind has a tragic ending, but still allows for some hope, with Rock and Lauren at least riding away from the house that held so much misery for them. Imitation of Life is certainly a tragedy in many respects, but different critics have interpreted Sarah Jane's returning to her "family" as either a gesture of reconciliation or resignation.

So I think the ending of Far from Heaven is in keeping with the ambivalent endings of several of Sirk's melodramas.

It's a great film. Todd Haynes at the Oscars is sort of incongruous. I'm actually relieved he didn't win.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link

was everyone too sidetracked by the endless sirk references and the admittedly fantastic cinematography to notice that far from heaven was actually k-boring plotwise?

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

the most surprising thing about far from heaven was that there were absolutely NO surprises. to me, it just sort of set itself up to plod, presumably coasting on the assumption that all the self-congratulatory film-school sirk de soiling bizness would be enough

for me it kinda wasn't

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think the Sirk stuff was necessarily a "sidetrack"--it was, at least from a certain perspective, a big part of the meat of the film. Although my mother and her friend, who are not familiar with Sirk at all, managed to enjoy Haynes's film very much.

Haynes's is v. talented at making "impossible" films--films that can't really be assimilated to any one set of critical expectations, and that are necessarily frustrating for that and other reasons. They're difficult to love, in my experience. I'm still wondering if that sort of thing has a value in itself, but given how much thought I've given to Far from Heaven I suppose the answer is yes.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

v. talented at making "impossible" films--films that can't really be assimilated to any one set of critical expectations, and that are necessarily frustrating for that and other reasons

can you expand on this pls?

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Ack yes yes yes I can but can I say: "later"? I'm at work and it's not that I'm incapable of expanding, I'm just afraid of starting a little research project with so much else I should be doing.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

i still say all frame no picture

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Sometimes I suspect that as well--that the anxiety produced by the films comes more from the nature of their place in the culture (i.e. a 50s melodrama made in 2002), the debates they stir up, (ie. the FRAME) than by the content. But Far from Heaven was a beautifully-made picture; perhaps he didn't have every aspect of Sirk's style down pat, but the reconstruction was more complete than any other filmmaker could probably hope to achieve. The question is whether the "beautifully-made picture" and the anxious object have a meaningful relationship with each other.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Why my suspicions are usually quieted: Hayne's genuine talent as a filmmaker, and not just a "technical" sort of talent. In Safe, when Peter is talking to Carol and suddenly points to a coyote off at the foot of the mountains--the hard cut to the coyote is completely charged. I wish there were more moments like this one in his films, but they're there.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Last I heard (as of a few months ago), he doesn't have a lover -- not the sort you'd bring to the Oscars, anyways. So now's your chance, Anthony.

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

my anxiety stemmed from the fact that it was a 50s throwback sirk-style done seemingly for its own sake

hollow meta levels

i think i'd rather see a douglas sirk film in 2002.

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 24 March 2003 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...
Spotted: A guy wearing purple eyeshadow, mint green iridescent leather trenchcoat, jeans, and light blue sequined gaiters over black cowboy boots bicycling across the intersection of Park Anenue and 57th Street. He brought a little Velvet Goldmine into our lives today.

felicity (felicity), Friday, 7 November 2003 21:19 (sixteen years ago) link

in the names of continuity and hypertextuality:

Superstar: The Karen Carpenter Story: classic or what?

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 7 November 2003 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
apparently beyonce is 'to play bob dylan' in haynes' newie. play fuckin loud.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:13 (fifteen years ago) link

All of a sudden I'm interested in Bob Dylan.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:19 (fifteen years ago) link

i heart todd h.

far from heaven wz a bit of a slog tho

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:36 (fifteen years ago) link

part of me wants a zim biopic, but only if it stuck to the good bits (64-6). that would be incredible, or could be. the problem with the ali film was it kind of replicated the docs that already existed, and i guess that might be why they are taking a roundabout route to biopicking bob. who knows. maybe beyonce will shine.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:41 (fifteen years ago) link

I would think Blood on the Tracks era would make a better film ... oh wait: Renaldo & Clara

Silky Sensor (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link

Is it Beyonce for sure? Here's a report that a friend of mine e-mailed me the other day:

Bob Dylan has given permission to a Hollywood studio to make a film about his life and will be portrayed by seven actors - one of them a black woman reports The Times Online.

Todd Haynes confirmed last week that he is searching for a woman who can do justice to the short white Jewish singer's "inner blackness". The seven will play Dylan during different eras in his 43-year career, starting in the 1960s when his song "The Times They Are A-Changin'" turned into an anti-war anthem. Costing £30m, the film is due for release next year under the title "I'm Not There: Suppositions on a Film Concerning Dylan".

It is traditional in films spanning a lifetime for characters to be played by more than one actor, but rarer for them to change sex or race. Haynes is considering actresses ranging from pop singer Beyoncé Knowles to tennis champion Venus Williams and the one and only Oprah Winfrey.

I'm really curious about this. Like Ned, I could care less about Dylan's music, but I do think he's a pretty compelling personality and icon.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:58 (fifteen years ago) link

if they film any of this in MN i will definitely go to rubberneck.

f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:59 (fifteen years ago) link

He does a bang-up job interviewing Van Sant on the new Pvt Idaho DVD.

Far From Heaven seems to work best on people who recognize top-flight pastiches can unleash emotions, like Magnetic Fields' 69 Love Songs.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:03 (fifteen years ago) link

please let it be Beyonce.

ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:11 (fifteen years ago) link

im v. v. v. excited about the new one, even more if it is oprah

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:14 (fifteen years ago) link

i could definitely go for of those buttercrackers with some cream cheese right now.

ie am hungry., Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:16 (fifteen years ago) link

oh wait.

yes, beyonce. what a terrible idea. it is a pointless, and obscene, gimmick.

i am still hungery., Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:17 (fifteen years ago) link

he is the only one who can convert well-learned "film theory" into an actual real unexpected film, i think: i guess i felt w.far from heaven that he confused his fondness for sirk with studious reverence for "sirk theory" and never shimmied out of that overcareful trap --- less mise-en-scene than mise-en-prison

(but if you swap sirk for glam, and VG for FFH, i wd probably be defendin it, so maybe it's just that i'm not really THAT big on sirk myself)

the person i wz with - unrepentent sexual pirate and general tomboy activist - knew nothing abt sirk or sirk theory and wz emotionally overwhelmed, except in a bad way: we had to go straight to a gay bar after and have several drinks

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:22 (fifteen years ago) link

I think liking Far From Heaven hinges heavily on liking Sirk (which I do luckily.)

I'd rather he get Venus Williams (or Lisa Leslie) than Beyonce though!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:35 (fifteen years ago) link

oprah would be more interesting. beyonce is too robotic.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:40 (fifteen years ago) link

one of the answers in today's nytimes crossword is "okra winfrey"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:41 (fifteen years ago) link

you can't BE "too robotic"!!

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:42 (fifteen years ago) link


jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Fair enough. You, actors. Me, soundtracks.

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Friday, 20 October 2017 19:11 (two years ago) link

I assume Alfred's whimsy comment was aimed at the new one, not Carol.

I like or love most of Haynes' movies, but the source material for this one makes me skeptical. I didn't like Hugo, so reviews saying either "It's as good as Hugo" or "It's not as good as Hugo" don't do anything for me.

Dargis in the NYT thought it was pitched primarily at adults.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 October 2017 19:39 (two years ago) link

idk what to think after the trailer tbh

I tend to love Haynes when he's focused on music, less so on other topics but I did like Far From Heaven and Safe

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 October 2017 19:41 (two years ago) link

def doesn't look like something that would interest children imo

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 October 2017 19:41 (two years ago) link

I referred to the new one. The kids are better than the horrors in The FLorida Project though.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 October 2017 19:58 (two years ago) link

Give it a rest already.

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Friday, 20 October 2017 20:02 (two years ago) link

I referred to the new one. The kids are better than the horrors in The FLorida Project though.

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, October 20, 2017 12:58 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ah sorry for misrepresenting you alfred

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 20 October 2017 20:03 (two years ago) link

Carol could have done with some whimsey.

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Friday, 20 October 2017 20:35 (two years ago) link

Give it a rest already.

― Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Friday, October 20, 201

Someone likes Florida!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 October 2017 20:46 (two years ago) link

Except some people.

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Friday, 20 October 2017 20:58 (two years ago) link

Carol was boring af

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Sunday, 22 October 2017 03:26 (two years ago) link

I didn't think Carol (or Far From Heaven) was boring as much as straitjacketed by good taste and period detail. As for Wonderstruck, I will say that its period settings didn't strike me as nearly so restrictive. And I found the musical settings to be an exercise in obviousness, which I assume means it will get its only Oscar nomination in one of the sound categories.

Virulent Is the Word for Julia (, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 02:27 (two years ago) link

Yeah, Wonderstruck is pretty boring. Moreso than Carol, even.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 October 2017 19:36 (two years ago) link

I was restless.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 October 2017 19:47 (two years ago) link

No floor to mop or furniture to Pledge either!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 October 2017 19:48 (two years ago) link

used '70s Manhattan as a theme park, too

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 October 2017 19:51 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Next up this fall... don't think I knew about it?

Seems like a prosaic social-issue variant on Safe.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 15:29 (eleven months ago) link

. It was adapted most recently by Mario Correa and first writer Matthew Michael Carnahan from Nathaniel Rich’s New York Times Magazine article, “The Lawyer Who Became DuPont’s Worst Nightmare.”

Anne Hathaway stars opposite Ruffalo as Biliott’s wife, Sarah; she’s also the star of “The Last Thing He Wanted,” which Rees and Marco Villalobos adapted from the 1997 Joan Didion novel.

I'm quite confused.

Funky Isolations (jed_), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 16:45 (eleven months ago) link

they are referring to another non-Haynes film in the can

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 16:51 (eleven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

yes it is a Haynes film

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 19:36 (ten months ago) link

oh damn!

sarahell, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 19:44 (ten months ago) link

Kind of like when Mann did The Insider and moved past his crime-genre limitations while keeping his strengths.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 19:53 (ten months ago) link

Gus Van Sant did an enviro drama what, 2 years ago?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 19:57 (ten months ago) link

I love Haynes but this looks p boring

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 20:28 (ten months ago) link

one month passes...

I like this one more than Carol or Wonderstruck. It works.

also fuck Dupont and their former senator the Frontrunner

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 04:30 (nine months ago) link

welp I guess I just learned this movie exists!

Simon H., Tuesday, 12 November 2019 05:06 (nine months ago) link

What differentiates this one from Promised Land?

temporarily embarrassed thousandaire (Eric H.), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 13:15 (nine months ago) link

dunno, didn't see that one

subject matter is not the end-all though... there certainly are echoes of Safe.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 13:25 (nine months ago) link

superb Ed Lachman cinematography as always, a frequently icy blue palette

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 15:28 (nine months ago) link

DARK WATERS (Haynes, 2019)

— gina telaroli (@GinaTelaroli) November 12, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 13:26 (nine months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Dug it. Like Morbs says, super cinematography And careful accurate design overall but never exaggerating late-90s Cincinnati style.

Agree withEdelstein:

If meanly-clad-little-David-versus-venomous-corporate-Goliath melodramas like Todd Haynes’s fact-based Dark Waters are more alike than unalike, it’s because there’s really only one way to frame what happens every day in a country controlled by companies with vast coffers, armies of lobbyists, and politicians leased by the year.

... (Eazy), Monday, 2 December 2019 04:13 (eight months ago) link

ppl who handwave at this somehow think Parasite says "more"

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 December 2019 04:43 (eight months ago) link

How does the speed change things for you, on the filmmaking end?

It's not my preferred method, but we just went there. And we went to these places and we surrounded ourselves with these people, and we just sucked everything out that we could from their stories and their experiences in their homes, in their living rooms, the documents that each of them hung on to through the course of the story. We shot in the law firm itself in Downtown Cincinnati and we shot in the Netherland Hilton, where they really had these annual black tie events. We shot at the Queen City Club, where Victor Garber was first introduced and makes the speech praising DuPont.

We were right inside all of this. It was pretty insane because it puts you in the visual landscape and the spatial landscape. Space is a really important part of these kinds of movies, the sense of individuals alienated within corporate spaces, public spaces, domestic spaces. That became apparent and literalized by the story itself, where he's literally walled in by the boxes of discovery that he finally shakes loose from DuPont.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 15:59 (eight months ago) link

Ed Lachman not bothering to conceal his annoyance while explaining why DARK WATERS is the first all-digital Haynes feature

— Vadim Rizov (@vrizov) December 3, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 02:29 (eight months ago) link

I thought Carol was really beautiful visually, wonder how this one compares

Dan S, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 02:52 (eight months ago) link

This was fine as far as corporate malfeasance films go, not as gripping as Erin Brockovich or Norma Rae but better than A Civil Action. The cinematography made the lineage between this and Safe explicit.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 December 2019 19:09 (eight months ago) link


Haynes turning his eye for the voluptuous towards the grotesque and depressing? That’s how you shore up the conscience of the American movie goer. You make the comfort of wealth look sad and the hell of government mandated poverty un-Romantic

— Scout Tafoya (@Honors_Zombie) December 9, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 December 2019 21:04 (eight months ago) link

good stuff. i'm looking forward to seeing this one.

ingredience (map), Monday, 9 December 2019 21:18 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

It's a film I love reading about and admire but didn't much like while watching it.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 January 2020 21:43 (seven months ago) link

Dark Waters is playing here for a couple of nights next week--looking forward to it. The China Syndrome is my gold standard for mainstream rabble-rousing; also liked Night Moves and The Promised Land more recently.

clemenza, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 02:35 (six months ago) link

I should have mentioned Michael Apted's Class Action in the post above. Haynes may acknowledge it in Dark Waters when DuPont buries Ruffalo's lawyer in an avalanche of discovery documents.

I thought DW was pretty good, though less than what I was hoping for. I'm sure I would have liked it more if I hadn't lost 20% of the dialogue--even accounting for my poor hearing, I'm sure they didn't have the sound loud enough. (A kind of makeshift rep theatre.) I was surprised Anne Hathaway took the proverbial suffering-wife role. She was hardly in the film for the first half; she got more screen time after that, but it still seemed like a part for a less established actress. Maybe she just felt strongly about the subject.

clemenza, Friday, 31 January 2020 01:06 (six months ago) link

her scenes were p strong tho, idk more meat to it than *just* the suffering wife, plus that neglectfulness of his family coming out in the 3rd out really showed his sacrifice, good movie

johnny crunch, Sunday, 2 February 2020 23:01 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

Watched Safe last night for the first time since it came out. It kind of went past me at the time--I think I got it (being allergic to the 20th century was a great concept), but, I don't know, it just wasn't my kind of film. I was hoping, of course, it would have special resonance right now.

It did, to a degree; thought the last half was strong. So while I still think its placement high on decade-end lists is overstating it, I was a lot more receptive to it.

clemenza, Friday, 27 March 2020 19:51 (four months ago) link

I've not had a second viewing, but I think minority views are often important to consider

Rewatch of DARK WATERS confirms flat out masterpiece status. Every shot just a deliberate choice of economic filmmaking, didacticism barely apparent, even Hathaway felt necessary and good. God how’d we let this one get away.

— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) April 5, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 5 April 2020 17:19 (four months ago) link

I still have my screener; I may give it another go this week, especially after my parents told me casually on the phone on Friday that they loved it (!).

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 April 2020 17:30 (four months ago) link

I've still only seen it once too, but--allowing for an audio issue I mentioned above; I missed some of what she said later in the film--I disagree about Anne Hathaway. I did think it was a good-looking film.

clemenza, Sunday, 5 April 2020 19:29 (four months ago) link

I think it was terrifically shot, at least in the long shots of buildings, cities, offices, etc.

I share the doubts about Hathaway, who seemed to have accepted an oddly minor part.

I like the film overall.

the pinefox, Monday, 6 April 2020 11:02 (four months ago) link

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