Is the work of Steven Soderbergh the most overrated thing ever?

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The man makes me SICK.

George Clooney, butt naked, eating noodles. This must stop.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:48 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Solaris is the Kid A of films. make of that what you will.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:54 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

that film suxors

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:56 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Oceans Eleven was good, as well as Traffic. Thats about it.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:56 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

The Limey's pretty good too. Traffic - mehh.

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:57 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

George Clooney, butt naked, eating noodles.

You wouldn't be complaining if it had been Julia Roberts.

Wintermute (Wintermute), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:58 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Julia Roberts and her bird tits. I think she is ugly.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:58 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I really liked "Traffic", and you must understand the magnitude of my Michael Douglas hatred to understand how amazing that admission is.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:59 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Sex, lies, And videotape - dull, nonsensical, phoney, talky. If only someone had said something way back then...

Julia Roberts...meh. Julia Louis-Drefyus in her birthday suit with a bowl of chicken soup and matzoh balls...now we're talking.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:59 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Traffic was super-hokey! And dumb too: like the fuckin' DEA's gonna put an important witness up in a shitty hotel AND not screen his food AND walk him around in public.

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:01 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry, Stencil, but the Limey is clearly ridiculous, and was clearly a dry run for Don Cheadle's unforgiveable crimes in Ocean's Eleven. And now they're going to do Ocean's Twelve. God help us, The Core suddenly looks like a work of genius.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:01 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Soderbergh roXor.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:02 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

The Limey totally kicks ass and everyone should see it. It abandons any pretension or whatever that fogs up a lot of the other Soderbergh films. It also is nothing like Oceans Eleven. It's a lot more straightforward/less ridiculous/and actually more fun (sorry that punctuation doesn't make sense). Though I liked Traffic too.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:03 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

but the Limey is clearly ridiculous

How so?

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:04 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

erin brockovich was on c5 last night

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:05 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

(I think The Limey is his worst film. But just because Terrance STamp's accent is crap - and Get Carter is better).

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:05 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Sex, lies, and videotape is a very sexy movie (if you're into James Spader, which I am - I mean, which I would be if I didn't have such a great bf...).

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:08 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

is terrence stamp's accent worse than albert finney's?

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:08 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i did like the limey and oceans 11 and out of sight.

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:10 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Out Of Sight is his best. the least talky, the least silly, the most human. (probably elmore leanord takes more credit for this than does soderbergh) Erin Brockovich is nearly as good except it forgot to have a story.
The Limey, sex lies..., Traffic, all ridiculous but entertaining.
Ocean's 11 nonsense.
haven't seen his weird lo-fi films...

pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:13 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Out of Sight is wonderful, the rest I find rather meh. I would kind of like Sex, lies and videotape except for the McDowell factor.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:17 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

erin brockovich has too much story!!

(i enjoyed it mainly bcz i discovered that my friend nic totally looks like julia roberts as she in in this movie, and i never noticed in real life: so basically for me it wz all abt how my friend nic worked her butt off in skanky too-tight clothes to win all these foax in a small US town lots of deserved money for being poisoned by THE MAN)

(probbly the best bit is, if i told nic she looks like JR in EB, she wd doubtless punch me in the mouth!!)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:19 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Apptly everything in Mexico is really washed out and yellow. Who knew?

(the orig Traffik is great)

(and wasn't EB, well, a lie [ie company not found liable but settled and lawyers got all the money anyway or some such thing]?)

g.cannon (gcannon), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:22 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Stamp's is worse than Finney's: he is trying to do a cockernee accent. Really badly.

What Ilike about him is his workman like attitude to film-making.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:24 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

He is a genius for Schizopolis alone.

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:26 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

well in the movie they settle instead of going to court, and EB gets a lot of money herself (two million out of 33 million?)

haha in fargo it says "based on a true story" and ppl said "is it?" and they said "no" and ppl said "you can't do that!!" and they said "why not? it's fiction ie not true so that includes the phrase 'based on a true story'"

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:26 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i recorded kafka off TV and when i watched it back it was like two hours of pitch black

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:27 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I've had this raging antipathy towards Soderbergh ever since Sex, Lies and Videotape, and I don't see it abating anytime soon.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:27 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Also it could be based on a true story,. the only thing they changed is the story. Double ha.

Pitch Black was great too. I hadn't noticed the connexion befor but that and Kafka have a lot in common. King Of The Hill is grebt.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:28 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

(didn't see EB btw, I can barely stand Julia Roberts)

g.cannon (gcannon), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:44 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

ok but what do you think of my friend nic?

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:13 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Is she brittle and boring or does she have a noble nose and perfect choppers?

g.cannon (gcannon), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:29 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I think people like that he sustains new wave-esque tics (="Hi, critics, I'm here!") in commercial contexts. That said I've enjoyed all of his films--the ones I've seen-- to one degree or another.

I suspect Traffic will be unwatchable in a few decades. It's like Stanley Kramer + Alan Pakula.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:29 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I don't think he's made a bad movie. My two faves: Out of Sight (a stone-cold classic) and EB (which is a smart, fun populist kinda flick -- basically The Firm without the way-too-obvious dramatic tropes)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:37 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I couldn't see what all the fuss was about Out of Sight. Can't remember a thing about it -- there was a scene in the boot of a car.

Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:38 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Out of Sight is a very slick action movie without much action. Beautifully shot, Clooney's totally loveable, as is J Lo. Their sex scene = one of my favorite scenes in any movie ever.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:41 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I've watched it at least seven times and it keeps getting better.

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:49 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Agreed. I've watched it way more than seven times. My old ritual was to watch maybe a half-hour of a movie as I fell asleep each night. The rotation consisted of three movies: Out of Sight, Bottle Rocket and the completely terrible but amazingly watchable Rounders. I love each of them...

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:56 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

He's alright, I like the cinematography in his films especially.

He ain't no Terry Gilliam though.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

_Erin Brockovich_ is at best, a TV-movie-of-the-week starring Julia Roberts. Utterly overrated.

Didn't have the heart to go see _Solaris_, myself.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:14 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I don't hate him...yet, but I do think he's a pompous guy (that whole actors-sign-my-authenticity-contract thing is hysterical). Traffic was a'ight, but the POINTLESS CELEBRITY CAMEOS like Selma Hayek and Benjamin Bratt reaffirm the tre Hollywood quality of it all. Out Of Sight is easily my fave. EVERYBODY involved had something to prove.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:17 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Did anyone see Full Frontal? I will never go anywhere near it, so perhaps someone can provide a precis? It looked to be insufferably self-congratulatory.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:09 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Soderbergh is a hack, but an interesting hack that can at least competently direct a movie, assuming that the source material is strong enough. Ultra-classic alone for The Underneath, King Of The Hill(am I the only person in the world that saw this?), and Out Of Sight. Since then he's been coasting...

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:49 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Chris, can you define "hack"? (serious question)

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:50 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Is King of the Hill the one about the kids who are living by themselves after their parents die or something? I have vague memories of seeing this in the theater with my sister when we were like 15 and 12 or something. I had no clue that was Soderberg.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:50 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

As Pete said upthread, King of the Hill is great. Lauryn Hill is in it, and so is that Adrien Brody guy.

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:19 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

He's a hack in that he's largely given up on developing his own material. Three of his last four movies are remakes of earlier films and his next film is sequel to one of the remakes. His one "experimental" film in there Full Frontal was basically a throwaway film calculated to maintain his film geek cred.

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 21:15 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

A hack is a director who doesn't write his own scripts?

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 21:19 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

(Oh, Cahiers, what have you wrought?)

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 21:19 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Chris's distinction is between 'developing something that's a new script, say with a chosen/trusted screenwriter' and 'simply remaking a previous film/TV show/etc.'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 21:21 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

You write that as if it makes sense...

Frederik B, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 21:25 (one year ago) Permalink

Who wouldn't?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 00:30 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Impressive, at least for a while--up to the first long rubber-room scene--although I was very conscious of all the films it was stealing from: Cuckoo's Next (serendipitous I would see it today), Repulsion, Rosemary's Baby (probably The Tenant, too, which I haven't seen in ages), Get Out, Shock Corridor. I know Soderbergh's proximity to commercial success and getting-films-made has had some wild swings over the years--this is all some metaphor for the film industry, right?

clemenza, Sunday, 15 April 2018 03:23 (one year ago) Permalink

the climax/coda seemed really haphazard, as if a narrative theme was dropped back in after the fact because someone remembered that angle wasn’t addressed, or there wasn’t a good ending they’d filmed

alvin noto (mh), Sunday, 15 April 2018 03:33 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

the extreme horizontality of ocean's twelve is a delight to me

j., Saturday, 23 June 2018 09:15 (nine months ago) Permalink

not a single scene above ground level iirc

topless from 11am (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 23 June 2018 12:54 (nine months ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

His new one seems to perhaps be Magic Mike for basketball

https://www.filmlinc.org/films/high-flying-bird/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:04 (two months ago) Permalink

He was on Bill Simmons' podcast and called out Under The Skin as a recent movie that he wished he had made, prompting me to finally watch that freaky-ass movie.

DJI, Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:08 (two months ago) Permalink

It's good!

watched Out of Sight as a family last night, everyone enjoyed it.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:22 (two months ago) Permalink

yea bill smartly said almost nothing other than like "surprising answer!" as he clearly had no idea what sodes was talking abt

johnny crunch, Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:24 (two months ago) Permalink

https://deadline.com/2019/01/steven-soderbergh-sundance-slamdance-icon-interview-1202544513/

I found this to be a pretty excellent, lengthy interview.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:47 (two months ago) Permalink

of all the people I have interviewed over the years, he was up there with the smartest and most interesting. sort of an eno-esque polymath.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:52 (two months ago) Permalink

It's really good! By the writer of Moonlight (and it's a better film).

I sat in the row in front of Bill Duke, who has a golden supporting role. SS and Kyle Maclachlan, among others, were in the back but were not part of the Q&A.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 February 2019 04:19 (two months ago) Permalink

MacLachlan + Sodes is a deeply satisfying pairing

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Friday, 8 February 2019 04:20 (two months ago) Permalink

he has a scene-stealing moment in the steamroom

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 February 2019 04:23 (two months ago) Permalink

btw if you are not a sports fan, fear not, there is very close to zero playing of basketball in this film

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 February 2019 04:31 (two months ago) Permalink

news I can use

The Very Fugly Caterpillar (sic), Friday, 8 February 2019 04:59 (two months ago) Permalink

opens today in NY/LA (looks great), streams on Netflix

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 February 2019 11:10 (two months ago) Permalink

I would have happily watched a whole series of this but liked it just fine as a film. I like all other non sports knowerrs immediately googled the Edwards book the second it was over. Sodes is really good at that wholeclever-but-not-annoying thing.

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Saturday, 9 February 2019 03:56 (two months ago) Permalink

soderbergh gives so many interviews, he's such a constant presence on social media, etc., and he's such an interesting guy to listen to, that i feel like his movies and TV series are just one (important) part of this ongoing "brand" he puts out there.

he seems like one of those guys who isn't just a workaholic, he just has a fundamentally more active pituitary gland or something, like he's just "on" all the time, always sharp and focused and productive. i had a professor like that. it's amazing.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:10 (two months ago) Permalink

This was good. The script was in some places beautiful, and Andre Holland was ideally cast.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:11 (two months ago) Permalink

I loved Bill Duke in this a lot

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:12 (two months ago) Permalink

The women were terrific.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:20 (two months ago) Permalink

"prosperity gospel" talk suitably skin-crawling

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:38 (two months ago) Permalink

He always seems consciously invested in honing his own skills even when it means trying new variations that don’t quite work, and notably doing so without just throwing bottomless money at things until they pass a focus group

I don’t know that I’ve read more than a couple interviews and have never noticed a social media presence!

mh, Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:43 (two months ago) Permalink

https://twitter.com/bitchuation

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:57 (two months ago) Permalink

This is something else.

Norm’s Superego (silby), Saturday, 9 February 2019 06:49 (two months ago) Permalink

10 tweets in a year is not what I wld call a “constant presence on social media”

The Very Fugly Caterpillar (sic), Saturday, 9 February 2019 07:31 (two months ago) Permalink

Holland said that Soderbergh showed them Sweet Smell of Success.

I didn't know Zazie Beetz or Sonja Sohn from their TV work, both fine especially the latter.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 9 February 2019 14:13 (two months ago) Permalink

I think you would like Atlanta.

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Saturday, 9 February 2019 14:14 (two months ago) Permalink

for a while I thought Sonja Sohn was Angela Bassett; her voice has the same timbre.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 9 February 2019 14:16 (two months ago) Permalink

I think everyone would like Atlanta.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 9 February 2019 14:17 (two months ago) Permalink

I want to see Atlanta! It's taking me over a year to get through Twin Peaks 2.0.

I recognized Harry Edwards as a go-to talking head on race in American sports for decades, but wasn't aware he helped bring about the '68 Olympics protest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Project_for_Human_Rights

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 9 February 2019 14:20 (two months ago) Permalink

zazie beetz -- how wonderful is it that this is her real name? if philip roth gave a character this name, reviewers would be rolling their eyes. she's lovely btw.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Sunday, 10 February 2019 18:52 (two months ago) Permalink

news I can use

half an hour to go because I was dozing on painkillers the first time and rewatched to catch up, but the tiny bits of basketball are easier to follow than every single other thing about the NBA's contracts and "lockouts" and tactics tbh

and it looks great. the sort-of-flat field is integrated into his approach, with the flexibility of "camera" placement turning that into a somehow bombastic yet intimate visual. Unsane felt more like an experiment, technically, but here he's obviously freestyling wildly with setups and movement and tracking/panning that you can't do with a camera*, yet it's servicing an overall controlled, mannered feel.

*or can do in seconds in situ vs production designing, building, lighting, etc - like the conversation btwn Ray and Sonja Sohn in the bar that's shot from behind the glasses of cherries and twists

remembering I still have** 2/3 of Mosaic left to watch, because a) I loathe watching stories on a phone and b) Sharon Stone went on WTF a few days after I started watching and talked about the ending of this 18-part-plus-other-stuff story, is the work of Steven Soderbergh the most existing thing ever, for a "film director"? Woody Allen has written & directed 47 features in 48 years, plus acting in things and writing other stuff. Studio system and b-movie directors could crack out a couple of features in a year, but very rarely wrote them. (TV directors can turn out 15 hours in a year that shows their style, or more on soaps, but never (?) as writers-directors.)

In Soderbergh's first 24 years as a narrative film director, he made 23 features as director (one of them 4.5 hours long and later released as two), only wrote five of them, but wrote two features with / for other directors, wrote and directed two shorts (one half-hour narrative, one 4-minute artier thing), directed-from-existing-material a feature Spalding Gray doco, directed a feature of a Spalding Gray performance, DPed 16 of his features and one short, edited 11 of the features and both shorts, directed two half-hour stories for television, directed/shot/edited a ten-episode season of TV, and produced half a dozen features for other directors. (Not counting "executive producing.")

In the three years he was "retired" from features, he directed/shot/edited two ten-hour seasons of television, and shot/camera operated/edited one feature (his best film, obv).

In the three years since unretiring, he's directed/shot/edited three features, produced another one, and directed/shot/edited a (let's call it) 18-part, 8-hour branching narrative.

Plus he's going home at night and editing 2001 or his friends' unfinished films for fun! Just adding up by minutes, has anyone else come close?



** oh it turns out the app was decommissioned a few days ago, go fuck yourself HBO

The Very Fugly Caterpillar (sic), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 22:32 (two months ago) Permalink

easier to follow than every single other thing about

lol that the minute I picked back up again, the NBA stuff immediately became a metaphor for Soderbergh's experiments with and failures in self-distribution

The Very Fugly Caterpillar (sic), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 18:34 (two months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Erin Brockovich is very well made, and thank God he hasn't made another like it. It's a Julia Roberts superhero movie; no wonder you poptimists love it. Ed Lachman (dp) and Anne Coates (edit) better than Roberts and Finney.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 13:54 (yesterday) Permalink

High Flying Bird is very well made popular entertainment, and thank God he made it.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:05 (yesterday) Permalink

Labor drama that skips the basketball? Not *that* pop.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:07 (yesterday) Permalink

Looooooove High Flying Bird. iPhone populism 4ever!

Frederik B, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:24 (yesterday) Permalink

Zach Lewis on EB:

The most quotable line from the film is a response to Ed’s questioning of her prerogative power: “They’re called boobs, Ed.” This would almost devise a problem for Brockovich, posturing her as the archetype of troubled-past sexual-aggression that weakly traverses the narrative as a feminist conclusion without an argument. Instead, Roberts’s archetype, purportedly funneled from the “golden-hearted hooker” character from Pretty Woman, embodies sassiness as a confident hallmark, using it when necessary and as a subversive atmosphere when not. As the case accelerates, Ed calls in a big-city law team to handle the formalities; Brockovich is furious as she feels that she maintains legitimate ownership of the case and that the people of Hinkley will not respond to formal tactics. Her curvy outfits disrupt their expectations as she vocally lists phone numbers and complicated personal information of various clients from memory, solidifying herself as the case’s paramount authority. While Soderbergh places keen adjustments to a well-known paradigm, the film ultimately becomes lost in a motherly sentimentality, making Brockovich a messiah figure for the residents for the residents of Hinkley sans unconditional love; her emphasized “I just want to be a good mom” monologue in the beginning now appropriated for the cancer and disease-ridden town. It is a nice gesture and a definitive comment on the parent/career dilemma, but it is troublesome to accept given Roberts’s previous performance of a woman whose life has finally been given purpose via her career. Her reconnection with her kids at the end of the film also suffers; they accept her social-ladder-climbing by relating to the sick kids with whom she is actually spending time — no real catharsis, just narrative happy-ending excuse, an emotional deus ex machina.

https://www.popoptiq.com/erin-brockovich-investigates-the-power-of-performance/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:40 (yesterday) Permalink

Traffic is failed agitprop. I was one of those guys fooled for a few weeks into thinking the fun Erin Brockovich was the less 'serious' film.

The question is, how much 'fun' should a film with people dying of cancer via corporate malfeasance at the center be?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:47 (yesterday) Permalink

Erin Brockovich is very well made, and thank God he hasn't made another like it. It's a Julia Roberts superhero movie; no wonder you poptimists love it.

yeah stfu you poptimists

erin brockovich was on c5 last night

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:05 AM (sixteen years ago)

Erin Brockovich is nearly as good except it forgot to have a story.

― pete b. (pete b.), Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:13 AM (sixteen years ago)

erin brockovich has too much story!!

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:19 AM (sixteen years ago)

_Erin Brockovich_ is at best, a TV-movie-of-the-week starring Julia Roberts. Utterly overrated.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:14 AM (sixteen years ago)

Erin Brockovich [...] is really weak though and Full Frontal is one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:00 AM (fourteen years ago)

blokes you can't rust (sic), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:19 (yesterday) Permalink

the subsequent eleven years of approving posts are all from dedicated superhero movie fan Alfred, so fair enough

blokes you can't rust (sic), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:20 (yesterday) Permalink

he likes certain kinds, see also Hoffman as Tootsie

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:31 (yesterday) Permalink

so then EB is as fraught as any well-made Hollywood product

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:41 (yesterday) Permalink

also Brockovich has one of THOSE Thomas Newman scores. Does he still get work?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:49 (yesterday) Permalink

I've more of a problem with the script's caricature of a female lawyer. Every one of those scenes is a cringe.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:50 (yesterday) Permalink

Yeah... particularly strange as it was from a female screenwriter. (Check her subsequent credits to confirm that the script is the Achilles heel of this, abetted by Star Syndrome.)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:55 (yesterday) Permalink


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