Classic Don Cherry

guessing that he'd have survived if he'd been willing to apologize

Incidentally, I'm puzzled as to why this report leaves out his words "you people that come here", which seems key to making his meaning plain.

This report also does the same thing:
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/don-cherry-fired-coaches-corner-1.5355764

His defence is a little puzzling, though:

"I did not say minorities, I did not say immigrants. If you watch Coach's Corner, I did not say that. I said 'everybody.' And I said 'you people,"' Cherry said.

"Irish, Scotch, anybody that's newcomers to Canada, and they should wear a poppy to honour our dead from the past, whether they're Scotch or Irish or English, or where they come from."

He did say "you people that come here" and did single out Mississauga and downtown Toronto vs "the smaller cities" (and "you people" is by definition distinct from an "everybody" that includes the speaker) so... he could have been talking about Anglo-Saxon and Celtic immigrants but how would he know from looking at non-poppy wearers in Toronto whether they were immigrants or not, unless he was just going by race?

"You love our way of life, you love our milk and honey"... how often in the 21st century are white immigrants from England talked about in those terms?

yeah, never.

im an immigrant to canada and I'm obviously not addressed by don cherry's rant because i come from the uk and my skin is pasty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sExSTLqpNoU

He did specifically say 'Scotch', though. All bases covered.

if only he could be fired again!

Point taken, sorry, let me withdraw that. I was trying to account for the sense that he was specifically targeting racial minorities, but yeah, his comment definitely does cover immigrants in general.

I don't think you were wrong.

Also the obvious point that Don is missing is that saying immigrants are greedy people who hate veterans isnt less offensive if it includes "everyobdy"

I've once been asked, as a test of my commitment to the federation, whether I'd be willing to DIE for Canada if a major war were to break out. Because every Canadian who wasn't born abroad would surely give their life up for it, by default.

(It does need to be said that this 'serious concern' was raised by a Frenchman who is 'uncomfortable' with the notion of dual citizenship.)

lol

i don't really fancy dying for the nation state i was born in so I'm not sure it'll be incumbent on me to die for canada when i bother to get my citizenship sorted

I die for Canada every winter day.

It's about as sound as the 19th century French doctor Prosper Lucas's Theory of Impregnation, which posits that a woman's first lover is bound to leave an indelible, biological mark upon her. So much so, in fact, that if she goes on to have children with another man, her offspring will ultimately resemble her first lover.

Also I never have a loonie for a poppy and where do you buy them nowadays? I always got mine at the hospital.

Do you wear a poopy?

Immigrants are opening dollar stores en masse to hoard loonies away from the reach of old stock Canadians that poppies may remain unpurchased and unworn forever.

It's about as sound as the 19th century French doctor Prosper Lucas's Theory of Impregnation, which posits that a woman's first lover is bound to leave an indelible, biological mark upon her. So much so, in fact, that if she goes on to have children with another man, her offspring will ultimately resemble her first lover.

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Posts vmic :)

as an american the whole poppy thing has always seemed so weird and fraught and ive always been really glad we dont have it in the states

lol you can blame Zola for that one.

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The poppy might be strange but certainly Americans are on a whole other level with their celebration of the warrior class.

as someone from the uk who has only lived in canada for 7 years I'm not sure if the whole poppy thing here has followed the trajectory of the uk poppy thing, which was:

until the iraq war - remembrance day is a thing. some people wear a poppy

which then turned into:

which politician can wear the biggest poppy?, buy a poppy shaped pizza, a man in a giant poppy costume, where's your fucking poppy?, no one gets served in the pub this weekend if they're not wearing a poppy, every football team better have a poppy emblazoned on their shirt on the nearest weekend to remembrance day, etc.

Yeah, it's a case of once a year vs. every few milliseconds.

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Can't say I've witnessed that kind of one-upmanship (dare I call it… virtue signalling?), jim. But like I said upthread, I think it's demonstrably less of a big deal in Quebec.

In England last week, it's been a wondrous joy again watching who does and doesn't wear a poppy, who wears it with gusto or visibly against their will etc etc. Then there's the sellers on the street, in Oxfam, the bogus sellers and frauds. And commerce doing a 'who is the holiest' measuring contest while trying to not be too on the nose (yet still being too much on the nose) about it. It's an atrocious spectacle.

americans didn't fight at vimy ridge or (for the most part) get buried in flanders fields, so the wwi/armistice day stuff isn't quite as resonant. plus we already had memorial day, which seems to have arisen after the civil war

Pure anecdotal and possibly speculative, but what struck me most was when we were waiting in between trains, we got some grub at a pub near St. Pancras in London. Three guys walk in, all in suits, and while sitting down they all removed their poppies; like civil servants finally done working for the man after a long day and removing it just to be able to breathe again, before ordering a pint.

The poppy as a symbol for what it is supposed to stand for just doesn't cut it anymore. It creates whole new divides imho.

several xp:: yes obv not comparing the respective levels of war lust between these great nations, just thankful to not have to deal with the specific social phenomenon of the poppy & poppy-adjacent controversies.

honestly pretty surprised that a similar thing never caught on in the states, we are very psychologically primed for it, for sure. closest usa equivalents i can think of might be the iraq war era fad of displaying yellow 'support our troops' magnets on our beloved giant automobiles, and a post-9/11 media obsession with politicans wearing or not wearing little american flag lapel pins, but neither of those got that intense and eventually faded away as americans' interest in the war waned.

You've 'Support our troops' and 'Never forget' and the star spangled banner covering a lot of that ground though, right? It's not the same though, I agree. It's probably to do with your last sentence, "as americans' interest in the war waned", which is... kind of a thing.

there's a minor trend in the usa of troops 'secretly' returning from deployment and 'surprising' their families at sporting events. i don't even have words for how disgusting i find it

I thought that stopped after one too many videos of 'soldier makes surprise return and has his dog jump on him' videos from before the youtube era :(

Some notable moments in the Tucker Carlson interview. For one, Carlson makes no attempt to deny that Cherry was talking about immigrants (and nor does Cherry) when he celebrates and defends his words. Secondly, Cherry himself seems a bit dumbstruck when Carlson says that Cherry's critics are fascists with no feelings. (I saw a comment on Twitter that Cherry got to feel what it's like to be Ron MacLean). Lastly, lol @ this San Fran-born, New England private school-educated scion of privilege's ostensible affinity for the traditionalism of the people in northern Quebec and rural Ontario.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6103177588001/#sp=show-clips

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJN7fpmX0AEFgse?format=jpg&name=large

Cherry got to feel what it's like to be Ron MacLean

lol

Oh wow, the CBSC has now been overwhelmed with complaints about another TV host (that I've never heard of before now tbh) responding to Cherry because she insulted white people and hockey players, apparently: https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2019/11/14/broadcast-council-overwhelmed-by-complaints-over-ctv-correspondents-comments-on-don-cherry-hockey-culture.html

(#BoycottCTV is trending on Twitter and I'm thinking I should either stop reading Twitter or get better at ignoring whatever is trending.)

The feeling when you are happy people are boycotting CTV but you also don't agree with their reasons.

It seems like the guy has, if anything, become more guarded over time, although the most striking part of this exchange might be realizing that there was a time when CBC journalists were willing to actively confront an interview subject when he shoots off:

Don Cherry with Eric Holling, 1990 pic.twitter.com/s4qKbGcrTZ

— Nathan Caranci (@NathanCaranci) November 14, 2019

Yeah I remember when he mocked lgbt culture and LA for not being ‘tough enough’ before a Kings game in the early 90s I believe by posing a super effeminate hockey fan. They had replayed as one of those good ole Don clips.

https://blankforms.org/events/the-great-trip-rare-and-unheard-music-from-don-cherry/

Homonymy strikes again.

every update i'm hoping for a RIP.

Failing that, I'd actually be cool with turning this into a thread about the Other, Good Don Cherry and drowning out the existence of our national fuckface altogether.

oh lol, wrong thread

It's the Canadian shibboleth we wish we didn't have.