― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 16:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 March 2003 22:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dan (dan), Monday, 10 March 2003 22:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 22:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 10 March 2003 22:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 10 March 2003 23:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
NED MUST DIE.
― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 01:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 02:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 02:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 02:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 02:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 02:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 02:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 02:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― keith (keithmcl), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 03:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
Forsberg? He's no Borje Salming. But then again who is?
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 04:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 11:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
Yeah. To him the Euro players are either wimps who like to take dives or dirty fighters. So the swedes usually go into the latter category.
― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 21:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
Im just trying to remeber who the first big three or so were who defected from the Red Army team. Its funny to call them defectors now days.
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 21:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 21:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― keith (keithmcl), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 03:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 04:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 17:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
(Ulf.)
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 17:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 18:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 18:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 18:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 18:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
I still daydream of meeting him and saying 'hey here's the guy who never won the cup'.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 03:17 (four years ago) link
bye bitch
― Simon H., Tuesday, 12 November 2019 03:26 (four years ago) link
Did the CBC not still have the rights to HNIC when Cherry made the dressing room comments in 2013? Or is this about something else?
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 03:28 (four years ago) link
I think they didn't want to mess anything up prior to the sale.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 04:00 (four years ago) link
always been surprised he lasted on air as long as he did
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 13:36 (four years ago) link
Hey, Don Cherry @CoachsCornerDC. We heard that you were fired. It’s not good!Come to Russia, we need an analyst for Dynamo TV who could talk whatever he thinks. We love old soldiers. And we will make a nice suit!We hope you agree. #WeAreDynamo pic.twitter.com/5WiwikHZgQ— HC Dynamo Moscow (@dynamo_ru) November 12, 2019
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 14:27 (four years ago) link
This is how I choose to remember him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7tOjXSnpPk
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 15:37 (four years ago) link
guessing that he'd have survived if he'd been willing to apologize
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 15:44 (four years ago) link
Incidentally, I'm puzzled as to why this report leaves out his words "you people that come here", which seems key to making his meaning plain.
This report also does the same thing:https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/don-cherry-fired-coaches-corner-1.5355764
His defence is a little puzzling, though:
"I did not say minorities, I did not say immigrants. If you watch Coach's Corner, I did not say that. I said 'everybody.' And I said 'you people,"' Cherry said."Irish, Scotch, anybody that's newcomers to Canada, and they should wear a poppy to honour our dead from the past, whether they're Scotch or Irish or English, or where they come from."
"Irish, Scotch, anybody that's newcomers to Canada, and they should wear a poppy to honour our dead from the past, whether they're Scotch or Irish or English, or where they come from."
He did say "you people that come here" and did single out Mississauga and downtown Toronto vs "the smaller cities" (and "you people" is by definition distinct from an "everybody" that includes the speaker) so... he could have been talking about Anglo-Saxon and Celtic immigrants but how would he know from looking at non-poppy wearers in Toronto whether they were immigrants or not, unless he was just going by race?
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 15:50 (four years ago) link
"You love our way of life, you love our milk and honey"... how often in the 21st century are white immigrants from England talked about in those terms?
― jmm, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 16:05 (four years ago) link
yeah, never.
im an immigrant to canada and I'm obviously not addressed by don cherry's rant because i come from the uk and my skin is pasty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sExSTLqpNoU
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 18:52 (four years ago) link
He did specifically say 'Scotch', though. All bases covered.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 19:01 (four years ago) link
if only he could be fired again!
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 19:02 (four years ago) link
Point taken, sorry, let me withdraw that. I was trying to account for the sense that he was specifically targeting racial minorities, but yeah, his comment definitely does cover immigrants in general.
― jmm, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 19:03 (four years ago) link
I don't think you were wrong.
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 19:59 (four years ago) link
Also the obvious point that Don is missing is that saying immigrants are greedy people who hate veterans isnt less offensive if it includes "everyobdy"
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 20:16 (four years ago) link
I've once been asked, as a test of my commitment to the federation, whether I'd be willing to DIE for Canada if a major war were to break out. Because every Canadian who wasn't born abroad would surely give their life up for it, by default.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
(It does need to be said that this 'serious concern' was raised by a Frenchman who is 'uncomfortable' with the notion of dual citizenship.)
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 20:33 (four years ago) link
lol
i don't really fancy dying for the nation state i was born in so I'm not sure it'll be incumbent on me to die for canada when i bother to get my citizenship sorted
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 20:40 (four years ago) link
I die for Canada every winter day.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 20:42 (four years ago) link
It's about as sound as the 19th century French doctor Prosper Lucas's Theory of Impregnation, which posits that a woman's first lover is bound to leave an indelible, biological mark upon her. So much so, in fact, that if she goes on to have children with another man, her offspring will ultimately resemble her first lover.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 20:47 (four years ago) link
Also I never have a loonie for a poppy and where do you buy them nowadays? I always got mine at the hospital.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 20:51 (four years ago) link
Do you wear a poopy?
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 20:53 (four years ago) link
Immigrants are opening dollar stores en masse to hoard loonies away from the reach of old stock Canadians that poppies may remain unpurchased and unworn forever.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 20:54 (four years ago) link
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Posts vmic :)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 20:56 (four years ago) link
as an american the whole poppy thing has always seemed so weird and fraught and ive always been really glad we dont have it in the states
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 20:57 (four years ago) link
lol you can blame Zola for that one.
xp
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 20:58 (four years ago) link
The poppy might be strange but certainly Americans are on a whole other level with their celebration of the warrior class.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 20:59 (four years ago) link
as someone from the uk who has only lived in canada for 7 years I'm not sure if the whole poppy thing here has followed the trajectory of the uk poppy thing, which was:
until the iraq war - remembrance day is a thing. some people wear a poppy
which then turned into:
which politician can wear the biggest poppy?, buy a poppy shaped pizza, a man in a giant poppy costume, where's your fucking poppy?, no one gets served in the pub this weekend if they're not wearing a poppy, every football team better have a poppy emblazoned on their shirt on the nearest weekend to remembrance day, etc.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:00 (four years ago) link
Yeah, it's a case of once a year vs. every few milliseconds.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:01 (four years ago) link
Can't say I've witnessed that kind of one-upmanship (dare I call it… virtue signalling?), jim. But like I said upthread, I think it's demonstrably less of a big deal in Quebec.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:03 (four years ago) link
In England last week, it's been a wondrous joy again watching who does and doesn't wear a poppy, who wears it with gusto or visibly against their will etc etc. Then there's the sellers on the street, in Oxfam, the bogus sellers and frauds. And commerce doing a 'who is the holiest' measuring contest while trying to not be too on the nose (yet still being too much on the nose) about it. It's an atrocious spectacle.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:10 (four years ago) link
americans didn't fight at vimy ridge or (for the most part) get buried in flanders fields, so the wwi/armistice day stuff isn't quite as resonant. plus we already had memorial day, which seems to have arisen after the civil war
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:13 (four years ago) link
Pure anecdotal and possibly speculative, but what struck me most was when we were waiting in between trains, we got some grub at a pub near St. Pancras in London. Three guys walk in, all in suits, and while sitting down they all removed their poppies; like civil servants finally done working for the man after a long day and removing it just to be able to breathe again, before ordering a pint.
The poppy as a symbol for what it is supposed to stand for just doesn't cut it anymore. It creates whole new divides imho.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:17 (four years ago) link
several xp:: yes obv not comparing the respective levels of war lust between these great nations, just thankful to not have to deal with the specific social phenomenon of the poppy & poppy-adjacent controversies.
honestly pretty surprised that a similar thing never caught on in the states, we are very psychologically primed for it, for sure. closest usa equivalents i can think of might be the iraq war era fad of displaying yellow 'support our troops' magnets on our beloved giant automobiles, and a post-9/11 media obsession with politicans wearing or not wearing little american flag lapel pins, but neither of those got that intense and eventually faded away as americans' interest in the war waned.
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:18 (four years ago) link
You've 'Support our troops' and 'Never forget' and the star spangled banner covering a lot of that ground though, right? It's not the same though, I agree. It's probably to do with your last sentence, "as americans' interest in the war waned", which is... kind of a thing.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:24 (four years ago) link
there's a minor trend in the usa of troops 'secretly' returning from deployment and 'surprising' their families at sporting events. i don't even have words for how disgusting i find it
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:45 (four years ago) link
I thought that stopped after one too many videos of 'soldier makes surprise return and has his dog jump on him' videos from before the youtube era :(
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:56 (four years ago) link
Some notable moments in the Tucker Carlson interview. For one, Carlson makes no attempt to deny that Cherry was talking about immigrants (and nor does Cherry) when he celebrates and defends his words. Secondly, Cherry himself seems a bit dumbstruck when Carlson says that Cherry's critics are fascists with no feelings. (I saw a comment on Twitter that Cherry got to feel what it's like to be Ron MacLean). Lastly, lol @ this San Fran-born, New England private school-educated scion of privilege's ostensible affinity for the traditionalism of the people in northern Quebec and rural Ontario.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6103177588001/#sp=show-clips
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 05:24 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJN7fpmX0AEFgse?format=jpg&name=large
Cherry got to feel what it's like to be Ron MacLean
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 15:23 (four years ago) link
Oh wow, the CBSC has now been overwhelmed with complaints about another TV host (that I've never heard of before now tbh) responding to Cherry because she insulted white people and hockey players, apparently: https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2019/11/14/broadcast-council-overwhelmed-by-complaints-over-ctv-correspondents-comments-on-don-cherry-hockey-culture.html
(#BoycottCTV is trending on Twitter and I'm thinking I should either stop reading Twitter or get better at ignoring whatever is trending.)
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Friday, 15 November 2019 03:36 (four years ago) link
The feeling when you are happy people are boycotting CTV but you also don't agree with their reasons.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 15 November 2019 05:06 (four years ago) link
It seems like the guy has, if anything, become more guarded over time, although the most striking part of this exchange might be realizing that there was a time when CBC journalists were willing to actively confront an interview subject when he shoots off:
Don Cherry with Eric Holling, 1990 pic.twitter.com/s4qKbGcrTZ— Nathan Caranci (@NathanCaranci) November 14, 2019
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Friday, 15 November 2019 15:23 (four years ago) link
Yeah I remember when he mocked lgbt culture and LA for not being ‘tough enough’ before a Kings game in the early 90s I believe by posing a super effeminate hockey fan. They had replayed as one of those good ole Don clips.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 15 November 2019 19:27 (four years ago) link
https://blankforms.org/events/the-great-trip-rare-and-unheard-music-from-don-cherry/
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 6 March 2021 23:34 (three years ago) link
Homonymy strikes again.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 March 2021 23:35 (three years ago) link
every update i'm hoping for a RIP.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 6 March 2021 23:41 (three years ago) link
Failing that, I'd actually be cool with turning this into a thread about the Other, Good Don Cherry and drowning out the existence of our national fuckface altogether.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 March 2021 23:42 (three years ago) link
oh lol, wrong thread
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 6 March 2021 23:43 (three years ago) link
It's the Canadian shibboleth we wish we didn't have.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 March 2021 23:44 (three years ago) link