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what are your favourite ones?

gareth (gareth), Monday, 10 March 2003 14:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Court Square Diner, Court Square, LIC by PS1
Deluxe Diner, Broadway, near Columbia

Ed (dali), Monday, 10 March 2003 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

how many NY-related threads to come from gareth this week i wonder? ;)

i figure they'll prove useful for me when i finally go though so carry on...

stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 March 2003 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Notice selections haven't changed since last time we did this. Hopefully NYC late august.

Ed (dali), Monday, 10 March 2003 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

god my massive post was eaten here is the digest:
carmines (near times square) for huge portions of trad southern italian favorite. the meatballs are heavenly! they supposedly use more garlic than any other restaurant, which is a virtue to me!
max (east village) little bistro for hipster villagers but excellent caprese and gnocchi.
(the pizza place on houston, but i cant remember the name, but it is well known, right south of the middle village, wood-burning oven) the pizza with red peppers is great. other good pizza is at 33rd st and 3rd ave in manhattan and pino's on 7th ave in park slope.

asian: i mostly eat italian in nyc for some reason but i do sometimes end up at zen palate in union square (they have multiple locations). it is all vegetarian and very tasty. also, i have a soft spot in my heart for he numerous Ollie's Noodle Houses, but that is not a great place to go as a visitor. lastly, i was taken to the china grill once, which is fancy ish and was very hip in the 80s, and the food is not bad.

latin america: coco roco (?) on 5th avenue in park slope is incredible. there is another place that i have to look up and post later.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 10 March 2003 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Congee Village

rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, Veselka, even though the service is not too hot.

rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Second for Veselka.

I like El Sombrero at Ludlow and Stanton, haven't been there since I moved back tho.

There's a Cambodian place in Fort Greene that's good.

Uh, there's lots more, but nothing coming to mind just yet. I am still asleep, sort of.

hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Wake up, it's almost lunch time.

felicity (felicity), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

12:30? I almost forgot!

hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

How about 1:00

felicity (felicity), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

well if 12:30 was the original time, that still works for me. Earliest is prolly best.

hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I prefer 1:00 but could still do 12:30 if it's much better for you.

felicity (felicity), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

My favorite (not exactly a restaurant) used to be the Lafayette Pastry Shop in the Village, before it moved to make way for a burrito place. Mmmmm chocolate rum balls.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh my god, I've just summoned Dan without meaning to.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, ha ha, yes, El Sombrero for margaritas!!!

rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

My favorite new place is NaNa on 5th Ave in Park Slope. 3 chefs and 3 difft Asian styles - Chinese, Thai, and Japanese. The food can take a long time to come sometimes but it's so f'in good and i'ts ridiculously cheap.

I think Lupa is the best Italian restaurant in the city. It's on Thompson between Houston and Bleecker. 'hearty' 'rustic' Roman-style stuff like Saltimbocca, most things are like $15. mmmm pork shin.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah, another El Sombrero enthusiast.

hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

There's a fantastic Cuban restaurant that's really cheap at the corner of 1st and 1st in Manhattan. At Ludlow and Houston there's a really great Japanese restaurant (can't remember the name), but the best Japanese food I've ever had is from a place in Red Hook...

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link


felicity (felicity), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

oh and HELLO the gratest Indian 'tea shop' ever ever ever, open from 8am to 4am every day, on Church between Duane and Reade. I can't remember what it's called. That place is NO-NONSENSE. Even though it's lit fluorescently and patronized largely by taxi drivers there's a hush inside, a kind of humility. It's like a living shrine to fantastic food.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

What's the name of that saki place that's in some basement in the Village?

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Dosa Hutt (two Ts, like Jabba), out in Flushing, is spectacularly good. And there's that Sri Lankan place whose name is escaping me in Staten Island. And Angelika Kitchen.

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 10 March 2003 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

What's the name of that saki place that's in some basement in the Village?


phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 10 March 2003 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Coco Roco.. I had bad ceviche there.. Uggggh.

Well, I used to write restaurant reviews for the NYU paper, and also I've been fired as a waiter from like 10 NYC restaurants... but i like:

Pongsri Thai: cheap and yummy thai.

Blue Ribbon: expensive but veyr well made yummy things like the raw seafood platter... in Soho or Park Slope. open late.

Cafeteria: The macaroni&cheese and fried chicken & waffles are good. 24 hours in chelsea... but a weird mixed crowd of fabu-gays and thugz.

Florent: Always dependable for moules frites or a cheeseburger or eggs/bacon after a night at APT or something... in the Meatpacking district.

Tabla: Very good fusion Indian food on Madison Ave. Expensive though

avoid, because someone might try to take you to:
Avenue A Sushi [YUCK!]
Casa La Femme, Kin Khao, Chez es Saaada, Jewel Bako, Genki Sushi, The Grocery, Uncle Pho, Coffee Shop, and The Park [the bastards all fired me]

phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 10 March 2003 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i havent been to coco roco since 1999, so it might have gone downhill de to all of the hype?

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 10 March 2003 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

i guess so. i lived in park slope in 2001-2002 and it was packed almost every night i passed by. you could still catch a faint whiff of scallop ceviche in my bathroom like 6 months later.

phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 10 March 2003 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

that sounds nasty. i had the lomo saltado (?) which is the beef and french fries and tomato garlic sauce ( i think) all mixed together.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 10 March 2003 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

All my really favorite restaurants (and gourmet food stores) in New York are the ones within a five-minute walk from my apartment: absolutely fantastic for take-out but I'm not sure if they're worth a trip to the Upper East Side.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 10 March 2003 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

hi i'm a tourist:

sushi samba
the coffeeshop (i swear it was good! i was not THAT drunk!)

one of the indian restaurants with the belly dancers on the lower east side (e. 6th?)

i can't remember any others...

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

the coffeeshop (i swear it was good! i was not THAT drunk!)

NOOO!! Coffee Shop is the worst. I worked there one day before I got fired. The food is awful and the service sucks - trust me. Everything is seriously overpriced. $12 for a Cuban Sandwich? Nigga please. I could go down to Houston & Attorney and get one for 3 bucks. And also, they have a policy for the host-staff. All the beautiful people get the prime seats and booths, while the uglies get sent away to the back. It's true. It's policy. It sucks. Though the waitstaff is all pretty hot [but dumb...]

phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

second for congee village! plus sweet and tart cafe, the smaller version. it has the best wonton noodle soup in the city. i also have to mention the greatness of zen one on st. mark's. the couple that owns that place are very friendly and the sushi portions are generous for the price.

fiona (fiona), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

The advice to stay away from Dojo may be the most valuable information in this thread, gareth.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I think I ate at Zen every weekend from fall 1986 to spring 1991, give or take a year spent in London. The bento box lunches were $5.95 then and they shoveled the food down your throat. I doubt prices would be that much higher now.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

i actually live in new jersey *everyone stops reading* but for those that are still reading, a great italian place in soho (should you happen to be in the neighborhood) is 'il corallo trattoria'. fairly inexpensive and really tasty, and the service was great. i'll second zen palate - best vegitarian food i've ever had, if a tad pricy for a poor student.

Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

* starts reading again *

Ugh Zen Palate. So frondy. I think I'm going to turn into an overpriced plant everytime I walk past one of those places so I try not to let the waitstaff see my eyes. NEVER let them see your eyes.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 March 2003 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

The one time I went to Zen Palate it was a bazillion degrees out (hot August day) and their a/c didn't work.

hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

all i remember is that the fried medallion things were fab, and i had previously thought of myself as a red-meat-a-tarian.

Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link

i dont think the waiters are that bad at the union street location. the 49th street location is much different. there, the waiters hover, and they are all in black, and there is new-agey music playing!

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

third for veselka

alli (alliok), Monday, 10 March 2003 22:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I like El Sombrero at Ludlow and Stanton, haven't been there since I moved back tho.

Word. Also, for REAL Mexican food: the Rocking Horse Cafe, Gabriela's, Los Dos Rancheros.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 10 March 2003 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh JBR let's not fight over Mexican food again!

hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 23:03 (seventeen years ago) link


Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 10 March 2003 23:05 (seventeen years ago) link

In which neighborhoods and how much do you want to spend and what if anything don't you eat?

A good place to check out if you want to spend lots of time (and major bandwidth warning) is the message board at chowhound.

Commentary on places mentioned before:

I second the recommendations for Gabriela's (90s location probably has a less annoying crowd than the 70s one), which is pretty good as far as NY Mex goes. Maya is a wonderful, if expensive, haute Mexican place on the southern tip of the Upper East Side. One of NY's better restaurants. As for other places, I've been once to the supposedly authentic La Palapa in the E. Village/LES and wasn't impressed, food- or other-wise. The others I don't know about.

Carmine's is not exactly subtle food, but it is better than one might expect and can be a great time for a group. Go for the Upper West Side branch, if convenient, to avoid the Times Square crowds (though I don't know what effect the theatre strike will have). If you do the Little Italy thing, you should know that the restaurants there aren't necessarily great (I don't know how they stack up against the E. Vill/LES places, which I've never been to). Of the ones there, Il Cortile can be pretty good.

Ollie's has a special place in my heart, but it is not worth your time unless you want slightly-better-than-average-Americanized (and excessively corn-starched) Chinese and it's nearby. Columbia branch better than the others.

John's Pizzeria (the Village place referenced, but not named, in Aaron Grossman's post, I believe) - very good pizza, not sure if it's a destination. V&T near Columbia is comparable. The great pizzerias are Lombardi's (in Little Italy/NoLita) and Patsy's (in Harlem, with V&T-quality branches elsewhere). You should, however, have some cheap, average NY pizza in addition to excellent, wood-burning-oven pizza to get the full experience.

Dosa Hutt - I've never been, but this place gets raves from most foodies. And you don't have to go to Flushing - there's one on Lexington in the 20s (26th?). Also nearby on "Curry Hill" is Curry in a Hurry, a great place for dosas and steam-table meals. That place, however, can't beat...

Pakistan Tea House in Tribeca (the place Tracer Hand was referring to). In the past year and a half, I've eaten in probably ten of the best restaurants in New York. I'm not sure I've had anything more memorable at those places than this place's Chicken Makhni platter with spinach and dal.

Coffee Shop - food shouldn't be the reason you go there (though it is decent). I'm not sure what should.

Blue Ribbon - I've never been to Blue Ribbon proper, but have been to the Blue Ribbon Bakery, slightly less, but still relatively, expensive. The food wasn't as amazing as I expected (though it was very good and I ordered strangely), but this place has great atmosphere.

Stuff you should try:

Hot Dogs - The classic places are the papaya ones (Gray's Papaya over Papaya King for me). F&B in Chelsea is a v. cute place with a chic'er and broader menu and probably better food.

The Soup Nazi - in midtown, open during the day. Cuisine in an expensive-for-lunch-but-cheap-for-quality cup (with lots of goodies added). Worth the adventure.

Sushi - but only if you go to one of the really good places, which will probably cost $. On the Upper East Side, Sushi of Gari is an inventive, fun (and pretty trendy for the UES) place that my Dad thinks has the freshest fish he's ever eaten (and he's eaten a lot). The invention here isn't quite my style (I do like invention, just a different kind), but many disagree. The other great sushi place, besides Nobu (which, like most big-name restaurants, is totally hit-or-miss) and the midtown-business-lunch places, is Jewel Bako in the East Village, where I've never been.

Chinese/Vietnamese in Chinatown/Little Italy - I'll leave the picks to others (I'm too Americanized to appreciate rice gruel). But I do like Funky Broome.

A cute/trendy/semi-cheapy French bistro like Le Pere Pinard on the LES. Metisse near Columbia has especially excellent food in this category, but is a much older, more sedate scene.

A personal pick - Beyoglu - on the Upper East Side (where it seems you won't be going), this place has really fantastic Turkish food, perhaps the best in NYC, for not all that much money. A group meal here can be great.

Are you a serious foodie planning on eating somewhere seriously gourmet/expensive? Cuz that's another discussion. I'll note that some of Danny Meyer's restaurants have comparatively cheap options - lunch at the bar at Union Square Cafe, the front room at Gramercy Tavern, the Tabla Bread Bar - that get you their very good (but not life-changing or anything) food and wonderful service for slightly less money.

Michael Daddino - are you the only other UES'er besides me? Am I going to run into you in Eli's (though I never have time to waste money there any more)?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 06:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Japanese: East 9th St.: Hasaki (sushi) Yokocho (yakitori), Sobaya (soba), Otafuku (food stall, takoyaki, okonomiyaki, yakisoba), East 8th St.: Yakitori Taisho (yakitori), Go (yakitori), East 10th St. Rai Rai Ken (ramen), Sapporo East (family style) Tribeca&West Village: Zutto (sushi), E. 49th St. Sappporo (ramen)
Thai: East 28th St. Jai Ya Thai (purists can go to Queens location)
Korean: East 32nd St., Soho Woo Lae Oak (chain).
Indian: East 6th&West Village Mitali, 2nd Ave. Haveli, Balduchi (chain), Jackson Heights Jackson Diner.
Deli: 2nd Ave. Deli.
Sweets: Veniero's, E. 11th st. (never been)
Brooklyn: Juniors
Aspirational: Howard Johnson's Midtown

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 07:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Jackson Heights Jackson Diner

Yes! But Ashoka is better.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 07:57 (seventeen years ago) link

mmm forgot Lombardi's. best pizza for miles. Lou Reed eats there!

Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I knew there was a reason I'd been meaning to go there for awhile! (Ryucihi Sakamoto eats at Honmura An -- Soho soba shop -- but I can't think of much else to recommend it.) What's Ashoka Jody? More dosa?

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:35 (seventeen years ago) link

It's another Indian buffet in Jackson Heights. No dosa on the buffet -- maybe on the regular menu (I've never looked).

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:40 (seventeen years ago) link

But does Lou Reed eat there?

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:42 (seventeen years ago) link

last night a bit of a Ft Greene crawl: Walter's, to Mo's, to The Alibi for late-nite. *mwah* chef's fingers

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 16 March 2019 15:32 (one year ago) link

had a cocktail at Walter's made with Root liqueur that tasted like a rootbeer float. the young woman who bartends there is an ingredients maniac with a photographic memory for drinks she's made.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 16 March 2019 15:34 (one year ago) link

Gonna be on the border of Bushwick and Williamsburg with the whole family in a couple of weeks. (East Williamsburg? Is that a thing?) Got any recommendations, besides Roberta's?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 16 March 2019 16:05 (one year ago) link

win son is slightly fancy but very good taiwanese

frost is excellent old school italian, almost as good a scene as nearby bamonte's but way more chill

adam, Saturday, 16 March 2019 16:35 (one year ago) link

Which stop are you near? If it's Graham there is the Bagel Store that has really excellent bagels. Their other location on Bedford is the one they usually showcase about the famous rainbow bagels but the Graham one has it as well. Those are fine (kind of sweet) but I usually prefer the french toast and bacon egg and cheese ones (the bacon egg and cheese is *in* the bagel). I used to bring them into work once a month and people went mad for them.

Yerac, Saturday, 16 March 2019 16:36 (one year ago) link

But if you are staying near Roberta's I would just eat there every day. I think they have a takeout window now too. Plus momo sushi beside it.

Yerac, Saturday, 16 March 2019 16:39 (one year ago) link

roberta's takeout is fantastic. they deliver too, if the roberta's experience seems to exhausting

adam, Saturday, 16 March 2019 16:43 (one year ago) link

closer to williamsburg proper, but i love okonomi on ainslie st for their set menu japanese breakfast/ lunch. you get fish, rice, soup and vegetables and it is simple but so good.

mizzell, Saturday, 16 March 2019 17:01 (one year ago) link

Anyone tried Bozu?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 16 March 2019 17:42 (one year ago) link

Bozu is our favorite restaurant in williamsburg. I am sure there is better japanese/pricier that has opened since but we used to go there once a week. I haven't been in awhile so I don't know if that's nostalgia that makes us like it so much.

Yerac, Saturday, 16 March 2019 17:45 (one year ago) link

This was the core stuff we galways got: Tofu salad, pork betty ( I would have to eat this all since my spouse doesn't eat meat), miso salmon, party bomb, yellowtail bomb, shiro bomb, stinky roll, white and red roll.

Yerac, Saturday, 16 March 2019 17:51 (one year ago) link

I think we'll be by ... the Montrose Ave stop of the L?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 16 March 2019 17:53 (one year ago) link

There's tons around, more near Bedford. It's a really good neighborhood for food. I do get DUMPLINGS! from Vanessa's on Bedford a lot. I could eat there every day. I am half taiwanese so I prefer the thick skin DUMPLINGS! and theirs are totally good and the food is really inexpensive. When my brothers' families came to visit and people were too tired, I would just get a ton of random food from there for all the kids. They still talk about Vanessa's.

Yerac, Saturday, 16 March 2019 18:18 (one year ago) link

the vanessa's on 14th is kinda near my office, i get takeout from there occasionally. love the sesame pancake sandwiches in particular.

adam, Saturday, 16 March 2019 19:06 (one year ago) link

t's kind of funny how all the Vanessa's have slightly different menus and prices.

Yerac, Saturday, 16 March 2019 21:34 (one year ago) link

We really enjoyed Win Son, thanks. It was only 5 minutes walk from where we were staying, and even though they said there was a 2-hour wait, they had take out at the bar, which only took 10 or 15 minutes, and allowed us to have an excellent cocktail while we waited.

Roberta's was really good, too, but really no different or any better than similar styled pizza places in Chicago. Juliana's, on the other hand, next to Grimaldi's and from the former matriarch of that family, I found a big disappointment.

Had good Israeli food elsewhere, and good Chinese, and excellent Korean in Brooklyn at Insa. Grossest food was probably the cookie dough scoops my kids got. Pasteurized or no, nobody needs a softball sized chunk of cookie dough. Barf.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 March 2019 19:09 (one year ago) link

Spent the last day visiting friends in Montclair, New Jersey by the way, which has a pretty vibrant suburban food scene. But my kids got to see Stephen Colbert driving around, and I learned that Richard Thompson and Patrick Wilson are both local residents. Oh, and both Warren and Dan Zanes from the Del Fuegos, a former drummer from Guided by Voices, Christian McBride, and the brother of Camilla Parker Bowles. The latter is apparently, and probably not surprisingly, some kind of dandy. But I bet he eats pretty well.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 March 2019 19:12 (one year ago) link

Did you get anything else besides pizza at Roberta's? I think Roberta's kind of were one of the first to make pizza like that with those combos of ingredients at the time ( just had to look up to see when they opened, 2008). Because yeah, I definitely see a lot more of that style everywhere else now. I miss their hot oil and olives.

Yerac, Saturday, 30 March 2019 19:13 (one year ago) link

Best sit down pizza I’ve had is Lucali but haven’t been in years.

For Israeli food I must plug my friends’ excellent (and now quite successful) cafe, Reunion.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 30 March 2019 19:15 (one year ago) link

(In Williamsburg)

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 30 March 2019 19:15 (one year ago) link

I like Lucali a lot, I like the simplicity of their menu.

Yerac, Saturday, 30 March 2019 19:18 (one year ago) link

I think 60% of a pizza's favorability ranking is based on how hungry I am and who I am eating with.

Yerac, Saturday, 30 March 2019 19:25 (one year ago) link

Roberta's we also had ...'Nduja and grilled bread?

That style is just Neopolitan, no? Spacca Napoli in Chicago does the same style, and opened in 2006. When I looked up that info one of the first things I saw was a piece mentioning Roberta's, and saying, yeah, it's good, but we have pizza this good at home. Lucky both of us! There are a few more in that mode in this city.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 March 2019 19:29 (one year ago) link

I don't think they consider themselves neopolitan. Or at least not strict neopolitan. I remember their garden being a big talking point when their ingredients would come up. Even though I lived close by when they opened I didn't go for several/many years, even though my bread and chef friends often talked about it. It's so weird that I barely ate pizza like half the time I lived in NY.

Ha, I think most people just assume Chicago only has that casserole pizza. which I am kind of into sometimes.

Yerac, Saturday, 30 March 2019 19:43 (one year ago) link

Anyway, I shouldn't talk. I just ate supermarket brand pizza today for breakfast.

Yerac, Saturday, 30 March 2019 19:55 (one year ago) link

Roberta pizza is good but they’re I own for the other stuff as well/in addition to.

dan selzer, Saturday, 30 March 2019 21:34 (one year ago) link

What crazy people think Chicago has only one type of pizza!? Chicago style is for tourists, or special occasions, like when you want to be very full or feel kinda cheese-sick.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 March 2019 22:10 (one year ago) link

Now I am looking up pizza wedding cakes.

Yerac, Saturday, 30 March 2019 22:41 (one year ago) link

Josh nice to hear you were in Montclair. Funny I knew Richard Thompson was playing there recently but didn’t realize he actually lived there.

Evan, Saturday, 30 March 2019 23:08 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I guess he played a literary festival? I think he only recently moved there, or relatively recently. I knew he got divorced (again) not long ago, and he had been in Santa Monica for years. Anyway, Montclair was really nice! Sort of reminded me of where I grew up in SE PA.

BTW, the Chicago "style" (as such) is the so-called "party cut," which is a pie sliced into a bunch of small squares. It is to Chicago what a single large slice is to New York, just kind of the serving style. Though of course we have by the slice as well, just not in the NY "where to get the best slice" sense. I'm starting to see more Detroit style around, too (and saw some in New York, like at Emmy Squared). Detroit has slightly different cheese, I want to say, and a really crisp carmelized crust. And it's served square, too.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 March 2019 01:23 (one year ago) link

We've thought about Montclair a lot but my commute would kind of suck since I work in Westchester. I can't really justify moving to a suburb and working in another suburb far from that one.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 31 March 2019 01:50 (one year ago) link

What's worse, from what I understand vindictive Trump bullshit has lead to recalled funding for post-Sandy train fixes, so they are always canceling departures. So, for example, yesterday we were told to be sure to grab an earlier train from Penn Station, and indeed one or two of the later departures were cancelled. We asked our friends what that means, and they said basically you'd be stuck in Manhattan for at least another couple of hours.

Oh, and back to pizza, I guess strict Neapolitan DOC standards are what gives that type of pizza its trademark floppy crust. Roberta's specializes in what they've apparently termed "NEOpolitan," which sticks to many of the rules but messes with flour type and cooking time to give it a firmer crust.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 March 2019 02:22 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I googled that too and saw that weird article of nea vs NEO. I've been to Naples a couple of times just to eat pizza. Roberta's never struck me as that similar. I dunno. I like it a lot but I like most pizza. I would kill for some costco pizza right now.


Yerac, Sunday, 31 March 2019 02:55 (one year ago) link

I am very particular though about crusts and bread. Like, I think Bien Cuit is super overrated. I don't get it. Every single thing I have ever gotten from there was burnt and dry. Which makes sense they got ahead of it and called it bien cuit.

Yerac, Sunday, 31 March 2019 03:00 (one year ago) link

I grew up in Southern Illinois. Most pizza we had was "party cut" and it was trash.

Some of the best pizza right now in NYC is Ops in Bushwick, which is similar to Roberta's but I think better. Very soft crust, but not soupy. Supposedly a very long fermentation.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Monday, 1 April 2019 00:58 (one year ago) link

Also, I will rep for Long Island "grandma style", which is like a thin-crust Sicilian with a chunky sauce and higher end cheese with a light hand. It is very good when done right.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Monday, 1 April 2019 01:01 (one year ago) link

Crappy place that used to be by me in Woodside introduced me to grandma slices that were so good. Cooked with onion that would caramelize on the bottom of the crust.

dan selzer, Monday, 1 April 2019 02:08 (one year ago) link

I will never pass up a grandma slice. Even though Casanova's in Greenpoint had a cheesy location, I really liked their grandma pies. Soooo garlicky. Also, Rosa's and that weird Astoria Pizza Factory did a good one (would get with meatballs).

Yerac, Monday, 1 April 2019 02:29 (one year ago) link

Can recommend Llamita, a newish Peruvian spot in the Village (having dined there last night).

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 April 2019 02:39 (one year ago) link

Their williamsburg restaurant Llama Inn is excellent as well.

dan selzer, Monday, 1 April 2019 03:30 (one year ago) link

rosa's grandma pie is all time.

went to roll-n-roaster in sheepshead bay this weekend, lives up to expectations. roast beef sandwiches terrific but the big surprise was the apple pie, far better than any fast food apple pie needs to be. great scene too.

brennan and carr is the next sheepshead bay excursion i think.

adam, Monday, 1 April 2019 11:37 (one year ago) link

I just saw that Rosa's has a location in Williamsburg now too. I got some pizza from the astoria one recently, it was good, I don't think as good as my memory of the one on Fresh Pond.

Yerac, Monday, 1 April 2019 13:03 (one year ago) link

No one associates New York, a city in the eastern United States, with good restaurants. That's beginning to change.

— L.A. Times Food (@latimesfood) April 1, 2019

mookieproof, Monday, 1 April 2019 14:28 (one year ago) link

Impressive, it's the rare April 1st reverse troll! That's a tough one to pull off.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 1 April 2019 15:55 (one year ago) link

fresh pond rosa's is my local rosa's. can also vouch for the chicken caesar salad slice.

anyone got ideas for good affordable sushi? i swore off low-tier bad neighborhood sushi but don't want to drop $500 at shuko or whatever.

adam, Monday, 1 April 2019 17:32 (one year ago) link

Outside of going local, the places I went to the most were:
Bozu (wburg) I mention above in the thread what we would order
Kaoru (by the UN) insanely good/big chirashi bowls for $20-$25. They stop serving early though and turn into a hostess bar.
Jewel Bako (evillage) I haven't been in awhile, it's probably at the top price range for what you are looking for. The sushi/sashimi entrees are pretty decently priced for one michelin star.
I recently went to Hasaki in the evillage (vg, busy) and TsuruTonTan in Union Sq for udon but their sushi was pretty strong too (they have nice lunch specials).

Yerac, Monday, 1 April 2019 18:06 (one year ago) link

i think you can slide in around ~$50 for lunch at sushi yasuda on a weekday

hate to say it but win son is p overpriced for what it is, i also instinctively distrust sino-restaurants where 90% of the clientele are not sino (see also birds of a feather, mala project)

, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 00:18 (one year ago) link

I love Mala Project.

o. nate, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 00:48 (one year ago) link

it's ok but you'd been able to get sichuan drypot for years prior in flushing, it's basically that but at 2x the price for the east village. i think there are more interesting places in the neighborhood (e.g. little tong noodle shop)

, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 01:00 (one year ago) link

I go to the one in midtown for one of the lunch specials (usually the fish). Its a nice option to have, even though all the specials basically taste the same, so you have to space out visits.

o. nate, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 01:05 (one year ago) link

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