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is pakistan a danger? does it have a lot of weapons for an unstable country?

gareth (gareth), Saturday, 8 March 2003 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

To travel in?

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Alan

Alan Conceicao, Saturday, 8 March 2003 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

no, in general

gareth (gareth), Saturday, 8 March 2003 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link

well, it has nuclear weapons. is that enough?

what i want to know - what's the deal with the leaking of info about efforts to catch terrorists over there? supposedly the pakistanis leaked the info about KSM being caught, because we would never do such a thing because we are so smart about keeping quiet when something like that happens because it could lead to finding other people and ashcroft would never announce something just to take credit for it, right? but if the pakistanis are so wary about admitting that they have terrorists in their country why did they announce it? did some ISI dude who is friendly with the Taliban do it to get the word out? and what about this stuff re: UBL's sons? is it that because everything's so covert no one really knows what's going on so people will leak something even if they think it might have happened?

anyway, North Korea is the really scary stuff at this very moment.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 8 March 2003 22:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Pakistan-versus-India is *very* scary. Pakistan is small enough and outnumbered in conventional forces so badly, that if the Indian army crossed their border they would probably instantly respond with nukes, to which India would reply in kind.

The other problem, which is what I guess you're asking about, is that Pakistan has nukes, and many pro-terrorist individuals in their military ranks. So what are the chances of a Pakistan nuke falling into the wrong hands? Who knows. I would assume there are really large numbers of US intelligence & special forces types watching that situation around the clock.

Dave Fischer, Saturday, 8 March 2003 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link

>>is pakistan a danger? does it have a lot of weapons for an unstable country?<<

Well, they have a fairly large military, everyone and their mother has a weapon on some kind (gun running is a popular pastime), and they have nuclear weapons. However, considering their recent pro-US stance on most things and their assistance in caputring terrorist "leaders", I doubt they're about to hand over nukes to terrorists, and I bet they're pretty well defended.

Russia, Iran, and Syria are far bigger concerns when it comes to nations that may allow (knowingly or unknowingly) weapons of any kind to fall into terrorist hands).

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Alan

Alan Conceicao, Sunday, 9 March 2003 00:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Chechnya has changed Russia's attitude towards middle east extremists. They wouldn't risk letting anyone in that area get a nuke, since it might make its way to Chechnyan hands. The Russian *mob* of course, is a different issue entirely. (Is that what you meant by "unknowingly"?)

Dave Fischer, Sunday, 9 March 2003 00:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Yea. The mob also doesn't have nearly as many qualms about who they sell them to in the end either. You're right; they're a bit more paranoid recently about that happening than in the early 1990s.

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Alan

Alan Conceicao, Sunday, 9 March 2003 00:32 (nineteen years ago) link

yesterday my friend told me her uncle (who works in karachi) got shot in the leg on his way to work by an american soldier. yes, pakistan's dangerous.

Maria (Maria), Sunday, 9 March 2003 02:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, I would throw my lot in with the India-Pakistan situation being the scariest thing in the world right now. Yes so the current regime supports the US, I think that is small comfort.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 9 March 2003 02:32 (nineteen years ago) link

waqar younis is a horrible captain, which is probably the reason behind their constant underacheiving

webber (webber), Sunday, 9 March 2003 05:10 (nineteen years ago) link

nineteen years pass...

So...these floods...

xyzzzz__, Monday, 29 August 2022 08:24 (one month ago) link

Sounds like they are much more severe than what was happening in parts of India a month or so ago? But both off the back of 50 or near-50C heat

nashwan, Monday, 29 August 2022 12:06 (one month ago) link

I think this is the most unfathomable thing to happen in my lifetime. I understand it but I can’t wrap my head around it. Hard to not be alarmist. The world’s glaciers are simply melting. https://t.co/18kfUHYjKX

— Human Resources at Paulo Freire Charter School (@postcyborg) September 2, 2022

xyzzzz__, Friday, 2 September 2022 09:23 (three weeks ago) link

It's getting worse.

Rising floodwaters might soon cause Pakistan's largest freshwater lake to burst its banks.

If it does, hundreds of thousands more would be affected on top of the already 33 million people impacted by climate change-induced floods. pic.twitter.com/WdQdDA7xQf

— DW News (@dwnews) September 7, 2022

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 8 September 2022 09:42 (three weeks ago) link

"According to preliminary estimates, 65 percent of Pakistan’s main food crops—including 70 percent of its rice—have been swept away during the floods, and 3 million livestock have died...45 percent of agricultural land is now destroyed."https://t.co/RCOTDMU5E7

— Hamna Tariq (@hamnatariq97) September 9, 2022

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 10 September 2022 22:56 (two weeks ago) link

I guess I was naive, I assumed when the climate crisis arrived it wouldn't simply be ignored.

death generator (lukas), Sunday, 11 September 2022 16:43 (two weeks ago) link

Well it is simply being treated as a natural disaster where the first reaction would be to aid people.

More widely, it isn't the way it works. You might see the absence of certain goods now and then, or prices going up further. But connecting to events happening hundreds of miles away to then enforce protest and action is another order of things.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 12 September 2022 15:01 (two weeks ago) link

Obvs there is a strong "brown ppl don't matter" narrative in MSM, but, still, I don't doubt this would be getting more coverage were it not for Russia invading Ukraine, the energy crisis and the death of QEII.

Grandpont Genie, Monday, 12 September 2022 15:10 (two weeks ago) link

Most of the world gets very, very little coverage.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 12 September 2022 17:03 (two weeks ago) link

This catastrophe is much greater in scope than, say, the Ethiopian famine Buerk reported on in 1984 which led Geldof & Ure to do Liive Aid, yet the famine got more coverage. Some of this may be coz 24 hour news was not yet a concept, on UK TV at least, but was there also just less going on both internationally/domestically. I don't know, the Miners' Strikd was happening. What else?

Grandpont Genie, Monday, 12 September 2022 17:16 (two weeks ago) link

Well Band Aid, then Live Aid I guess. See also USA for Africa, &c.

Grandpont Genie, Monday, 12 September 2022 17:17 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah I'm not arguing we normally do a good job at covering disasters in "developing" countries, but this seems worse than usual. I also thought of the Ethiopian famine.

death generator (lukas), Monday, 12 September 2022 19:46 (two weeks ago) link

It's a very different time. The Ethiopian famine is alluded to but the solutions need to be very different.

https://gal-dem.com/pakistan-floods-mutual-aid-organisers/

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 08:54 (two weeks ago) link

The consequences of all this water also include malaria, dengue, cholera and other diseases, and reduced access for the little medical assistance there is to reach stranded populations.

Nabozo, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 12:53 (two weeks ago) link

Yup indeed, mentioned here

Sri Lanka - Pakistan - Bangladesh
Chartbook #153 surveys the polycrisis in South Asia. How finance, energy, geopolitics and climate shocks intersect. https://t.co/n1qg82ZzRD pic.twitter.com/SOPLeWXYKW

— Adam Tooze (@adam_tooze) September 22, 2022

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 22 September 2022 11:10 (one week ago) link


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