Jean-Luc Godard: S and D

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I favor literal translations. How should one translate Bande à part?

How should one understand power in a gaze?

youn, Thursday, 15 September 2022 15:11 (one year ago) link

I find it strange to see people (on this very thread in fact) repeatedly refer to Godard movies by their English titles.

I notice in this post that you mentioned 小津 but used English characters for his name

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Thursday, 15 September 2022 15:27 (one year ago) link

Band apart?

Jean Arthur Rank (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 15 September 2022 15:42 (one year ago) link

(straying from the topic of this thread ... literal translations that have an affect similar to the expression in the original language with the obviousness of the translation minimized if possible but not at the cost of precision, i.e., accepting loss rather than covering for it ... I think the problem is that French speakers consider it okay to be apart whereas English speakers may not; interesting idiom discovered -- faire bande à part ... )

youn, Thursday, 15 September 2022 16:31 (one year ago) link

I feel like in the US it is acceptable to use either French or English titles. Sometimes the literal title doesn't make sense in English, thinking of The Four Hundred Blows, but eventually one learns the original phrase in the source language and...where was I?

Jean Arthur Rank (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 15 September 2022 17:02 (one year ago) link

To make thinks even more confusing, sometimes Fassbinder would use French expressions or wordplay in translation as titles, such as The Merchant of Four Seasons or Love Is Colder Than Death.

Jean Arthur Rank (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 15 September 2022 17:06 (one year ago) link

hiroshima damn shawtie ok

mark s, Thursday, 15 September 2022 17:08 (one year ago) link

heh

Jean Arthur Rank (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 15 September 2022 17:09 (one year ago) link

Fovever example of completely different sense of translated title is Herzog's The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser/Jeder für sich und Gott gegen alle.

Jean Arthur Rank (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 15 September 2022 17:13 (one year ago) link

I'm quite sure there are better ways to stream this, but a friend sent me a Twitter link yesterday to Histoire(s) du cinéma (takes 30 seconds to cut-and-paste correct French spelling) in eight files:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1DYxt-JhZQTsxRhlNY4lFpksRWWXr4HZq?fbclid=IwAR0GpPt1u4dDMq28obXYHiFqdRVKBJbmKgFz_w1DffcZZliGiM56pEMBmZs

They work using VLC player, and I'm able to watch them on my TV with a USB.

clemenza, Thursday, 15 September 2022 20:06 (one year ago) link

Watch it!

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 15 September 2022 20:46 (one year ago) link

Saw it at Toronto's Lightbox when it came out, but I've meaning to go back. I think one of the files might be without subtitles, though.

clemenza, Thursday, 15 September 2022 21:00 (one year ago) link

if you watch la chinoise first think of it as an affectionate but also quite sardonic portrait of the very extremely on-line

― mark s, Wednesday, September 14, 2022 12:41 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

except these people wear such pretty clothes

― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, September 14, 2022 12:42 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Yes, their successors are alive and active today, even among us. Especially among us. And that ending (the new school year begins, and the sons and daughters of the bourgeoisie put aside la lutte and return to their studies) continues as we speak.

Am I the only one here who's seen The Lost Record (Svevonius & Cabral, 2021, NOT RECOMMENDED unless you are a masochist)? I'll wager Ian S. is a conscious disciple of JLG.

Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Friday, 16 September 2022 00:29 (one year ago) link

decided to watch Godard's melancholic Germany Year 90 Nine Zero (1991) - always intrigued to see glimpses of Berlin from that moment (with a bit of Hegel thrown in) pic.twitter.com/BeGaeOWUdP

— hannah proctor (@hhnnccnnll) September 16, 2022

xyzzzz__, Friday, 16 September 2022 10:12 (one year ago) link

Aw man, I somehow missed this news. RIP.

I think that my introduction to JLG via the "cool kids smoking cigarettes" era was in fact not the best way to be introduced - I liked it but wasn't passionate about it, and it took me ages to get around to the "all politics all the time" stuff, which blew me away. A big thing of suggesting entry points is what the person you're recommending to actually wants.

emil.y, Friday, 16 September 2022 10:46 (one year ago) link

yeah the pre-67 films are loved for a reason but they're not the reason i adore Godard's work

feudal vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 September 2022 11:54 (one year ago) link

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2022/09/when-godard-came-to-england

xyzzzz__, Friday, 16 September 2022 16:11 (one year ago) link

"its most basic apparatuses, had to be reconsidered from ground up, ruthlessly, and politically"

does this apply also to essays about film?

no they can stay completely unreconsidered

mark s, Friday, 16 September 2022 16:16 (one year ago) link

watched alphaville again and it's a hot mess.

koogs, Monday, 19 September 2022 17:00 (one year ago) link

Grabbed Brody's Godard bio from the library this morning.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 September 2022 17:09 (one year ago) link

I wonder if I should mention a certain bias I detected in the Brody book, or let you read it first and see if you feel the same.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 19 September 2022 17:42 (one year ago) link

Well, I read him regularly lol so I wonder what that might be

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 September 2022 17:55 (one year ago) link

watched the image book last night as it's up on mubi: might rewatch after reading up on it as gorgeous as it is visually it's p cryptic

jlg's narration tho lol what a voice, sub-sonic rumble and grumble soup-to-nuts

mark s, Monday, 19 September 2022 18:14 (one year ago) link

Not on MUBI US anymore :(

Ride On Proserpina (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 September 2022 22:36 (one year ago) link

But it is on Criterion:)

Ride On Proserpina (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 September 2022 22:38 (one year ago) link

You can get The Image Book on Kanopy.

clemenza, Monday, 19 September 2022 23:00 (one year ago) link

Think you and maybe Alfred are the only ones who still have that.

Ride On Proserpina (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 September 2022 23:10 (one year ago) link

Are libraries passé?

clemenza, Monday, 19 September 2022 23:12 (one year ago) link

lots of libraries stopped paying for it (new york's did at least)

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 19 September 2022 23:15 (one year ago) link

I have it and am halfway through the 44 Frederick Wiseman films that are available with my Kanopy subscription

Dan S, Monday, 19 September 2022 23:17 (one year ago) link

(xpost) True enough--my local stopped, but I was able to sneak back in using my Toronto card (moved away three years ago).

clemenza, Monday, 19 September 2022 23:20 (one year ago) link

Kanopy depends on a library paying for a subscription and rights. My uni library, well.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 September 2022 23:22 (one year ago) link

Seem to recall that their pricing model made it unsustainable for most libraries.

Ride On Proserpina (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 September 2022 23:23 (one year ago) link

Some kind of per use surcharge.

Ride On Proserpina (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 September 2022 23:23 (one year ago) link

They need this guy to play some hardball with them.

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/Etb87Rs8yDz29G5ogXEiJm-970-80.jpg.webp

clemenza, Monday, 19 September 2022 23:24 (one year ago) link

https://www.nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/our-godard/

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 25 September 2022 10:05 (one year ago) link

The Brody bio was for the most part excellen.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 September 2022 12:07 (one year ago) link

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Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 September 2022 12:07 (one year ago) link

Well played.

Ride On Proserpina (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 September 2022 13:00 (one year ago) link

Boys chat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_Ac0Xc4lQw

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 26 September 2022 08:55 (one year ago) link

Love that. OG title: “The Baby And The Dinosaur”!

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 26 September 2022 10:18 (one year ago) link

Saw band a part for the first time. So good. Favorite moment is the voice over lead up and strange walk down the street at night.

calstars, Monday, 26 September 2022 19:53 (one year ago) link

I had a strong feeling that the Brody book had a certain personal animus behind it, particularly in his writing about the later years; this could be entirely my projection, but Brody's sting at being rejected by Godard after a day of interviews on his 60s movies really comes across. So I wondered if that explained his emphasis on certain unpleasant topics like the treatment of the young girl in Sauve Qui Peut or the romantic pursuit of the actress in For Ever Mozart. It's still a good book, though.

All of this may have been emphasized for me because the Colin MacCabe biography, which came out earlier, is very reticent about "personal details". It's probably the only biography I can imagine that mentions the subject's suicide attempts in a footnote.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 26 September 2022 20:05 (one year ago) link

Hm! If anything, he's too forgiving of Godard's uh fascinations. He

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 September 2022 20:43 (one year ago) link

And his reporting on the SQP incident was pretty fair imo

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 September 2022 20:43 (one year ago) link

Brody very active in defending Godard's reputation on twitter.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 09:12 (one year ago) link

Watched about 15 mins. Once Godard gets going (and Daney shuts up) you can feel how important the materiality of the medium is for him. You know this, but I've seldom watched him try and articulate it. Like when he talks about the act of projection.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 10:32 (one year ago) link

May read it but that quote is terrible.

Fredric Jameson writes on Jean-Luc Godard.

‘If cinema really is dying, then he died with it; or better still, it died with him.’https://t.co/9pZDvpZHIf

— New Left Review (@NewLeftReview) September 28, 2022

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 14:33 (one year ago) link

Picture makes it look like Godard secretly killed cinema and is gloating.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 14:51 (one year ago) link


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