S&D: Serial Killers

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Inspired by the Zodiac references in another thread and the fact that I immediately thought of Albert Fish on the pictures of fish thread. Destroy them all, obviously, because they are bad and do no good. By why do they fascinate folks? And do you find a particular killer or killers really interesting?

Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:13 (sixteen years ago) link

I suppose you could say Stalin was interesting.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Destroy them all, obviously, because they are bad and do no good

Haha that was what I was thinking of writing the second I saw the thread title -- my hackles go up when people romanticize these awful people or overuse words like "fascinating" in describing them -- this is a personal issue as all my old goth friends were like that and it became such an obvious tired pose after a while

...that said, you can't front on Edmund Emil Kemper, who in his final act of savagery, decaptated his mother, stood her head on the mantel, and was heard by neighbors screaming at her for several hours. He had apparently also thrown some darts at her in his post-murder frenzy.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:23 (sixteen years ago) link

but the best serial killer moment ever is when Richard Ramirez says "Hail Satan!" to the newscameras as he's being led from the courtoom

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:24 (sixteen years ago) link

seek: Hunting Humans by Elliott Leyton, best book on the subject.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:25 (sixteen years ago) link

I find serial killers extremely interesting. I love shows that profile them and what not. I like to know what goes on in their minds. I wanted to be a forensic psychologist at one point in my life....but my guidance counselor told me I had pipe dreams. asshole.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:27 (sixteen years ago) link

i rate hunting humans, too

Kemper — IQ smart, even if a total social cataclysm in the non-metaphorical sense — also said (something like): "You pass a girl in a the street , and part of you thinks, 'She's cute, I'd like to date her' — and another part thinks, 'I wonder what her head looks like on a stick'"

I find the fact if Kemper's self-reflexive comedy timing the most ugly and most scary fact abt him, actually — certainly the hardest for me to process and be comfortable with. I can't be comfortable with it, bcz it means a state of mind i put a lot of moral trust in and enjoy — a playful sense of fun — is not firewalled territory after all.

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Kemper's got a million of those extraordinarily fucked-up jokes, like the one about his mother's larynx, that aren't so much (for me) Hollywood action hero one-liners as acknowledgements that he knows he's a complete disaster, so why not tell jokes about it? It makes him somehow more normal -- and therefore, probably, more scary -- than narcissitic blowhards like Ted Bundy or John Wayne Gacy.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:51 (sixteen years ago) link

serial killers - sad losers

in your heart you know I'm right.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:56 (sixteen years ago) link

There was a great program on HBO about a week ago about cannibal killers. Sick stuff, Issei Segawa a killer turned porno star free on the streets. Check it out.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:06 (sixteen years ago) link

they are sad losers true but the thing that's fucked up and fascinating about them is they sometimes MISGUIDEDLY see themselves as artists (or maybe more importantly, their actions are interpreted by others as if it were art) - like they're staging something symbolic for other people's benefit ... trying to impose some order on a chaotic universe, immortality, or extremist existentialist beyond morality blah blah --- of course this is also what is fascinating and UTTERLY REPELLANT about Nazis and the Khmer Rouge ---
but it takes a real disconnect btwn reality and dreamsville to be anything but very sad or adolescent to think this way.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:13 (sixteen years ago) link

which i guess is long convoluted way of saying the same thing ned did in the first post of the thread.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:23 (sixteen years ago) link

One tries.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:24 (sixteen years ago) link

the attraction to the persistently horrible is old and deep in culture and society — it certainly isn't recent

i'm just rereading sherlock holmes at the moment, after a regrettable mini-binge on jack the ripper books:
holmes = 1887-whenever, ripper murders = 1888 basically

i think a lot of holmes material is conan doyle (unconsciously?) dealing with ripper material, transforming it to cope with it, and help others cope => as usual, the cliche of victorian politeness is exploded... story after story centres on a hyper-nasty detail (little old lady sent two severed ears in the post) (this is a particuarly ripperish one actually)

(eg: the 'monster' who dances mockingly round the police, playing games with them, becomes the master detective in principle defeating crime, though actually almost always merely explaining it afterwards)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:32 (sixteen years ago) link

(and explaining how clever he's been)

(if i were charlotte cornwell i wd be using this as proof that CD *was* the ripper)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:36 (sixteen years ago) link

patricia cornwell

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:54 (sixteen years ago) link

the last comment in court of ramirez : "big deal. death comes with the territory. I'll see you in disneyland" could have been lifted from a situationist novel.

the hegemon, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 18:02 (sixteen years ago) link

(from "the pigfucker" in a situationist novel obv)

the hegemon, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 18:04 (sixteen years ago) link

if i were charlotte cornwell i wd have a BIG BUM!!

*lawyers descend: mark s is no more*

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 18:07 (sixteen years ago) link

I find Bundy interesting. Firstly because he killed so many (estimates in the hundreds) and got away with it for so long; and also because he wasn't outwardly a weirdo which is fairly untypical for a serial killer.

David (David), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 22:24 (sixteen years ago) link

So which would win in an all out fight, The Millenium Falcon or the USS Enterprise?

Lynskey (Lynskey), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 22:41 (sixteen years ago) link

I still think of becoming a forsenic pyschologist.

That Girl (thatgirl), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 22:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Albert Fish! A true ghoul... Read Bloodletters and Bad Men!

Sonic Spam, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link

So which would win in an all out fight, The Millenium Falcon or the USS Enterprise?

*geeks out*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 01:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Fish's photo is really creepy in that Bloodletters and Bad Men book. He is the one that has stood out the most in my memeory from when I was a kid and used to read that book before I went to sleep.

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 01:51 (sixteen years ago) link

I started this thread and haven't said which one I find most interesting -- Richard Trenton Chase, because he was so COMPLETELY mad and because, with proper psychological treatment, he likely would never have killed, because his trial and conviction are teytbook examples of the US justice system's inability to deal with the insane. He was also active in the same area and at the same time as Kemper, which is pretty scary.

The fact that he is fairly beloved by goth serial killer fetishists and wannabe serial killers is pathetic.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 10:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Justice and the insane? Justice means doing what is right, even it goes contrary to popular opinion. The meat grinder is the only solution.

Die Mauer, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 12:59 (sixteen years ago) link

I find the whole Jefferey Dahmer story fairly interesting. Also, one of my sister used to go play at her best friend's house in grade school - who lived a few doors down from John Wayne Gacy.

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Is finding criminally "mad" people the same as laughing at a "spakka"? I'm not sure . . . . but anyway, Worf vs. Chewy in an anything goes wrestling contest. Who wins?

Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:28 (sixteen years ago) link

but the best serial killer moment ever is when Richard Ramirez says "Hail Satan!" to the newscameras as he's being led from the courtoom

Time to dredge up the last post on this
thread?

Mooro (Mooro), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:39 (sixteen years ago) link

My sentence was a trainwreck -- his trial and conviction, although disastrous, are not the reason he killed -- I meant the incredible fact that this guy was found sane is a reason that I find the case interesting, as well as the fact that his crimes would have been prevented if he'd been properly treated for paranoid schizophrenia.

And the word is "Hoden", du Angeber. Fick dich ins Knie.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:46 (sixteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
Guilty!. Zodiac next...

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 19:42 (fifteen years ago) link

man, they'll never get the Zodiac

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 19:49 (fifteen years ago) link

it would be great if there was some serial killer who decided to be the greatest serial killer of them all by hunting down and killing all the others.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 19:51 (fifteen years ago) link

You read too many comics.

That's either the best or the worst film script idea I've ever heard.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 19:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Depending on whether or not it stars Keanu Reeves in a major role.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 20:04 (fifteen years ago) link

or maybe some reformed serial killer could help the cops to track down other serial killers - as only he can think like they can. I know this sounds a bit like a Thomas Harris novel, but I'm thinking more that the serial killer turned cop has genuinely reformed, except that they keep being tempted to go back to their own ways.

mmmmm.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link

I quite wanted to see Ripley's Game...

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link

I watched part of 'Citizen X' (about Andrei Chikatilo) again on C4 last night. The execution scene is odd. He is ordered by two guards to enter a room in the prison, then to stand somewhere, then he starts to turn round and is told 'please don't turn round' (he complies), and then is shot in the head with a pistol. I gather the single pistol shot to the head was a common Soviet execution method but surely he would have been tied up or secured in some way rather than them relying on his peaceful co-operation?

David (David), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:27 (fifteen years ago) link

I never thought I'd see the day when they'd convict anyone for any of the Green River killings. Wow. And the serial killer was Gary Leon Ridgway all along, huh? Wow. I guess that finally clears William J. Stevens, Jr. -- hm, wonder what his brother thinks about it. I seriously thought they'd get more than one person for the murders. Hm. Wonder why Ridgway deviated from his pattern, then. He just dumped a lot of his victims, but then ended up posing a few of them.

Interesting thing is that ever since Gary Ridgway was arrested for about four or five of the Green River killings, ever since he's been in police custody, suddenly they're finding the remains of some of the missing females who were thought to have been the victims of the Green River killer. They found Pammy Avent, April Buttram, and Marie Malvar, and hopefully they'll find Kelli McGinness, Rebecca Marrero, Patricia Osborn, Kase Lee, and Kristi Vorak. And I wonder who the unidentified victims were. Hmmm.

Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link

is Gary Ridgway that guy that did the "camoflague" single? there was always something a bit weird about him.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link

I'll bet the 'Zo died a long time ago. I thought they had a good idea who it might have been, though.

Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 23:07 (fifteen years ago) link

Dee I get weak in the knees when you start talkin' crime

*swoon*

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 23:10 (fifteen years ago) link

What happened to the Unabomber=Zodiac theory?

L(E^24) (Leee), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 23:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I read a book about the Zodiac last year, and I from what I remember, Kerry is right.

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 23:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Most evil book ever: Autobiography of a Serial Killer by Donald 'Pee Wee' Gaskins.

Search: anything by Jack Olsen

Freedom Dupont, Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:02 (fifteen years ago) link

What is the general consensus on the fascination with serial killers/"but the criminal mind is sooooo fascinating" argument? What's really going on there?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:05 (fifteen years ago) link

I think it has to do w/ rituals and ritualization that most people consider marginal, hence my interest in the occult as well as serial killers.

L(E^24) (Leee), Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:12 (fifteen years ago) link

TO EDITOR SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE BY THE TIME THIS REACHES YOU ANOTHER GIRL WILL BE DEAD STOP YOU WILL NEVER FIND ME STOP I'LL KEEP KILLING FOREVER STOP

"Uh . . . are you sure you want me to send this, sir?"

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:46 (seven months ago) link

however --

Some have cast doubt on the story saying that Laura would have been only 4 when her family moved away from the area, and that the Benders were exposed in 1873, two years after the Ingallses left.[21]

someone needs to make this into a film: Bloody Nights: A Little House on the Prairie Thriller

omar little, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:47 (seven months ago) link

if it was two years after the Ingallses left then WHY DID PA KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT IT HMMM

Also - what was the most brutal act ever depicted in an episode of little house? I was well versed in my youth and I'm sure there must have at least been a murder at some point but the hardest core thing I can recall atm is albert getting strung out on morphine (well I suppose there is the act of domestic terrorism in the series finale)

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:55 (seven months ago) link

there was the episode where Charles and Albert are drawn away from the Ingalls ranch by a Comanche tribe and return to find the place in flames and Mary and Laura have been kidnapped (the others are all dead.) Charles and Albert spend years hunting Laura (Mary having been killed and left along the trail early on.) It's pretty harsh stuff.

omar little, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:59 (seven months ago) link

when pinkerton man dale cooper has to find laura it gets pretty dark/weird

puppy bash (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:05 (seven months ago) link

ah yes how could i forget the aguirre-like visionary sequence when charles and albert have been travelling without food or water for five days and think they see a giant weathercock sticking out of a mountaintop

xpost

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:13 (seven months ago) link

The episode of Little House where a young girl is raped in a barn (?.) was some heavy, dark shit for a little kid to see.

An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:54 (seven months ago) link

I believe that episode was called “Sylvia”, the victim was Albert’s girlfriend (Sylvia), and the rapist wore a really creepy plastic mask.

MrDasher, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 18:04 (seven months ago) link

I have told ppl about the Albert-on-morphine storyline & no-one believes me

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:12 (seven months ago) link

I remember and validate your experience VG

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:14 (seven months ago) link

I remember Albert being on morphine, but didn't he also later possibly die?

As for murder, Mr. Edwards' son was murdered, but I don't personally remember this and am not sure it was handled "darkly".
Charles had another son who was shot, but survived.
It was also pretty brutal when Mrs. Garvey (?) and Mary's baby died in a fire which I believe was started when Albert and the Garvey's son were smoking or something.
But the scary masked rapist was the thing that most left a childhood impression on me.

MrDasher, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:34 (seven months ago) link

god i hardly caught any of little house when i was younger and now I'm glad

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:36 (seven months ago) link

little house on the prairie, and the basement beneath it

macropuente (map), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:48 (seven months ago) link

xxposts ty jon <3

anyway i am basically ride or die for Little House forever

kinda want to rewatch it..but i’m deep into the Mary Tyler Moore Show & Hill Street Blues for the foreseeable future

anyway how did we get from serial killers to Little House? oh Benders, right right

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 02:45 (seven months ago) link

Did you hear about the Nun who liked Bingo?

She always had a little prayer on the housie

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 10:18 (seven months ago) link

xpost

i definitely want to rewatch little house during whatever time I left to me, it's gonna make me feel CRAZY to see though, it's like my weird hidden moral bedrock

hill street too (big time), and taxi, and st elsewhere. If you told me today I will never have time to rewatch those four shows I would be v v downcast

here ends my perversion of thread purpose

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 14:58 (seven months ago) link

two months pass...

I can't remember what thread it was where I was arguing that the US doesn't have serial killers anymore because all the psychopaths are now mass-shooters but this seems relevant and backs up my theory: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/15/are-american-serial-killers-a-dying-breed

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 22:00 (five months ago) link

Watching the Ted Bundy doc on netflix.

nathom, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 22:02 (five months ago) link

well really it only backs up my theory that there are fewer serial killers than there used to be

xxp

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 22:03 (five months ago) link

yeah I don't really buy the mass shooter as replacement for serial killer theory

they're a pretty different breed

Number None, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 22:07 (five months ago) link

xp. it doesn't really back it up very strongly.

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 22:08 (five months ago) link

well it is the Guardian!

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 22:11 (five months ago) link

the rise of mass shooters seems to be more of a coincidence than a switch-off, as it were. i don't doubt that it's more difficult to actually be as somewhat cavalier and casual a killer as some of these guys were, but at the same time the pathology driving serial killers isn't something that would go away, and it's not one that typically answers to pleas to self for caution. i'd be curious to see if there were in-depth corresponding analyses of captured killers who seemed to have a similar M.O. to past killers, the only difference being they were captured early on in their, uh, "careers".

omar little, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 22:13 (five months ago) link

yeah I don't really buy the mass shooter as replacement for serial killer theory

they're a pretty different breed

I guess I think of it in big-picture sort of terms - there are these violent currents in society and the avenues of expression that they take vary from one period to another depending on a variety of factors, and for whatever reason for awhile there it was serial killing, whereas now it's mass shootings. I have no statistics or grand theory to back this up, just spitballing. Might roll in how generations of men are no longer routinely exposed to horrific violence on the battlefield too, why not.

xp

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 22:15 (five months ago) link

like, it used to be that if you felt compelled to kill a whole bunch of random people, hey just join the army or a bushwhacker unit or become an outlaw or a pirate or whatever.

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 22:17 (five months ago) link

i think it's harder for serial killers to go years without leaving behind any real evidence of their presence now. everyone's got a cell phone, anyone can take a quick picture with their phone at a moment's notice and send it to someone, few ppl hitchhike or pick up hitchhikers anymore, we've got DNA evidence now...

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 22:17 (five months ago) link

the Vronsky book cited in the Guardian article (and which I talked about up thread briefly) has an extended section on the soldier as serial murderer, as it happens

Number None, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 22:20 (five months ago) link

and before that he talks about witch hunting as an institutionalised expression of those desires

Number None, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 22:22 (five months ago) link

yeah the behaviors seem to be so key. baby boomers tell you stuff about their lives that often feel very foreign. like i remember my ex-mother in law telling me how she hitchhiked with a female friend when they were in their mid 20s to Mexico and back from Toronto. i would think someone had lost their damn mind if they were doing that now.

there's also better forensic evidence, more surveillance, cell phones, as you mention, law enforcement agencies doing better to share info - that bundy doc shows just how little cooperation there was between law enforcement while he was in washington state, utah, and colorado. he may as well have skipped abroad when he moved state

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 22:23 (five months ago) link

Serial killers are very different from mass killers.

Also I think serial killers were a reflection of a different time. (Not only their ability to go unnoticed for a long time. But also it says more about society if that makes any sense. The way mass shootings seem to be more prevalent than before.)

nathom, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 23:28 (five months ago) link

the main difference seems to be that there's not really a sexual component to mass shooters, seems like that was more of a focus for serial killers generally speaking. but apart from that idk

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 23:35 (five months ago) link

Mass shootings seem like they’re aimed at public recig ition and reflect a world where life is more public

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 23:37 (five months ago) link

plenty of serial killers wanted public recognition

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 23:38 (five months ago) link

True. The mass shootings seem inherently public though. They take place in public; they are a spectacle

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 23:40 (five months ago) link

Some mass killers are incells, which I would say counts as a sexual component.

nickn, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 23:53 (five months ago) link

it counts as motivation, but the act itself does not involve sex

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 23:56 (five months ago) link

serial killing is a libidinal thing though. straight serial killers tend to kill women and girls while gay serial killers tend to kill men and boys. serial killers have types of victims. serial killers plan. serial killers want to get away with it. etc.

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 23:57 (five months ago) link

(male serial killers i should add)

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 23:57 (five months ago) link

serial killers have types of victims. serial killers plan.

so do mass shooters

serial killers want to get away with it.

debatable

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 23:58 (five months ago) link

most mass shooters in america are men that kill a woman that they know and people who happen to be around them. that's not a type. the las vegas shooter who is now the most prolific mass shooter shot at a crowd of people he couldn't possibly have distinguished.

serial killers tend to try and get away with it for at least a while

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 00:00 (five months ago) link

that's not a type.

gays, black people, coworkers...

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 00:01 (five months ago) link

Jews etc.

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 00:01 (five months ago) link

kindergarteners, fellow students

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 00:04 (five months ago) link

I'm using "type" in the way that people talk about serial killers having a "type" of victim. this is not synonymous with "group of people of any description"

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 00:05 (five months ago) link

yeah but again I would say that "type" is usually driven by the sexual component w serial killers. Mass shooters tend to have types or groups of people that they are going after, but as you say it's not a libidinal thing.

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 00:07 (five months ago) link

mass killers are more revenge and absolute chaos fantasy types afaict.

also what struck me about the Vegas dude was that what he did was almost create the type of scene you could re-enact in Grand Theft Auto, just getting to the top of a building and raining down gunfire on people and blowing shit up and holding out for as long as you can. i'm not "blaming video games" but it is kind of interesting.

omar little, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 00:12 (five months ago) link

read this last night thought it was good:
https://believermag.com/the-end-of-evil/

Mordy, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 15:41 (five months ago) link

Hadn't even heard of this guy - Canadian Serial Killer Bruce McArthur, operated in the Toronto LGBTQ community.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/canadian-serial-killer-bruce-mcarthur-life-imprisonment-792388/?fbclid=IwAR0IKiYiNWBXAzD2F-rhQ2UwfcG-xjj_hQqi3WWCzfH_47ogHPoM-oqckws

nickn, Saturday, 9 February 2019 07:36 (five months ago) link

On why he could fly under the radar for so long: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/alleged-serial-killer-divided-toronto-lgbtq-community-bruce-mcarthur-703592/

breastcrawl, Saturday, 9 February 2019 12:33 (five months ago) link


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