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there's like 40 cards with foretold, just memorize the instant/flash ones like you would in any set

ciderpress, Friday, 29 January 2021 02:43 (three years ago) link

definitely enjoying this so far, there's a bunch of stuff going on at once and a lot of powerful things to do. Between Foretell and Boast you're kind of forced to think differently about your mana.

frogbs, Friday, 29 January 2021 22:52 (three years ago) link

Foretold is such a nice way of dealing with leftover mana, and the boast mechanic is (at least in this early stage) genuinely surprising for opponents.

I'm still new to Arena (as of last month) and it's a bit difficult to tell where I should be focussing my attention. I like dimir decks the best, but that doesn't seem to be where all the action is with the new expansion and so far I'm drafting much better in every other colour. Any tips on how to get a jump on this season? I like the cat very much.

tangent x (tangenttangent), Friday, 29 January 2021 22:57 (three years ago) link

this set has so many 2-color cards at uncommon that i feel like you'll get rewarded unusually strongly in draft for being the only person in your color pair (assuming we're talking about player drafts here and not bot drafts). good incentive to work on reading the table.

ciderpress, Friday, 29 January 2021 23:11 (three years ago) link

in Sealed I see a lot of people trying 3 and 4 color decks. it seems kinda doable and the gold cards are generally worth it. all the Sagas are pretty good & there's a lot of stuff you'd think would be rare, like the U/W legendary flyer that lets you draw every time you play a Foretold card. I've had a lot of games feel like Cube despite not a single rare being played

frogbs, Friday, 29 January 2021 23:49 (three years ago) link

i honestly don't like it when the uncommons are closer to rares than to commons but that seems to be their current experiment

ciderpress, Saturday, 30 January 2021 01:44 (three years ago) link

the RG uncommon saga does a disgusting amount of stuff for a 2 mana uncommon

ciderpress, Saturday, 30 January 2021 01:45 (three years ago) link

yeah that thing's kicked my ass a number of times already. it's all three modes of the 3GG rare inscription from the last set in one.

the way Skull Raid handles discard is neat (where you draw the difference if they don't have enough in their hand) - I hope they do this much more from now on

frogbs, Saturday, 30 January 2021 02:10 (three years ago) link

it's like that because regular mind rot would be unplayable in the foretell set. dunno if it'll stick around after its served that purpose

ciderpress, Saturday, 30 January 2021 02:56 (three years ago) link

in general making discard more playable sounds like a bad idea to me unless you enjoy the topdeck war part of magic games

ciderpress, Saturday, 30 January 2021 02:58 (three years ago) link

discard is the great equalizer in Limited, I think it's good to have one playable spell per set at least

in other news I had to name "Tribal" for Alrund because I only had 2 cards left in my library and had no idea what they were, thank you WoTC for making that a card type for some reason

frogbs, Saturday, 30 January 2021 19:50 (three years ago) link

does anyone else find themself surprisingly delighted by the flavor/artwork of the new set?

nostalgia is a factor for me: this one is a throwback to Ice Age if i'm not mistaken, which was released during the peak of my middle-school MTG obsession, so i'm glad to find that this set honors the earlier look of magic really well. it feels like they intentionally brought back the much more human, painterly style of artwork from the old days. but they improve on it! some of the old art looked pretty lazy and hastily/carelessly done and this set doesn't have that problem.

so much of the recent MTG art direction has been (for my tastes) overly digital, boring comic book art, and it's been a real pleasure to find lots and lots of cards in this set that i actually enjoy looking at :)

davey, Sunday, 31 January 2021 07:24 (three years ago) link

yeah this set's pretty good. it's not a throwback to ice age though (they did that already years ago with Coldsnap) so much as it's a new wintry setting

the showcase versions of the legendary creatures are pretty cool in this one: https://scryfall.com/search?order=set&q=set%3Akhm+frame%3Ashowcase&unique=prints
and some of the arts for the saga cards are actual physical wood reliefs rather than paintings: https://scryfall.com/search?q=set%3Akhm+type%3Asaga&unique=prints&as=grid&order=set

ciderpress, Sunday, 31 January 2021 15:19 (three years ago) link

ah yea it figures. a proper Ice Age throwback would have to include Icy Manipulator, wouldn't it.

thank u for the links. i hadn't seen these showcase frames. to my eye they look silly on a computer screen, but i bet they look gr8 on paper. and it's neat that WoTC commissioned some woodworking craftspeople for the sagas. those translated really well to the digital format. it would be so sick to hang one of the originals in yr game room. i wonder where they'll end up, probably Hasbro HQ f0rever huh.

this set is fun in the limited formats so far. after a several humiliating attempts i finally got to 7 wins on arena in sealed, so i've moved on to sucking at drafting.

davey, Monday, 1 February 2021 21:02 (three years ago) link

yeah this is definitely a fun Limited format, I think it beats the last two. though I second cider's complaint that there are a ton of uncommons that feel like rares. and the snow mechanic feels kind of weird, it feels like a quarter of Coldsnap made it into the set somehow. though I suspect it plays much better in draft than Sealed

frogbs, Monday, 1 February 2021 21:13 (three years ago) link

yeah it doesn't seem like a great sealed set because of how snow works - you either want lots or none and sealed gives you something in the middle

ciderpress, Monday, 1 February 2021 21:19 (three years ago) link

some of the snow stuff still works in Sealed, don't forget about all the common snow taplands. that said I kinda view it as a positive since the snow decks look incredibly frustrating to play against

frogbs, Monday, 1 February 2021 21:25 (three years ago) link

well in draft the non-snow decks have higher power level too, it works out

ciderpress, Monday, 1 February 2021 21:26 (three years ago) link

fwiw I do suspect that in a couple weeks half the decks in Sealed will be 4-color snow

frogbs, Monday, 1 February 2021 22:38 (three years ago) link

Yeah I usually like how snow plays out in draft (including in this set) but don't like it in sealed or constructed formats. Still undecided how much I like Kaldheim but I do miss the Zendikar Modal DFC

Vinnie, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:10 (three years ago) link

Obv I mean the ones that are lands on one side

Vinnie, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:31 (three years ago) link

I miss them too, with this set comes the realization that sometimes a one-land hand is just a one-land hand

this set feels very Cube-ish, not just in that it's swingy but also because there are a ton of powerful, high-impact cards at uncommon - very good legendary creatures, the Sagas which can be tremendous value, even the lands which can sacrifice for a pretty big effect. also it kind of welcomes playing 3 or 4 colors so you see a lot of decks that can do a ton of crazy shit.

not wild about the fact that there are 2 board sweepers, was kind of nice that the last set didn't have any

frogbs, Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:28 (three years ago) link

also I strongly suspect in a week or two the format's gonna be all 4-color snow & W/R aggro boast decks

frogbs, Thursday, 4 February 2021 22:51 (three years ago) link

by which I mean Equipment decks, as the RW uncommon legend & the Runesearching equipment are pretty nutso

frogbs, Thursday, 4 February 2021 22:57 (three years ago) link

As a weaker player I love and rely on the board-sweepers.

tangent x (tangenttangent), Thursday, 4 February 2021 22:57 (three years ago) link

also I just found out that Valki is going for 92 tix (!!!!!!) so I am really trying to scrub out of this league fast so I can sell it

frogbs, Thursday, 4 February 2021 22:58 (three years ago) link

everyone switched to arena for draft so mtgo has supply issues for new cards playable in modern/legacy

ciderpress, Friday, 5 February 2021 00:05 (three years ago) link

also why is Tibalt's Trickery valuable? what are people planning do to with it?

frogbs, Friday, 5 February 2021 03:39 (three years ago) link

people are playing gimmick decks where they use it to cast a turn 2 ugin in standard, or cascade into a turn 3 emrakul in modern. these decks fizzle half the time and auto-lose to any counterspell but some folks just want to flip coins for wins

ciderpress, Friday, 5 February 2021 04:15 (three years ago) link

hah best of luck to 'em

gotta say I dig the "randomly mill 1-3 cards" thing, makes it feel like blackjack

frogbs, Friday, 5 February 2021 04:19 (three years ago) link

to clarify, the modern deck is: 4 violent outburst, 1 tibalt's trickery, 4 emrakuls, and then 51 lands of various utility (cycling, etc). you mulligan to violent outburst and then cast it on turn 3 and it hits trickery which counters it and turns it into an emrakul. if you can't find a violent outburst you lose, if your trickery gets countered you lose.

ciderpress, Friday, 5 February 2021 04:20 (three years ago) link

obviously if you get thoughtseized you probably lose too, have to draw another one of your 3 outbursts

ciderpress, Friday, 5 February 2021 04:21 (three years ago) link

yeah I cannot see that deck having any tournament success once it's out in the wild

frogbs, Friday, 5 February 2021 04:24 (three years ago) link

and yet if I worked for the DCI I'd ban it for being too stupid

frogbs, Friday, 5 February 2021 04:27 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

this might be the most skill intensive non-Cube limited format I've ever played. there are so many weird little things you have to keep track of. even how you tap your lands matters a lot.

frogbs, Saturday, 20 February 2021 18:42 (three years ago) link

yes. there's a great many subtleties and i haven't quite got it wired. i've made a couple entries into this weekend's arena open and gotten wrecked.

davey, Saturday, 20 February 2021 20:19 (three years ago) link

the snow decks are really strong but its a headache to play through the board stall-y mirror matches they create so i've mostly been drafting aggro

ciderpress, Saturday, 20 February 2021 21:34 (three years ago) link

I've only played the format a small amount so far, but I've been disappointed by how many long board stall games I've had. I used to enjoy that type of game more but Arena has really changed my preferences

Vinnie, Saturday, 20 February 2021 23:00 (three years ago) link

Also I was shocked to start seeing Strixhaven previews. I know we're not in preview season yet but I don't think I even know all the Kaldhiem cards yet!

Vinnie, Saturday, 20 February 2021 23:02 (three years ago) link

the relentless barrage of new sets plus the constant overly pushed cards that require bannings has really put me off of playing in general. The main thing I miss at the moment is the social aspect of drafting in person, and that's not happening any time soon.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Saturday, 20 February 2021 23:12 (three years ago) link

theres still the same 4 "real" sets per year as there always was, they just do a million supplemental products now. i ignore them

ciderpress, Saturday, 20 February 2021 23:21 (three years ago) link

this is true, and I mostly ignored the other stuff too, but the ramping up on Modern-relevant sets made that more difficult

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Saturday, 20 February 2021 23:24 (three years ago) link

I've only played the format a small amount so far, but I've been disappointed by how many long board stall games I've had. I used to enjoy that type of game more but Arena has really changed my preferences

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Yeah definitely noticed I have to leave like 40 minutes open to play a match, I’ve had to concede a few cuz they took way too long and I had things to do

One thing that makes this set extra complex is a bunch of creatures have types like “Elf Berserker” where both elves and berserkers have their own tribal shit going on

frogbs, Sunday, 21 February 2021 01:20 (three years ago) link

most of the tribal cards are at rare so you don't have to pay attention to it much unless you take one to draft around. the only playable common that cares about tribal is Squash

ciderpress, Sunday, 21 February 2021 01:23 (three years ago) link

got destroyed at the Open today, very discouraging

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 21 February 2021 01:44 (three years ago) link

I suppose it doesn't help that every other uncommon has like 3 paragraphs of text on it

frogbs, Sunday, 21 February 2021 02:27 (three years ago) link

its certainly been a real trial by fire set to get back into drafting with. not a favorite but i don't think it's a stinker either

ciderpress, Sunday, 21 February 2021 02:55 (three years ago) link

Sad that I missed the first limited Arena Open (I really, really miss limited GPs) but the timing of the Opens is always a little rough for me here in Asia. But I probably couldn't have helped myself from rebuying like five times, so guess I saved myself some money?

Vinnie, Sunday, 21 February 2021 09:49 (three years ago) link

i qualified for day 2, and, yes, i think it was like the fifth try lol smdh @ myself. here in honolulu, entry for the second day is from 4am — 6am, so i will be pulling an all-nighter. ahaha, aha. god help me.

davey, Sunday, 21 February 2021 11:33 (three years ago) link

Congrats! I think you've got a worse time zone than me for this

Vinnie, Sunday, 21 February 2021 11:39 (three years ago) link


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