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if you draw the 2nd card before revealing the miracle, it doesn't work since you've lost the proof that the first one was the miracle

this is why they gave them that fancy card frame, so you don't accidentally just put it in your hand and miss your chance to cast it

ciderpress, Monday, 9 April 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link

I imagine there will be a lot of arguments when people draw too quickly

iatee, Monday, 9 April 2012 15:23 (twelve years ago) link

rules-wise i think madness is the most comparable mechanic to how this works

ciderpress, Monday, 9 April 2012 15:26 (twelve years ago) link

that's kind of strange - so you pretty much have to draw one at a time now. I've never done it that way - if I play something that says "draw 3", I'll just draw them all at once

the card frame thing makes sense now - at first I just thought it was a "holy balls look at this thing!" like the planeswalkers

you only have to draw the first card of each turn separately, if you're drawing 7 cards on your opponent's turn you can just scoop the remaining 6

ciderpress, Monday, 9 April 2012 15:48 (twelve years ago) link

that's still kinda obnoxious

iatee, Monday, 9 April 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link

esp if you have like 1 miracle card in your deck

iatee, Monday, 9 April 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link

in Legacy it seems like it'll be a pain, but it remains to be seen the extent it'll be played since there's likely to be a banning or two soon. I guess you kind of have to tip them off if you're playing any miracle cards. in Standard, they've generally shied away from instants that draw more than one card lately so I doubt it'll be a problem.

either way, I am genuinely excited about this. I feel like Wizards get bit on the ass every time they try to do something abuseable (Storm, Madness, Affinity, the entire Urza's block), but they have to do it anyway.

the psuedo-time walk seems w/e to me, i mean i only play block and limited and i understand there are formats where it can get abused but its not that good a card imo. i think the best preview cards so far are the white angel rare and the white blink common

Lamp, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago) link

the mana cost of time walk effects has to be thought of differently since they don't really tap you out. I can't see running 4 in any kind of slowish blue deck really being a mistake!

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 04:06 (twelve years ago) link

looks like they're doing the same thing they did with Suspend, using Miracle as an excuse to reprint broken stuff:

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/cards/22325.jpg

a Miracle Balance would be one of the greatest things ever, but sadly I don't think it'll ever happen (as I truly believe Balance is the game's most powerful card and should never, ever be reprinted in any form)

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link

haha some ppl were talking about 'balance' but the white miracle mythic is something garbage about angel tokens

theres a really cool black mythic 'descent into madness' that im tempted to preorder cuz i have the feeling you can do some rad stuff w/ it but overall i havent really been feeling this set

Lamp, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago) link

white mythic doesn't seem bad but IMO White Sun's Zenith outclasses it, and few people play that anyway. the blue and red ones seem better to me b/c of that land that allows you to draw and discard in case you get stuck with one in your hand, along with similar effects like Faithless Looting. honestly I have no idea how any of this is going to play out.

I like Decent into Madness too, but the fact that it exiles cards kind of takes away some of the effectiveness (as Reassembling Skeleton was my first though). plus it costs 5 and doesn't really effect the game until your second upkeep.

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link

both the utility lands spoiled so far seem useful although neither are in colors id really consider playing

Lamp, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link

i dunno about constructed and don't really feel like thinking about it yet but this limited format looks pretty fun

i hope that land that makes creatures uncounterable isn't as good as it looks though, its already got my roommate to lose all interest in constructed since he only plays control

ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

I am not sure how playable that is. There are so many great duals already. I guess in some decks it'll just straight up be better but you'd have to have all one creature type (which I don't think any decks do right now)

My pick for "sleeper" is Zealous Conscripts - think it'll hover around the $1-$1.50 range, but that card seems so damn good.

Right now my favorite design is this:
http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/avr/0h8auar7xf_en.jpg

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i feel like im still bad at magic cuz i dont think that rare land is s0 amazing?

Lamp, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link

i guess for two black and a red you can cast the pit-dweller and lightning bolt him?

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link

3 mana for a 5/4 creature, not shabby

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link

no no - when he dies your opponent gets him

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago) link

OH. I missed the from the graveyard part. Eh, then.

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link

you'd have to have all one creature type (which I don't think any decks do right now)

human tribal and zombie tribal are both very good decks in standard already. i think people are also worried about uncounterable primeval titans, since the main thing keeping that card in check was mana leak

ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link

OH. I missed the from the graveyard part. Eh, then.

you have to figure out a way to use him. if you can put +1/+1 counters on him he loses his downside. or you can bounce him, or...I dunno. it's not a great card, I just love the design of it.

cider - Human tribals play Geists, and Zombie tribals have Phantasmal Image and Phyrexian Obliterator. In both cases I think you'd want the duals that are out already (which are excellent already). Also, many ways to beat titans besides Mana Leak (Phantasmal Image works quite well too)

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i was thinking of ways to add that land to boros humans but the mana gets tricky esp if yr trying to use the new W/R utility land as well? im sure itll be useful but i wonder if itll be as powerful as some ppl are predicting, i guess.

i think i may be able to play the prerelease tho so im excited again lol

Lamp, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link

yeah some spanish site spoiled a shitload of the common/uncommon limited fodder yesterday so i'm getting all excited for drafting this now and trying to find the cool synergies etc. so far all my favorite limited cards are in blue it seems

ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

yeah stuff like tandem lookout seems p powerful in sealed/draft. in general u/r seems interesting

Lamp, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link

I can't figure out if soulbound is going to be tons of fun or if it's just going to make for incredibly complex board states. Say your opponent's got four creatures out, three with soulbound, and you're trying to figure out how to block...yikes

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link

full spoiler is up on the main site. set looks pretty good for limited, at first glance the power level of the commons/uncommons seems really low for a modern set but i'm sure some of them will play stronger than they look. removal looks worse than innistrad's, which was already pretty bad, so that makes me think the format's going to be all about combat tricks with the soulbound guys, and trying to blow out your opponent in combat without getting blown out yourself.

ciderpress, Monday, 23 April 2012 13:19 (eleven years ago) link

i'll wait to pass judgement until the prerelease, but right now my feeling is that drafting decks that abuse soulbound as well as the blue/white Flickering ability are going to work well. and for that, I feel like Black will be very underdrafted.

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Monday, 23 April 2012 13:43 (eleven years ago) link

IATEE

do we MAGIC tonight?
should get there around 5:30-6.. i have to find decks but i am p sure i know where they are now.

one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 23 April 2012 14:45 (eleven years ago) link

ahhh I gotta googleproof that

but yeah that time works great for me

iatee, Monday, 23 April 2012 14:47 (eleven years ago) link

I'm excited I haven't played magic irl since jr high

iatee, Monday, 23 April 2012 14:51 (eleven years ago) link

where are you guys playing?

Mordy, Monday, 23 April 2012 14:56 (eleven years ago) link

there is this big weekly event that happens in one of those midtown indoor sorta-public spaces

iatee, Monday, 23 April 2012 14:58 (eleven years ago) link

citigroup center iirc.
sorry for lack of g-proof.

one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link

yeah 53rd and lex

iatee, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:01 (eleven years ago) link

oh, i hated in NYC that there was no good place to game. Jim Henley's was blah, and all the other gaming/collectibles places were way too small to do anything (like Forbidden Planet, that other place in midtown, Midtown Comics, etc).

Mordy, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link

the 20 Sided Storw in williamsburg was PACKED with teens playing when i hit it up a few weeks ago.

one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:09 (eleven years ago) link

^^^ magic events there are p well attended ime (which is admittedly limited)

i laughed when i saw that they remade castle in the latest set since its one of my favorite magic cards

Lamp, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:15 (eleven years ago) link

I think u guys should make a short documentary film abt this experince and post it here

lag∞n, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:19 (eleven years ago) link

otm

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link

i hated going to brooklyn. too much travel time from washington heights

Mordy, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link

if you're limiting your new york experience based on things like "too much travel time from washington heights" then i just don't know what to say.

one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link

okay, i can't find my decks where i thought they were. gonna continue looking. might be at work, in which case i will stop over there later. i cld swear i moved them from my last apt directly to here tho, so i am gonna keep digging in the closets.

one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:09 (eleven years ago) link

!! okay here's hoping

iatee, Monday, 23 April 2012 16:11 (eleven years ago) link

this is why i should have made sure to find them after last time i couldn't find them before the day of the event
i am a big procrastinator/lazy.
BUT i do feel in my gut that they are here somewhere, and the closet is very overfull.

one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:12 (eleven years ago) link

if you're limiting your new york experience based on things like "too much travel time from washington heights" then i just don't know what to say.

Lol my NY experience. I lived there for ~13 years.

Mordy, Monday, 23 April 2012 16:30 (eleven years ago) link

but what % of that time was spent playing magic in a citibank building

iatee, Monday, 23 April 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link

is the real question

iatee, Monday, 23 April 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link


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