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Anyone still play it, or any other collectable card game? Even if it were not designed to extract huge amounts of money from players, it is an extreme dud. And it has the most absurdly complex rules for anything I have ever seen.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Me and a few mates used to play a supremley bastardized version of Portal (you know, Magic for beginners?), simply using the cards we had and discarding all kinds of rules. It was enormous fun.

We tried to revive it this year but the school we go to now has serious players who came and wanted to play w/ us and they were very anal about all the rules and also they actually had decks with, y'know, a strategy. Plus protection for all the cards and they wouldn't stop talking about rare cards and such- I'm a geek, but ya gotta draw the line somewhere. So now it's dud.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

More dud than genital warts. At least genital warts implies sex.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

That sentence was supposed to go "At least genital warts implies sex has been had at some point in your life." Ooops.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:15 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

>We tried to revive it this year but the school we go to now has serious players

Yeah, Magic is a game that completely falls apart when people start to take it seriously. It quickly becomes that only certain cards in certain types of decks have a chance of winning, and often in very boring, cheepo, lucky-draw fashion.

Casual play is ok, but is still too expensive.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Lots of fun if played with somewhat random decks but totally sux if anyone's taking it seriously. The whole suspended reality thing hits me pretty hard so I really get into the cards.

toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:35 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm still into the casual play aspect and mostly out of competitive play. Expensiveness of it all = clearly dud though.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 06:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

There was a pretty funny article in Salon a couple years ago about the early days at Wizards of the Coast, which apparently resembled a geek version of Fellini's Satiricon, before the company went and sold out to THE MAN.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

ok here goes.

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.

when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.

i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

oh and just for the record i don't play anymore and haven't touched a card in about four years.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.

Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Tournament rules are for people who actually know all the instant-kill power card combinations. And tournament rules are constantly changing because people figure out new ones.

fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

dude i was like fifteen ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I sold all my cards to some dork for like $20.
I still sometime would like to play, but alas; it is too expensive.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

dude i was like fifteen ...

Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

If we judge a game by its players, and I judge this by the few people I've ever met or seen who play it, it's as dud as it comes. (This is not meant to comment on the people here, none of whom I have met.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I used to play... PROFESSIONALLY. How sad is that? You can make good money at it to be honest. The saddest thing most times are people who play it. It's 90-95% male, they're all super homophobes too. I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition.. and to get pictures of me in em in Magic publications (yes, there are a few). I enjoyed the game and the rules, and I met some good people along the way. The best part about Magic players is that they are willing to play almost anything.. so once you get fed up with Magic (which everyone does), they will try any other activity or game (Set, Settlers of Cataan), and jump on it.

I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?

Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

This is an internet message board Christopher = we are all geeks.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

it's fun, if you have money to waste and friends that don't take it seriously.

webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition..

Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Let's make that a little clearer... heh.

A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.

What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.

Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Who up in this bitch fancies a game of memory M:TG*? I'm bored.

* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I used to play a lot around 14-16 and did pretty good, but when I think
of all the money I spent on cards that just sit in boxes up in my closet
I get all teary-eyed. Those should be records sitting idle, not cards!

stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Dud as hell. When I was 12 or 13 or so I went with my friend (who was into Magic cards at the time) to a Magic the Gathering "tournament" being held at the local Barnes & Noble. While my friend was playing Magic with someone, I walked around watching the others in attendance. At one table this guy playing said something like "I'm playing the Wall of Flame card". This other guy at the table said, "I'm gonna play the Wall of Pubic Hair card, hehehehhehe" in this horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voice. That was when I realized that there were people far nerdier than I could ever be.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
The game itself = Classic: it will be around for years to come, probably our nerdier kids will be into it or some incarnation of it.

The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.

Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I can't believe I never posted to this thread. I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.

ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

http://images.boardgamegeek.com/images/pic93875_t.jpg

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i went 3-1 with golgari, it was solid but super boring compared to the first 2 ravnica iterations, they replaced the shoveling stuff into your graveyard with incremental trading and sacrificing, doesn't really feel any different than a generic core set GB strategy. pretty disappointing. there's also no raise dead effect at common in the golgari set which is ???

meanwhile dimir has like 50 surveil cards and lots of payoffs for it

more interested in standard than limited for this one

ciderpress, Monday, 1 October 2018 21:10 (two months ago) Permalink

It would be cool if standard turbo surveil works as a deck.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 05:52 (two months ago) Permalink

hard for it to be turbo when it's 1 or 2 on most cards, past standard dredge decks needed to put 3-4 cards in the gy per enabler spell to work properly

ciderpress, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 12:16 (two months ago) Permalink

imo surveil, at least how it has been implemented in this set, is too strong and dimir is the clear strongest guild as a result. mostly i think the problem is that it doesn't have a cost - it's put on cards that could easily be, or that we've actually seen recently, at the same rate without it.

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 12:32 (two months ago) Permalink

that's fair though...Dimir was super weak in Gatecrash, which was kinda nice since everyone knew it was weak so it was always open

frogbs, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 12:43 (two months ago) Permalink

I didn't even feel like 'dimir is always open' got you much, since the best dimir deck was at par with an okay boros deck

but yeah, surveil as an ability is just 'you get way better card selection' which is already pure upside, you don't have to do anything to make that good. but then they loaded a bunch of bonuses on top of that (and this creature gets bigger!)

so far the dimir decks I've played have weirdly felt like blue decks in legacy. half the deck is card selection so you never draw another land when you don't want to, and you have a massive amount of virtual card advantage (plus actual card advantage with that 2/3 common, disinformation campaign etc.) I haven't figured out whether that means you can cheat on lands and go down to 16 sometimes, since you can generally burn through your deck to find lands when you need to. but at the same time dimir removal is expensive and maybe you just want to ensure you hit your early land drops, and surveil is your flood insurance, so maybe you play even more lands. or maybe these things cancel out and you play 17 lands.

iatee, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 14:18 (two months ago) Permalink

but yeah, surveil as an ability is just 'you get way better card selection' which is already pure upside, you don't have to do anything to make that good. but then they loaded a bunch of bonuses on top of that (and this creature gets bigger!)

yep, plus I think they have a high percentage of cards that surveil or get bonuses. seems like every Dimir deck will be a Surveil deck and will want the build-arounds, whereas Golgari can go Undergrowth or not, Izzet doesn't want every Jump-start card, etc. Dimir seems like the clear best guild, but I've also played this set zero times so far so my opinion is totally unqualified

Vinnie, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 14:40 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah that's what i was getting at with my previous post, dimir is the only guild in this set where this iteration of it is more exciting than its versions in the previous 2 ravnicas and it feels like they've seriously overcompensated for gatecrash

ciderpress, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 17:06 (two months ago) Permalink

like even just looking through the card file before playing anything gave the impression that this is The Dimir Set, their mechanic shows up way more than the 10-12ish cards guild mechanics usually get

ciderpress, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 17:09 (two months ago) Permalink

just to back up my point, # of cards with mechanic word on them in large rav sets:

RAV
convoke - 15
radiance - 10
dredge - 12
transmute - 12

RTR
populate - 11
overload - 12
detain - 9
scavenge - 10
unleash - 11

GTC
battalion - 11
cipher - 11
bloodrush - 11
extort - 11
evolve - 11

GRN
convoke - 14
jump-start - 10
undergrowth - 12
mentor - 13
surveil - 28

real curious what their internal justification was for this big of a break with the rav formula for a single guild

ciderpress, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 17:33 (two months ago) Permalink

Could be they see it as a replacement for cycling in standard, a plentiful way to smooth out draws, and reduce the luck factor a bit.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:30 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah I don't think it's fair to compare surveil - which is really just scry - to stuff like populate and cipher

the problem isn't that it's everywhere, the problem is that the payoffs seem a little too good and the cards are undercosted. you don't need a payoff for scrying.

iatee, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:36 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah i think if there was one payoff card at each rarity it'd be fine but there's like 5 uncommon ones which is insane

ciderpress, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:41 (two months ago) Permalink

just have the spybug and the enchantment that +2s your surveils, that's enough

ciderpress, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:42 (two months ago) Permalink

convoke - 14
jump-start - 10
undergrowth - 12
mentor - 13
surveil - 28

Jeez, this is nuts

Vinnie, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 01:17 (two months ago) Permalink

And I know that they intend for Izzet and Golgari decks to use Surveil cards too, but still that's so out of balance

Vinnie, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 01:18 (two months ago) Permalink

can't believe they printed a red tarmogoyf this rules so much

ciderpress, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 14:08 (two months ago) Permalink

Feeling really smart right now. I've been playing Deafening Clarion in all my standard decks since rotation and only just realized I can choose both modes.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 18 October 2018 23:45 (one month ago) Permalink

Not really your fault, it's a very unintuitive card. Seems like one of those cards Maro would use as an example of poor card design

I only figured out Soul-Scar Mage allows you to kill Hazoret and Rhonas AFTER the PT, long after I had dismissed the card for being underpowered

Vinnie, Friday, 19 October 2018 01:32 (one month ago) Permalink

There have been literally dozens of times when I've cast it lamented not be able to use both modes, especially with my jeskai drakes deck.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 19 October 2018 02:19 (one month ago) Permalink

So Revitalize is essentially Cryptic Command printed at common for 1W, huh?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:30 (one month ago) Permalink

it's no runeboggle

ciderpress, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:34 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't know 3 mana for force spike/draw seems pretty steep, lol

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:37 (one month ago) Permalink

one month passes...

they're making some major organized play announcement tied in with the game awards tonight which i assume means a mtg arena based pro circuit

ciderpress, Thursday, 6 December 2018 14:24 (one week ago) Permalink

Intriguing, I've been playing a huge amount of arena, it's been a real game changer for me. I don't really play other video games, but I'm planning to get a cheap graphics card just to give it a bit of a boost. If there ends up being real competitive play on there, I may well need to step it up.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 6 December 2018 14:32 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah pro-level arena tournaments seems inevitable, the question is how hard they're willing to go both in terms of $ and in terms of replacing the pro tour / gps as a focus point for the game.

iatee, Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:27 (one week ago) Permalink

it would honestly be good for spectators, the twitch overlay for arena that pops up all the card images seems like a big deal for getting the game watchable for lapsed or less invested players

ciderpress, Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:33 (one week ago) Permalink

Arena has been a boon for magic streamers, I think people will absolutely tune into high level Arena competitions.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:40 (one week ago) Permalink

Wow, shit ton of changes. I was gonna joke that MTGA tournaments will eventually spell the end of the PT as we know it, but they went way beyond what I thought they would, almost completely changing the pro structure. And back to 4 PTs, lol

Vinnie, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:12 (one week ago) Permalink

how's MTGO been lately? should I think about selling out?

frogbs, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:12 (one week ago) Permalink

It has to be pretty jarring for pros the way they constantly go back and forth on these decisions.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:30 (one week ago) Permalink

xp yeah seems like the value of cards is dropping a lot, queues not firing, etc. I haven't been on it much, just reading what players are saying

Vinnie, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:01 (one week ago) Permalink

wait does this undo the new 6 PT system they just made earlier this year?

ciderpress, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:26 (one week ago) Permalink

that's some whiplash

ciderpress, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:27 (one week ago) Permalink

just peeped some MTGO prices and wow

my account has a bunch of playpoints in it, what do you do with those? just sell the account and someone takes over? how could I do such a thing?

frogbs, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:36 (one week ago) Permalink

you could just enter a bunch of sealed leagues or drafts and convert the play points into cards & then sell. idk how much of a market there is for accounts

(° . ° )― (Lamp), Friday, 7 December 2018 18:41 (one week ago) Permalink

I have like 7000 of them, this might take a long time :)

frogbs, Friday, 7 December 2018 18:48 (one week ago) Permalink

Cardhoarder has apparently even stopped buying tickets or singles for cash (temporarily), so I don't know if you would get a lot for your acct

I've got like 100 tix left, and I'll probably try to just play a bunch of cube from here on out. If everyone's going to Arena for the new sets, they won't be able to justify keeping MTGO online for more than a year longer, I think. Not enough money flowing into the system

Vinnie, Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:52 (one week ago) Permalink

there's probably a nonzero chance they'll "buy out" old MTGO accounts if they really do intend on shutting it down

frogbs, Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:55 (one week ago) Permalink

i have like a standard and a modern deck's worth of tix on there, just gonna wait it out i think since i dont think anyones gonna buy at a good price right now and if i can get a shitload of arena currency for it then thats fine with me

ciderpress, Saturday, 8 December 2018 02:29 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah pro-level arena tournaments seems inevitable, the question is how hard they're willing to go both in terms of $ and in terms of replacing the pro tour / gps as a focus point for the game.


they went pretty hard...

iatee, Saturday, 8 December 2018 03:27 (one week ago) Permalink

prediction: serious rules overhaul in the next year which makes the game more arena-friendly

iatee, Saturday, 8 December 2018 03:49 (one week ago) Permalink

What kind of rules changes do you have in mind?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 8 December 2018 03:55 (one week ago) Permalink

if it were up to me the two big ones would be to vastly simplify combat and to merge untap/upkeep/draw

iatee, Saturday, 8 December 2018 04:09 (one week ago) Permalink

magic has a lot of dumb rules but 'phases are too weird and complicated' are the most relevant to arena

iatee, Saturday, 8 December 2018 04:11 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah there's at least 3 priority

ciderpress, Saturday, 8 December 2018 05:51 (one week ago) Permalink

err priority passes per turn that you can just get rid of without really impacting the game much

ciderpress, Saturday, 8 December 2018 05:51 (one week ago) Permalink

Would love to merge untap/upkeep/draw, but I think that's basically saying Arena will never have older cards

End of combat seems like an easy one to eliminate though. Yes, it affects play but the times you need to do something end of combat are quite rare

Vinnie, Saturday, 8 December 2018 08:35 (one week ago) Permalink

Have been enjoying Arena. Haven't experienced any bugs personally since the beta opened and they're making incremental improvements the whole time. Meanwhile, I fired up mtgo for the first time in a while for UMA and filed for reimbursement on my first event.

Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 8 December 2018 10:16 (one week ago) Permalink

start of combat can be eliminated too, it does affect gameplay in that you have to use tappers before the opponent's last chance to play things precombat but if we're already streamlining the game with major functional changes then i think it's fine. you could even get rid of the priority pass between declare attacks and declare blocks without changing the core gameplay of magic combat though it would have bigger ramifications than the others

ciderpress, Saturday, 8 December 2018 17:48 (one week ago) Permalink


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