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Anyone still play it, or any other collectable card game? Even if it were not designed to extract huge amounts of money from players, it is an extreme dud. And it has the most absurdly complex rules for anything I have ever seen.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Me and a few mates used to play a supremley bastardized version of Portal (you know, Magic for beginners?), simply using the cards we had and discarding all kinds of rules. It was enormous fun.

We tried to revive it this year but the school we go to now has serious players who came and wanted to play w/ us and they were very anal about all the rules and also they actually had decks with, y'know, a strategy. Plus protection for all the cards and they wouldn't stop talking about rare cards and such- I'm a geek, but ya gotta draw the line somewhere. So now it's dud.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link

More dud than genital warts. At least genital warts implies sex.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

That sentence was supposed to go "At least genital warts implies sex has been had at some point in your life." Ooops.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

>We tried to revive it this year but the school we go to now has serious players

Yeah, Magic is a game that completely falls apart when people start to take it seriously. It quickly becomes that only certain cards in certain types of decks have a chance of winning, and often in very boring, cheepo, lucky-draw fashion.

Casual play is ok, but is still too expensive.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Lots of fun if played with somewhat random decks but totally sux if anyone's taking it seriously. The whole suspended reality thing hits me pretty hard so I really get into the cards.

toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm still into the casual play aspect and mostly out of competitive play. Expensiveness of it all = clearly dud though.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 06:14 (eighteen years ago) link

There was a pretty funny article in Salon a couple years ago about the early days at Wizards of the Coast, which apparently resembled a geek version of Fellini's Satiricon, before the company went and sold out to THE MAN.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (eighteen years ago) link

ok here goes.

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.

when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.

i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

oh and just for the record i don't play anymore and haven't touched a card in about four years.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.

Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Tournament rules are for people who actually know all the instant-kill power card combinations. And tournament rules are constantly changing because people figure out new ones.

fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

dude i was like fifteen ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I sold all my cards to some dork for like $20.
I still sometime would like to play, but alas; it is too expensive.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (eighteen years ago) link

dude i was like fifteen ...

Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (eighteen years ago) link

If we judge a game by its players, and I judge this by the few people I've ever met or seen who play it, it's as dud as it comes. (This is not meant to comment on the people here, none of whom I have met.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to play... PROFESSIONALLY. How sad is that? You can make good money at it to be honest. The saddest thing most times are people who play it. It's 90-95% male, they're all super homophobes too. I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition.. and to get pictures of me in em in Magic publications (yes, there are a few). I enjoyed the game and the rules, and I met some good people along the way. The best part about Magic players is that they are willing to play almost anything.. so once you get fed up with Magic (which everyone does), they will try any other activity or game (Set, Settlers of Cataan), and jump on it.

I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?

Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

This is an internet message board Christopher = we are all geeks.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (eighteen years ago) link

it's fun, if you have money to waste and friends that don't take it seriously.

webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition..

Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Let's make that a little clearer... heh.

A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.

What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.

Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Who up in this bitch fancies a game of memory M:TG*? I'm bored.

* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (sixteen years ago) link

I used to play a lot around 14-16 and did pretty good, but when I think
of all the money I spent on cards that just sit in boxes up in my closet
I get all teary-eyed. Those should be records sitting idle, not cards!

stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Dud as hell. When I was 12 or 13 or so I went with my friend (who was into Magic cards at the time) to a Magic the Gathering "tournament" being held at the local Barnes & Noble. While my friend was playing Magic with someone, I walked around watching the others in attendance. At one table this guy playing said something like "I'm playing the Wall of Flame card". This other guy at the table said, "I'm gonna play the Wall of Pubic Hair card, hehehehhehe" in this horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voice. That was when I realized that there were people far nerdier than I could ever be.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...
The game itself = Classic: it will be around for years to come, probably our nerdier kids will be into it or some incarnation of it.

The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.

Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (sixteen years ago) link

I can't believe I never posted to this thread. I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...

i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.

ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link

a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link

also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link

We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link

ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link

http://images.boardgamegeek.com/images/pic93875_t.jpg

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah this set's pretty good. it's not a throwback to ice age though (they did that already years ago with Coldsnap) so much as it's a new wintry setting

the showcase versions of the legendary creatures are pretty cool in this one: https://scryfall.com/search?order=set&q=set%3Akhm+frame%3Ashowcase&unique=prints
and some of the arts for the saga cards are actual physical wood reliefs rather than paintings: https://scryfall.com/search?q=set%3Akhm+type%3Asaga&unique=prints&as=grid&order=set

ciderpress, Sunday, 31 January 2021 15:19 (one month ago) link

ah yea it figures. a proper Ice Age throwback would have to include Icy Manipulator, wouldn't it.

thank u for the links. i hadn't seen these showcase frames. to my eye they look silly on a computer screen, but i bet they look gr8 on paper. and it's neat that WoTC commissioned some woodworking craftspeople for the sagas. those translated really well to the digital format. it would be so sick to hang one of the originals in yr game room. i wonder where they'll end up, probably Hasbro HQ f0rever huh.

this set is fun in the limited formats so far. after a several humiliating attempts i finally got to 7 wins on arena in sealed, so i've moved on to sucking at drafting.

davey, Monday, 1 February 2021 21:02 (one month ago) link

yeah this is definitely a fun Limited format, I think it beats the last two. though I second cider's complaint that there are a ton of uncommons that feel like rares. and the snow mechanic feels kind of weird, it feels like a quarter of Coldsnap made it into the set somehow. though I suspect it plays much better in draft than Sealed

frogbs, Monday, 1 February 2021 21:13 (one month ago) link

yeah it doesn't seem like a great sealed set because of how snow works - you either want lots or none and sealed gives you something in the middle

ciderpress, Monday, 1 February 2021 21:19 (one month ago) link

some of the snow stuff still works in Sealed, don't forget about all the common snow taplands. that said I kinda view it as a positive since the snow decks look incredibly frustrating to play against

frogbs, Monday, 1 February 2021 21:25 (one month ago) link

well in draft the non-snow decks have higher power level too, it works out

ciderpress, Monday, 1 February 2021 21:26 (one month ago) link

fwiw I do suspect that in a couple weeks half the decks in Sealed will be 4-color snow

frogbs, Monday, 1 February 2021 22:38 (one month ago) link

Yeah I usually like how snow plays out in draft (including in this set) but don't like it in sealed or constructed formats. Still undecided how much I like Kaldheim but I do miss the Zendikar Modal DFC

Vinnie, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:10 (one month ago) link

Obv I mean the ones that are lands on one side

Vinnie, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:31 (one month ago) link

I miss them too, with this set comes the realization that sometimes a one-land hand is just a one-land hand

this set feels very Cube-ish, not just in that it's swingy but also because there are a ton of powerful, high-impact cards at uncommon - very good legendary creatures, the Sagas which can be tremendous value, even the lands which can sacrifice for a pretty big effect. also it kind of welcomes playing 3 or 4 colors so you see a lot of decks that can do a ton of crazy shit.

not wild about the fact that there are 2 board sweepers, was kind of nice that the last set didn't have any

frogbs, Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:28 (one month ago) link

also I strongly suspect in a week or two the format's gonna be all 4-color snow & W/R aggro boast decks

frogbs, Thursday, 4 February 2021 22:51 (one month ago) link

by which I mean Equipment decks, as the RW uncommon legend & the Runesearching equipment are pretty nutso

frogbs, Thursday, 4 February 2021 22:57 (one month ago) link

As a weaker player I love and rely on the board-sweepers.

tangent x (tangenttangent), Thursday, 4 February 2021 22:57 (one month ago) link

also I just found out that Valki is going for 92 tix (!!!!!!) so I am really trying to scrub out of this league fast so I can sell it

frogbs, Thursday, 4 February 2021 22:58 (one month ago) link

everyone switched to arena for draft so mtgo has supply issues for new cards playable in modern/legacy

ciderpress, Friday, 5 February 2021 00:05 (one month ago) link

also why is Tibalt's Trickery valuable? what are people planning do to with it?

frogbs, Friday, 5 February 2021 03:39 (one month ago) link

people are playing gimmick decks where they use it to cast a turn 2 ugin in standard, or cascade into a turn 3 emrakul in modern. these decks fizzle half the time and auto-lose to any counterspell but some folks just want to flip coins for wins

ciderpress, Friday, 5 February 2021 04:15 (one month ago) link

hah best of luck to 'em

gotta say I dig the "randomly mill 1-3 cards" thing, makes it feel like blackjack

frogbs, Friday, 5 February 2021 04:19 (one month ago) link

to clarify, the modern deck is: 4 violent outburst, 1 tibalt's trickery, 4 emrakuls, and then 51 lands of various utility (cycling, etc). you mulligan to violent outburst and then cast it on turn 3 and it hits trickery which counters it and turns it into an emrakul. if you can't find a violent outburst you lose, if your trickery gets countered you lose.

ciderpress, Friday, 5 February 2021 04:20 (one month ago) link

obviously if you get thoughtseized you probably lose too, have to draw another one of your 3 outbursts

ciderpress, Friday, 5 February 2021 04:21 (one month ago) link

yeah I cannot see that deck having any tournament success once it's out in the wild

frogbs, Friday, 5 February 2021 04:24 (one month ago) link

and yet if I worked for the DCI I'd ban it for being too stupid

frogbs, Friday, 5 February 2021 04:27 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

this might be the most skill intensive non-Cube limited format I've ever played. there are so many weird little things you have to keep track of. even how you tap your lands matters a lot.

frogbs, Saturday, 20 February 2021 18:42 (two weeks ago) link

yes. there's a great many subtleties and i haven't quite got it wired. i've made a couple entries into this weekend's arena open and gotten wrecked.

davey, Saturday, 20 February 2021 20:19 (two weeks ago) link

the snow decks are really strong but its a headache to play through the board stall-y mirror matches they create so i've mostly been drafting aggro

ciderpress, Saturday, 20 February 2021 21:34 (two weeks ago) link

I've only played the format a small amount so far, but I've been disappointed by how many long board stall games I've had. I used to enjoy that type of game more but Arena has really changed my preferences

Vinnie, Saturday, 20 February 2021 23:00 (two weeks ago) link

Also I was shocked to start seeing Strixhaven previews. I know we're not in preview season yet but I don't think I even know all the Kaldhiem cards yet!

Vinnie, Saturday, 20 February 2021 23:02 (two weeks ago) link

the relentless barrage of new sets plus the constant overly pushed cards that require bannings has really put me off of playing in general. The main thing I miss at the moment is the social aspect of drafting in person, and that's not happening any time soon.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Saturday, 20 February 2021 23:12 (two weeks ago) link

theres still the same 4 "real" sets per year as there always was, they just do a million supplemental products now. i ignore them

ciderpress, Saturday, 20 February 2021 23:21 (two weeks ago) link

this is true, and I mostly ignored the other stuff too, but the ramping up on Modern-relevant sets made that more difficult

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Saturday, 20 February 2021 23:24 (two weeks ago) link

I've only played the format a small amount so far, but I've been disappointed by how many long board stall games I've had. I used to enjoy that type of game more but Arena has really changed my preferences

― Vinnie, Saturday, February 20, 2021 5:00 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah definitely noticed I have to leave like 40 minutes open to play a match, I’ve had to concede a few cuz they took way too long and I had things to do

One thing that makes this set extra complex is a bunch of creatures have types like “Elf Berserker” where both elves and berserkers have their own tribal shit going on

frogbs, Sunday, 21 February 2021 01:20 (one week ago) link

most of the tribal cards are at rare so you don't have to pay attention to it much unless you take one to draft around. the only playable common that cares about tribal is Squash

ciderpress, Sunday, 21 February 2021 01:23 (one week ago) link

got destroyed at the Open today, very discouraging

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 21 February 2021 01:44 (one week ago) link

I suppose it doesn't help that every other uncommon has like 3 paragraphs of text on it

frogbs, Sunday, 21 February 2021 02:27 (one week ago) link

its certainly been a real trial by fire set to get back into drafting with. not a favorite but i don't think it's a stinker either

ciderpress, Sunday, 21 February 2021 02:55 (one week ago) link

Sad that I missed the first limited Arena Open (I really, really miss limited GPs) but the timing of the Opens is always a little rough for me here in Asia. But I probably couldn't have helped myself from rebuying like five times, so guess I saved myself some money?

Vinnie, Sunday, 21 February 2021 09:49 (one week ago) link

i qualified for day 2, and, yes, i think it was like the fifth try lol smdh @ myself. here in honolulu, entry for the second day is from 4am — 6am, so i will be pulling an all-nighter. ahaha, aha. god help me.

davey, Sunday, 21 February 2021 11:33 (one week ago) link

Congrats! I think you've got a worse time zone than me for this

Vinnie, Sunday, 21 February 2021 11:39 (one week ago) link

thank you. yea, 4am is just about the least convenient time... 25 minutes until showtime and i am inebriated enough to not give a shit that the format is sealed deck and luck is going to be the major deciding factor ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

davey, Sunday, 21 February 2021 13:39 (one week ago) link

i don't really understand why they have a 2 hour window to check in when you can play the matches at any time during the day

ciderpress, Sunday, 21 February 2021 15:08 (one week ago) link

that struck me as odd, too. i'd guess it might be to get people in the door early so players won't be waiting around for pairings, but idk.

davey, Sunday, 21 February 2021 15:24 (one week ago) link

or, more likely, it's because it's (up to) 7 best-of-three matches, and that could take close to 10 hours including breaks and such

davey, Sunday, 21 February 2021 15:30 (one week ago) link

went 4-2. almost every match was super close. i had a really good pool, but my own sweeper ended up losing it for me in the last one, owing to my forgetting about that dumb troll that can make itself indestructible. ah well. it was lots of fun. it turns out i like this level of play. this was my first time and i'm probably going to do more of these.

davey, Sunday, 21 February 2021 20:04 (one week ago) link

i'm looking forward to the next constructed one now that i have some decks. not a huge fan of sealed in most sets and this one's no exception

ciderpress, Sunday, 21 February 2021 21:32 (one week ago) link

just lived the dream and 0-9'd a Sealed league

frogbs, Friday, 26 February 2021 15:19 (one week ago) link

I've kinda gotten back into the groove of enjoying long matches, so now I'm *thumbs up* on Kaldheim. Though still probably happier when RW comes together and I can finish the draft in half the time

Vinnie, Friday, 26 February 2021 16:00 (one week ago) link

kaldheim definitely plays against my strengths as a drafter since some of the 'open lanes' are just really weak even when you're getting all the cards e.g. WB midrange is always open but can't beat much. in most sets after my initial exploration i like to find an underappreciated deck and get really good at drafting it but i haven't found one here.

ciderpress, Friday, 26 February 2021 16:12 (one week ago) link

basically, battlefield raptor + goldvein pick, tuskeri firewalker + run amok, and icehide troll + berg strider are the only 3 winning ideas at common, everything else requires specific higher rarity cards to come together

ciderpress, Friday, 26 February 2021 16:20 (one week ago) link

sarulf's packmate is the best common by far because the power level is high and you can put it in all 3 of those decks

ciderpress, Friday, 26 February 2021 16:23 (one week ago) link

Yeah I get what you're saying. You do get forced into W-based aggro, R-based aggro, or snow most of the time (I'd also add UR to that, which sometimes goes more controlling), and so far I've had no success with black except as a secondary color, usually for powerful uncommons/rares. Feed the Serpent would usually be a top 5 common in a set, but the double black commits you to a color you just don't want to be in. In spite of that, I have felt there's enough variation in the play of the games to enjoy it. Snow in particular can draft and play quite differently depending on what you open

Vinnie, Saturday, 27 February 2021 00:41 (one week ago) link


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