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Anyone still play it, or any other collectable card game? Even if it were not designed to extract huge amounts of money from players, it is an extreme dud. And it has the most absurdly complex rules for anything I have ever seen.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Me and a few mates used to play a supremley bastardized version of Portal (you know, Magic for beginners?), simply using the cards we had and discarding all kinds of rules. It was enormous fun.

We tried to revive it this year but the school we go to now has serious players who came and wanted to play w/ us and they were very anal about all the rules and also they actually had decks with, y'know, a strategy. Plus protection for all the cards and they wouldn't stop talking about rare cards and such- I'm a geek, but ya gotta draw the line somewhere. So now it's dud.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link

More dud than genital warts. At least genital warts implies sex.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

That sentence was supposed to go "At least genital warts implies sex has been had at some point in your life." Ooops.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

>We tried to revive it this year but the school we go to now has serious players

Yeah, Magic is a game that completely falls apart when people start to take it seriously. It quickly becomes that only certain cards in certain types of decks have a chance of winning, and often in very boring, cheepo, lucky-draw fashion.

Casual play is ok, but is still too expensive.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Lots of fun if played with somewhat random decks but totally sux if anyone's taking it seriously. The whole suspended reality thing hits me pretty hard so I really get into the cards.

toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm still into the casual play aspect and mostly out of competitive play. Expensiveness of it all = clearly dud though.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 06:14 (eighteen years ago) link

There was a pretty funny article in Salon a couple years ago about the early days at Wizards of the Coast, which apparently resembled a geek version of Fellini's Satiricon, before the company went and sold out to THE MAN.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (eighteen years ago) link

ok here goes.

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.

when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.

i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

oh and just for the record i don't play anymore and haven't touched a card in about four years.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.

Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Tournament rules are for people who actually know all the instant-kill power card combinations. And tournament rules are constantly changing because people figure out new ones.

fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

dude i was like fifteen ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I sold all my cards to some dork for like $20.
I still sometime would like to play, but alas; it is too expensive.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (eighteen years ago) link

dude i was like fifteen ...

Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (eighteen years ago) link

If we judge a game by its players, and I judge this by the few people I've ever met or seen who play it, it's as dud as it comes. (This is not meant to comment on the people here, none of whom I have met.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to play... PROFESSIONALLY. How sad is that? You can make good money at it to be honest. The saddest thing most times are people who play it. It's 90-95% male, they're all super homophobes too. I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition.. and to get pictures of me in em in Magic publications (yes, there are a few). I enjoyed the game and the rules, and I met some good people along the way. The best part about Magic players is that they are willing to play almost anything.. so once you get fed up with Magic (which everyone does), they will try any other activity or game (Set, Settlers of Cataan), and jump on it.

I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?

Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

This is an internet message board Christopher = we are all geeks.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (eighteen years ago) link

it's fun, if you have money to waste and friends that don't take it seriously.

webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition..

Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Let's make that a little clearer... heh.

A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.

What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.

Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Who up in this bitch fancies a game of memory M:TG*? I'm bored.

* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I used to play a lot around 14-16 and did pretty good, but when I think
of all the money I spent on cards that just sit in boxes up in my closet
I get all teary-eyed. Those should be records sitting idle, not cards!

stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Dud as hell. When I was 12 or 13 or so I went with my friend (who was into Magic cards at the time) to a Magic the Gathering "tournament" being held at the local Barnes & Noble. While my friend was playing Magic with someone, I walked around watching the others in attendance. At one table this guy playing said something like "I'm playing the Wall of Flame card". This other guy at the table said, "I'm gonna play the Wall of Pubic Hair card, hehehehhehe" in this horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voice. That was when I realized that there were people far nerdier than I could ever be.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
The game itself = Classic: it will be around for years to come, probably our nerdier kids will be into it or some incarnation of it.

The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.

Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (sixteen years ago) link

I can't believe I never posted to this thread. I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...

i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.

ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link

a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link

also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link

We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link

ok these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Aggro is still common in recent draft formats but the nature of sealed formats has always made aggro difficult. you need a very specific set of cards. I can count on one hand the sealed formats I remember where aggro was often viable - Zendikar, Gatecrash, Ixalan

Vinnie, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 00:43 (two months ago) link

I'm liking Strixhaven so far (three drafts in). UG has been the most fun, tons of synergy cards and huge tokens. In UR, I had some bonkers turns with Storm-Kiln Artist. LSV on stream pulled off a Grapeshot for five, wiped the opponent's board, and attacked for 11 with it!

Vinnie, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 00:52 (two months ago) link

yea I really dig how the nuts things you can do in this set are fundamentally different than what you get in most other Limited formats

frogbs, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 01:08 (two months ago) link

Yeah it has a different feel. The Mystical Archive cards also contribute to that - unexpected moments because I haven't learned all the cards they brought back yet. Very Time Spiral in feel

Vinnie, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 01:24 (two months ago) link

love the artwork on those

frogbs, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 01:27 (two months ago) link

I'm currently playing a U/R deck in Sealed with 4 creature cards in it, it's pretty wild. No clue if it's good or not but I can definitely say I've never played a deck like this in Limited before. Also my deck contains both a Shock and a Lightning Bolt. I love this set

frogbs, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 15:29 (one month ago) link

two of those creatures don't really attack much either. the other 2 are Storm-Kiln Artists. I mostly win by using Learn spells to generate tokens

frogbs, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 15:46 (one month ago) link

Yeah creature-light decks are viable this time around. I thought Codie, Vociferous Codex would be straight up unplayable in draft but if turns out to be amazing if you're in that spell-heavy type of deck

Vinnie, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 23:38 (one month ago) link

idk about draft pick orders but I feel like Environmental Sciences is a card every deck wants to have. it's saved my ass so many times

frogbs, Thursday, 29 April 2021 18:05 (one month ago) link

you will be pleased to learn that it is the highest pick common then in draft (or should be, dunno if everyones on board yet)

ciderpress, Thursday, 29 April 2021 19:18 (one month ago) link

it may be boring but adding mana fixing to 20 cards in the set lets you draft a much more powerful deck and the earlier you have it the earlier you can act on that

ciderpress, Thursday, 29 April 2021 19:20 (one month ago) link

I've also found it's hard too have ~~too much~~ land in this set

frogbs, Thursday, 29 April 2021 20:08 (one month ago) link

idk if I'm just connecting with this format but my results have been insane so far: 9-0, 8-1, 7-2, 4-5, 8-1, and 7-2. I'm 3 place in trophies through only 6 leagues.

frogbs, Thursday, 29 April 2021 20:16 (one month ago) link

how many people are in those friendly leagues? i started a competitive league yesterday and theres only ~500ish people and the wait times for matches were like 5 minutes

ciderpress, Thursday, 29 April 2021 20:57 (one month ago) link

it says 750 at the moment. wait times are not bad now, usually after 4-6 weeks they get pretty brutal

biggest downside of those leagues is having to play 9 matches but there's so much you can do in this set that I don't mind at all. that U/R deck I mentioned earlier I'd gladly play another few leagues with.

frogbs, Thursday, 29 April 2021 21:06 (one month ago) link

ok sounds about the same then. i've been in a sealed mood but arena is not really an option for the format

ciderpress, Thursday, 29 April 2021 21:17 (one month ago) link

btw Quandrix Apprentice is pretty busted, even though it only gets you lands the sheer card advantage this thing can very quickly generate is insane

frogbs, Friday, 30 April 2021 13:48 (one month ago) link

yeah terrific card. blue green generally really strong in draft imo

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 30 April 2021 14:20 (one month ago) link

can't say I've ever wound up at this particular life total before

frogbs, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 17:00 (one month ago) link

Starting to get sick of this format. I kinda forgot how these five deck draft formats have shorter lifespans, and this time around, I'm ready to call Lorehold a trap. I've never had a successful Lorehold deck, and rarely find I lose to them either. I like Learn as a mechanic but it also leads to a lot of similarity in games, e.g. I've lost count of the number of games someone goes turn 3 Field Trip, turn 4 Elemental Summoning

Vinnie, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 01:07 (one month ago) link

yeah i think putting learn in a 5-faction format was a big mistake, its 2 things that severely narrow the ways in which games can play out in the same set

ciderpress, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 01:23 (one month ago) link

I assumed Lorehold probably worked better in draft, but yeah. I'm not really sure what the theme is there. The guy that makes spirits every time something is exiled from your 'yard can be pretty insane though.

I still like the format a lot though I'm finding in Sealed I'm pretty much going RUG every time. Dunno if it's the best choice always but they're fun decks to play. Side note I just now found out that Learn actually allows you to discard/draw, after accidentally clicking on my hand and thinking I'd just experienced some very bizarre glitch. One side effect of playing only MTGO is that I don't really read the cards anymore.

one card I've really began to appreciate is Test of Talents - not only are there a lot of targets for it but getting a free peek at your opponent's hand in such a spell-based format is really useful

frogbs, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 16:38 (one month ago) link

Yeah there are some bomb rares/mythics that push you into Lorehold like the one you mentioned or the Elder Dragon, but overall the commons/ uncommons are very weak and the deck lacks a cohesive strategy. White didn't get a Pacifism effect this time around, and only one good evasive creature (Combat Professor)?it's hard for the deck to get around a 5/5 fractal. Silverquill performs much better

I end up UG splashing B or R probably half of all drafts. Coincidentally, it was the same experience in Kaldheim!

Test of Talents is great. I originally picked Negate over it, because why wouldn't you, but it's so rare to run into artifacts, enchantments, and PWs, and the peek is valuable

Vinnie, Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:07 (one month ago) link

lorehold is fine, it's not as good as silverquill or quandrix but it's in the second tier with the other two. you need to stay pretty aggressive with it though, building around the graveyard stuff is a trap, just treat it as an incidental bonus. i see so many people posting their lists that have stonerise spirit in them and that card is just embarrassing unless you have a bunch of 4+ power creatures to jump, which you usually don't in WR.

ciderpress, Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:25 (one month ago) link

most decks in Sealed tend to be 3 color so Lorehold generally "works" as part of a W/R/B deck that's mostly built to take advantage of certain bombs. the decks just don't have the kind of synergy you want, I feel like I'm just playing a bunch of disconnected cards and attempting to cobble together some form of card advantage. when it's strong it's generally because you cleared the way for Ardent Dustspeaker.

I agree Stonerise Spirit is bad, but I did get completely owned by it after attacking right into it not even realizing what the card did

frogbs, Thursday, 13 May 2021 17:01 (one month ago) link

Yeah I dunno, to me it's not even second-tier. There's been times I'm the only Lorehold drafter and it still sucks. A lot of the gold commons/uncommons aren't as good payoffs as they are for the other colors (the Apprentice is laughably bad). I'm sure the deck comes together sometimes but ime I usually lack a way to close the game out after an aggressive start the way I can with Silverquill. Now when I open one of the bomb RW rares/mythics, I usually aim for Prismari splashing W

Vinnie, Friday, 14 May 2021 00:49 (one month ago) link

I wouldn't be surprised to find the Lorehold stuff was nerfed or shifted around at the last minute. It feels like there must have been some Spirit/graveyard stuff yanked at the end.

one card that's sometimes been crazy valuable is Whirlwind Denial - all the instant/Magecraft stuff can result in like 10 things going on the stack and it's really crazy to be able to just counter everything

frogbs, Friday, 14 May 2021 14:30 (one month ago) link

(And no this is not intended for magic the gathering players, you’re cool w/ me)

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) May 13, 2021

AlanSmithee, Friday, 14 May 2021 20:00 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

Ok SO, I finally got MtG Arena working on a device (it was my dj laptop, since all the portable devices in the house are too old be supported, and even that was after a battery of Windows updates that me feel like installing a game in the '90s).

It's really fun so far, so nice to have all the phases and rules automated & set in stone. I'm almost done with the Color Challenge (so far I've won my matches against other humans with starter decks, although somehow I also got matched with a couple people who clearly had 'real' decks and it was just savage). I'd like to keep playing for fun (so I doubt I'll get in deep enough to compete against people with crazy meta decks), and I'm also never going to spend any actual money on this game. Advice???

Should I just keep playing matches and slowly upgrading my starter deck of choice? The draft formats are a little confusing, and all seem to cost some amount of in-game currency...I've never played draft before, but it seems like it could be fun since everyone is theoretically starting out on equal footing, right?

change display name (Jordan), Sunday, 6 June 2021 22:28 (two weeks ago) link

some promo codes for free packs here, some might have expired but most of them should still be working:
every new set will also have a code like this for 3 free packs

just try to complete your daily quests (the ones that give 500/750 gold + 500 xp) as much as you're able and willing to play. also try to clear the first 15 wins per week as those give 250 xp each. if you do both of those things you'll accumulate a decent amount of free packs from the xp.

you can save up your gold for drafts or just spend it on packs if you don't like drafting. if you're an inexperienced player you should expect to get wrecked in draft until you improve, but you still get to keep the cards you drafted even if you don't win additional prizes so it's never a waste of gold.

ciderpress, Sunday, 6 June 2021 23:04 (two weeks ago) link

also, sit on all the rare and mythic rare wild cards you get, they're the most valuable resource and you'll need a lot of them if you ever decide you want to build a more competitive deck.

ciderpress, Sunday, 6 June 2021 23:11 (two weeks ago) link

Nice, Jordan! I also decided early on I'm not gonna put money into the game. If you stick to mostly Draft like I do, that's fine. When I don't have enough gold for Draft, I will jump into Arena once every three days and complete the three quests that have accumulated. I find it a bit of a grind tbh but usually the quests overlap and if they don't you can cycle one of them per day. I can finish three quests in 20-30 minutes and it's a means to my end of playing Draft without putting money into the game

As a new player, definitely start with Quick Draft. The main difference is Quick Draft you are drafting against AIs instead of real players, but you play twice as much for the same price as Premier, and thus open twice as many cards. Once you are good enough to break even or better, the prize structures make both queues about the same in terms of expected value, but you still get to play twice as much with Quick Draft

cider is right, Draft is very tough for a new player. There are many guides out there for general draft tips. If Sealed is available as a format, you might have more luck there - it's similar but takes a little less skill imo

Vinnie, Sunday, 6 June 2021 23:44 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks guys!

I wouldn't say I'm a new player, I started playing in the '90s when Antiquities came out and stopped around Ice Age, then my wife & I started playing for fun in the last few years with old cards and some Duel Decks. So while I'm sure I'm not great, I'm definitely comfortable with playing the game. But I've never drafted before and I'm sure that has its own strategies. I wish there was a free AI draft version (no gold) where you didn't keep the cards, just for practice.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 7 June 2021 15:08 (two weeks ago) link

Ah gotcha. There are some sites like draftsim where you can do a draft for free but you don't end up playing with the deck so might not be what you're looking for

Vinnie, Monday, 7 June 2021 15:11 (two weeks ago) link

I still remember the days of Netdraft. What a shitshow that was. Troll around mIRC for a half hour in order to find 8 drafters, only to have one of them troll the draft by refusing to pick the 45th card, thereby crashing it for everyone. Good times!!

frogbs, Monday, 7 June 2021 15:20 (two weeks ago) link

the "how we finally made Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar" story is pretty funny

frogbs, Monday, 7 June 2021 15:54 (two weeks ago) link

I've been slowly modding the starter mono decks, but then the 'Stomp, Stomp' R/G deck showed up in my inventory and it seems pretty good! Just got a few wins with it. Guess I'll just keep messing around with the normal play matches, I've got enough gold now to try a draft but I'm scared to blow it all (also it seems like it could take a long time to play, and I usually only have like 1/2 an hour?).

I also don't know if I should work toward a certain deck, or if I should just take the cards that come my way and let that shape the deck. I played against a black lifelink + deathtouch deck that was pretty brutal and seemed to be based on relatively common cards.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 7 June 2021 18:00 (two weeks ago) link

the starter 2-color decks are a lot stronger than the 1-color decks, i think it gives you 1 a day once you finish the color challenge until you have all 10

ciderpress, Monday, 7 June 2021 18:16 (two weeks ago) link

lol, I thought looking stuff up on Youtube would be helpful, but listening to people talk about MtG is largely terrible (and long-winded)

xp oh nice!

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 7 June 2021 18:21 (two weeks ago) link

Started my first quick draft yesterday, I didn't know that you draft against a bot but play against humans, that's cool though. I was relieved to see that you don't need to play all the games in the same session - so far I lost one, but also won one!

I was a bit confused at the step where you modify your deck before playing, I took out a few lands of a certain color and wasn't sure how to get them back, also didn't know if I had to remove more from the deck (since it said "54/40" cards or something), but it seems to be workable. Sort of overwhelming reading all those new-to-me cards, but it's nice playing against someone who also doesn't have a finely tuned deck.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 14:10 (two weeks ago) link

you can add basic lands by hitting the land icon in the deckbuilder ui, they're in there

40 cards is the minimum deck size for draft and generally you want to stick to that as it means you draw your best cards more often. 23 creatures/spells and 17 lands is the optimal ratio.

ciderpress, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 15:00 (two weeks ago) link

I haven’t played since junior high, when Tempest came out, but picked up an old Portal starter set on eBay to see if I can convince my partner to play a game for nostalgia's sake. (I’m a little too intimidated by all that’s changed, and my lack of skills, to play strangers online).

Found a fan-made single player program called Forge that lets you set parameters like only cards/rules before a certain edition; maybe I’ll try and recreate all those InQuest magazine decks and pretend its 1997 again.

blatherskite, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 15:11 (two weeks ago) link

Oooh and you can edit your deck inbetween draft matches, I see :)

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 16:11 (two weeks ago) link

Aaand I promptly lost the next two, badly. I think my deck was way too big, I just couldn't decide between a bunch of seemingly decent cards.

But then I won the next two regular games, after adding a few of the new cards into the Stomp Stomp deck. The last one was pretty exciting, eked out a win with Radha Heart of Keld + Unleash Fury (double power) + trample token, so she was something like 28/14.

Sorry for blogging!

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 17:49 (two weeks ago) link

no matter how good it feels, going above the minimum deck size is always a risky proposition

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 18:00 (two weeks ago) link

especially in draft where your best cards are way better than your average cards

ciderpress, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 18:11 (two weeks ago) link

I had a hard time differentiating, idk if I just didn't get any killer cards in my packs, or I was too focused on making a reasonable balanced/color-limited deck rather than being too tempted by flashy cards.

Oh well, something to keep in mind for the next time I get 5000 gp.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 19:12 (two weeks ago) link

I think I have all the free decks now. I hit a wall with the ones I was using, kept running up against the same swarm-type decks where they would end up with literally 100+ little insects, or a ton of medium-sized creatures through crazy synergy. But I'm having good luck with this black/white 'Life Skills' deck.

Also tried another draft, where this time I didn't try to build a coherent deck or stick to colors, just picked the best cards and tried to keep it closer to 40 cards. I lost 3 in a row, but they were all extremely close (like had the other play down to 1 life).

Basically now I feel like I have a ton of cards to choose from and lots of wildcards (still haven't used any), and would like to actually make my own deck that's competitive, but have no idea what that deck would be yet.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 21 June 2021 16:54 (yesterday) link

generally in draft you want to stick to 2 color decks unless the set you're drafting explicitly supports more. otherwise you lose too many games to not drawing the right lands at the right time

ciderpress, Monday, 21 June 2021 18:03 (yesterday) link

I think I kept it to 3

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 21 June 2021 18:33 (yesterday) link

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