who in this bitch reads robert jordan? -- The Wheel of Time thread

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see, i told you i have no shame.

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 02:40 (twenty years ago) link

tho i have never read the conan books.

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 02:50 (twenty years ago) link

Fuck you.

, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 02:52 (twenty years ago) link

???

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 02:53 (twenty years ago) link

does it distress you that i had the words "shame" and "robert jordan" in the same thread? are you upset that i call myself a fan though i haven't read the conan books? or are you just really angry that i like robert jordan at all?

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 02:55 (twenty years ago) link

hmmmmm... whos online right now what hates my guts?

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 02:59 (twenty years ago) link

Gave up after Crown of Swords.. actually, gave about about a third of the way into Path of Daggers.

One big fuckin' soap opera, though the first few books were good.

ian johnson, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:01 (twenty years ago) link

b-b-b-but don't you wan't to find out if moiraine comes back?

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:02 (twenty years ago) link

I have the tenth book on order from the SFBC. I think.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:03 (twenty years ago) link

and don't you want to find out how rand al-thor will solve the dilemma of his harem?

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:03 (twenty years ago) link

ned you still get it.

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

ned what is the next book going to be called?

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

Has the general populous figured out who killed Asmodean yet?

Ian Johnson, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:05 (twenty years ago) link

i think i need to reread these babies before i buy the next one.

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:08 (twenty years ago) link

I forget the name of it, only saw it once.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:12 (twenty years ago) link

Robert Jordan fell asleep beside me in the cinema once.

or maybe it was someone who looked like him.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 13:13 (twenty years ago) link

The 10th one is called _The Crossroads of Twilight_, I think. Anyway, HELL YES I read these mamas.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 13:35 (twenty years ago) link

Quite a while ago I posted up a really snarky question re s&s b00x, that I feel a bit guilty about now. Some mention of these books was made by folka. Actually, I think Di was one of them. I read a few of them a little while ago, and I did enjoy them a lot actually. I thought the doomed/pulled between good & evil main character was a bit of a rip of Elric (BTW, after Mark s' demolition job on Michael Moorcock, I realised that the whole premise of my original q was bullshit anyway, coz I'd read & enjoyed many of michael moorcock's books anyway) plus one of the female characters was really annoying (tho' believably so I thought) aaaaand the first chapter of the first one was so terrible that I almost got no further. What I liked:

1/ the whole premise of the story - the cataclysm that had happened in the very distant past, and all the repercussions at the time the story was set in was very convincing, and strange as well.

2/ the way that the way the people from the distant past lived and the nature of their society is revealed in this piecemeal manner was really very well done I thought. There was this bit where the protagonist gets a brief flash from the memories of all his ancestors, one after the other, going back to before the cataclysm. That was amazing!

3/er....other stuff as well. My memory has just stopped working properly.

However, someone I know saw what I was reading, and lent me this set of 4 books that he said was much better. er...(googles) "The Book of the New Sun" by Gene Wolfe. That was really outstanding, I thought. Has anyone read that one?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 13:52 (twenty years ago) link

I'm on page 382 of Crossroads as we speak.

Like books 5 - 9, it also is frustratingly slow until about the 2/3 mark, and just when you're about to give up and say "screw it, I gotta get out!" it starts getting good, building momentum, and you read the last third in 1 or 2 nights.

I'd really like to discuss some of the things in this one, but I'm afraid of spoilin' it for y'all.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 14:22 (twenty years ago) link

nine months pass...
Hey Nick, can we talk about this one now? 'Cause nothing really cool happens until like the last page! Of course it's all been downhill since the last 50 pages of Lord of Chaos which are obviously the greatest writing written by anyone anywhere. Really.

adam (adam), Thursday, 23 October 2003 11:25 (twenty years ago) link

"lord of chaos" sounds like it should be a hawkwind song.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 23 October 2003 11:32 (twenty years ago) link

Plus, I haven't read, like, the last 2, or maybe the last 3. Should I bother? I enjoyed them (as noted above) but er.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 23 October 2003 11:33 (twenty years ago) link

They're really long and boring and nothing happens. Plus one looks like a total creep reading 'em on the bus. I get my kicks flirting with social pariahdom though--so thumbs up.

adam (adam), Thursday, 23 October 2003 23:44 (twenty years ago) link

the last page! crap i stopped reading in the middle of the last chapter.

i have been reading these books since junior high and i am now 24 - that is really depressing to realize.

ryan (ryan), Thursday, 23 October 2003 23:50 (twenty years ago) link

I read the first one when I wa what, 19? 20?

I'm now 30 (going on 31). Eek.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 23 October 2003 23:54 (twenty years ago) link

shiznit we must of started around the same time. (i remember seeing The Shadow Rising in hardcover around the time I read The Eye of the World. damn these books used to be good!)

i still have faith that the ending will (almost) redeem the series.

ryan (ryan), Thursday, 23 October 2003 23:58 (twenty years ago) link

i still haven't read that last one.

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Friday, 24 October 2003 00:01 (twenty years ago) link

When they're all done, I'd be willing to pay the same amount of $$ over again for a version of the series that had an editor at the wheel, reining it in to clock out at about six books.

That said, the last two books have been the best since the first three or four, for my money -- but I didn't start reading until just before Path of Daggers came out, so I don't have the years of "what the fuck, when will you END IT, CONANBOY!" that a lot of folks have, so I might cut him more slack than I would otherwise.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 24 October 2003 02:54 (twenty years ago) link

The odd thing is that I don't think his books have too much obvious filler/fluff--I mean, what subplots could be trimmed without bringing others crashing down?

adam (adam), Friday, 24 October 2003 14:49 (twenty years ago) link

Tons! I mean, not in terms of removing chapters without altering other things, no, but most of books 4-8 or so are just moving pieces around. How much actually happens?

(Peanut Gallery chimes in with plot outline of books 4-8.)

Yeah, but how much actually happens? He kept adding more and more subplots instead of resolving -- and sometimes instead of even addressing -- old ones.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 24 October 2003 15:07 (twenty years ago) link

(Take out all the times someone snorts, sniffs, or crosses arms under breasts and you've eliminated a book right there.)

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 24 October 2003 15:27 (twenty years ago) link

it's amazing that people scoff at Michael Moorcock but then confess to reading CRAP like the Wheel Of Time.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 24 October 2003 15:30 (twenty years ago) link

You are easily amazed.

LOOK OUT, SHOES!

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 24 October 2003 15:32 (twenty years ago) link

*makes a vexed sound*

teeny (teeny), Friday, 24 October 2003 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

OKAY WE GET IT THE DICE ARE ROLLING IN MAT'S HEAD GOD DAMNIT!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 24 October 2003 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

(aka I think Tep has a good point)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 24 October 2003 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

it's funny that whenever i meet someone else who reads these books all we do is bitch about them. good times!

if there is another book in the series where the main character BARELY FIGURES AT ALL then i may give up

ryan (ryan), Friday, 24 October 2003 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

Without the repetitive easy characterization (crossing, sniffing, etc)RJ's characters wouldn't be anything besides names--he's not really one for soul-delving.

Anyway the longer the series gets and the longer the books get the whole shebang becomes more of a sick joke played on the nerds of the world--Jordan's gonna die and spawn a whole frightening genre of finish-WOT fanfic.

adam (adam), Friday, 24 October 2003 19:22 (twenty years ago) link

My theory is that he's already written the last book and that he's just drawing the series out until he dies, and then when they mysteriously unearth the final book posthumously BINGO he's a legend.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 24 October 2003 19:26 (twenty years ago) link

So long as you don't mean that BINGO in the Chris V sense.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 October 2003 19:30 (twenty years ago) link

it's funny that whenever i meet someone else who reads these books all we do is bitch about them

SO TRUE.

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Saturday, 25 October 2003 08:22 (twenty years ago) link

Actually if anything there's too much soul-searching in these books obv. Wasn't the last book just 95% people going "oh there was a big bang! I wonder what it could be?? How does it tie into all of my neuroses??? What? You say I should just speak to some of the other characters in the book who I can talk to anytime I like by travelling to their location, at which point not only will I learn the source of that big bang but I will solve all the emotional problems that have resulted from not talking to people??? What a crazy idea!

I loyally read this series cos I started 13 years ago, but it's beginning to try my patience.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 26 October 2003 07:34 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe it's a metaphor for the Internet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 October 2003 12:48 (twenty years ago) link

too much sniffing, toomuch snorting, too much angst by Rand over his harem, too many refernces to sheepfarming, dice rolling, not enuf action and too many years in between each book. that said, i will continue reading tho i will probably be 40 by the time it ends.

i need to muster up the energy to order the last one actually.

H (Heruy), Sunday, 26 October 2003 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

I'm just patiently waiting for that final book to finally emerge. And then I'll actually read the series. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:06 (twenty years ago) link

Oh man, and if this wasn't enough, I just found out there's a three book PREQUEL series he's working on too! The first one comes out early next year and is an expansion of that "New Spring" story that appeared in the Legends anthology. More info.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:18 (twenty years ago) link

AAAAAAA FUCK FUCK FUCK YOU FUCKING JORDAN FUCK DON'T YOU KNOW THE RULES ABOUT FINISHING JUST ONE FUCKING SERIES FUCK!!!!

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:23 (twenty years ago) link

*signs up for preorder*

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:23 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, apparently book 11 hasn't even been started yet! And he'll work on book number two of this series after book 11 is done! And...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:24 (twenty years ago) link

i love how the poll on that page is "who is the most annoying character?"

ryan (ryan), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:27 (twenty years ago) link

all humour is an aggression have you not been reading

xp inspired by brazil 2002

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 08:45 (three weeks ago) link

anyway i'm rolling

does anyone want to dare me to re-read thomas covenant? (not the 21st-century extension; i have some slight standards)

guide me ur-mac/stout-wielder/tottenthane

mookieproof, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 08:48 (three weeks ago) link

no

its shite

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 08:52 (three weeks ago) link

read kellhus instead

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 08:52 (three weeks ago) link

dont drink stout btw

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 08:52 (three weeks ago) link

don't make me n0m you

mookieproof, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 08:53 (three weeks ago) link

xxp ok

mookieproof, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 08:55 (three weeks ago) link

apparently you accept the moniker tottenthane

guess we'll see whether the tottens rear to you

mookieproof, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 09:03 (three weeks ago) link

some secrets are not for this time

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 09:19 (three weeks ago) link

i think jordan's idea of humor was having each of rand, mat and perrin thinking the other two were better with women... when objectively all three were given fantasy-novel levels of success

and making tar valon shaped like a vulva with a giant twig and berries in the center

y'know, stuff like that

, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 11:56 (three weeks ago) link

my least favorite part of the sanderson novels was that one scene where the undead village were traveled into battle, died, then resurrected to go back and die again, something like that. so corny

and in general, i'm not a fan of his prose, hard for me to believe he's probably the most successful living fantasy writer based on that kickstarter he did that raised the most money in the history of the platform or something?

, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 11:58 (three weeks ago) link

I actually quite liked the small town horror story interludes, felt very western

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 12:19 (three weeks ago) link

oh yeah i liked the first one in the jordan novel - the scene i'm talking about is in one of the sanderson novels during tarmon gaidon

, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 12:31 (three weeks ago) link

yes i liked them all

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 12:46 (three weeks ago) link

dark tower vibes i guess i mean

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 12:47 (three weeks ago) link

thinking half baked thoughts (just like the books - heyooooo), i think i like the magic when it's in service of the plot, character motivations, desires, etc. so balefire allows rand to fully express his rage, traveling allows him to be in many places at once to advance the plot, etc.

the reincarnated village during tarman gaidon, and i guess the band of the red hand (i think that's what they're called?) using traveling to shoot cannonballs at trollocs from a cave - not so interesting to me, it centers the magic itself which often is boring. kinda feels like, idk, finding a particular great combo in MTG or a video game or something, the kind of cheese that gets nerfed in the next patch - cool when the focus is the videogame itself but feels superfluous in a novel

, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 13:02 (three weeks ago) link

the bubbles are impersonal i get that yeah

the stones allowing everyone to see their hundred lives in book two tho

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 14:06 (three weeks ago) link

The second trilogy of Covenant is fantastic.

I'll still endorse Malazan, although after nine incredibly solid books Erikson kind of failed to stick the landing on the tenth. Too many threads to tie together.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 16:10 (three weeks ago) link

I've read the first book of Abercrombie's series, I liked it well enough but haven't picked up the others.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 16:12 (three weeks ago) link

if he'd fuckin number them id remember where i was

his writing and plotting and avoidance of repetition (the main issue with erikson imo, wtf cares seven books into tragic death equals reincarnation as demigod honestly) put him at a fairly high level vs competition

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 16:28 (three weeks ago) link

I respect his undermining of cliche.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 16:31 (three weeks ago) link

The second trilogy of Covenant is fantastic.

agree. first trilogy is pretty good too if you can get past his horrific arrival. i'm not sure it actually worked, but certainly it was a bold move, especially 45 years ago

i started malazan once but it seemed like i needed to keep track of the command structure of the seventh column of the third legion in whichever task force and i'm not up for that

mookieproof, Thursday, 16 November 2023 05:39 (three weeks ago) link

anyway let's give it up for verin. sleepy, bird-like, went all the way undercover, was on the verge of killing cadsuane if necessary, gave egwene the dream ter'angreal, was always weird. respect

mookieproof, Thursday, 16 November 2023 05:53 (three weeks ago) link

i dont think it works tbh

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 16 November 2023 08:00 (three weeks ago) link

There's a lot about the Covenant series that I grew to like, especially in the second trilogy. He was smart to make the giants a focus. Even his weird word choices and turgid prose can be great.

He also does something that I appreciate in fantasy, which is the lack of shortcuts - if the quest requires that the heroes get from point A on the map to point B, then they're going to have to hike or boat the whole way. I like that process of being able to take what's on a fantasy map and put it together with the descriptions in the text.

jmm, Thursday, 16 November 2023 13:30 (three weeks ago) link

done

i regret nothing

mookieproof, Friday, 17 November 2023 22:18 (three weeks ago) link

hell yeah

, Friday, 17 November 2023 23:16 (three weeks ago) link

Congrats Mookieproof

ian, Saturday, 18 November 2023 00:18 (three weeks ago) link

tyvm!

final thoughts: books 9-10 are the nadir. 'crossroads of twilight' and 'knife of dreams' are the worst book titles, with 'towers of midnight' only slightly behind

there's apparently some story about sanderson hinting elsewhere that lanfear is still alive(??) but i ain't got time for that

feel like it might be time for . . . perhaps . . . NEWSUN!

mookieproof, Saturday, 18 November 2023 02:14 (three weeks ago) link

New sun!!!!!!!

ian, Saturday, 18 November 2023 02:35 (three weeks ago) link

New sun!!!!!!!

ian, Saturday, 18 November 2023 02:35 (three weeks ago) link

no do Abercrombie imo

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Saturday, 18 November 2023 10:05 (three weeks ago) link

SUUUUUUUN

I'm reading Book of the Short Sun right now, in fact. Going pretty slowly because Wolfe is practically my fave author at this point and I'm enjoying savouring it.

jmm, Saturday, 18 November 2023 13:08 (three weeks ago) link

The series I'm really curious about is Viriconium, but I haven't found a copy of the omnibus yet.

jmm, Saturday, 18 November 2023 13:16 (three weeks ago) link

The stylistic shift between long sun and short sun is kind of insane. Even bigger than the gap between new sun and long sun, I think. Short Sun was ultimately the most challenging for me and I’m still not 100% sure how everything played out. Due to re-read I guess.

ian, Saturday, 18 November 2023 14:34 (three weeks ago) link

imo re-reading the wheel of time is nowhere near as insane as re-reading the dark tower

i'll probably do that eventually tho

mookieproof, Monday, 20 November 2023 04:41 (three weeks ago) link

I have always wanted to be surrounded by angry women tugging on their braids

the new drip king (DJP), Thursday, 30 November 2023 15:15 (one week ago) link

Sitting on birthday cakes

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 30 November 2023 15:16 (one week ago) link

Heh, I have that titular tome he mentions.

Blecch’s POLLero (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 3 December 2023 16:29 (one week ago) link

OMG, I didn't know he had written some Conan stories. Who let that happen?

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 4 December 2023 03:43 (one week ago) link

(He being Jordan, of course.)

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 4 December 2023 03:44 (one week ago) link

Yeah that's how I first heard his name in the early eighties -- didn't read them but I recall the book covers.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 December 2023 03:45 (one week ago) link

at the risk of seeming to defend jordan, many genre authors got their start in conan/wars/trek/dr who/whatever to pay the bills. and then they learned that you needed to write a trilogy (at least) to really catch on

i tend to think that the later WoT jordan books were an example of him disappearing up his own ass rather than simply extending the series for relevance and profit, but certainly there's an argument otherwise

mookieproof, Monday, 4 December 2023 03:55 (one week ago) link

as roberts said, tho, the whole thing with powerful sorceresses being endlessly spanked is . . . quite something

apparently jordan's wife was an editor at tor? which may explain several things

mookieproof, Monday, 4 December 2023 03:57 (one week ago) link

I suppose one could disappear up one's own ass for relevance and profit.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 4 December 2023 03:59 (one week ago) link

There is no shame in writing Conan books. There is shame in writing them that badly.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 4 December 2023 03:59 (one week ago) link

one could disappear up one's own ass for relevance and profit

truth bomb/board description

mookieproof, Monday, 4 December 2023 04:06 (one week ago) link

I've read a couple of his Conan books and they're not that bad. A bit straightforward compared to the magical atmosphere of the Howard stories, but still decent adventure fare. I sometimes wish he'd kept some of that fast pulp pacing in Wheel of Time.

jmm, Monday, 4 December 2023 04:46 (one week ago) link


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