who in this bitch reads robert jordan? -- The Wheel of Time thread

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see, i told you i have no shame.

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 02:40 (nineteen years ago) link

tho i have never read the conan books.

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 02:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck you.

, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 02:52 (nineteen years ago) link

???

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 02:53 (nineteen years ago) link

does it distress you that i had the words "shame" and "robert jordan" in the same thread? are you upset that i call myself a fan though i haven't read the conan books? or are you just really angry that i like robert jordan at all?

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 02:55 (nineteen years ago) link

hmmmmm... whos online right now what hates my guts?

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 02:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Gave up after Crown of Swords.. actually, gave about about a third of the way into Path of Daggers.

One big fuckin' soap opera, though the first few books were good.

ian johnson, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:01 (nineteen years ago) link

b-b-b-but don't you wan't to find out if moiraine comes back?

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I have the tenth book on order from the SFBC. I think.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:03 (nineteen years ago) link

and don't you want to find out how rand al-thor will solve the dilemma of his harem?

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:03 (nineteen years ago) link

ned you still get it.

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:04 (nineteen years ago) link

ned what is the next book going to be called?

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Has the general populous figured out who killed Asmodean yet?

Ian Johnson, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:05 (nineteen years ago) link

i think i need to reread these babies before i buy the next one.

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I forget the name of it, only saw it once.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Robert Jordan fell asleep beside me in the cinema once.

or maybe it was someone who looked like him.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

The 10th one is called _The Crossroads of Twilight_, I think. Anyway, HELL YES I read these mamas.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 13:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Quite a while ago I posted up a really snarky question re s&s b00x, that I feel a bit guilty about now. Some mention of these books was made by folka. Actually, I think Di was one of them. I read a few of them a little while ago, and I did enjoy them a lot actually. I thought the doomed/pulled between good & evil main character was a bit of a rip of Elric (BTW, after Mark s' demolition job on Michael Moorcock, I realised that the whole premise of my original q was bullshit anyway, coz I'd read & enjoyed many of michael moorcock's books anyway) plus one of the female characters was really annoying (tho' believably so I thought) aaaaand the first chapter of the first one was so terrible that I almost got no further. What I liked:

1/ the whole premise of the story - the cataclysm that had happened in the very distant past, and all the repercussions at the time the story was set in was very convincing, and strange as well.

2/ the way that the way the people from the distant past lived and the nature of their society is revealed in this piecemeal manner was really very well done I thought. There was this bit where the protagonist gets a brief flash from the memories of all his ancestors, one after the other, going back to before the cataclysm. That was amazing!

3/er....other stuff as well. My memory has just stopped working properly.

However, someone I know saw what I was reading, and lent me this set of 4 books that he said was much better. er...(googles) "The Book of the New Sun" by Gene Wolfe. That was really outstanding, I thought. Has anyone read that one?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 13:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm on page 382 of Crossroads as we speak.

Like books 5 - 9, it also is frustratingly slow until about the 2/3 mark, and just when you're about to give up and say "screw it, I gotta get out!" it starts getting good, building momentum, and you read the last third in 1 or 2 nights.

I'd really like to discuss some of the things in this one, but I'm afraid of spoilin' it for y'all.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
Hey Nick, can we talk about this one now? 'Cause nothing really cool happens until like the last page! Of course it's all been downhill since the last 50 pages of Lord of Chaos which are obviously the greatest writing written by anyone anywhere. Really.

adam (adam), Thursday, 23 October 2003 11:25 (nineteen years ago) link

"lord of chaos" sounds like it should be a hawkwind song.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 23 October 2003 11:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Plus, I haven't read, like, the last 2, or maybe the last 3. Should I bother? I enjoyed them (as noted above) but er.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 23 October 2003 11:33 (nineteen years ago) link

They're really long and boring and nothing happens. Plus one looks like a total creep reading 'em on the bus. I get my kicks flirting with social pariahdom though--so thumbs up.

adam (adam), Thursday, 23 October 2003 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

the last page! crap i stopped reading in the middle of the last chapter.

i have been reading these books since junior high and i am now 24 - that is really depressing to realize.

ryan (ryan), Thursday, 23 October 2003 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I read the first one when I wa what, 19? 20?

I'm now 30 (going on 31). Eek.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 23 October 2003 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link

shiznit we must of started around the same time. (i remember seeing The Shadow Rising in hardcover around the time I read The Eye of the World. damn these books used to be good!)

i still have faith that the ending will (almost) redeem the series.

ryan (ryan), Thursday, 23 October 2003 23:58 (nineteen years ago) link

i still haven't read that last one.

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Friday, 24 October 2003 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

When they're all done, I'd be willing to pay the same amount of $$ over again for a version of the series that had an editor at the wheel, reining it in to clock out at about six books.

That said, the last two books have been the best since the first three or four, for my money -- but I didn't start reading until just before Path of Daggers came out, so I don't have the years of "what the fuck, when will you END IT, CONANBOY!" that a lot of folks have, so I might cut him more slack than I would otherwise.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 24 October 2003 02:54 (nineteen years ago) link

The odd thing is that I don't think his books have too much obvious filler/fluff--I mean, what subplots could be trimmed without bringing others crashing down?

adam (adam), Friday, 24 October 2003 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Tons! I mean, not in terms of removing chapters without altering other things, no, but most of books 4-8 or so are just moving pieces around. How much actually happens?

(Peanut Gallery chimes in with plot outline of books 4-8.)

Yeah, but how much actually happens? He kept adding more and more subplots instead of resolving -- and sometimes instead of even addressing -- old ones.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 24 October 2003 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link

(Take out all the times someone snorts, sniffs, or crosses arms under breasts and you've eliminated a book right there.)

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 24 October 2003 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

it's amazing that people scoff at Michael Moorcock but then confess to reading CRAP like the Wheel Of Time.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 24 October 2003 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

You are easily amazed.

LOOK OUT, SHOES!

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 24 October 2003 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link

*makes a vexed sound*

teeny (teeny), Friday, 24 October 2003 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

OKAY WE GET IT THE DICE ARE ROLLING IN MAT'S HEAD GOD DAMNIT!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 24 October 2003 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

(aka I think Tep has a good point)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 24 October 2003 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

it's funny that whenever i meet someone else who reads these books all we do is bitch about them. good times!

if there is another book in the series where the main character BARELY FIGURES AT ALL then i may give up

ryan (ryan), Friday, 24 October 2003 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Without the repetitive easy characterization (crossing, sniffing, etc)RJ's characters wouldn't be anything besides names--he's not really one for soul-delving.

Anyway the longer the series gets and the longer the books get the whole shebang becomes more of a sick joke played on the nerds of the world--Jordan's gonna die and spawn a whole frightening genre of finish-WOT fanfic.

adam (adam), Friday, 24 October 2003 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

My theory is that he's already written the last book and that he's just drawing the series out until he dies, and then when they mysteriously unearth the final book posthumously BINGO he's a legend.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 24 October 2003 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

So long as you don't mean that BINGO in the Chris V sense.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 October 2003 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

it's funny that whenever i meet someone else who reads these books all we do is bitch about them

SO TRUE.

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Saturday, 25 October 2003 08:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually if anything there's too much soul-searching in these books obv. Wasn't the last book just 95% people going "oh there was a big bang! I wonder what it could be?? How does it tie into all of my neuroses??? What? You say I should just speak to some of the other characters in the book who I can talk to anytime I like by travelling to their location, at which point not only will I learn the source of that big bang but I will solve all the emotional problems that have resulted from not talking to people??? What a crazy idea!

I loyally read this series cos I started 13 years ago, but it's beginning to try my patience.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 26 October 2003 07:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe it's a metaphor for the Internet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 October 2003 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link

too much sniffing, toomuch snorting, too much angst by Rand over his harem, too many refernces to sheepfarming, dice rolling, not enuf action and too many years in between each book. that said, i will continue reading tho i will probably be 40 by the time it ends.

i need to muster up the energy to order the last one actually.

H (Heruy), Sunday, 26 October 2003 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm just patiently waiting for that final book to finally emerge. And then I'll actually read the series. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh man, and if this wasn't enough, I just found out there's a three book PREQUEL series he's working on too! The first one comes out early next year and is an expansion of that "New Spring" story that appeared in the Legends anthology. More info.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link

AAAAAAA FUCK FUCK FUCK YOU FUCKING JORDAN FUCK DON'T YOU KNOW THE RULES ABOUT FINISHING JUST ONE FUCKING SERIES FUCK!!!!

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link

*signs up for preorder*

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, apparently book 11 hasn't even been started yet! And he'll work on book number two of this series after book 11 is done! And...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i love how the poll on that page is "who is the most annoying character?"

ryan (ryan), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link

From the Gizmodo article: Tossing aside the novels’ obstinate adherence to the gender binary is a welcome and inclusive update.

Not to repeat myself from a million years ago but the better path to take here is to portray a world (one not unlike our own!) that is suffering from its obstinate adherence to a gender binary!

ryan, Wednesday, 5 January 2022 17:46 (ten months ago) link

I'm trying to figure out why the first two LOTR movies worked for me (I think the third one starts to become what the Hobbit movies would be...) and maybe it's simply just that Jackson had the budget and skills to go for actual grandeur and menace.

ryan, Wednesday, 5 January 2022 17:48 (ten months ago) link

Starts to wilt halfway through two towers for me as jackson began to exercise his editorial brilliance with ever more confidence

The guy in charge of this started out in that mode alas

pandmac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 17:51 (ten months ago) link

lmao at the sexposition being one of GoT's strengths, though

castanuts (DJP), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 17:53 (ten months ago) link

haha ok fair enough

what's funny is i'll definitely keep watching this as long as it goes despite my frustrations--deju vu all over again.

ryan, Wednesday, 5 January 2022 17:59 (ten months ago) link

I enjoyed this. Even if it did feel like Merlin With a Budget.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 6 January 2022 00:57 (ten months ago) link

I think I kinda liked this because of the slightly trying too hard, good budget but not quite BIG budget, also ran vibe. Watching it felt like no specific other show, but put me in the mind of all of the cheesy, really not all that great sci-fi/fantasy shows that would get aired on the early non-premium cable channels that I would absolutely eat up for lack of better options in the genre.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 6 January 2022 02:05 (ten months ago) link

I don't if that makes sense, it just felt comfortable in an odd sort of way, even as I knew it wasn't great.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 6 January 2022 02:06 (ten months ago) link

I know what you’re saying. I rather enjoyed the shannara show in a similar way to what you’re describing

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 6 January 2022 02:44 (ten months ago) link

Shannara was better than this. It embraced its cheesiness where this tries to pretend it isn't there.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 6 January 2022 16:36 (ten months ago) link

I mean, I'm also going to keep watching it, especially to see how the diversions from the series play out. What surprises me is that my wife, who has no familiarity with the source material, likes it more than I do (though she doesn't love it).

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 6 January 2022 17:43 (ten months ago) link

I think thats been the way across the board tbh

Its been labelled as a reaction from nerdy bookreaders but is in fairness more of a clamour of "wait you changed it to that instead wtf that makes no sense"

pandmac (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 January 2022 17:49 (ten months ago) link

put me in the mind of all of the cheesy, really not all that great sci-fi/fantasy shows that would get aired on the early non-premium cable channels that I would absolutely eat up for lack of better options in the genre

yes this is totally the feel of a lot of it! but unlike those shows it just seems to lack any real life to it or sense that anyone is having any fun at all. the actors are uniformly bad (imo--though possibly not entirely their fault) which is unfortunate since we are probably stuck with them but there is a *chance* this could go from bad to passably mediocre in future seasons.

ryan, Thursday, 6 January 2022 17:52 (ten months ago) link

still have not watched this aiside from first ep - combination of work and maybe fears that will be ultra disappointed

question though re above
- From the Gizmodo article: Tossing aside the novels’ obstinate adherence to the gender binary is a welcome and inclusive update.

Not to repeat myself from a million years ago but the better path to take here is to portray a world (one not unlike our own!) that is suffering from its obstinate adherence to a gender binary! -

My understanding was that the only major change was on the reincarnation aspect of souls so that Egwene for example could be a reincarnation of Dragon - not hat they changed the saidin/saidar separation (aside from automatic overall stat that men would generally be stronger in power than women. Is that correct or was there a larger switch?

In other news, while catching up on my Expanse related news saw that Shohreh Aghdashloo in very loose talks re joining WOT https://screenrant.com/expanse-shohreh-aghdashloo-wheel-time-season-2-role/

H in Addis, Sunday, 9 January 2022 12:58 (ten months ago) link

Your understanding is correct

castanuts (DJP), Sunday, 9 January 2022 14:54 (ten months ago) link

Id say theres probably several large switches of plot and character from series one vs the equivalent period/events in the book, and dozens of more minor changes in knock on effects tbh

pandmac (darraghmac), Sunday, 9 January 2022 16:30 (ten months ago) link

two weeks pass...

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i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 20:57 (ten months ago) link

Long fantasy series are very difficult to manage. As strong as I think The Malazan Book of the Fallen was, the tenth and final book was a disappointment. Jordan completely lost control of his narrative before he died. I couldn't even finish the ones he wrote.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 21:38 (ten months ago) link

xp who the fuck nominated this

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 22:42 (ten months ago) link

nevermind the trollocs

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 22:53 (ten months ago) link

oh yes

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 23:55 (ten months ago) link

worst thing about this show is that now i'm almost done with book 4

ian, Thursday, 27 January 2022 04:01 (nine months ago) link

you can stop at #6

then just read a wikipedia summary

Number None, Thursday, 27 January 2022 08:48 (nine months ago) link

Was wondering whether it was worth reading the entire series

I've just finished 3

groovypanda, Thursday, 27 January 2022 09:35 (nine months ago) link

it is, I know I'm repeating myself but the availability of the books rather than waiting years between each means that even the relative trudge from 7-11 (disputed) is worth yr time and it's not like there's no payoff- it delivers

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Thursday, 27 January 2022 11:03 (nine months ago) link

I never read past book 7 or 8 back in the day. No idea if I’ll finish them this time.

ian, Thursday, 27 January 2022 16:04 (nine months ago) link

three weeks pass...

checking in on readers' progress

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Saturday, 19 February 2022 00:41 (nine months ago) link

mid book 5; starting to feel like a slog. i know (or remember) LoC was good but jfc the "men are like THIS and women are like THIS" really ramps up here. as well as endless scenes of traveling city to city.

ian, Sunday, 20 February 2022 18:07 (nine months ago) link

I'm at almost the same spot. I finished book 4 last month, and I'm either stopping there or taking a very long break. I wanted to destroy my copy by the end. It was so fucking long, and yeah, the "UGH men! UGH women!" stuff was starting to dominate.

The first three books were enjoyable and felt like a fairly complete trilogy.

jmm, Sunday, 20 February 2022 18:22 (nine months ago) link

in fairness have ye not men/women?

pretty awful ime

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Sunday, 20 February 2022 18:37 (nine months ago) link

women be channeling, amirite

mookieproof, Sunday, 20 February 2022 18:42 (nine months ago) link

never not at it

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Sunday, 20 February 2022 18:53 (nine months ago) link

women tug at their braids and men fight tiger style or w/e

ian, Sunday, 20 February 2022 19:00 (nine months ago) link

A perhaps relevant tweet or two

The SOUND OF DISGUST I made at realizing this prologue kicks off with Elaida uggfghhhhhhhh #TarValonOrBust #WheelOfTime pic.twitter.com/lf8IhYPXzE

— Preeti Chhibber (@runwithskizzers) February 21, 2022

lol Jordan really was like "Oh you waited a year for your favs to come back, HOPE YOU LIKE READING ABOUT LADY ALTEIMA" #TarValonOrBust

— Preeti Chhibber (@runwithskizzers) February 21, 2022

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 February 2022 16:46 (nine months ago) link

lol true, true

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Monday, 21 February 2022 16:49 (nine months ago) link

As a kid, I never picked up on the weird s&m/spanking/humiliation stuff tbh

ian, Monday, 21 February 2022 18:37 (nine months ago) link

im not sure that's necessarily there that much vs being a trope about yr boarding school experience or w/e

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Monday, 21 February 2022 19:35 (nine months ago) link

mid book 5; starting to feel like a slog. i know (or remember) LoC was good but jfc the "men are like THIS and women are like THIS" really ramps up here. as well as endless scenes of traveling city to city.

Urgh. Not started book 4 yet but book 3 seemed to be endless characters travelling without much actual plot advancement so thrilled to learn there's more to come.

groovypanda, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 11:34 (nine months ago) link

lol if you're struggling now I'd get out while the going's good

Number None, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 11:36 (nine months ago) link

secret of good fantasy games and books is that the travelling around is better than the intrigue, the battles and the good vs evil

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 February 2022 12:23 (nine months ago) link

It can be, but it depends on how well those aspects work together. In Tolkien, there’s a real sense of circumstances dictating where the characters have to go, and the geographical obstacles alone have a dramatic effect. He's also faster at moving his characters around than he’s given credit for. With Jordan on the other hand, it seems like he spends the first quarter of each volume establishing some new reasons to send his characters across the map somewhere. Then the traveling itself is a slow plod, or boat ride, or shortcut involving The Ways or something like that, and it’s hard not to feel that he’s just drawing it out because he wants to publish an 800-page volume.

jmm, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 14:24 (nine months ago) link

It's not the worst stuff ever, just not enormously exciting.

jmm, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 14:29 (nine months ago) link

def agree that its going to depend on a number of factors

for instance im v likely influenced by my own reading style of skipping paragraphs if nothing looks like happening

now this does mean i spend a lot of time later on presuming i should remember more names and events than i do bit this is v normal for me irl also so it helps me immersenif anything

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 February 2022 14:33 (nine months ago) link

Had to take a break after Winter's Heart, might pick back up again later this year when my "new to read" pile dwindles a little more.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 February 2022 15:28 (nine months ago) link

three weeks pass...

While we all wait for whatever's next, a just-started thread on the costumes. (Natania's a good sort, she does these things for a variety of shows and movies and things.)

1 - Wheel, you know what time it is: it's #threadtalk. And, judging by my pun, you might have guessed we're talking #TheWheelOfTime series costuming.

What could be more appropriate than a world where magic *is* quite literally, thread. 🧵🪄

Let us go forth & adventure! pic.twitter.com/HYimEvXKSM

— Natania Barron (@NataniaBarron) March 15, 2022

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 23:15 (eight months ago) link

Finished book 4 last week. First half was a real slog but picked up a bit in the second. Would echo all the eye rolling at Men! Women! though.

Just finished book 3 of The Witcher which was a breeze in comparison.

groovypanda, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 10:36 (seven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

A little update

https://gizmodo.com/wheel-of-time-ayoola-smart-amazon-season-2-1848833256

During the show’s virtual JordanCon panel, the yearly celebration of Jordan’s many books, showrunner Rafe Judkins announced that Ayoola Smart would be joining the cast in a recurring role. She’ll be playing Aviendha, a character that Judkins called his personal favorite from the many in Jordan’s novels. Introduced in the third book, 1991's The Dragon Reborn, Aviendha is a Wise One, one of the three matriarchal leaders of the Aiel. Throughout the novels, she eventually becomes a main love interest of Rand al’Thor, played in the show by Joshua Stradowski. Judkins made the video in Morocco near where a fight scene involving Smart was being filmed, and he had nothing but praise for her portrayal of the character. “Start Googling her now!” Judkins teased. “This woman is gonna make you excited to see more of the world of the Aiel.”

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 April 2022 19:28 (seven months ago) link

five months pass...

Annnnd first peak of season two

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua4SU8oKjx8

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 October 2022 22:06 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

Anyone know if we're likely to see season 2 this year?

groovypanda, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 09:01 (four days ago) link

No, next.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 14:14 (four days ago) link


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