― gareth, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― dave q, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― cabbage, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― anthony, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Geoff, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
Moving *beyond* that crap, though -- yes to the wines, indeed, and
hurrah to my cousin George's longtime girlfriend now wife Pilar, whose
family emigrated from Chile when she was three. She's ultracool (and
a total babe to boot) and the whole damn family roXoR.
Destroy the movie version of The House of the Spirits. Ugh.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 23:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 23:36 (seventeen years ago) link
Enjoy Chile! It's an amazing country.
― Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 01:23 (seventeen years ago) link
Viña del Mar reminded me of what I imagine Florida to be like...
― Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 01:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 01:25 (seventeen years ago) link
Also if you go to Chile and don't ride at least one dodgy funicular then you suck!
― Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 01:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 05:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 05:19 (seventeen years ago) link
i would like to thank the american assosciation of dairy farmers for making this "joke" possible.
― Ian Johnson (orion), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 06:24 (seventeen years ago) link
I always regretted missing out on Chiloe. All that witchcraft and scorcery.
Don't forget to rub Magellan's shiny toe.
― Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 08:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 11:26 (seventeen years ago) link
not that this will be of interest to many people but fucking Chile just voted the right in for the first time since the the 1960s. Fuck fuck fuck.
― Isambard Kingdom Buñuel (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 17 January 2010 23:42 (eleven years ago) link
and the irony of it is, outgoing prez Michelle Bachelet is hugely popular.
― collardio gelatinous, Monday, 18 January 2010 04:42 (eleven years ago) link
Just ate at a restaurant in l'eixample, Barcelona to celebrate the bicentennial of this fucked /cool country.ceviche, an empanada, sopaipillas, chupe de mariscos, pastel de choclo, a wee pisco sour. Would've preferred to be there, but was a nice way to mark the occasion. Viva chile mierda.
― Efraqueen Juárez (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 18 September 2010 23:23 (eleven years ago) link
jim, how did you end up spending so long in chile? work? family?
― jed_, Sunday, 19 September 2010 04:00 (eleven years ago) link
My connection with chile is family : my dad's from there. Not spent as much time there as I'd liked to have, i've visited 4 times, twice for 3 weeks and twice for a month, twice as a child and twice in the last couple of years. Have often pondered going to live there for a while but i'm not nearly bold enough for a cross continent move and use my execrable Spanish, or whatever, as an excuse.
Although I don't know the country all that well it's often in my thoughts, this year especially -the earthquake, the right getting back in, my grandmother passing away, the miners, the football team making the world cup.
Planning a trip for autumn next year. Might take in some of the north of the country, where I've never been.
― Efraqueen Juárez (jim in glasgow), Monday, 20 September 2010 15:15 (eleven years ago) link
Has anyone been to Vina del Mar lately? I am taking my niece to go a wedding and I have only ever stayed in Valparaiso, but now most of my family has moved to Vina. I used to go to every winter break to visit my grandmother and that would include a trip to the beach in Vina, but I haven't been since she died probably 10 or 12 years ago.
― svend, Friday, 22 July 2011 01:58 (ten years ago) link
So, it's all happening in Santiago. Nationwide strike and a charismatic communist student leader. Mash-notey, Green Day-soundtracked YouTube homage to her here:
― Now he's doing horse (DL), Friday, 26 August 2011 15:57 (ten years ago) link
― Now he's doing horse (DL), Friday, 26 August 2011 15:58 (ten years ago) link
Good protest gallery over at the Guardian.
Oh hey, I'll be here for 6 weeks. I have enough family there to tell me about basic stuff, so... where the Santiago record stores and Villalobos style parties at?
― ed.b, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 04:26 (six years ago) link
For records: you need to check out this awesome labyrinth of a flea market on weekends called the Persa Bio Bio, a few blocks east of the Franklin metro station on the yellow line. It's a bit hard to describe so I'll let this link explain it: http://www.santiagomagazine.cl/living/el-persa-bio-bio-flea-market-done-right
Anyhow, ask for "Johnny's Records". Tons of vinyl. Lots of fun. If you have any curiosity or interest, you might want to ask for suggestions regarding Chilean folklore music, possibly of revolutionary inclination. There's some really beautiful, powerful stuff you could probably pick up for a good price.
Other good record shops right near Metro Los Leones, particularly Sonar Tienda and Disqueria Funtracks.
For electronic music, check out Club La Feria up in Bellavista. It's kind of the default. I couldn't tell you about where the underground clubs or parties are (I go back to Chile -where I spent my childhood- every few years, but live in Boston), but if you pm me I can connect you to a friend or cousin who would.
Hope you have a fantastic time!
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 07:36 (six years ago) link
i go to chile
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Sunday, 12 July 2015 22:36 (six years ago) link
going in september to ski volcanoes but would also appreciate any other intel on cool things to do
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Sunday, 12 July 2015 22:37 (six years ago) link
Villaricca is a good volcano, you can't ski it but you do sled down on your arse. It's in the lake district which is gorgeous.
Also hit up Valparaiso if you can, and at the opposite end of the country the Torres Del Paine trek is stunning. Santiago's kind of nothingy.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 13 July 2015 09:09 (six years ago) link
Anyway, lovely country lovely people. Hope you're not a vegetarian.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 13 July 2015 09:15 (six years ago) link
dunno if we'll make it all the way down to Torres Del Paine (though I'd like to). valparaiso is definitely on my list, though, seems like a pretty cool town
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 13 July 2015 15:30 (six years ago) link
i go there 2day
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 4 September 2015 17:56 (six years ago) link
Say hello to the Andes for me. And watch out for earthquakes.
― Aimless, Friday, 4 September 2015 18:03 (six years ago) link
have fun! it is an amazing place. eat seafood or peruvian because most of chilean food is garbage
― marcos, Friday, 4 September 2015 18:06 (six years ago) link
yeah i was googling about chilean food and pretty much everyone says that -- which was sort of a bummer since i love to eat but sticking to a diet of peruvian and seafood sounds AOK to me
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 4 September 2015 18:17 (six years ago) link
it is fwiw baffling to me that a country as bounteous as chile would have mediocre cuisine, esp since they produce good wines
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 4 September 2015 18:18 (six years ago) link
yea it is weird. my very quick speculation based on spending only a few months there about 10 years ago says that:
1) there is a big fast food culture, so places serving shit like hot dogs, sandwiches, fried chicken, and french fries are widespread2) there is less of an indigenous presence compared with neighbors like peru or bolivia, or other latin american countries like mexico3) the cultural influences at play in chile (spanish, german, and some indigenous but again considerably less so than other latin american countries) are gastronomically less interesting than other countries, e.g. peru (spanish, indigenous, chinese, japanese, african), argentina (spanish, italian), brazil (portuguese, indigenous, african)
that said it has miles and miles and miles of coastline so yea the seafood will be spectacular. also the areas with stronger indigenous presences (e.g. chiloe) have incredible food
― marcos, Friday, 4 September 2015 18:29 (six years ago) link
you can get really good seafood all over chile. I particularly enjoy merluza negra aka Patagonian toothfish aka "Chilean seabass", and all sorts of chupes aka stews that are made from different types of seafood. you can get them made out of locos - these things https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concholepas_concholepas - if you like mayonnaise (which is important for enjoying Chilean sandwiches/hot dogs) locos mayo (just locos served with mayonnaise) is pretty delicious.
so yeah, the sandwiches. I love Chilean sandwiches. well i loved, I am a vegan now, which will make my next visit to chile somewhat more difficult. homemade bread, some sort of meat, and tomatoes, chili, mayonnaise, avocado etc. steak with green beans is a chacarero. a completo is a hot dog with the works, where the meat is more like the condiment than vice versa.
ceviche is good, peruvian ceviche probably better but luckily there are plenty of peruvian restaurants.
average chilean meal at home is like a piece of meat, some potatoes and some vegetables. luckily the vegetables are very good! it's spring so artichokes will be in season i think.
the fruit cherimoya is pretty great, don't think it'll be in season, and also they cultivate them in California so you've quite probably had one before (although i never see them here in Vancouver bc despite the preponderance of Californian fruit, not even at stupid wholefoods).
empanadas are also good. September is "el mes de la patria", independence day on the 18th and the anniversary of the coup on the 11th. traditional empanada around this time is empanada de pino that contains minced beef, boiled egg, raisins, etc. might sound bad but is really tasty. you can also get fried empanadas with cheese which are dece. also drink some chicha (maize booze) out of a horn thing if the chance arises.
I really enjoy Chilean bread. pan amasado, pan hallula. nice sort of scone-like little round breads that are tasty with some butter and cheese.
little fried pastries called sopaipillas that can be savoury or sweet are tasty.
typically Chilean creole "drink" called mote con huesillo (boiled wheat husks, in a syrupy liquid with a re-hydrated dried peach) is worth trying for sure.
― you too could be called a 'Star' by the Compliance Unit (jim in glasgow), Friday, 4 September 2015 18:57 (six years ago) link
oh yeah and pisco sour is so obvious but in the north of chile they grow these limes calles limones de pica that are kind of like key limes and are basically essential to a proper pisco sour.
― you too could be called a 'Star' by the Compliance Unit (jim in glasgow), Friday, 4 September 2015 19:02 (six years ago) link
called not calles
― sleeve, Friday, 4 September 2015 19:07 (six years ago) link
chileans love them some beef too. most meals I had there involved beef and potatoes.. not awesome but not heinous
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 4 September 2015 19:10 (six years ago) link
choripan = bbq'd chorizo on a bun.
― you too could be called a 'Star' by the Compliance Unit (jim in glasgow), Friday, 4 September 2015 19:13 (six years ago) link
After he made that comment all the neighbors were banging their pots in all the buildings around me (I live in providencia).
― Yerac, Monday, 21 October 2019 19:17 (two years ago) link
Chilean troops fired on civilians from APC, footage from 1 hr ago pic.twitter.com/oUF9shP9B0— Carl Zha (@CarlZha) October 21, 2019
jesus, fucking armed troops on tanks firing at will here
― calzino, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 00:19 (two years ago) link
I am surprised an apology and changes came this fast. https://www.cnnchile.com/pais/presidente-pinera-medidas-agenda-social_20191022/ I also see that there may is impeachment talk for Pinera.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 02:12 (two years ago) link
I’m seriously relieved by Piñera’s statement. It’s just a beginning obviously, and needs to be backed up by real reforms, but man his tone up until now, combined with the specters of the junta crystallizing on the streets, was started to freak me out, having lived through ‘73 and all...
Then after checking on my family and friends there (including some who live right on Plaza Italia), and calming down a bit, I begin to wonder ... why aren’t we in the US rioting? Brutal neoliberalism for decades, violently racist structures and policy,, and a level of corruption that makes Chile look like a parent-teacher association... why are we so bloody patient[?
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 03:54 (two years ago) link
had started to freak me out, I meant
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 03:56 (two years ago) link
Probably the only chance people can really gain wins. This and the riots in Ecuador have given me joy
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 08:22 (two years ago) link
why aren’t we in the US rioting?
I (a non-American) tried raising this question in rolling US politics threads a couple of times and was met with hostility. There's always an exceptionalist excuse.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 09:00 (two years ago) link
I would think because of guns and people being so imprisoned by their shitty health insurance (or lack of) and being so trained to be overly concerned about property destruction.
It's a shade funny though that the metro in Santiago has magnitudes better service that the NYC MTA. Like trains comes often, on time with countdowns, stations are mostly large and well taken care of...
― Yerac, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 12:57 (two years ago) link
It was pretty nice to see the media here covering older people being vocally supportive of the students and later shots of the elderly in their wheelchairs beating on their pots in solidarity.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 13:01 (two years ago) link
Amusing to think that the Second Amendment may in fact be preventing US citizens from rebelling against their tyrannical government.
Your point about property destruction is interesting btw. As far as I can tell, it is indeed a far bigger deal in Anglo-Saxon countries (loosely speaking, of course).
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 13:02 (two years ago) link
Whenever people say violence and they only mean property destruction or setting trashcans on fire, I am like "oh fuck off."
― Yerac, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 13:03 (two years ago) link
i also think americans are overly distrustful of their neighbors but pretend they are of the government.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 13:07 (two years ago) link
I have no idea how one would go about rewiring them short of a science-fiction utopia dystopia.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 13:12 (two years ago) link
The first night here when everything was being set on fire we both said "chileans do not fuck around."
― Yerac, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 13:29 (two years ago) link
so this is still going strong!
for spanish speakers: i enjoyed this short (11 minute) podcast about the situation
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Friday, 25 October 2019 20:41 (two years ago) link
yeah there is a huge (the largest?) demonstration going on right now. Students at one of the major universities sent out an email that they voted to be on an open ended strike and I think the truckers are protesting the highway tolls (highways are privatized).
It's unfortunate about the amount of looters but I get it. One of the hotels by plaza italia was totally fucked up the other day.
― Yerac, Friday, 25 October 2019 20:45 (two years ago) link
I was reading somewhere that the firefighters think it's better to be volunteer only because it makes them run better and members take it more seriously. I don't know if that is just spin or not though.
― Yerac, Friday, 25 October 2019 20:50 (two years ago) link
oh yeah the whole bomberos being voluntary thing and the consequences of that with all the burnings had skipped my mind :/
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Friday, 25 October 2019 20:58 (two years ago) link
I had been wondering if they would have a demand to the government for salaries but then I read about their pride in being volunteers...and I just don't know. We do have an automatic monthly donation that goes to them.
― Yerac, Friday, 25 October 2019 21:28 (two years ago) link
46 years after US-backed forces led by Pinochet kidnapped, tortured and murdered communist singer Victor Jara, tens of thousands were singing his music yesterday in the streets of Chile: pic.twitter.com/ewr3oUUMrf— hmmm (@yke_hmmm) October 26, 2019
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 27 October 2019 12:39 (two years ago) link
“Neoliberalism was born in Chile and will die in Chile” pic.twitter.com/Gaa90j8zdH— UptownBerber (@HishamAidi) October 28, 2019
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 28 October 2019 22:08 (two years ago) link
where are all the usual ILX suspects with their usual Strong Opinions on civil unrest in the S American zone? I know, pointless fucking question.
― calzino, Monday, 28 October 2019 22:12 (two years ago) link
A Chilean orchestra gave an open-air performance of "El pueblo unido, jamás será vencido!" ("The people united will never be defeated") in Santiago. The song was written in 1973, only months before the violent coup by dictator Augusto Pinochet, who assumed power in September. pic.twitter.com/EYgn7U1XA3— redfish (@redfishstream) October 28, 2019
― calzino, Monday, 28 October 2019 22:31 (two years ago) link
some songs never age.
― calzino, Monday, 28 October 2019 22:32 (two years ago) link
Piñera having a wee cabinet-shuffle today as if that's going to fuck all.
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Monday, 28 October 2019 22:33 (two years ago) link
"to do fuck all" even
We might need to have a general global civil unrest thread.
― Yerac, Monday, 28 October 2019 22:44 (two years ago) link
Holy shit.Tonight’s protest in Chile. pic.twitter.com/hVDyGw9POF— Joshua Potash 🆘 (@JoshuaPotash) November 9, 2019
― nashwan, Saturday, 9 November 2019 13:04 (two years ago) link
my spouse's colleagues and students have all been asking us gringos how we feel about the protests and if I am scared. He is like "oh she has an isreali gas mask with hydration tube."
Our street has been getting a lot of action because we live 2-3 blocks from the tallest building in SA which has a 6 floor mall in it, so it's been mostly closed for a couple of weeks and the police are defending that thing like it's full of virgins and puppies. So throngs are constantly being teargassed and chased onto our street. The whole block is full of teargas and our nice doorman (doormen here are usually just older men in cardigans) is watering our front garden and not even flinching when kids are doing reacharounds to fill their water bottles.
― Yerac, Saturday, 9 November 2019 13:51 (two years ago) link
This is Leonardo Farkas, second place in the latest Chilean presidential poll; a businessman and philanthropist, known for his telethons raising money for handicapped children; who has said that if elected President "every Chilean would get their own house" pic.twitter.com/SP7Bz54Trh— Populism Updates (@PopulismUpdates) July 16, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 17 July 2020 10:17 (one year ago) link
lol sending the solar orbiter to image scan the blinding light from those gleaming pearlers. Without knowing anything about him my first impression is he sounds like he might be good?
― calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 10:26 (one year ago) link
aka Charlie Mullins of the Andes.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 17 July 2020 10:27 (one year ago) link
For someone who looks remarkably like Alf he's sure donated a lot millions to good causes.
― Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 17 July 2020 11:33 (one year ago) link
100% this guy eats cats
― nashwan, Friday, 17 July 2020 11:48 (one year ago) link
maybe not so bad after all then!
― calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 14:00 (one year ago) link
Here's @BernieSanders, in 2003, talking about the American backed military coup that ousted Allende, and installed Pinochet, who oversaw the creation of a new, anti-democratic ConstitutionToday the people of Chile voted it out 78%-21%#PlebiscitoChilepic.twitter.com/sRvu8nKhRz— People for Bernie (@People4Bernie) October 26, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 26 October 2020 07:29 (one year ago) link
Good to see high turnout as it's been in the toilet in recent elections.
Unsure how a new constitution will be able to deal with Chile's massive issues and egregiously unequal society but we shall see
― here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Monday, 26 October 2020 08:10 (one year ago) link
Oh actually participation dipped since I last checked. Average for elections since mandatory voting was scrapped in 2012. 50% turnout
― here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Monday, 26 October 2020 08:22 (one year ago) link
After Chileans elected members of a constitution-writing body, Chile's stock market goes into a nosedive. Investors fear radical changes ahead.— Frida Ghitis (@FridaGhitis) May 17, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 17 May 2021 14:51 (six months ago) link
really crappy participation again. terrible elections day for the right, which is good., obv. just seems to be a lot of cynicism about the political process in general from people who supported the estallido social
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Monday, 17 May 2021 17:03 (six months ago) link
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 12:21 (six months ago) link
yeah it's pretty encouraging. the right did terribly which obviously makes sense given how unpopular the president is right now, and given that they backed rejecting a new constitution. so they won't be able to fuck things up vetoing everything.
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 21:11 (six months ago) link
likelihood of a really big tent left coalition government under the communist jadue after elections at the end of the year.
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 21:12 (six months ago) link
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 October 2021 10:26 (one month ago) link
I think that the good results of Kast (far right) in the polls for the first round is due to the fact that he is consolidating the vote of the right, due to a weak candidate of the center-right. The vote of the left is still divided into two candidates, left and center-left, this should change in the second round. I hope so!
― CarlosDP, Saturday, 23 October 2021 12:21 (one month ago) link
"The temporary death of democracy in Chile will be regrettable, but the blame lies clearly with Dr. Allende... Their coup was homegrown, and attempts to make out that the Americans were involved are absurd"-The Economist, 15 September 1973 pic.twitter.com/lTwsV2a7PG— John McEvoy (@jmcevoy_2) November 20, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 20 November 2021 12:30 (one week ago) link
This guy Kast is literally the son of a Nazi.
― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Saturday, 20 November 2021 14:10 (one week ago) link
and he's winning
― marblesurf, Sunday, 21 November 2021 23:00 (one week ago) link
centre right candidate in Chile concedes, hints that he will support the far right https://t.co/hiwXoKwCRY— jamie k (@jkbloodtreasure) November 21, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 November 2021 10:12 (one week ago) link
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 29 November 2021 21:41 (three days ago) link