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Over on the What is America if not a democracy thread lots of people say people are stupid. People say that pop music sells cos people are stupid. Do you think people are stupid? Lazy? Or just wankers?

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Lazy more than stupid. But I don't like to catagorise people til I've seen the whites of their eyes.

Most people are as stupid as they want to be.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I've said this before somewhere but - people who say people are stupid, never seem to include themselves in that statement.

smee (smee), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I think many people are impressionable and easily-led.

C J (C J), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm a stupid lazy wanker. i'm surely not the only one.

g-kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Me too!

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

i believe CJ

Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

well, that's cleared that up, then.

g-kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I have never met a *lazy* wanker.

Lara, Tuesday, 10 December 2002 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think people are any more stupid than they've ever been, nor do I think people are any more intelligent than they've ever been.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I think many people are impressionable and easily led

I don't know, I think Pete's second comment is very wise.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I think people are more selfish/self-important than stupid.
Many vote based on self-image, ie "I see myself as a {conservative/liberal) so I will vote (Republican/Democrat)." Political parties are a lifestyle choice. People ask themselves "What sofa, car and/or political ideology best demonstrates who I am to others?"
As for music, pop music is a vehicle for making the individual feel that their life and emotions are more important than they actually are.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I am definitely stupid.

I wish I was too stupid to know it.

meirion john lewis (mei), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm of the opinion that all humans have an equal capacity for intelligence and stupidity, and it's all in what they chose to specialize in, is where their intelligence goes.

One example: Yngwie Malmstein. Sure, he can compose big fat-ass concertos and knows more about music theory than all other humans combined, but he's the same dude that "unleashed the fuckin' fury" for all of us to hear.

Another example: People who know every basketball, baseball, football, American football, hockey, etc. statistic EVER but can't finish a sentence without using the syllable "uh" at least fifty times.

Stupidity and intelligence is REQUIRED of the human condition, it's all in how you chose to use it.

In my humble opinion, that is.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

People ask themselves "What sofa, car and/or political ideology best demonstrates who I am to others?"

yeah.. i flip through catalogue and wonder, 'what kind of dining set defines me as a person?'

Most people are as stupid as they want to be.

actually i find it incredibly frustrating.

I am definitely stupid.
I wish I was too stupid to know it.

that about sums me up.

g-kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I have never met a *lazy* wanker

Did anyone else see the programme called Tainted Love last night? There was a guy who got some kind of diseased cock from the friction of two days of very frequent masturbation. He confessed on camera! But he certainly wasn't lazy.

Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I think there's a normal distribution of stupidity.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Most people believe that the vast majority of the populace is stupider than them. Are people stupid? No. Do people think too highly of themselves? You better believe it.

cprek, Tuesday, 10 December 2002 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." -- Frank Zappa

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link

another FZ gem in that vein -- "Stupidity has a certain charm. Ignorance does not."

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

MISTAH SINKAH TO THREAD!

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link

from the democracy thread ...

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Not as stupid as me.

Graham (graham), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think it is as much true stupidity (although I often dismiss people as stupid in a knee-jerk fashion). At least in the States, I believe that people often prefer not to think for themselves, because if they did they might have to consider the actual consequences of things they often unwittingly end up supporting.
For example, many people respond to the charge that America is run by corporate interests in the following manner: "Oh that's an exaggeration. We live in a Democracy." If you start to line up the ducks in a row for them, by pointing out exactly how much money corporations give to both major parties, how candidates are often chosen based on money-raising capabilities, how the Homeland Security Act basically eliminates any liability for Ely Lilly due to their production of vaccines including human teratogens and the close relationship between EL and the Bush administration, people get irritable and change the subject. You will get written off as an America-hating conspiracy theorist.
The point is, it is much easier for people to refuse to think about how the world is developing around them. It is easier for people to vocally support propaganda such as "Iraq=Bad! America=Good! We Must Attack!" than it is to consider whether we might be better off not attacking, and what the future effects of such an attack would be. So I guess it isn't so much stupidity as it is laziness--"Intellectual Laziness", if you will.

Yes, this post is quite politically oriented; that is because politics is where I see this phenomenon ocurring most obviously.

webcrack (music=crack), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

anyone can be stupid, but that doesn't mean they are stupid

barring physical-biological catastrophe affecting the gloop in yr bone dome, the jump from the low point to the high point in tom's normal curve is insignificant compared to the distance the entire curve is from the x-axis

on the whole, vast mental achievements — inventions, discoveries, works of art — are bought at the expense of other areas of socio-mental development, as proved in the example of PROFESSOR JOHN FRINK: "professor frink professor frink, he makes you laugh, he makes you think, and then the thing with the walking ah er..."

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 18:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Relax, Frinky...these babies'll be in stores while he's still grappling with the pickle matrix!"

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Are people stupid... er, um... compared to what?

It seems odd to say "people are stupid because they can be fooled by people". Somebody has to be 'smart' in that equation - and it's "turtles all the way down", as the old joke has it.

Aimless, Tuesday, 10 December 2002 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, people are stupid, but a person isn't. If I see a crowd of people they look stupid, but if I go talk with one of them they are amazingly interesting and intelligent (This may be because I choose to associate with those who aren't stupid, but I like to think its because no one is really that stupid.)

A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

barring physical-biological catastrophe affecting the gloop in yr bone dome, the jump from the low point to the high point in tom's normal curve is insignificant compared to the distance the entire curve is from the x-axis

Where is the x-axis, then? Are you saying that Jim Davidson is above daffodils, in this respect, or that all thought is good thought (compared to no thought)? I disagree.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

"what they chose to specialize in"

Types of intelligence (as seen on some PBS documentary):
Language
Logic
Musical
Spacial
Body
Interpersonal
Intrapersonal

A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

A great System of a Down lyric for this thread:

"stupid people do stupid things
smart people outsmart each other...then themselves..."

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link

People are stupid in relation to what exactly? God? Dolphins? Little squeaky white mice?

To say that people are stupid is as smug and as pointless an assertion as it's possible to make, imho.

Venga, Tuesday, 10 December 2002 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't like jim davidson or his opinions but he can do (mind-related) stuff i can't, hence i am disinclined to revise my graphical analysis

also i don't know where daffodils go, relative to the x-axis

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

To say that people are stupid is as smug and as pointless an assertion as it's possible to make, imho.

That doesn't make it any less true, at least in my experience.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 20:14 (eighteen years ago) link

As Venga says, there isn't an x-axis. Your curve bisects itself but exists in relation to nothing else, yet.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Although, now that I think about it, I've really settled on "I hate people" more than "People are stupid". I've stopped wishing for annihilation of all human life since leaving high school.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I stopped saying "I hate people" after high school and started wishing for annihilation.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Hehehe MISANTHROPES ROOOL!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

venga is agreeing with me

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

trying to get cash to take a cab to work yesterday when the uptown C/E subway was cancelled:

Setting: CVS Pharmacy.

me: Do you give cash back?
clerk: Yes. The minimum is $35.
me: The MINIMUM is $35?

(there was about $30.61 in my checking account)

clerk: Yes, the minimum is $35. I can't give you any more than that.
me: oh . . . so, I can get less than $35 . . .?
clerk: Yes. $35 is the minimum.
me (picking up pack of gum): this, and can I please have $20 back?

Yes, I know I am stupid for letting my checking account get so low.

felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Let us invoke the patron saint of misanthropic hate, Ambrose Bierce.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

No no no, kid, you don't understand. Desire for annihilation comes from love. IT'S FOR YOUR (OUR) OWN GOOD.

(i.e. I grew up while you were being infantalised.)

(p.s. The reverse might be true also.)

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

No, mark, venga is saying, "Where the hell is the x-axis?"

You're saying, "It's way over there".

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link

venga is saying it is pointless to claim that Where Thinking Goes On is set at a level called "stupid": the word only functions as a comparison word *within* the context of thinking as a whole

hence he is agreeing with me

the x axis is where no thinking is going on: ie at a level where humans don't operate any more... the distinction between this level, and dumb-smart human activity, is FAR MORE VAST than the ditinction between dumb human activity and smart human activity (however this last is defined, which i wd not eagerly try and do)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

i.e. the x-axis is undefined and occupies no known space. There is more than one x-axis, and none of them exist.

the x axis is where no thinking is going on: ie at a level where humans don't operate any more...

This doesn't make sense.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Mark S is not stupid.

Venga, Tuesday, 10 December 2002 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Relative to what?

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Daffodils [i]do[/i] think, though, in that they react to their environment so as to to maintain their survival and propogate their species. Therefore they are not [i]on[/i] the x-axis.

Venga, Tuesday, 10 December 2002 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Relative to me.

Venga, Tuesday, 10 December 2002 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

As you can see from my HTML skills.

Venga, Tuesday, 10 December 2002 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

stevie wonder to thread!!

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Daffodils don't think, according to Mark S's definition of thinking, because they are not human. They also don't think according to my own definition of thinking.

What's more, daffodils don't "react to their environment so as to to maintain their survival and propogate their species". Would even the brainiest ILXers claim to be acting "so as to to maintain their survival and propogate their species"? Believe me, daffodils are thick as shit.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

People aren't stupid! People rock!


I LOVE PEOPLE!!!

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I also like how people's arguments for 'people are stupid' are (90% of the time) 'they don't share the same political beliefs as me', 'they don't like the same music/movies/etc. I like', or 'they don't talk like I do'. People are stupid = People who aren't like me are stupid.

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

That said, White Sox fans are really stupid

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

i didn't say non-humans don't think!!

also daffodils DO "react to their environments blah blah" eg turning heads to face the sun etc

i said i didn't know where daffodils were in relationship to the x-axis, defined as where no thinking is going on

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Everyone's stupid sometimes, some more frequently and for longer spells.

e.g mark s lost his asthma inhaler. That was 'stupid', but then he's prob. the smartest person on the board, so go figure.

Now snowdrops they really are stupid.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link

its not the stupidity thats important, its the vicious, selfish, vengeful, self-righteous downright meanness that bugs me. (that applies just as much to me as to anyone else). unless you count all that stuff as stupidity.

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i lost it inside its proper box in the medicine cabinet!! ie it was lost in the sense of IT'S EXACTLY WHERE IT SHOULD BE AND I AM LOOKING STRAIGHT AT IT AND I CAN'T SEE IT

luckily rainy = brainy
and estela + her puppy = personal friends w. st anthony of padua

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't understand the question

Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 23:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Where is rainy, anyway?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 23:07 (eighteen years ago) link

in dunedin

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

It isn't so much that they don't share the same political beliefs, that was just a ready example of an arena in which people generally tend to minimize their intellectual effort. The exact same argument could be made for the other side, e.g.
People are prone to say "I'm an environmentalist! We should save the spotted owl!" without really making the effort to consider the net effect of a logging moratarium on the spotted owl habitat. Many jobs will be lost in an already severely depressed regional economy, and this could increase pressure to cut in, say, South American rain forests, threatening far more biodiversity than the lone spotted owl.

The point is that many people resort to platitudes and jump on bandwagons as an excuse to avoid exercising their intellect.

webcrack (music=crack), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I also like how people's arguments for 'people are stupid' are (90% of the time) 'they don't share the same political beliefs as me'

I think that what prompts 'people are stupid' comments first is a belief that mankind, as a whole, fucked up (what we've done to the environment, wars, race relations, etc.), which may or may not be true, but which many ppl believe regardless of political beliefs. Of course, when that belief is coupled with some sort of political belief it degenerates into 'they don't share the same political beliefs as me'.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

i didn't say non-humans don't think!!

No, but you said: "the x axis is where no thinking is going on: ie at a level where humans don't operate any more...". Maybe I misunderstood your 'ie' (that is, I stupidly assumed it meant what it usually means).

also daffodils DO "react to their environments blah blah" eg turning heads to face the sun etc

Yes, but sweeetheart, they DON'T do so in order to "maintain their survival and propogate their species" (the 'blah blah'). Daffodils couldn't care less about that stuff. They just do it.

Feel free to take out half the words from this post too and argue with the remainder.

i said i didn't know where daffodils were in relationship to the x-axis, defined as where no thinking is going on

Maybe that's how it's defined, but where is it? Once, you seemed to know. No more?

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 01:06 (eighteen years ago) link

the x axis is where no thinking is going on: ie at a level where humans don't operate any more...

no claim has been made about the thinking or non-thinking of non-humans in the above sentence ("ie" stands for "id est" which means "that is")

venga said "daffodils… react to their environment so as to to maintain their survival and propogate their species": this is true because "so as to" means "in such a way as to" and thus doesn't nedd to imply intention (you actually changed it to "in order to", which i would read as introducing intention, at which point you may have an argt with venga but not me, as i still maintain i don't know where daffodils go in this scheme)

i don't need to know where the x-axis is to make my claim, only that the distinction between no-thinking and thinking is bigger than difft kinds of human thinking, which is all i ever claimed anyway

this is fun!! sadly i am now going to bed

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 01:26 (eighteen years ago) link

this is fun!! sadly i am now going to bed

It's NOT fun and I DON'T believe you're in bed. That kind of thing.

"So as to" implies intention, and you know it. You know the rest, too. This life goes nowhere.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 01:58 (eighteen years ago) link

considering what we've accomplished, I think it would be pretty daft to say that we are stupid.
Although we are complete tossers sometimes.

Fuzzy (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 09:36 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.intelligencetest.com/images/normal.gif

Sam (chirombo), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 09:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Isn't it loverly?

Sam (chirombo), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 09:48 (eighteen years ago) link

sam that x-axis is surely in the wrong place!!

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 09:49 (eighteen years ago) link

The grand old duke of York, he had ten thousand men, he marched them up to the top of the normal distribution and then he marched them down again.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 09:55 (eighteen years ago) link

The X-Axis

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 14:46 (eighteen years ago) link

According to that curve nothing can have zero intelligence?
(musht be shome mishtake sho shurely mark esh is right - the whole thing needs shifted down then we can have -y space as NEGATIVE INTELLIGNENCE = STOOPIDITY, then we try to figure out what the hell that distribution shape below the x-axis implies with both very few and very many people simultaneously being very stupid RAH

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, this is doing my head in. Three days ago, I sent out an email to a mailing list giving the URL of the website for the conference I'm organising. At the end of the email I put an admittedly sort of throwaway "if you require any further details please don't hesitate to contact me" meaning "if you look for information on something on the website and can't find it, let me know and I'll be happy to help".

I'm being paid back for my throwaway comment with a dozen emails that say "YES PLEASE FURTHER DETAILS ASAP" or the like. How do you reply to these stupid people? The website looks great, took ages to sort out and they obviously haven't even bothered to look at it. But they're potential customers so I have to be nice. Grumble.

Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 13 December 2002 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Probably just cut and paste information from the website, since they obviously haven't read it.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 13 December 2002 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

People don't like/can't be bothered to figure things out on their own. I notice this in interweb communities too -- people interrupting conversations to ask the other party to explain a simple piece of information that could be explained via Google in even less time.

Another thing I've been seeing recently: aspiring journalists who post questions like "I'm interviewing _________ tomorrow; what should I ask him?" Well, dear, you're the interviewer. It's up to you to produce good copy. Do a little research and come up with 20 minutes' worth of questions!

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 December 2002 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

There's this meme I don't like: when people who don't understand a concept say "enlighten me." It sounds so passive-aggressive, as if they're saying "I'm second-guessing that you think I'm really ignorant, and you're obviously much smarter than I am, oh ho ho, so please, oh wise one, share your bounty of knowledge." Why does a request for information have to be so loaded with cynicism?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 December 2002 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't mind aspiring journalists asking for suggestions of what to ask someone. It is research - just research of a more informal, personal kind. They might well have done all the background research on the interviewee's life and times already.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 13 December 2002 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

It just seems like cheating to me. I like the idea of an interview being an artistic statement, something a writer can leave his mark on. If you use someone else's questions, you might as well share the byline with that person.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 December 2002 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

That's a bit unfair, it can't hurt to get another perspective on something, god knows most interviews are fucking dull enough to read in the first place, and at the end of it all the person will still have to do the interview themselves, using someone elses questions doesn't mean you don't still cut the interview whatever way you like.

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 14 December 2002 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

five years pass...

I thought Dan started an "I hate humanity" thread but I couldn't find it, so this'll do.

First, Are Americans Hostile To Knowledge? from Thursday's NYT. It's too bad the writer didn't reference Frank Zappa's quote -- ""Modern Americans behave as if intelligence were some sort of hideous deformity." -- because he nailed it 27 years ago in a dozen words.

Second, more in the category of "Are people weak, uneducated and pathetic?" I was across the street getting some milk (I live across the street from a Save-A-Lot) and there was a young woman there, mid-20s or so, with her four kids, and she was practically on the verge of tears, apparently about what the kids were making her buy: two 2-liter Mt. Dew equivalents, four 20 oz. Dr. Peppers, a half-dozen Slim Jims, four big bags of chips, half a dozen candy bars. She said to the checkout guy, "You know all that stuff I was in here buying last night? It's already gone, they already ate it."

I hate people, really. Myself included, sometimes. I probably shouldn't have posted this.

Rock Hardy, Saturday, 16 February 2008 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I think I've said this before somewhere but - people who say people are stupid, never seem to include themselves in that statement.

-- smee (smee), Tuesday, December 10, 2002 6:38 AM (5 years ago)

pre-orly thinking

tremendoid, Saturday, 16 February 2008 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Ibn Khaldun postulated that the fourth generation of an established empire is its most abject, since its constituents have grown fat and lazy off the fruits of their ancestors' conquests.

" ..when a tribe has achieved a certain measure of superiority with the help of its group feeling, it gains control over a corresponding amount of wealth and comes to share prosperity and abundance with those who have been in possession of these things. It shares in them to the degree of its power and usefulness to the ruling dynasty. If the ruling dynasty is so strong that no-one thinks of depriving it of its power or of sharing with it, the tribe in question submits to its rule and is satisfied with whatever share in the dynasty's wealth and tax revenue it is permitted to enjoy. ... Members of the tribe are merely concerned with prosperity, gain and a life of abundance. (They are satisfied) to lead an easy, restful life in the shadow of the ruling dynasty, and to adopt royal habits in building and dress, a matter they stress and in which they take more and more pride, the more luxuries and plenty they acquire, as well as all the other things that go with luxury and plenty.

As a result the toughness of desert life is lost. Group feeling and courage weaken. Members of the tribe revel in the well-being that God has given them. Their children and offspring grow up too proud to look after themselves or to attend to their own needs. They have disdain also for all the other things that are necessary in connection with group feeling.... Their group feeling and courage decrease in the next generations. Eventually group feeling is altogether destroyed. ... It will be swallowed up by other nations."

Gavin, Saturday, 16 February 2008 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link

yes people are stupid. even smart people find ways to be stupid. it's a genetic trait.

or something, Saturday, 16 February 2008 23:42 (thirteen years ago) link

This is pretty funny:

Walking home to her Upper East Side apartment, she said, overwhelmed and confused, she stopped at a bar. As she sipped her bloody mary, she quietly listened to two men, neatly dressed in suits. For a second she thought they were going to compare that day’s horrifying attack to the Japanese bombing in 1941 that blew America into World War II:

“This is just like Pearl Harbor,” one of the men said.

The other asked, “What is Pearl Harbor?”

“That was when the Vietnamese dropped bombs in a harbor, and it started the Vietnam War,” the first man replied.

Mr. Que, Saturday, 16 February 2008 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Are people stupid? Everyone is stupid sometimes. Are they smart? See: "Are people stupid?" above.

Aimless, Sunday, 17 February 2008 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link

Compared to what? Dolphins?

Bodrick III, Sunday, 17 February 2008 10:58 (thirteen years ago) link

most people don't deserve to live. just my opinion.

Arms, Sunday, 17 February 2008 11:03 (thirteen years ago) link

off yourself then!

latebloomer, Sunday, 17 February 2008 11:05 (thirteen years ago) link

most people don't deserve to die.

Eyeball Kicks, Sunday, 17 February 2008 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link

"This is just like Pearl Harbor."

"What's Pearl Harbor?"

"You know, that movie with Ben Affleck?"

milo z, Sunday, 17 February 2008 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm smart and most of the people I know are smart in one way or another. It's rare that I meet someone I think is truly stupid.

Maria :D, Sunday, 17 February 2008 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Most people just don't care about a lot of the stuff that people who say "people are stupid" care about. Short-termism seems to be a near universal human failing, tho.

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 17 February 2008 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link

universal human failing

Arms, Sunday, 17 February 2008 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

hey i just found this site through momus' blog! hi guys!

DG, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Good choice of inaugural thread to introduce yourself within.

Aimless, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link

four months pass...

so I had some packages for work shipped to this FedEx location overnight, with my name is the POC for pickup. They were both supposed to come in this morning so I grab a coworker and go down to the FedEx where they're being held and wait in line and tell dude "I'm here to pick up two packages for Jonathan Williams" and he goes and looks in the hold cabinet and gets an express letter out and hands it to me. He looks at my DL to confirm that I am in fact Jonathan Williams and I say "There should be two?" and he goes BACK and looks AGAIN and says "no, only one."

So we return to the office and I check the tracking numbers and yes indeed the other package WAS delivered at 9:56 AM and is awaiting pickup. I call them back "Uhhh welcome to finland what's your deal" and dude (same guy at the pickup counter from before) says "oh, the other one says Jon Williams, not Jonathan, is why I didn't give it to you"

El Tomboto, Thursday, 31 July 2008 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

why bother google proofing

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 31 July 2008 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

tom you should get an iphone if you had an iphone you could have looked up the #'s on the internets while @ FedEx and then powned the guy in person

Mr. Que, Thursday, 31 July 2008 20:35 (twelve years ago) link

is that better for you catsup dddddddude

TOMBOT, Thursday, 31 July 2008 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

why should I need to spend $300 + service charges in order to help compensate for the gross incompetence of shipping company personnel

TOMBOT, Thursday, 31 July 2008 20:40 (twelve years ago) link

i was kidding. sorry about the douches

Mr. Que, Thursday, 31 July 2008 20:44 (twelve years ago) link

yeah so infuriating

El Tomboto, Thursday, 31 July 2008 20:45 (twelve years ago) link


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