Michael Jackson is "evil"

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"I am not a child molestor."
~Michael Nix0n

B, Wednesday, 4 December 2002 05:48 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

The horns signify his cuckoldry to Neek Kage.

Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 4 December 2002 06:24 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"I will take over the world using my giant 'laser'!"

Dan I., Wednesday, 4 December 2002 06:25 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Look at the lit-tle bunnies..the lit-tle bunnies go hop, hop, hop..."

B, Wednesday, 4 December 2002 06:39 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Clearly I was holding on to my infant child very tightly -- see the bruises?"

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 4 December 2002 09:34 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Are you sure he's not saying, I thought it was about time I showed my...."face"?

MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 4 December 2002 09:57 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"....and for my next piece of pointless plastic surgery I'm going to have them turn me into a lobster...."

lol p xx, Wednesday, 4 December 2002 17:10 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"...with BIG! SHARP! POINTY TEETH!"

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 4 December 2002 17:34 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

you know, this is actually MJ's best press photo in, like, 7 years.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 4 December 2002 21:59 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I know! He actually looks like a human being as opposed to a Sleestack.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 4 December 2002 22:02 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

""...with BIG! SHARP! POINTY TEETH!""

...best one yet.....

B, Thursday, 5 December 2002 03:13 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Gah! ILE causes nightmares!

I read this thread yesterday, then last night had a v scary dream where the zombie Michael Jackson was trying to kill me. Fortunately, I managed to partially saw through his neck with a bread knife and wake myself up before he did me any serious injury.

caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 5 December 2002 14:27 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Yes, thats right I had an orgy with four boys, yes four."

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 5 December 2002 14:30 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Im not an animal I'm a human being!"

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 5 December 2002 14:30 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

but...ask yourself this question :
have you seen his childhood ?

well ?

piscesboy, Thursday, 5 December 2002 17:50 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Michael Jackson is putting scare quotes around HIMSELF!! this is genius!!!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 5 December 2002 17:56 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

you know, this is actually MJ's best press photo in, like, 7 years.

I agree with this too, strangely. Was there an explanation why he's doing that hand thing, though?

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:09 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

He has just said under oath that he, like W*lt D*sn*y was blessed by G0d.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:13 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

lol p xx: that was hella funny!

This is the time,
for Belial is merciless,
Time for Time's ending.
In the chaos of lust.
This is the time,
For Belial is in your blood,
Time for the birth in you
Of the Others, the Aliens,
Of Itch, of Tetter,
Of tumid Worm.

Gregory Di prinzio (diprinzio), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:22 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

Michael Jackson is dead.

fistula pumping action (sarahel), Thursday, 25 June 2009 21:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

The real evil is in the ones that constantly hounded him for that BS. He's was a weird guy, always was, yet it gave everyone a license to take bogus accusations seriously and use them to make a killing off crucifying a pop idol with a bad childhood.

Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 21:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

What does it say about him? I'm just on my phone tonight and can't access the .pdfs.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 21:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

nothing really.

larry craig memorial gloryhole (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 December 2009 21:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

er well nothing NEW I should say.

larry craig memorial gloryhole (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 December 2009 21:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

He hid microfilm in a pumpkin.

President Keyes, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 00:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

Giant pdf files, yummy.

US EEL (u s steel), Wednesday, 23 December 2009 00:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

x-post

Microfilm : also yummy.

US EEL (u s steel), Wednesday, 23 December 2009 00:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

eight years pass...

he does seem a bit like an animated skeletal being of the grave here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uelMtJ0Ax04

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Monday, 19 March 2018 17:57 (one year ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

idk if I need four hours of this

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 January 2019 23:04 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah a four-hour doc about this subject sounds like absolute hell to watch.

if you do a search for this on twitter or wherever you get a blizzard of posts from MJ obsessives explaining how it's all a conspiracy to defame him. i don't have the stomach to read about this stuff again but it is striking how much the charges against MJ have largely disappeared from his, i guess, legacy/reputation.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 25 January 2019 23:46 (two months ago) Permalink

really? not in my world

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 January 2019 23:48 (two months ago) Permalink

he's less disgraced than a man who sexually abused children should be

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:05 (one month ago) Permalink

i guess i mean that i see a lot of ppl expressing their love for MJ and his music without the kind of qualifiers you'd usually hear if someone were expressing admiration for roman polanski, r. kelly, etc.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:06 (one month ago) Permalink

like we hardly need to cancel him now, he's dead. but people definitely feel more capable of playing his music, or talking about how good it is, with no qualms and no provisos than they do of say r kelly or gary glitter

or what he said

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:07 (one month ago) Permalink

Where are all the Jimmy Savile fans now?

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:08 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah well, it feels like most people have always been:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36sKMwbwfWc

even around here.

idk what it is about Thriller, it just makes otherwise reasonable people completely lose perspective

Οὖτις, Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:15 (one month ago) Permalink

whereas I soured on him after idk 8th grade or so

Οὖτις, Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:16 (one month ago) Permalink

this is perhaps an instructive thread
Bashir's Michael Jackson circus......

Οὖτις, Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:20 (one month ago) Permalink

funny business is pop-star paedo optics, and Jarvis Cocker looks an even bigger paedo than he did these days.

calzino, Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:21 (one month ago) Permalink

Dunno why we need four hours when Kunt & The Gang covered it all in 2 minutes and 17 seconds

https://youtu.be/0UvHbBZBias

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:52 (one month ago) Permalink


he's less disgraced than a man who sexually abused children should be

OTFM

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:59 (one month ago) Permalink

I've suspected the allegations against Jackson were true for decades, and believed them fully since Robson, a showbiz professional who actually had something lose, came forward in 2012. And I've never stopped listening to or loving Jackson's music. I've never resolved this, nor do I know that I ever will. But as much as the artist-from-the-art question has been hashed to death, I still think it's a discussion that needs to be revived in this case - I assume there are millions of other people who aren't ready to let Jackson's music go just like that even if they're inclined to believe the worst. Is that chickenshit?

thewufs, Saturday, 26 January 2019 04:40 (one month ago) Permalink

I read the big Taraborelli MJ book and I walked away feeling like he wasn’t a molester but just ... way ... off ... in ways that were weird. Definitely sounds like this doc is gonna make me rethink that. What a drag.

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 26 January 2019 04:47 (one month ago) Permalink

honestly I never really had much doubt that he was pretty much everything his worst critics said he was, at least in re. his pedophilia. everything pointed to it. that he was enormously talented has nothing to do with it. attempts to deny or minimize it have long seemed embarrassingly willful.

i've been surprised that people like quincy jones etc. have stuck by his legacy as if it weren't fatally tarnished. it's one thing to be proud of the music you made, quite another to pretend that jackson didn't inflict terrible damage on people (and, of course, terrible damage seems very likely to have been inflicted on him).

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Saturday, 26 January 2019 05:46 (one month ago) Permalink

above all the self-made image of MJ as some kind of "humanitarian," which still persists against all the evidence, needs to be put out of its misery.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Saturday, 26 January 2019 05:47 (one month ago) Permalink

i guess i don't really see what makes enjoying MJ's music while acknowledging his abuse difficult. i can see being queasy about certain of his more obviously megalomaniacal songs, all the "heal the world" bullshit, but that stuff made me gag when it came out. but given the awesome amount of compartmentalization humans can do (every time you bite into a burger, for one thing...) setting his personal actions aside while enjoying "human nature" seems pretty trivial.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Saturday, 26 January 2019 05:49 (one month ago) Permalink

I am in the same boat as Whiney.
I don’t mind being wrong, but I will def need to watch the doc in installments because it sounds like beyond-Frontline levels of awfulness

I will admit that I have been blinkered in what I chose to believe & that’s my own thing that I have to examine

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 26 January 2019 07:32 (one month ago) Permalink

those

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

ok can we derail this thread into talking about invasion of privacy and access to the social media accounts of significant others? (。→∀←。)

but not really tho

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 8 March 2019 17:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

This is a mod we are talking about too. He is probably doing this to all of our facebook accounts.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 8 March 2019 17:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

oh shit, let me clarify: by messaging the people and asking them to take down the posts!

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 8 March 2019 17:43 (two weeks ago) Permalink

phew, lol

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 8 March 2019 17:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I mean, privacy issues notwithstanding, someone could get hurt feelings if they thought my SO was ignoring or deleting their birthday posts off her wall. Everybody involved has been real understanding.

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 8 March 2019 17:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I don’t get why it’s even considered a good story and not just gross and weird.

by whom

steven, soda jerk (sic), Friday, 8 March 2019 19:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i also remember when the "Scream" video debuted and it was this enormous event, followed of course by You Are Not Alone. "Scream" was his comeback (and a pushback against those who made the initial allegations against him).

― omar little,

Comeback from what? His last American hit, "Will You Be There," surpassed expectations and rode the top ten for a while, thanks to Free Willy.

Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 March 2019 19:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i assume omar doesn't mean commercial comeback but coming back from the first allegations

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Friday, 8 March 2019 19:22 (two weeks ago) Permalink

oh! Makes sense

Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 March 2019 19:25 (two weeks ago) Permalink

my recollection was that the legal issues all started up in earnest after Dangerous and Will You Be There? But I could be wrong. Maybe "comeback" should be in "scare quotes", since he was coming back from the accusations of sexual abuse and the single was a pretty clear attempt to confront them angrily.

brad otm -- i think Dangerous was a huge album but the allegations obviously put his career to a halt for a minute before HIStory (which did sell 20 million worldwide, wtf, but it could be argued it was maybe the most New Jersey of all New Jerseys, of which MJ arguably had three perhaps?)

omar little, Friday, 8 March 2019 19:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink

coming down from the extreme Thriller heights required a three-step New Jersey process perhaps.

omar little, Friday, 8 March 2019 19:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i recall HIStory being a HUGE deal (and i bought it!) and Dangerous maybe not performing at the level people were hoping for.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 8 March 2019 19:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

MJ's worldwide sales figures go something like:

Thriller - 66 million
Bad - 35 million
Dangerous - 32 million
HIStory - 20 million

I assume HIStory's sales figures were boosted a bit by the double-CD = 2 unit sales?

omar little, Friday, 8 March 2019 19:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

well not to mention the 2nd disc was a greatest hits comp which gave a whole new generation reason to buy it. whose decision was that, anyway - MJ or the record company?

frogbs, Friday, 8 March 2019 19:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

there was also a controversy regarding the scream video because mj beats up a car. america has changed quite a bit since then.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 8 March 2019 21:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

by whom

Zappa, I think, for one. Cole and Appice both also sound like they were bragging.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 8 March 2019 21:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Btw, was just teaching a 7yo (not the one mentioned above) an exercise involving the 1st 3 notes of a minor scale and he commented that it sounded like the beginning of "Billie Jean".

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 8 March 2019 22:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The beating up a car was from one of the Bad singles, right, not Scream?

Siegbran, Friday, 8 March 2019 23:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Black or White

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 8 March 2019 23:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

XP The long version of "Black or White, I think? It was definitely part of the video premiere after the Simpsons (remember that?).

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 8 March 2019 23:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"Scream" is MJ and Janet on a spaceship.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 8 March 2019 23:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Zappa, I think, for one. Cole and Appice both also sound like they were bragging.

This is a total of one outside observer

steven, soda jerk (sic), Friday, 8 March 2019 23:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink

in 2009, Vanity Fair published an index of detailed reported pieces that Maureen Orth had written on Jackson's grooming/molestation cases in 1994, 1995, 2003, 2004 and 2005: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2009/06/michael-jackson-is-gone-but-the-sad-facts-remain

steven, soda jerk (sic), Monday, 11 March 2019 21:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Unrelated to the sex abuse, but his behaviour over the Beatles catalogue purchase should have put paid to any "oh he's just a waif-like innocent man-child" bullshit in and of itself. Kind of an indication of how he really was behind the mask (pun(s) intended).

https://www.biography.com/news/michael-jackson-paul-mccartney-beatles-music-catalog

Zeuhl Idol (Matt #2), Monday, 11 March 2019 21:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the faxes and the tape on the plane were the most disturbing parts of this for me

Even though the details of the abuse are absolutely horrifying, that's the only time we see/hear the way Jackson actually spoke to these boys (rather than them reporting what he said)

it's just so palpably wrong

Number None, Monday, 11 March 2019 23:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I didn't see the doc - merely here to post this pretty good reaction piece:

https://newrepublic.com/article/153270/michael-jackson-its-different

xyzzzz__, Monday, 11 March 2019 23:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

in 2009, Vanity Fair published an index of detailed reported pieces that Maureen Orth had written on Jackson's grooming/molestation cases in 1994, 1995, 2003, 2004 and 2005: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2009/06/michael-jackson-is-gone-but-the-sad-facts-remain

― steven, soda jerk (sic), Monday, March 11, 2019 9:00 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thanks for the link -- just finished reading the first of these. chilling stuff.

i think there may have been a time when i would have found this anecdote funny, but it made me physically recoil just now:

One Hollywood screenwriter remembers that immediately after his baby was born in a Santa Monica hospital a release form was thrust at him. "What's this?" he asked. "It's from Michael Jackson," said the nurse. She explained that Jackson frequented the hospital to stare into the eyes of newborns. "He feels then that he can really see their souls."

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 00:57 (one week ago) Permalink

that is some weird shit right there

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 01:35 (one week ago) Permalink

Jimmy Saville had free access to hospitals (and morgues) for which he did fundraising, for three decades.

steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 01:49 (one week ago) Permalink

64 reported cases in one hospital alone.

(A 12-year-old girl) remembered being approached by a white-haired porter, wearing a gold medallion and a white coat, as she walked to the television room one evening after her surgery.

The man, who she did not recognise at the time because her family did not watch television, escorted her into the room and when they were alone he pounced, raping his young victim and walking off as if nothing had happened.

When she told a nurse about the incident she says she was told not to say anything or the staff would get into trouble. She later wrote a note explaining what had happened on a page torn out of a Bible, adding her father’s name and address.

She left the note in a red postbox on the ward in the hope that someone would contact her family, but nobody ever did. Twenty years later she says she wrote to Savile’s secretary, Janet Cope, explaining what had happened but she never got any response.

steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 01:53 (one week ago) Permalink

Cardinal Pell, an hour ago, got three years and 8 months without parole. That's nearly as long as the Vatican kept protecting him from having to return to Australia to give evidence! No word yet as to whether he'll stop being in charge of the budget for the entire Catholic church planet-wide. (He was removed from being one of the Pope's eight advisors 10 weeks ago, after his conviction, but is still able to use worshippers' tithes to pay for his lawyers.)

steven, soda jerk (sic), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 00:54 (one week ago) Permalink

HIStory has tracks i've never heard of; Little Susie, Tabloid Junkie, Money, Smile, 2 Bad (featuring Shaquille O Neal).. anyone ever heard any of this? Also who the heck was buying HIStory *for the hits*?? 40-odd million already people must have already had them! The album consists of hits from the preceding 4 albums only. It's crackers!

piscesx, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 02:16 (one week ago) Permalink

Little Susie is creepy creepy creepy only exceeded in its creepiness by the drawing signed by MJ illustrating the song in the booklet.

Three Word Username, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 02:17 (one week ago) Permalink

I recall liking tabloid junkie. The track I love on history is “like a sonic in Moscow”

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 02:56 (one week ago) Permalink

Impressivelt out of touch, Babs!

☮, 🐸 (peace, man), Saturday, 23 March 2019 19:14 (two days ago) Permalink

Absolutely scorching take

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 23 March 2019 21:33 (two days ago) Permalink

what an appalling person

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 23 March 2019 21:40 (two days ago) Permalink

it’s like aaking my Mum what she thinks

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 March 2019 22:16 (two days ago) Permalink

Diana Ross has tweeted defending him too.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Sunday, 24 March 2019 20:16 (yesterday) Permalink

Diana Ross and MJ were very close, it’s not the same as Babs

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 24 March 2019 20:24 (yesterday) Permalink

it's a terrible take, it's also true that i'm pretty sure barbara streisand stopped caring what other people think about her before i was born.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Sunday, 24 March 2019 20:32 (yesterday) Permalink

i was at the grocery store today buying more drugs and they were playing "man in the mirror"

i was like "wow, ok"

the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Sunday, 24 March 2019 22:03 (yesterday) Permalink

Babs did the apology press release

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 March 2019 00:24 (twenty hours ago) Permalink

I just saw a show with an MJ impersonator in it, now I’ve got mixed feelings again. It’s not his fault!!! Dudes just trying to make a living!!

frogbs, Monday, 25 March 2019 00:33 (twenty hours ago) Permalink

His 'Best of' leapt 30+ places into the Top 20 last Friday in the UK album charts.

piscesx, Monday, 25 March 2019 01:14 (nineteen hours ago) Permalink

really testing the "all press is good press" adage

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 25 March 2019 01:31 (nineteen hours ago) Permalink

that's kind of like seeing a news report about the syrian civil war and deciding to head out for takeout falafel.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 25 March 2019 04:31 (sixteen hours ago) Permalink

I just saw a show with an MJ impersonator in it, now I’ve got mixed feelings again. It’s not his fault!!! Dudes just trying to make a living!!

― frogbs

sure but i bet vaughn meader would be hella resentful if he were alive

the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Monday, 25 March 2019 07:03 (fourteen hours ago) Permalink


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