Michael Jackson is "evil"

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"I am not a child molestor."
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B, Wednesday, 4 December 2002 05:48 (sixteen years ago) link

The horns signify his cuckoldry to Neek Kage.

Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 4 December 2002 06:24 (sixteen years ago) link

"I will take over the world using my giant 'laser'!"

Dan I., Wednesday, 4 December 2002 06:25 (sixteen years ago) link

"Look at the lit-tle bunnies..the lit-tle bunnies go hop, hop, hop..."

B, Wednesday, 4 December 2002 06:39 (sixteen years ago) link

"Clearly I was holding on to my infant child very tightly -- see the bruises?"

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 4 December 2002 09:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Are you sure he's not saying, I thought it was about time I showed my...."face"?

MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 4 December 2002 09:57 (sixteen years ago) link

"....and for my next piece of pointless plastic surgery I'm going to have them turn me into a lobster...."

lol p xx, Wednesday, 4 December 2002 17:10 (sixteen years ago) link

"...with BIG! SHARP! POINTY TEETH!"

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 4 December 2002 17:34 (sixteen years ago) link

you know, this is actually MJ's best press photo in, like, 7 years.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 4 December 2002 21:59 (sixteen years ago) link

I know! He actually looks like a human being as opposed to a Sleestack.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 4 December 2002 22:02 (sixteen years ago) link

""...with BIG! SHARP! POINTY TEETH!""

...best one yet.....

B, Thursday, 5 December 2002 03:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Gah! ILE causes nightmares!

I read this thread yesterday, then last night had a v scary dream where the zombie Michael Jackson was trying to kill me. Fortunately, I managed to partially saw through his neck with a bread knife and wake myself up before he did me any serious injury.

caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 5 December 2002 14:27 (sixteen years ago) link

"Yes, thats right I had an orgy with four boys, yes four."

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 5 December 2002 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link

"Im not an animal I'm a human being!"

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 5 December 2002 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link

but...ask yourself this question :
have you seen his childhood ?

well ?

piscesboy, Thursday, 5 December 2002 17:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Michael Jackson is putting scare quotes around HIMSELF!! this is genius!!!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 5 December 2002 17:56 (sixteen years ago) link

you know, this is actually MJ's best press photo in, like, 7 years.

I agree with this too, strangely. Was there an explanation why he's doing that hand thing, though?

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:09 (sixteen years ago) link

He has just said under oath that he, like W*lt D*sn*y was blessed by G0d.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:13 (sixteen years ago) link

lol p xx: that was hella funny!

This is the time,
for Belial is merciless,
Time for Time's ending.
In the chaos of lust.
This is the time,
For Belial is in your blood,
Time for the birth in you
Of the Others, the Aliens,
Of Itch, of Tetter,
Of tumid Worm.

Gregory Di prinzio (diprinzio), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:22 (sixteen years ago) link

six years pass...

Michael Jackson is dead.

fistula pumping action (sarahel), Thursday, 25 June 2009 21:51 (ten years ago) link

five months pass...

The real evil is in the ones that constantly hounded him for that BS. He's was a weird guy, always was, yet it gave everyone a license to take bogus accusations seriously and use them to make a killing off crucifying a pop idol with a bad childhood.

Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 21:18 (nine years ago) link

What does it say about him? I'm just on my phone tonight and can't access the .pdfs.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 21:42 (nine years ago) link

nothing really.

larry craig memorial gloryhole (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 December 2009 21:46 (nine years ago) link

er well nothing NEW I should say.

larry craig memorial gloryhole (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 December 2009 21:47 (nine years ago) link

He hid microfilm in a pumpkin.

President Keyes, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 00:31 (nine years ago) link

Giant pdf files, yummy.

US EEL (u s steel), Wednesday, 23 December 2009 00:58 (nine years ago) link

x-post

Microfilm : also yummy.

US EEL (u s steel), Wednesday, 23 December 2009 00:58 (nine years ago) link

eight years pass...

he does seem a bit like an animated skeletal being of the grave here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uelMtJ0Ax04

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Monday, 19 March 2018 17:57 (one year ago) link

ten months pass...

idk if I need four hours of this

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 January 2019 23:04 (nine months ago) link

yeah a four-hour doc about this subject sounds like absolute hell to watch.

if you do a search for this on twitter or wherever you get a blizzard of posts from MJ obsessives explaining how it's all a conspiracy to defame him. i don't have the stomach to read about this stuff again but it is striking how much the charges against MJ have largely disappeared from his, i guess, legacy/reputation.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 25 January 2019 23:46 (nine months ago) link

really? not in my world

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 January 2019 23:48 (nine months ago) link

he's less disgraced than a man who sexually abused children should be

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:05 (nine months ago) link

i guess i mean that i see a lot of ppl expressing their love for MJ and his music without the kind of qualifiers you'd usually hear if someone were expressing admiration for roman polanski, r. kelly, etc.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:06 (nine months ago) link

like we hardly need to cancel him now, he's dead. but people definitely feel more capable of playing his music, or talking about how good it is, with no qualms and no provisos than they do of say r kelly or gary glitter

or what he said

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:07 (nine months ago) link

Where are all the Jimmy Savile fans now?

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:08 (nine months ago) link

yeah well, it feels like most people have always been:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36sKMwbwfWc

even around here.

idk what it is about Thriller, it just makes otherwise reasonable people completely lose perspective

Οὖτις, Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:15 (nine months ago) link

whereas I soured on him after idk 8th grade or so

Οὖτις, Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:16 (nine months ago) link

this is perhaps an instructive thread
Bashir's Michael Jackson circus......

Οὖτις, Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:20 (nine months ago) link

funny business is pop-star paedo optics, and Jarvis Cocker looks an even bigger paedo than he did these days.

calzino, Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:21 (nine months ago) link

Dunno why we need four hours when Kunt & The Gang covered it all in 2 minutes and 17 seconds

https://youtu.be/0UvHbBZBias

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:52 (nine months ago) link


he's less disgraced than a man who sexually abused children should be

OTFM

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 26 January 2019 00:59 (nine months ago) link

I've suspected the allegations against Jackson were true for decades, and believed them fully since Robson, a showbiz professional who actually had something lose, came forward in 2012. And I've never stopped listening to or loving Jackson's music. I've never resolved this, nor do I know that I ever will. But as much as the artist-from-the-art question has been hashed to death, I still think it's a discussion that needs to be revived in this case - I assume there are millions of other people who aren't ready to let Jackson's music go just like that even if they're inclined to believe the worst. Is that chickenshit?

thewufs, Saturday, 26 January 2019 04:40 (nine months ago) link

I read the big Taraborelli MJ book and I walked away feeling like he wasn’t a molester but just ... way ... off ... in ways that were weird. Definitely sounds like this doc is gonna make me rethink that. What a drag.

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 26 January 2019 04:47 (nine months ago) link

honestly I never really had much doubt that he was pretty much everything his worst critics said he was, at least in re. his pedophilia. everything pointed to it. that he was enormously talented has nothing to do with it. attempts to deny or minimize it have long seemed embarrassingly willful.

i've been surprised that people like quincy jones etc. have stuck by his legacy as if it weren't fatally tarnished. it's one thing to be proud of the music you made, quite another to pretend that jackson didn't inflict terrible damage on people (and, of course, terrible damage seems very likely to have been inflicted on him).

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Saturday, 26 January 2019 05:46 (nine months ago) link

above all the self-made image of MJ as some kind of "humanitarian," which still persists against all the evidence, needs to be put out of its misery.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Saturday, 26 January 2019 05:47 (nine months ago) link

i guess i don't really see what makes enjoying MJ's music while acknowledging his abuse difficult. i can see being queasy about certain of his more obviously megalomaniacal songs, all the "heal the world" bullshit, but that stuff made me gag when it came out. but given the awesome amount of compartmentalization humans can do (every time you bite into a burger, for one thing...) setting his personal actions aside while enjoying "human nature" seems pretty trivial.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Saturday, 26 January 2019 05:49 (nine months ago) link

I am in the same boat as Whiney.
I don’t mind being wrong, but I will def need to watch the doc in installments because it sounds like beyond-Frontline levels of awfulness

I will admit that I have been blinkered in what I chose to believe & that’s my own thing that I have to examine

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 26 January 2019 07:32 (nine months ago) link

Was he?!? I never read/heard ab that. Then again he always came across as an arrogant annoying asshole to me. Hated him as a kid. But that doesn't mean shit. My radar for spotting assholes is defective. Lol.

nathom, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 21:12 (seven months ago) link

Christ who's that fucker at the bottom there?

― piscesx, Tuesday, March 26, 2019 8:33 PM (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The founder of DragonCon.

☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 21:20 (seven months ago) link

Christ who's that fucker at the bottom there?

and in other "kept going to court very late in wheelchairs and oxygen tanks in order to somehow prove they couldn't be child molesters" news, Dragoncon founder Ed Kramer lasted two months out of his 5-year house arrest before getting caught photographing a child in a doctor's office

also added a yarmulke to the ensemble so that it would be anti-semitic to convict him

(He'd spent decades running a nerd convention known for being the most welcoming place on earth to dress as an elf with your buttocks exposed) (and many years fighting his business partners as they tried to remove him from the organisation and keep it a safe place to dress as etc)

steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 21:21 (seven months ago) link

Watched a Neverland bootleg the last couple of nights.

I'm so late to this, I'm sure I can't add anything to the 500 previous posts (which I haven't looked at yet). The subject's so big--too big, like a Holocaust film--I think it did as well as could be expected. I concluded pretty much right from the '93 case that Michael Jackson was guilty of every charge; this was a big topic of conversation when I was doing Radio On in the mid-90s, and there was a single of his in virtually every issue, so I want to go back and look up what I wrote at the time, but I'm pretty sure I was convinced early on. (Before '93, I was probably as stupid and as oblivious--oh, he's just weird--as everyone else.) I know this must be an exceedingly common reaction: I come up so short in understanding the parents (or three of them anyway--the Australian father is a separate issue), that I don't even want to attempt to say anything until I've read something that tries to give an empathetic explanation of what they might have been thinking.

clemenza, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 02:34 (seven months ago) link

The cafeteria at work was playing some Jackson 5 songs at lunch today. I haven't heard any later-era Jacko in a while though.

― ☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, March 26, 2019 6:32 PM (six days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Got Remember the Time today.

☮ (peace, man), Monday, 1 April 2019 14:43 (seven months ago) link

can’t believe that anyone in the world still doubts he did it

flopson, Monday, 1 April 2019 17:23 (seven months ago) link

Halloween will be just the same without "Thriller." I promise.

billstevejim, Monday, 1 April 2019 17:44 (seven months ago) link

Watched this yesterday. Considering the whole process of selecting and grooming and brainwashing these kids, and the extent to which sex was completely central to each relationship, I just don’t see how it’s possible that he didn’t also molest Macaulay Culkin and ever single one these other boys.

Like it doesn’t make sense that he wld abandon his whole m.o. for a year w/ one kid and then pick it right back up w/ the next.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 1 April 2019 18:15 (seven months ago) link

it makes sense that he wouldn't molest a particularly famous kid

frogbs, Monday, 1 April 2019 18:16 (seven months ago) link

the many, many boys he acted like an overgrown child with, and didn’t molest, were cover for the ones that he identified as vulnerable and susceptible

steven, soda jerk (sic), Monday, 1 April 2019 18:20 (seven months ago) link

tbh the first halloween i remember was when thriller came out

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 1 April 2019 18:21 (seven months ago) link

just replace Thriller with Werewolf Bar Mitzvah tbh

moose; squirrel (silby), Monday, 1 April 2019 18:24 (seven months ago) link

xps I wld be more inclined to accept this if he wasn’t “monogamous” (ugh) with these other kids—spending seemingly 24hrs a day with the given boy of choice....

But I guess I don’t know enough abt what kind of time Culkin spent with him. Did it overlap other relationships? Did they also share a bed?

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 1 April 2019 18:30 (seven months ago) link

He took time grooming the kids in groups until he figured out which ones would go along with his advances, wouldn’t talk about it, and had successfully starstruck parents. He wasn’t fucking every child around him all the time. The number of unfucked children at his play parties and in the press also helped convince the desperate-to-be-convinced parents of the victims.

I’ve always assumed that fucking Emmanuel Lewis or Corey Feldman or Culkin would have been insane bcz they were famous and beloved and the public would have believed them if they said “Michael sucks my penis in bed, it feels nice and he says it makes us special friends,” and because their parents had access to a) good lawyers and PR and b) money to pay good lawyers.

Being seen cuddling and lap-sitting and hand-holding famous, beloved children who say “Michael is my friend, we play trains, he’s just like any other kid” might, in theory, convince millions of people that Jackson was an innocent giant child. We can’t for sure test the intention, but we can test the results.

steven, soda jerk (sic), Monday, 1 April 2019 18:59 (seven months ago) link

(strike “always,” replace with “for a couple of decades, once I thought about it a bit & read details of Jackson’s Neverland-based behaviour”)

steven, soda jerk (sic), Monday, 1 April 2019 19:07 (seven months ago) link

My guess also, that he stayed away from famous, financially secure kids.

clemenza, Monday, 1 April 2019 19:37 (seven months ago) link

In addition to everything you say, they'd also be like an insurance policy; he could always call on them as impeccable character witnesses.

clemenza, Monday, 1 April 2019 19:43 (seven months ago) link

He took time grooming the kids in groups until he figured out which ones would go along with his advances

Was this the case with Robson and Safechuck? I gathered from the doc that MJ was confident enough in his wiles that these two were "auditioned" more or less privately and brought into Neverland alone—away from other kids—won over by one-on-one attention.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 1 April 2019 19:46 (seven months ago) link

to be clear, I wan't suggesting above that he molested all of these kids (and I agree that he surrounded himself w/ groups of kids to foster that image as "a friend to children")...only that I find it hard to believe he *wasn't* molesting each of the exceptional few that he chose to spend all of his time with for months on end: traveling, bed-sharing, etc.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 1 April 2019 19:50 (seven months ago) link

I find it easy to believe that he and Macauley had a genuine friendship based on their individual experiences as enormously famous child stars. Jackson was a predator, and he also genuinely was someone who'd been badly damaged by his upbringing and childhood.

steven, soda jerk (sic), Monday, 1 April 2019 20:37 (seven months ago) link

He could dance pretty well and sing okay, too.

steven, soda jerk (sic), Monday, 1 April 2019 20:38 (seven months ago) link

two months pass...
one month passes...

Saw today that Missy Elliott is getting the Michael Jackson Video Vanguard award from MTV this year. They still call it that. Quite surprised--I suspect that ain't gonna last very long.

clemenza, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 01:42 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

I will def need to watch the doc in installments because it sounds like beyond-Frontline levels of awfulness

Once i committed myself to watching it, I found that I wanted to do it as quickly as possible so as not to drag it out any longer than I needed to. The times in between when I was sitting to watch it were filled with thoughts about it, so I wanted to condense it so I would lose less time with the content leaking into my daily life. I felt that I needed to watch to be a witness to what these two men went through if they were going to be brave enough to talk about it. Had an avalanche of feelings and I am still processing. Intense. <3 Safechuck & happy that Wade was able to have success in his choreography in spite of it being so intricately connected to his experience w MJ.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 8 November 2019 15:09 (one week ago) link

i just finished it last night and woke up thinking about it
that's one of the most insidious things -- intrusive thoughts. i can't imagine how difficult it was for them to first come to terms with what happened and then go on with their daily lives. seems impossibly difficult.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 8 November 2019 15:12 (one week ago) link

My son's third-grade class did a cute Halloween dance to "Thriller" and. Um. I am sorry but.

Reader, I had thoughts along the lines of: I am not really sure my brain wants to contemplate 8-year-old boys and Michael Jackson in the same sentence anymore.

Makes very little sense because he's not currently harming anyone but still. The dissonance was strong.

tempted by the fruit of your mother (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 8 November 2019 15:43 (one week ago) link

This type of abuse reverberates forever I’m afraid :(

It’s always going to be in the air when one of his songs plays.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 8 November 2019 15:45 (one week ago) link

Yes, it's weird to me, I would never consider playing MJ now to people. I might play it myself occasionally (although haven't yet since the doc came on TV). I can tell you though that he's definitely not cancelled in continental europe.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 8 November 2019 17:03 (one week ago) link

I no longer deliberately listen but if I chance to hear something in a grocery store or whatever it makes me very sad. The J5 stuff particularly.

tempted by the fruit of your mother (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 8 November 2019 17:36 (one week ago) link

MJ is ultimately a tragic figure and has been since about 1980 or so

Οὖτις, Friday, 8 November 2019 17:44 (one week ago) link

The cafeteria at my work still includes MJ in the daily rotation. This isn't Muzak; just an employee's phone hooked up to a bluetooth speaker. Some of my colleagues are definitely bugged by it.

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 8 November 2019 18:00 (one week ago) link

My son's third-grade class did a cute Halloween dance to "Thriller" and. Um. I am sorry but.
yeah my kid's class did the same thing ... it seems pretty uncomfortable to me. surely there's some other song to do a fun halloween dance to?

tylerw, Friday, 8 November 2019 18:03 (one week ago) link

i hear no less mj out and about than i ever have. heard pyt in the mall recently, the local jack fm station still plays him etc.

ت (jim in vancouver), Friday, 8 November 2019 18:05 (one week ago) link

surely there's some other song to do a fun halloween dance to?

― tylerw, Friday, November 8, 2019 11:03 AM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah bring back the monster mash

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 8 November 2019 18:15 (one week ago) link

I'm imagining a classroom of third-graders doing a dance routine to Everyday is Halloween now.

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 8 November 2019 18:46 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8NaEtxw6hM

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Friday, 8 November 2019 18:49 (one week ago) link

People have more cognitive dissonance about jackson than other celebrities discovered to be abusers

treeship., Friday, 8 November 2019 18:50 (one week ago) link

I have more cognitive dissonance over Woody Allen than I do about MJ

Οὖτις, Friday, 8 November 2019 18:55 (one week ago) link

I don't care about MJ anymore, I only want to make sure his victims are able to move on with their lives and get past what he did to them. As a person he has been dead to me; his music is something I am going to have to listen to because it's part of the fabric of society but I don't have to subject myself to it voluntarily.

of course i googled this morning to make sure Safechuck was doing ok and found this
Safechuck told Vanity Fair in February that he can't even listen to a Jackson song in public without feeling overwhelmed. "It's still really hard for me. And I don't think a day goes by where I don't hear a song," he said. "You go out to have a drink with your friend, you're trying to relax and let everything go, and he'll come on. Every time. It's hard. It gets easier, but it's still hard."

which led me to the VF article, which I haven't read because I need a break atm. still the headline says it all: "Michael is Everywhere"
In the doc, Safechuck's pronoun usage (frequently deferring to "you" when discussing what happened to himself, rather than saying me/I) led me to believe everything is still quite raw for him. :( but he does seem to be doing ok.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/02/michael-jackson-accusers-explain-speaking-out-hbo-leaving-neverland

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:05 (one week ago) link

I can still listen to his music but fault no one who can't.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:20 (one week ago) link

and, yeah, I hear his music in the wild often, less so on quiet storm R&B, formally a redoubt.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:21 (one week ago) link

I still hear his stuff all the time and yeah it just sounds different to me now, can't separate them out anymore. of course this stuff was all out there well before the documentary but there was juuuust enough plausible deniability that I figured, hmmm maybe you don't need to think about this every time Billie Jean comes on. but yeah at this point I'm too creeped out by it

funny enough I just got back from a restaurant where the first song I heard was "I Believe I Can Fly"...someone didn't get the memo I guess

frogbs, Friday, 8 November 2019 19:21 (one week ago) link

idk how anyone can hear "PYT" and not think "hmmm, child fucking"

Οὖτις, Friday, 8 November 2019 19:23 (one week ago) link

oddly the Thriller single I've most heard in the wild

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:24 (one week ago) link

that's the thing with some of these #metoo/cancel culture moments - when the stuff is front and center in the work (see also: R. Kelly, "Manhattan", a bunch of Gary Glitter songs) it's just impossible to get around. For me, anyway.

Οὖτις, Friday, 8 November 2019 19:25 (one week ago) link

"Billie Jean is not my lover. But the kid is not my son."

yuck.

DJI, Friday, 8 November 2019 19:26 (one week ago) link

Glitter in particular is tough for me cuz the *sound* of those singles is so great but then you get to something like the "I'm the man who put the bang in gang!" line and I'm just like... ok, I'm done

Οὖτις, Friday, 8 November 2019 19:26 (one week ago) link

after seeing this doc i can't even think about the word "bad" without feeling his unwanted presence

i read the vanity fair interview; there is a lot of interesting stuff about why the filmmakers did the doc the way they did, how much Robson and Safechuck were able to talk before they saw the film (one meeting, supervised) and how grateful they were for each other's presence. interestingly for me, they also talk about dissociation.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:28 (one week ago) link

I thought the documentary a shoddy piece of work, but it did what it was supposed to, although not enough. I haven't read about what Robson and Safechuck are up to.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:30 (one week ago) link

there was one point in the doc when i was like "can we please stop talking about the dad?!" and i think that could have been cut out probably, though i can see why they included it to show what was going on with their family dynamic. and it was sad, though not esp relevant to the larger arc.

One of the things I thought most interesting about the VF piece was learning that Robson didn't know what his family had said, or how deeply the relationship w MJ had torn up his family until they all sat down to watch the movie together and their interviews were on screen for the whole world to see. As for Safechuck's quiet demeanor, he seemed like he had been mildly sedated to me. Not in a bad way, like he was fucked up but to keep himself from wigging out on camera. :( can you imagine how hard it was to say all that stuff to a camera and then watch it in a room full of people? i wish him nothing but peace.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:42 (one week ago) link


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