No
― plax (ico), Monday, 2 December 2019 17:52 (four years ago) link
THE IRISH
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 17:57 (four years ago) link
Jokes, plenty. Joyce, Beckett. The closest Ireland has to a national project of vergangenheitsbewältigung. What drives me nuts is the manic effort to sentimentalise everything in Irish popular culture. Fucking butter ads. I feel optimistic about Ireland. *About the young.* But there is a national kitsch that threatens to smother almost everything. I probably hate "reeling in the years" more than anything.
― plax (ico), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link
I like more blackboard-fingernail trad music than most people but I'm partly hypnotised by how much I dislike it at the same time.
― plax (ico), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:02 (four years ago) link
Edna
― plax (ico), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:07 (four years ago) link
and the way he might look at you
― gyac, Monday, 2 December 2019 18:34 (four years ago) link
xp i kinda get that about the trad
also the politics of a good ceidhlin or readoiri would blast the skin off ye
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:35 (four years ago) link
I am probably not the ideal person to respond to this given how I am guaranteed to cry at the Going Back ESB ad from the 80s
― gyac, Monday, 2 December 2019 18:35 (four years ago) link
we have a thread for this iirc
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link
Just want to put out there that I was the only person in my class in TY to write an essay opposing trad, like to think I’ve improved since then though tbf that class was traumatic
― gyac, Monday, 2 December 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link
xp sorry I didn’t realise the thread police were on the case
the thread policeman
thread was rly good iirc but is now all broken links ;_;
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link
i went out and researched every criticism of hard times i could find, learned it all off and absolutely tore dickens to shreds in the LC, finished paper 1 with full marks iirc
essays fuelled by dislike are the good stuff
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:42 (four years ago) link
They are, but my teacher was a musician and she made me play Amhrán na bhFiann on the tin whistle every single class because I was our class’s worst player.I did Portrait of a Young Artist instead of Wuthering Heights, which I hated, and also hated that but it was a way I could work.
― gyac, Monday, 2 December 2019 18:45 (four years ago) link
mar dhea, a how-do leaving cert i call it where ye had choices but
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:47 (four years ago) link
^ ilxors who have met me will attest that this is the kind of thing i say under my breath a lot
I finished both papers with full marks, but you only get the medals for useful subjects! My friend got one for one of the sciences I think?
― gyac, Monday, 2 December 2019 18:48 (four years ago) link
― gyac, Monday, 2 December 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link
Lol the nostalgic ad totally summarises the augmentation of Dev hegemony with consumerist realism, such is the shallowness of contemporary Irish culture
― plax (ico), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link
we'll always have the anglo-irish idiom, if its all we have
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:51 (four years ago) link
i learned about the brown cow the morning of the paper and i felt it was just the right kind of chancer bullshit that a fella could really hang some quality answers on, god bless ya austie a mhic
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:52 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiirccLoVkU
― plax (ico), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:01 (four years ago) link
xp don’t know what this is so you learned sooner than me
― gyac, Monday, 2 December 2019 19:03 (four years ago) link
the lost heifer i think i mean
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:04 (four years ago) link
Oh I see. He wasn’t on my syllabus. I was hoping on one of the four poets I did know (Plath, Yeats, Heaney, Bishop) and I had a choice between two I think. High risk strategy cos fuck knows I wasn’t learning Donne or Hopkins.
― gyac, Monday, 2 December 2019 19:06 (four years ago) link
When the black herds of the rain were grazing,In the gap of the pure cold windAnd the watery hazes of the hazelBrought her into my mind,I thought of the last honey by the waterThat no hive can find.
Brightness was drenching through the branchesWhen she wandered again,Turning sliver out of dark grassesWhere the skylark had lain,And her voice coming softly over the meadowWas the mist becoming rain
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:08 (four years ago) link
what i remember about this:
the herd is ireland
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:09 (four years ago) link
the gap is ireland
hazels- certainly ireland
the honey: just honey
the hive, the ireland that never was, the ireland dev dreamt of and up, the ireland that irish americans think of, i-cant-believe-its-not-ireland, 33 county republic ireland
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:10 (four years ago) link
second verse: the cow came back while he wrote the first
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link
lj otm now about Hopkins but putting him in front of 17 year olds in writing rather than read is cruelty
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:13 (four years ago) link
I'm currently enjoying a hot port which is possibly my favourite Irish cultural touchstone of all.
― plax (ico), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:17 (four years ago) link
I've never understood Hopkins. Wished they'd put chattier gays on the LC
― plax (ico), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:18 (four years ago) link
rip
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:54 (four years ago) link
how was hopkins not chatty, he exploded sonnets to 500 words for god's sake
― imago, Monday, 2 December 2019 20:31 (four years ago) link
Hopkins was not good
― gyac, Monday, 2 December 2019 20:50 (four years ago) link
burton reading leaden/golden echo is maybe the best thing humans have done
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 21:08 (four years ago) link
No, I was wrong. My chosen four were Yeats/Plath/Heaney/Mahon. I think of Heaney a lot and bought several books of his, but Mahon I still know by heart <redacted> years later.
― gyac, Monday, 2 December 2019 22:06 (four years ago) link
mahon cailin indeed
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 22:30 (four years ago) link
Gyac I suspect we did the leaving the same year
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 06:01 (four years ago) link
Wouldn’t be surprised. What was your core text?
― gyac, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 08:02 (four years ago) link
I want to say Macbeth
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 08:44 (four years ago) link
A fine vintage
― gyac, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 09:20 (four years ago) link
same but id imagine from an earlier cycle
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 10:47 (four years ago) link
ftfy
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 10:48 (four years ago) link
well it's a given that one cannot simply agree with another's opinion, this is the irish thread
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 11:42 (four years ago) link
Speaking of vintages, I think pom and I are the same age. Jurd “Manly” Hopkins was not good.
― gyac, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:00 (four years ago) link