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once trust has been lost, what else is there?

simon (simon), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Only a broken heart.

Al Ewing, Tuesday, 26 November 2002 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

What is trust, exactly? Why is it so important? These are serious questions.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 00:11 (eighteen years ago) link

there would be no trust without crust.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link

There are degrees of trust. So if a measure of trust is lost, that doesn't meant that the whole relationship is over, but it might be less important to the people involved.

Trust might mean being confident that another person will always act in a way would seem reasonable to you, if you knew all the circumstances. Typically we don't know all that, so we trust people. It's important because it is the best foundation for sharing things like information, or experience, or responsibility.

isadora (isadora), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 00:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Trust might mean being confident that another person will always act in a way would seem reasonable to you, if you knew all the circumstances.

Does that work as a definition? If it does, I don't trust myself.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 01:06 (eighteen years ago) link

there's a "that" missing.

You mean that you don't always act 'reasonably'? I didn't mean reasonably as in 'logically'. Or as in 'morally right'. I almost wrote predictably, but that's not quite right either. I might have meant, generally in keeping with the beliefs or principles that you and the other person share.

By the way I think it is perfectly possible that you don't trust yourself. (not you personally obv)

isadora (isadora), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 01:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I certainly don't always behave reasonably. My behaviour is not always "generally in keeping with the beliefs or principles" that I hold. Am I just a fuck-up? Am I still allowed to condemn other people for straying from the path?

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 01:50 (eighteen years ago) link

"a fuck-up", "still allowed" - I don't know. I wasn't making rules. I was speculating. I have been told that I am not very trustworthy, and I'm trying to figure out why not.

isadora (isadora), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 02:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, Isadora, what have you done? I see deceit in your smile.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 02:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I now think that I was trying to define being untrustworthy as 'not living up to other people's expectations' because that would make it their fault as much as mine.

Maybe the real problem is my deceitful smile. I don't know.

isadora (isadora), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 02:54 (eighteen years ago) link

eyeball kicks i don't think it's possible for anyone NOT to screw up all the time, or at least once in awhile.

Maria (Maria), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 03:02 (eighteen years ago) link

i dont think i trust, hope is a closer description now for what i feel about people and everyday things, a 'hopeful half-expectation' that 'action A will cause reaction B'.
to me, trusting another person implies that i will rely on them to do or be a certain way, and that hasnt worked because people screw up / change their minds / evolve into a different-thinking kind of person than what they were initially.

donna (donna), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 03:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Trust is over-rated in relationships. You can have a healthy relationship without complete trust. I couldn't trust anyone 100%.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 10:34 (eighteen years ago) link

six years pass...

k*ll*an otm

existential eggs (Abbott), Tuesday, 29 September 2009 20:12 (eleven years ago) link

Apparently so otm that the world isn't trusted to type his (or her?) name without it being googleproofed

k*ll*an

dudes

existential eggs (Abbott), Tuesday, 29 September 2009 20:14 (eleven years ago) link

wau

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 29 September 2009 21:30 (eleven years ago) link

four years pass...

http://ap-gfkpoll.com/featured/our-latest-poll-findings-24

WASHINGTON (AP) — You can take our word for it. Americans don’t trust each other anymore.

We’re not talking about the loss of faith in big institutions such as the government, the church or Wall Street, which fluctuates with events. For four decades, a gut-level ingredient of democracy — trust in the other fellow — has been quietly draining away.

These days, only one-third of Americans say most people can be trusted. Half felt that way in 1972, when the General Social Survey first asked the question.

Forty years later, a record high of nearly two-thirds say “you can’t be too careful” in dealing with people.

An AP-GfK poll conducted last month found that Americans are suspicious of each other in everyday encounters. Less than one-third expressed a lot of trust in clerks who swipe their credit cards, drivers on the road, or people they meet when traveling.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 30 November 2013 22:14 (six years ago) link

One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

Phoebe (color definition point of "beyond "color, eg a transient that), Saturday, 30 November 2013 22:27 (six years ago) link

six years pass...

I was going to post the above discovery, hidden in a link in this piece about why the US polls were wrong:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/11/10/21551766/election-polls-results-wrong-david-shor

Probably due to the 'fear sells' tactic of the mass media.

the 120 days of sod 'em (ledge), Friday, 20 November 2020 15:06 (one week ago) link


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