US Politics, April 2024: "Are You Better Off Today Than You Were <Checks Notes> Four Years Ago?"

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Four Years Ago:

I can’t believe I have to say this, but please don’t drink bleach.

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) April 24, 2020

More ppls shd have consumed bleach imo

And aquarium cleaner and horse paste

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 1 April 2024 15:52 (three weeks ago) link

I’m certainly older

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 1 April 2024 16:45 (three weeks ago) link

Good afternoon!

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 April 2024 17:00 (three weeks ago) link

Where’s the rush order of Wendy’s hamberders?

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 1 April 2024 17:13 (three weeks ago) link

Abortion and marijuana legalization initiatives survived challenges and will be on the ballot in Florida in November.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 1 April 2024 20:40 (three weeks ago) link

Although the Florida Legislature has shown what it thinks of ballot measures. If one passes they disagree with, they will fuck with it any way they can.

Great news. We're already strategizing on turnout.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 April 2024 21:10 (three weeks ago) link

👍🏽

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 1 April 2024 21:13 (three weeks ago) link

There's gonna be an abortion ballot initiative in Montana this year, too:

#mtpol #mtnews pic.twitter.com/YAS54mlnXA

— Holly Michels (@hollykmichels) April 1, 2024

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Monday, 1 April 2024 22:03 (three weeks ago) link

For those who can't see it, the language reads:

CI-_____ would amend the Montana Constitution to expressly provide a right to make and carry out decisions about one's own pregnancy, including the right to abortion. It would prohibit the government from denying or burdening the right to abortion before fetal viability. It would also prohibit the government from denying or burdening access to an abortion when a treating healthcare professional determines it is medically indicated to protect the pregnant patient's life or health. CI-_____ prevents the government from penalizing patients, healthcare providers, or anyone who assists someone in exercising their right to make and carry out voluntary decisions about their pregnancy.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Monday, 1 April 2024 22:06 (three weeks ago) link

Great to see!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 April 2024 22:23 (three weeks ago) link

Not to be too much of a downer, but Mississippians got medical marijuana on the ballot and passed in 2020. Republicans were so outraged at the electorate taking charge of their lives that they ginned up a pretense to throw out the cannabis vote AND the ballot initiative process. The state legislature (GOP supermajority) later passed a more constrained MedMJ law but made it clear all the while that voters are not to be trusted with decision-making.

Ippei's on a bummer now (WmC), Monday, 1 April 2024 23:06 (three weeks ago) link

Well, there's a good chance we're going to throw our piece of shit governor out in November — he and his cronies basically doubled everyone's property taxes and people are pissed. So if that pissed-offness carries over to other issues... and it's worth bearing in mind that Montana's constitution already contains the following language:

Section 10. RIGHT OF PRIVACY. The right of individual privacy is essential to the well-being of a free society and shall not be infringed without the showing of a compelling state interest.

Because of that section, abortion is already legal in Montana. So the new language is basically a way of pre-empting Gianforte from trying to ban it in the future, should he be re-elected.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Monday, 1 April 2024 23:15 (three weeks ago) link

he and his cronies basically doubled everyone's property taxes

I don't get it, how does a GOP guy actually go ahead and do that and not think that a slew of his base is immediately going to drag him to hell for it?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 April 2024 23:31 (three weeks ago) link

In the 2018 General Election, Florida voters passed an amendment to the Florida Constitution with 65% of voters (AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION) that automatically restored voting rights to felons once they had completed their sentences.

GOP Florida legislators were also so outraged by that they decided to qualify it to include only those who had repaid their "fines and fees", meaning any debts to the state prison system or otherwise.

Dan S, Monday, 1 April 2024 23:34 (three weeks ago) link

Some bitter as fuck statehouses in this country

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 1 April 2024 23:41 (three weeks ago) link

Guys, I'm perfectly aware of the stakes. We fight anyway.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 April 2024 23:46 (three weeks ago) link

I don't get it, how does a GOP guy actually go ahead and do that and not think that a slew of his base is immediately going to drag him to hell for it?

It's really a stunning own goal. This article explains it pretty well, including the fact that taxes for business property went up much less than for houses. And I don't know how he's gonna counterbalance it — I mean, this is Montana. There is no "wokeness" to threaten people with, especially not in a year when the entire state is united in its love of Lily Gladstone. Plus, the Democratic candidate is a former gun executive. From my POV, Gianforte's in real danger.

From here:

Gianforte’s approval rating is neutral – 37% approved and disapproved of the job he was doing running Montana – but 41% of respondents said they think Montana is on the wrong track, compared to 31% who said it is on the right track.

Sixteen percent of Republicans disapproved of Gianforte’s performance, while 12% of Democrats approved of it. Among independents, 33% said they approved of the job the governor was doing, while 38% said they disapproved.

Forty-two percent of women said they disapproved of Gianforte’s performance, compared to 31% who approved, while among men, 45% approve and 32% disapprove, per the poll.

On the direction the state is headed, 31% of Republicans and 38% of independents said they felt the state was on the wrong track, along with 61% of Democrats. Just 24% of independents said the state is on the right track, along with 43% of Republicans and 22% of Democrats.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 00:20 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah I didn't mean my cynicism about the Florida statehouse to sound anti-ballot referendum. Referendums that get people fired up are good, they drive turnout regardless of their outcome.

they could be good, but when the statehouse finds a way to squash them no matter how fired up people are and what the vote is - that's not good, so I'm very cynical

Dan S, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 00:53 (two weeks ago) link

interesting NJ context (I know nothing, apologies if this is bs)

https://primaries.substack.com/i/143156084/nj-sen

We were going to go long on the last few county party conventions—one of us even made the trip to observe one in person, and another convention made headlines when candidate Patricia Campos-Medina was physically barred from entering by machine henchmen. But several news events have made those entirely irrelevant now.

First, Tammy Murphy dropped out of the race right before the filing deadline. The Murphy camp’s reported reasoning was that they thought victory was too remote a possibility—which we frankly don’t believe, given Murphy had the line in counties home to more than 60% of Democratic primary voters. It seemed more likely that the party bosses who pull the strings in New Jersey had made it clear to the Murphys that they valued the continued existence of the party line system more than they valued the prospect of Senator Tammy Murphy, and they were making a last-ditch effort to escape an unfavorable ruling from federal judge Zahid Quraishi, who is hearing a case challenging the constitutionality of the line brought by Senate candidate Andy Kim and several other candidates. They confirmed as much when they argued to Quraishi that Murphy’s withdrawal reduced the urgency of the lawsuit—and Quraishi confirmed the bosses’ fears when he rejected that argument as “specious at best” and issued a ruling blocking the use of the county line system on New Jersey’s primary ballots this year. (Quraishi later limited the ruling to the Democratic primary because no Republicans joined the initial lawsuit.) While Quraishi has not formally ruled on the merits, granting the injunction required Quraishi to find that Kim and the other plaintiffs had a good likelihood of success on the merits—and the judge who hears the merits will be Zahid Quraishi. In other words, unless the lawyers for New Jersey’s county clerks come up with a new, more convincing argument as to why the state’s system of slate-oriented ballot design is not unconstitutional, the line is likely dead for good. The implications for the Senate race are minimal now that Murphy is out—Kim is the overwhelming favorite against Campos-Medina and former Newark school board member Larry Hamm, and Democratic establishment figures who had been backing Murphy are beginning to come around to Kim’s side. The implications for New Jersey politics beyond the Senate race, however, cannot be overstated.

NJ-08

Nobody benefits more from the apparent demise of the line than Hoboken Mayor Ravi Bhalla. First-term Rep. Rob Menendez Jr., the son of the twice-indicted senator, had the line in all three of NJ-08’s counties. Now, he won’t have it anywhere—which means that rather than getting voters to vote the line from Joe Biden on down, he’ll have to convince voters to seek out the name “Rob Menendez Jr.” and fill in the bubble next to it. The machine is strong enough to deliver for Menendez Jr. without the line in the northern half of Hudson County—but in Jersey City, Newark, Elizabeth, and Bayonne, the machine’s capabilities have atrophied, and no longer being visually associated with bigger-name Democrats on the ballot could cost Menendez Jr. dearly, particularly with Senator Menendez still threatening to run as an independent.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 01:17 (two weeks ago) link

I can’t believe RFK Jr is being taken seriously enough for CNN to interview him. This man is deeply mentally unwell and stupid.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 02:46 (two weeks ago) link

Yea I realize we just had a president who also fits that description

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 02:47 (two weeks ago) link

A HarrisX/Forbes poll taken March 25 found Trump leading Biden in a head-to-head match-up by 3 points, 46 percent to 43 percent. But with Kennedy, West and Stein in the race, Kennedy receives 12 percent and Trump still leads Biden by 3 points.

Meanwhile, other polls have shown some concern for Biden when third-party candidates are factored in. A Quinnipiac University poll taken March 21-25 showed Biden ahead by 3 points when only facing Trump. But Trump took a 1-point lead when Kennedy, who received 13 percent support, West and Stein were included.

President Keyes, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 02:57 (two weeks ago) link

I keep seeing people say that RFK’s support will collapse when people find out what a crank he is. However attempting to inform people of that will end up giving him greater exposure.

President Keyes, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:00 (two weeks ago) link

that will end up giving him greater exposure.

Realistically speaking, the name RFK Jr. is so widely recognized from RFK Sr. that giving him exposure isn't remotely an issue. Exposing him as a crank who's never held any public office can only help Biden - and Trump won't do it, because there's nothing in it for him.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:07 (two weeks ago) link

How many of these poll respondents know RFK Jr. as:

- a conspiracy nutjob (his Wikipedia page is an absolute horrorshow)
- a former longtime heroin addict
- a serial adulterer whose second ex-wife committed suicide after finding his diary in which he documented 37 different affairs

If he ever becomes a serious threat to Biden, the Democratic Party will rise up as one and burn him to the ground in a weekend.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:16 (two weeks ago) link

Honestly, though, the American public is incredibly superficial, and I don't think more than 1% of voters could stand to hear that voice croaking at them for four years.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:17 (two weeks ago) link

I wonder what percentage of potential voters even know that RFK is running.

President Keyes, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:19 (two weeks ago) link

yeah was gonna say he's polling as high as he is because no one's heard him talk yet

frogbs, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:19 (two weeks ago) link

Lol at the Democratic Party burning him down in a weekend. Let’s deploy Carville to the Sunday shows!

President Keyes, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:20 (two weeks ago) link

As if all the shit I listed isn't enough, the guy is into falconry, one of the weirdest hobbies of all time. He's a complete fucking joke and his "campaign" is going nowhere. The thing is, he's so insane it might actually not be a scam. He might be a true believer. In which case he'll have to be dealt with the way this country traditionally deals with Kennedys...

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:25 (two weeks ago) link

Let’s deploy Carville to the Sunday shows!

Even better, we could all write sharply-worded letters to the editor of our local newspapers!

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:26 (two weeks ago) link

I think, like what happened to Ron DeSantis, is that the more people are exposed to Junior the less they will like him.

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:27 (two weeks ago) link

The guy is obviously not going to become President, but polling at 13% seven months away from the election is something.

President Keyes, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:29 (two weeks ago) link

If RFK became a danger I think he’d collapse in the same way so many of the 2020-2022 cycle MAGA freaks did - in the abstract people might be open to it but his personal affect is so off-putting he wouldn’t survive serious national exposure. If he got into the debates his support would crumble to 1% immediately afterward.

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 04:04 (two weeks ago) link

he's not fake rich enough or fake successful enough to sell it. i'm not even sure he's real asshole enough, he seems more of a legit unwell person type. i was so stupendously wrong more than once in getting to here, i'm so scarred.

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 04:16 (two weeks ago) link

Doesn’t his vp candidate believe ivf should be illegal (or compulsory, I forget which, something weird though)?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 11:59 (two weeks ago) link

he's the new Desantis, he's a weirdo freak and the more people learn about him the lower his numbers will go

a (waterface), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 12:18 (two weeks ago) link

remember everyone in the media creaming their jeans about Florida Ron, a real freak who eats pudding with his fingers

a (waterface), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 12:18 (two weeks ago) link

I did see my first local (Chicago area) Trump sign, off the highway. Very weird and both self aware and deluded. It was a flag that said something like "Do you miss $1.39 gas and angry tweets? Vote Trump 2024." When was the last time gas (particularly here) was even that cheap? 1995 or something? And this might be the first time I've seen assholery as an explicit selling point.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 12:22 (two weeks ago) link

xpost Except the media would rather not talk about RFK and his support is driven by Rogan appearances and whatnot.

President Keyes, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 12:41 (two weeks ago) link

he was on CNN last night

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/01/politics/rfk-jr-cnntv-interview/index.html

a (waterface), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 12:51 (two weeks ago) link

He really think his cansidacy was propped up by Beltway reporters and consultants like DeSantis’ was?

President Keyes, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 13:15 (two weeks ago) link

i'm saying he's not going to survive national exposure.

a (waterface), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 13:19 (two weeks ago) link

trump is going to have to go on the record with how he personally votes in the florida abortion ballot measure.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 15:22 (two weeks ago) link

Does he actually vote?

tobo73, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 15:38 (two weeks ago) link

trump knows which side of the abortion issue his bread is buttered on, but I don't think he'll 'have to go on record' with his vote on the florida measure. after delivering on three(!) SCOTUS nominations and the subsequent repeal of Roe v Wade, he can fudge his statements all he wants to and the anti-abortion voters won't mind. they'll mostly hope that his fudging improves his chance of winning a second term.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 17:29 (two weeks ago) link

or, you know, pick your own example of extremely shady and hateful shit that big governments do right out in public. i've been reading about what china is doing in africa and there is a whole world of hurt there.

scott seward, Friday, 19 April 2024 22:24 (three days ago) link

this is the latest horror show that i have read about. china needs millions of donkey hides every year for their donkey gelatin trade. it is causing problems around the world. who needs peter theil and lisa simpson?

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/AFRICA-CHINA/DONKEYS/xmpjrdgbxpr/

scott seward, Friday, 19 April 2024 22:30 (three days ago) link

Did not expect “Bill Clinton blackmailed Rob Lowe”….

paisley got boring (Eazy), Friday, 19 April 2024 22:34 (three days ago) link

The Mena connection!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 April 2024 22:51 (three days ago) link

A VW plant in Chattanooga, Tennessee just voted 73-27 to join the UAW. A Mercedes plant in Alabama is up next.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Saturday, 20 April 2024 04:43 (two days ago) link

a big fuckin' deal

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 09:11 (two days ago) link

Tennessee Republicans have been terrified of that plant organizing ever since VW opened it. It’s a huge win for the UAW and for labor more broadly here.

And yeah that Bouie column is great, connects lots of dots. It’s so important to understand slavery and segregation in the context of labor rights, people tend so much to see them in terms of just racism — but the racism was all about economics obv.

Here's where I recommend a Katznelson's Fear Itself: The New Deal and the Origins of Our Time, a fantastic analysis of the compromises FDR had to cut with the Solid Racist South to keep the New Deal.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 12:58 (two days ago) link

*Ira

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 12:58 (two days ago) link

It’s so important to understand slavery and segregation in the context of labor rights, people tend so much to see them in terms of just racism — but the racism was all about economics obv.

I would replace that “all” with “also”

Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Saturday, 20 April 2024 14:17 (two days ago) link

i been meaning to read that katznelson book forever- thx for reminder. i almost feel like i’ve read it i’ve been so exposed to extracts or cites

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Saturday, 20 April 2024 15:12 (two days ago) link

yeah it's become the touchstone for this area of research even though it's only 11 years old

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 15:12 (two days ago) link

Thanks for that book recommendation

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 20 April 2024 15:16 (two days ago) link

An excerpt.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 15:18 (two days ago) link

Meantime in House roffles today per WaPo:

If you’ve been watching the debate on the House floor today, you probably haven’t seen any far-right members present their perspective against the plan presented by Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.). That’s by design.

According to several Republicans, those members have been prevented from receiving “floor time” to speak because of overwhelming opposition from the conference.

These members have been consistent in their opposition, and it has irritated many Republicans who, while they respect their opinions, are upset they blocked debate and prevent regular order. Others are mad that these members are on the wrong side of history and don’t want them to dominate the debate on serious matters.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 April 2024 15:36 (two days ago) link

A lovely piece on the late Bob Graham:

Lots of politicians talk about “the dignity of work.” Not so many back it up by picking tomatoes and shoveling manure.

Graham always put in a full day on whatever job he was doing, and his genuine respect for his co-workers and their craft comes across on every page. He spent his day at the nursing home feeding and bathing patients and changing their soiled bedsheets with Johnny Denton, “a 33-year-old Black man of Santa Claus shape and ebullience” who earned $2.45 an hour. He was clearly moved by Denton’s dedication to his patients, by his belief that “these old folks must be good, because God let them live so long,” by the care he took to fold the seams in the sheets under the bed so nobody would get sores.

The first part of this excerpt has become political boilerplate; the second part widened my eyes:

You don’t have to be fascinated by people to be effective in the political arena, but it helps. I happen to believe, and I’m not alone, that Al Gore could have won Florida and changed history in 2000 if he had chosen Graham as his running mate. I also believe, and on this I may be alone, that if Graham hadn’t suffered some heart issues in 2003, he might have beaten John Kerry for the Democratic nomination and ousted George W. Bush. He was a centrist swing-state Intelligence Committee chair who opposed the war in Iraq on the grounds that it was crippling the war on terror.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 15:38 (two days ago) link

I would replace that “all” with “also”

Sure, it’s impossible to disentangle racism from economics, but I think most historians of slavery agree that the South’s complex racial order was devised to serve its economic interests rather than the other way around. Slavery was primarily an economic model — and when it was abolished, the white supremacist economic order was maintained through continued disenfranchisement that preserved an economic hierarchy with a built-in class of cheap labor.

I just think that emphasis is really important as part of pushing back on the conservative narrative that, to whatever degree racism ever existed in America, it was primarily a matter of individual prejudice rather than a calculated system for economic exploitation.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/20/trump-trial-presidential-campaign-costs-00153446

“To his supporters, part of Trump’s appeal as a politician has always been the show he puts on. And in that respect, the court spectacle was not a total loser for him. He drew nearly nonstop press, as cameras and reporters chronicled his every step to and from the courthouse. News coverage of Trump and his trial easily surpassed that of Biden and his campaign stops this week.

But another part of Trump’s strength has traditionally been the impression that he was in command, performing on his own terms. What became obvious in New York this week was that is no longer the case, with Trump confined to the courtroom and, on trial days, campaign events restricted to New York and its environs. At a minimum, that is limiting Trump’s ability to respond to the unfolding presidential campaign.”

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 20 April 2024 17:32 (two days ago) link

🔥 @RepTonyGonzales on CNN SOTU: “It's my absolute honor to be in Congress but I serve with some real scumbags. Look, Matt Gaetz — he paid minors to have sex with him at drug parties. Bob Good endorsed my opponent, a known neo-Nazi. These people used to walk around with white…

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) April 21, 2024

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 21 April 2024 18:15 (yesterday) link

rep gonzales is a republican from san antonio and used to have a dogfight toss-up district before the 2021 redistricting that turned it into a p safe gop seat

polyamerie "it's more than this 1 thing" (m bison), Sunday, 21 April 2024 18:28 (yesterday) link

It’s all breaking open, isn’t it?

Can anyone explain why the MTG Johnson stuff in a way that makes sense? Whats different about the Ukraine funding from 2 months ago that prompted Johnson to change his mind.

anvil, Sunday, 21 April 2024 18:43 (yesterday) link

I think he realized he doesn't want to be the person who causes Ukraine to lose the war. Also, they had been insisting that Ukraine aid had to go hand-in-hand with a border bill, but then they tanked the border bill, now they can't make that same play again.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 21 April 2024 18:50 (yesterday) link

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/21/politics/ukraine-aid-mike-johnson-house-speaker-israel-taiwan/index.html

fwiw:

And more recently, Johnson received a key intelligence briefing from CIA Director Bill Burns, who painted a picture of the dire situation on the battlefield in Ukraine and the global consequences of inaction, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the situation. The briefing left a lasting impression, and Johnson became increasingly convinced the fate of Western democracy was on his shoulders, sources close to him said.

Another factor that sources say weighed heavily on his decision-making: Johnson’s oldest son was recently accepted into the Naval Academy.

“To put it bluntly, I would rather send bullets to Ukraine than American boys. My son is going to begin in the Naval Academy this fall. This is a live-fire exercise for me as it is so many American families,” Johnson told reporters. “This is not a game, this is not a joke.”

symsymsym, Sunday, 21 April 2024 18:57 (yesterday) link

It feels like that sort of makes sense but not quite enough, presumably he also knew two months ago about his son applying to the naval academy, and it feels weird that he didn't get a briefing from Burns earlier too. I can't tell what it is that is true today but not true two months ago (also is Trump kind of going easy on Johnson or is that a misreading?)

Will Massey/Greene go after him now as threatened, seems like maybe not after all?

anvil, Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:04 (yesterday) link

must be tough to live in a world where nothing ever makes sense to you

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:11 (yesterday) link

He may also be getting reassurances that the Dems will save him if his speakership is in danger.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:12 (yesterday) link

That makes sense but wouldn't they have also given those reassurances two months ago too? (if he agreed to greenlight Ukraine)

anvil, Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:18 (yesterday) link

greene will still go after him but I think Johnson believes dems will help save his position and/or he doesn't care at this point and he made what he believes to be a principled stand

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:19 (yesterday) link

wouldn't they have also given those reassurances two months ago too

i admit to not following Ukraine very closely anymore but I think things have gotten worse there in the past two months.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:19 (yesterday) link

They've been very bad. This will absolutely help.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:27 (yesterday) link

Things have certainly deteriorated in the last two months, and a relatively significant factor in that has been the holdup in funding. I feel like the Democrats were cogniscent of this at the time, and certainly Burns would have been, and would have given Johnson assurances early doors and not waited this long

anvil, Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:29 (yesterday) link

Whatever the other reasons/excuses/details Johnson's been giving about finally acting -- he's at least said the equivalent of "I didn't know anywhere near as much then as I do now" a few times -- it's worth noting that an effective backchannel has apparently been a number of his general evangelical cohort, both American and Ukrainian, telling him directly "Yeah the Russians have been fucking us up over there BIG time." (Which they have been.)

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:30 (yesterday) link

Basically, become third in line to the presidency, learn a lot more about what's happening at the top of government then you knew being some backseat rando, who could have guessed!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:32 (yesterday) link

He's been using Mitch McConnell's "axis of evil" rhetoric for months about Russia-Iran-China being an existential threat, he's got some neocon in him (with bonus evangelical apocalyptic flavoring). So, the Ukraine funding seems like a good step but it's still part of a terrible worldview.

Oh I'm not thrilled about him at all, but any port in a storm here.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:47 (yesterday) link

I have to say that the fashies have one thing right and that is that funding the war in Ukraine is fucking bogus, the left just has different reasons for not wanting to fund it

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 21 April 2024 23:04 (yesterday) link

you'd rather NATO war?

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Sunday, 21 April 2024 23:12 (yesterday) link

I am thoroughly unconvinced that a war that needs to be won for the cause of Western Ukrainian ultranationalist fascists is one that is worth fighting, and no amount of western handwringing about Russia will change my mind about that.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 21 April 2024 23:36 (yesterday) link

huh.

c u (crüt), Sunday, 21 April 2024 23:41 (yesterday) link

OK then.

yeah, the neo-Nazi problem in Ukraine is real, and the Iraq War was the last and most devastating blow to my sense that the United States needs extracurricular adventures; but it's generally, I think, not a good idea to allow the even worse Putin regime a foothold in Eastern Europe. I mildly support the funding because as yet we've committed no U.S. armed forces, but I'm willing to have my minds changed.

Also, generally speaking, fashes aligning with international fashes doesn't sit right with me.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 April 2024 23:44 (yesterday) link

also: any kind of Orbán-Putin alliance would have severe repercussions on our domestic policy, no question.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 April 2024 23:47 (yesterday) link

otm

Dan S, Sunday, 21 April 2024 23:52 (yesterday) link

yah as a pragmatic anarchist I'm with Alfred here, reluctantly, and ftr I opposed the Kosovo intervention in the late 90s.

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Monday, 22 April 2024 00:50 (eight hours ago) link

a war that needs to be won for the cause of Western Ukrainian ultranationalist fascists

weird how so many fashies are on the other side

symsymsym, Monday, 22 April 2024 00:58 (eight hours ago) link

Not sure what that’s supposed to mean

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 22 April 2024 01:42 (seven hours ago) link

Whats the situation with the funding now, or likely roadmap? ie how much time does this actually buy Ukraine?
Presuming the situation post-election is unknowable

And do MTG and/or Massey still have cards to play re:Johnson and carrying out the threat?

anvil, Monday, 22 April 2024 02:10 (six hours ago) link


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