1994's Best Movies: 30 Years Later

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Rankings come from the overall list of the top 1,000 films at They Shoot Pictures, Don't They.

Poll Results

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SÁTÁNTANGÓ (Béla Tarr; Hungary) [#100] 13
CHUNGKING EXPRESS (Wong Kar-wai; Hong Kong) [#157] 13
PULP FICTION (Quentin Tarantino; USA) [#79] 10
CRUMB (Terry Zwigoff; USA) [#1035] 9
HOOP DREAMS (Steve James; USA) [#639] 6
THREE COLOURS: WHITE (Krzysztof Kieslowski; France) [#1359] 5
THREE COLOURS: RED (Krzysztof Kieslowski; France) [#289] 3
THE KINGDOM [TV] (Lars von Trier & Morten Arnfred; Denmark) [#1976] 3
HEAVENLY CREATURES (Peter Jackson; New Zealand) [#1884] 3
FORREST GUMP (Robert Zemeckis; USA) [#613] 3
EXOTICA (Atom Egoyan; Canada) [#896] 3
TO LIVE (Zhang Yimou; China) [#1316] 3
VIVE L'AMOUR (Tsai Ming-liang; Taiwan) [#759] 3
ED WOOD (Tim Burton; USA) [#991] 2
THROUGH THE OLIVE TREES (Abbas Kiarostami; Iran) [#373] 2
THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION (Frank Darabont; USA) [#444] 1
THE LION KING (Rob Minkoff & Roger Allers; USA) [#1569] 1
NATURAL BORN KILLERS (Oliver Stone; USA) [#1568] 0
THE SILENCES OF THE PALACE (Moufida Tlatli; France) [#1341] 0
LÉON (Luc Besson; France) [#958] 0
BURNT BY THE SUN (Nikita Mikhalkov; Russia) [#1104] 0
BEFORE THE RAIN (Milcho Manchevski; UK) [#1323] 0
U.S. GO HOME [TV] (Claire Denis; France) [#1613] 0
ASHES OF TIME (Wong Kar-wai; Hong Kong) [#1371] 0


Rich E. (Eric H.), Sunday, 3 March 2024 18:44 (one month ago) link

In keeping with previous polls, I've gone with the contenders in the top 2,000 films, but they now offer the entire starting spreadsheet. Here are the titles that carry through through the top 5,000 films ever.

2021	1754	In the Heat of the Sun	Jiang Wen	1994	China	134
2065 2122 Clerks Smith, Kevin 1994 USA 89
2097 2048 Postino, Il Radford, Michael 1994 Italy 113
2203 2135 Legend of Drunken Master, The Liu Chia-Liang 1994 Hong Kong 102
2299 3473 Crooklyn Lee, Spike 1994 USA 115
2314 2727 Four Weddings and a Funeral Newell, Mike 1994 UK 117
2451 2372 London Keiller, Patrick 1994 UK 85
2485 3439 Dumb and Dumber Farrelly, Peter 1994 USA 106
2513 2622 Cold Water Assayas, Olivier 1994 France 95
2617 2575 JLG/JLG Godard, Jean-Luc 1994 France 62
2686 2474 Chinese Odyssey: Part One - Pandora's Box, A Lau, Jeffrey 1994 Hong Kong 87
2779 2730 Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, The Elliott, Stephan 1994 Australia 102
2808 2719 Lamerica Amelio, Gianni 1994 France 111
2901 2815 Vanya on 42nd Street Malle, Louis 1994 USA 120
3099 2935 Palms Aristakisian, Artour 1994 Russia 140
3105 3065 Unforgettable Summer, An Pintilie, Lucian 1994 France 82
3156 3125 Eat Drink Man Woman Lee, Ang 1994 Taiwan 124
3187 3155 I Can't Sleep Denis, Claire 1994 France 110
3257 3192 Ladybird, Ladybird Loach, Ken 1994 UK 101
3361 3400 Crow, The Proyas, Alex 1994 USA 100
3385 3330 Little Women Armstrong, Gillian 1994 USA 118
3399 3278 Pom Poko Takahata, Isao 1994 Japan 119
3478 3420 Muriel's Wedding Hogan, P.J. 1994 Australia 105
3534 4075 Last Seduction, The Dahl, John 1994 USA 110
3621 3639 Once Were Warriors Tamahori, Lee 1994 New Zealand 103
3671 3546 Hudsucker Proxy, The Coen, Joel & Ethan Coen 1994 USA 111
3757 3805 Speed De Bont, Jan 1994 USA 116
3791 3378 Bullets Over Broadway Allen, Woody 1994 USA 99
3860 3740 Why is Yellow the Middle of the Rainbow? Tahimik, Kidlat 1994 Philippines 170
3863 4208 In the Mouth of Madness Carpenter, John 1994 USA 95
3924 4185 Travolta et moi [TV] Mazuy, Patricia 1994 France 52
3942 3896 True Lies Cameron, James 1994 USA 141
3989 3876 Revolver Bergqvist, Stig/Martti Ekstrand/Jonas Odell/Lars Ohlson 1994 Sweden 8
4086 4289 Go Fish Troche, Rose 1994 USA 87
4175 3978 Nobody's Fool Benton, Robert 1994 USA 110
4274 4149 Queen Margot Chéreau, Patrice 1994 France 143
4379 5161 Wes Craven's New Nightmare Craven, Wes 1994 USA 112
4451 4401 Take Care of Your Scarf, Tatjana Kaurismäki, Aki 1994 Finland 65
4489 4353 Little Odessa Gray, James 1994 USA 98
4581 4436 Hum Aapke Hain Koun...! Barjatya, Sooraj R. 1994 India 206
4642 6146 Funny Bones Chelsom, Peter 1994 USA 126
4663 4769 Buccaneer Soul Reichenbach, Carlos 1994 Brazil 112
4733 4590 Bandit Queen Kapur, Shekhar 1994 India 119
4866 5803 Cemetery Man Soavi, Michele 1994 Italy 105
4999 8730 Serial Mom Waters, John 1994 USA 93

Rich E. (Eric H.), Sunday, 3 March 2024 18:45 (one month ago) link

Crumb
Exotica
Satantango
Three Colors: Red
Vive L'Amour

Still haven't watched Before the Rain.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 3 March 2024 18:46 (one month ago) link

oh, duh, Through the Olive Trees too.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 3 March 2024 18:46 (one month ago) link

dumb and dumber tbh

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Sunday, 3 March 2024 19:31 (one month ago) link

Would have said Crumb easily a few years ago, but a toss-up now between that and Hoop Dreams. Cold Water from the runners-up. Satantango for best music video that never was.

clemenza, Sunday, 3 March 2024 19:37 (one month ago) link

#444? How in god's name was Shawshank rated that high?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 3 March 2024 19:43 (one month ago) link

Guess: it does really well on things like IMDB and Letterboxd, and those count in the rankings. Never seen it.

clemenza, Sunday, 3 March 2024 19:45 (one month ago) link

#444? How in god's name was Shawshank rated that high?

― more difficult than I look (Aimless),

It had a formidable afterlife on cable TV in the mid/late '90s and beyond. Younger friends grew up watching it.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 3 March 2024 19:48 (one month ago) link

If that's the reason then I'm curious where Con Air was ranked.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 3 March 2024 19:50 (one month ago) link

And not to open up this topic again, but when the last S&S poll came out, a friend posted that people who resisted Jeanne Dielman were in fact upset that the vote had been opened up to hundreds of new voters. I asked him where he wanted to draw the line on that: would he be happy if thousands more were added from people who posted comments and lists on IMDB, and the winner ended up being Shawshank or Pulp Fiction?

clemenza, Sunday, 3 March 2024 19:50 (one month ago) link

Sounds like he was already happy with the results?

Rich E. (Eric H.), Sunday, 3 March 2024 22:05 (one month ago) link

Looking back, this was a pretty weak year overall

Rich E. (Eric H.), Sunday, 3 March 2024 22:06 (one month ago) link

Tarr wins, and these fill out my top 5:

What Happened Was… (Noonan)
Serial Mom (Waters)
Wild Reeds (Téchiné)
Bullets Over Broadway (Allen)

Rich E. (Eric H.), Sunday, 3 March 2024 22:07 (one month ago) link

My top ten:

Three Colors: Red (Krystof Kieslowski)
Speed (Jan De Bont)
Sátántangó (Bela Tarr)
Heavenly Creatures (Peter Jackson)
Pulp Fiction (Quentin Tarantino)
Chungking Express (Wong Kar-wai)
Vanya on 42nd Street (Louis Malle)
Through the Olive Trees (Abbas Kiarostami)
Eat Drink Man Woman (Ang Lee)
Naked (Mike Leigh)

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 3 March 2024 22:10 (one month ago) link

I remember being really irritated by Exotica at the time but can no longer remember why: something to do with the narrative withholding certain plot points/chronology games struck me as pointless at the time. Would probably like it now. Miramax really pushed the "erotic thriller" angle on it and apparently successfully, as it ran in my local arthouse for a year, as for that matter did Heavenly Creatures .

I liked Crumb but having been a fan and read the mammoth interview TCJ interview a few years earlier was prepared for a lot of the more "shocking", distressing stuff.

In The Heat of the Sun is really good, a worthy addition to the canon of East Asian youth films. At the time it wasn't easy to find so a pen pal in Hong Kong mailed me a VCD!

Travolta Et Moi is another one that was tough to find for a while. There's never been a box set of the "Tous les garçons et les filles de leur âge" series, has there?

Will be boring and vote for the movie which Mike D'Angelo (I think) once wrote contains The Shot.

gjoon1, Sunday, 3 March 2024 22:51 (one month ago) link

Great year. Sátántangó gets my vote, but what's probably my top ten:

Sátántangó [Béla Tarr]
Blue/White/Red [Krzysztof Kieslowski]
L'eau froide [Olivier Assayas]
Chungking Express [Wong Kar-wai]
Exotica [Atom Egoyan]
Crumb [Terry Zwigoff]
The Chartres Series [Stan Brakhage]
Through the Olive Trees [Abbas Kiarostami]
US Go Home [Claire Denis]
Hoop Dreams [Steve James]

birdistheword, Monday, 4 March 2024 01:29 (one month ago) link

(I thought Leigh's Naked was 1993?)

birdistheword, Monday, 4 March 2024 01:30 (one month ago) link

It didn't get a general U.S. release date until spring '94.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 March 2024 11:15 (one month ago) link

Voted Sátántangó, but lots of goodies here. Would rather watch Shawshank Redemption than Natural Born Killers again.

Ward Fowler, Monday, 4 March 2024 11:23 (one month ago) link

Same, just above Vive L'Amourand Ashes of Time.

THROUGH THE OLIVE TREES is the one that I haven't seen

xyzzzz__, Monday, 4 March 2024 11:51 (one month ago) link

What Happened Was…is probably the best American narrative film from said year. Saw Noonan present his print of it some years back. He discussed how the film basically lead to the dissolution of his marriage

beamish13, Monday, 4 March 2024 20:42 (one month ago) link

I love in the heat of the sun

cozen itt (wins), Monday, 4 March 2024 20:47 (one month ago) link

Either Siskel or Ebert also top tenned What Happened Was...

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 March 2024 20:51 (one month ago) link

And not to open up this topic again, but when the last S&S poll came out, a friend posted that people who resisted _Jeanne Dielman_ were in fact upset that the vote had been opened up to hundreds of new voters. I asked him where he wanted to draw the line on that: would he be happy if thousands more were added from people who posted comments and lists on IMDB, and the winner ended up being _Shawshank_ or _Pulp Fiction_?


seems like an incredibly easy line to draw

cozen itt (wins), Monday, 4 March 2024 20:52 (one month ago) link

In the Heat of the Sun is dying for a restoration and re-release

beamish13, Monday, 4 March 2024 20:59 (one month ago) link

(xpost) Where would that be?

My friend's original comment: "They aren't pushing back on the idea that it's the greatest film ever made. They are pushing back on the idea that the great unwashed are allowed to take part in the poll. The implication is that if those people weren't invited in, we could all rest assured that Vertigo and Kane are the greatest films ever." (And yes--xposts--he was very happy with the 2022 result.)

So my guess is you're going to say the line is at published critic/film writer, and that something like IMDB wouldn't count. But the way he framed it, it was more like the poll became less elitist and more democratic in 2022. So I'm saying "Okay, where do you draw that line?"

This should be moved to a different thread, I know. Sorry--to me it seems related to Aimless's Shawsank question.

clemenza, Monday, 4 March 2024 21:05 (one month ago) link

So my guess is you're going to say the line is at published critic/film writer,

yes

and that something like IMDB wouldn't count.

yes

But the way he framed it, it was more like the poll became less elitist and more democratic in 2022.

yes

So I'm saying "Okay, where do you draw that line?"

See above?

cozen itt (wins), Monday, 4 March 2024 21:09 (one month ago) link

We can collectively move past The Shawshank Redemption

beamish13, Monday, 4 March 2024 21:16 (one month ago) link

So--and this is what I was implicitly suggesting to my friend--more democracy's a good thing, right up to the point where you like the result. Past that point, no.

clemenza, Monday, 4 March 2024 21:16 (one month ago) link

Forrest Gump should be retroactively unmade

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 March 2024 21:18 (one month ago) link

A local rep has Natural Born Killers scheduled soon. I might go--I soured on that second time I saw it--so ugly--and have never gone back.

clemenza, Monday, 4 March 2024 21:19 (one month ago) link

still love Ed Wood. the scene with Martin Landau faking being drowned by an octopus because they didn't have the motor for it still kills me

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 March 2024 21:19 (one month ago) link

Definitely go for NBK if it’s in 35. I agree with producer Jane Hamsher that the final minute should never have been a part of it, and that it dates the movie too much

beamish13, Monday, 4 March 2024 21:20 (one month ago) link

Leon, I got put off by some of the creepy scenes w/ Natalie Portman and couldn't finish even though I had been enjoying it.

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 March 2024 21:21 (one month ago) link

The non-North America cut of LEON goes too overboard with the Lolita aspect

beamish13, Monday, 4 March 2024 21:21 (one month ago) link

lol

Widening the voter pool to be more democratic/inclusive WITHIN THE WELL ESTABLISHED, COMMONSENSE, IMMEDIATELY UNDERSTOOD BY ANYONE WHO ISNT A DUNCE, SCOPE OF A SIGHT AND SOUND CRITICS’ POLL

viz

published critic/film writer,

is different from changing the critics’ poll to a readers’ poll, for reasons that are immediately &c

If we are drawing a line it should be to strike out this dumb as shit slippery slope argument

cozen itt (wins), Monday, 4 March 2024 21:34 (one month ago) link

Anyway dumb & dumber

cozen itt (wins), Monday, 4 March 2024 21:40 (one month ago) link

Peter Farrelly was a great novelist who ran out of steam as a filmmaker fairly quickly

beamish13, Monday, 4 March 2024 21:42 (one month ago) link

extremely tempted to vote for Riget

Morris O’Shea Salazar (Noodle Vague), Monday, 4 March 2024 21:48 (one month ago) link

Riget is hysterical

beamish13, Monday, 4 March 2024 21:49 (one month ago) link

Easily Satantango followed by Hoop Dreams

Slim is an Alien, Monday, 4 March 2024 21:56 (one month ago) link

I overlooked Cemetery Man, Loved it at the time. Would like to see it again but the only Region 1 option is a $55 four-disc set that I really don't need. October Films was a great distributor but they kind of botched the marketing on it back then (in 1996). Can't say I blame them, it's hard to classify. In an alternate world Soavi would be the Johnnie To of Italian genre cinema -- the lone holdout keeping it alive and vital -- but it wasn't to be.

gjoon1, Monday, 4 March 2024 23:29 (one month ago) link

Cemetery Man just got a 4K restoration

beamish13, Monday, 4 March 2024 23:30 (one month ago) link

(xposts) I'd press you on this point, but as soon as "dumb" and "dunce" make their first appearance, I lose interest.

Took me two or three screeings to really appreciate how great Hoop Dreams is--as a family film every bit as much as a basketball film.

clemenza, Monday, 4 March 2024 23:34 (one month ago) link

The song sung at the funeral of the people killed in the bus accident still slays me

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 March 2024 23:38 (one month ago) link

Remembering that 1994 was the year of the baseball strike reminds me that my real favourite film that year was Ken Burns' Baseball.

clemenza, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 00:26 (one month ago) link

voted for Chungking Express

Dan S, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 00:33 (one month ago) link

I won a VIP pass to TIFF in 1994, and saw a lot of these films there.

At the time, my favourite film of the year was Yang's Confucian Confusion, which barely missed these lists. Incidentally, my favourite Haneke 71 Fragments of a Chronology of Chance is on the list as a 1995 production, but I'm sure I saw it at TIFF this year.

Bad stuff: I can't bear Egoyan when he's frothing up mysteries based entirely on information that he's keeping from the audience, with a hefty load of mystification on top. The first half of Natural Born Killers is great, the second half is garbage. Before the Rain is watchable, but its ironies are heavily underlined, do you see?!?. Ashes of Time looks beautiful but it couldn't be more incoherent if every shot had been spliced to the next at random.

Only poll option I haven't seen that I would like to is the Claire Denis, part of the same French TV series “All the Boys and Girls of Their Time” mentioned above (along with Techine's Wild Reeds (which is on the list as 1993), and L'eau froide from the lower list). Never saw Hoop Dreams cos every clip I saw from it made it the video-to-film transfer appear unwatchable (and I didn't need a film to tell me that pinning one's hopes on becoming a basketball star is an impossible long shot).

Meanwhile, I'm watching Dekalog for the first time this week, and I'm still convinced that Blanc is not only better than Rouge (or Bleu), it may be the centre of his universe.

I feel like I can't not vote for Sátántangó, but I'll be hurt if The Kingdom gets no votes.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 7 March 2024 02:39 (one month ago) link

three colours RED was a great one (white suckkkkkked). also heavenly creatures. prob red for me.

Swen, Thursday, 7 March 2024 04:58 (one month ago) link

Hoop Dreams is about surviving the projects, including the hypocrisy of schools and religious institutions that are ostensibly trying to "help" disadvantaged kids living in poverty. If it was just about basketball (which it was initially, when they thought they'd be shooting a short film for a few months to show on PBS) it could've followed anybody, but choosing those two changed things immensely.

FWIW Frederick Wiseman shot one of his greatest films a few years later in a different Chicago housing project. 30 minutes longer, the two would make an epic double-feature, one I wish every registered voter would watch with the hopes that most viewers wouldn't turn out to be callous sociopaths.

birdistheword, Thursday, 7 March 2024 05:58 (one month ago) link

(not all schools and religious institutions mind you)

birdistheword, Thursday, 7 March 2024 05:59 (one month ago) link

...and I'd also say that a disinterest in rich people problems is probably a good reason not to watch Kane!

― Halfway there but for you,

It's not.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 March 2024 13:44 (one month ago) link

That's there, of course, but you just can't reduce the film to that; it'd be easy to write one-sentence summaries of just about any great film that'll make them sound obvious or worse. ("Rich newspaper tycoon discovers that money can't buy happiness.")

Was quite surprised to see this sort of logic make a comeback in a lot of ppl's reactions to Zone Of Interest! Like films are delivery methods for helpful info and if you already know the info there's no point in watching.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 7 March 2024 17:21 (one month ago) link

As always, it's not the "what" but the "how," but Halfway's objections to Hoop Dreams seem to be addressing both, imo

Rich E. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 March 2024 17:27 (one month ago) link

(xpost) I was guilty of that myself with Zone of Interest; took a second viewing to look past that.

clemenza, Thursday, 7 March 2024 17:42 (one month ago) link

Like films are delivery methods for helpful info and if you already know the info there's no point in watching.

Well, I didn't watch Sátántangó because of a particular interest in miserable rural Hungarians and their animals, I did it because I'd heard that this director had an interesting point of view and grasp of structure. Maybe someone made a reference to Tarkovsky. With documentaries I'm a little more selective based on topic.

It's not.

I'm just averse to telling other people what they should watch. Like not everyone is going to overcome a natural resistance to miserable rural Hungarians and their animals.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 7 March 2024 17:48 (one month ago) link

It's possible miserable rural Hungarians don't want to watch films about miserable rural Hungarian either.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 March 2024 19:12 (one month ago) link

Less than anyone!

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 7 March 2024 19:13 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Monday, 25 March 2024 00:01 (three weeks ago) link

Chungking Express focuses on two cops, Takeshi Kaneshiro’s cop 223 and Tony Leung’s cop 663, and their romantic entanglements, and on ‘fateful encounters, missed connections, and of wishes that don’t come true’

That it all takes place in and right outside of the Chungking Mansions is a big part of what is fascinating about it to me

Dan S, Monday, 25 March 2024 00:24 (three weeks ago) link

Voted Satantango though I think Chungking Express will probably win. Riget is great too, but I doubt that will get a lot of votes.

Vintage, Monday, 25 March 2024 00:44 (three weeks ago) link

Felt so ripped off when I realised Chunking Express isn't about a train :(

Great movie tho!

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 25 March 2024 11:18 (three weeks ago) link

My problem with Chungking Express is that I know Chungking Mansions and expected it to capture the bizzare, frantic, dangerous atmosphere the place has, but it doesn't feel anything like it.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 25 March 2024 11:53 (three weeks ago) link

Some goodies. Been a while since I saw Red, Exotica, Heavenly Creatures, Pulp Fiction ... peak Miramax.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 March 2024 12:12 (three weeks ago) link

exotica vs. red, an impossible choice

ivy., Monday, 25 March 2024 13:00 (three weeks ago) link

I still have very fond memories of first seeing Chungking Express, I think I was about 18 at the time I saw it, I had never seen anything like it. One of the very important movies for me because it led me to really start seeking out foreign language movies, whereas before that I was interested in movies and sought out older or lesser-known stuff but still mostly stuck to Hollywood movies.

silverfish, Monday, 25 March 2024 13:29 (three weeks ago) link

I love Chungking Express and somehow did not know until a few days ago that Tony Leung's apartment in the movie was Christopher Doyle's actual apartment at the time.

Chris L, Monday, 25 March 2024 13:31 (three weeks ago) link

Gonna speak up for Vanya on 42nd Street again, especially for Wallace Shawn and Brooke Smith.

I said fuck it and voted for Red.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 March 2024 13:33 (three weeks ago) link

Ashes Of Time and Chunking is a hell of a one two punch.

Ed Wood great, perhaps not Burton's only great one but I think the only one that doesn't make me think of his subsequent work and cringe

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 25 March 2024 13:35 (three weeks ago) link

would be a good bit for someone to vote forrest gump

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 25 March 2024 13:35 (three weeks ago) link

We're to the point where I have more respect for a Forrest Gump vote than a Shawshank one

Rich E. (Eric H.), Monday, 25 March 2024 14:51 (three weeks ago) link

Dave Kehr has championed Robert Zemeckis far more than any other critic I know and may be the only I take seriously who considers Zemeckis one of the great auteurs. He gave an impassioned defense for Forrest Gump in Film Comment - I didn't agree with it, but if you have JSTOR access, you can find it here, but I think Jonathan Rosenbaum was more on the mark.

birdistheword, Monday, 25 March 2024 20:41 (three weeks ago) link

Don’t get mad at me Eric H

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 25 March 2024 20:59 (three weeks ago) link

so long as you didn't vote for it

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 March 2024 21:06 (three weeks ago) link

Well, I’ve seen six and half of these movies.

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 25 March 2024 21:22 (three weeks ago) link

Kael--retired before Forrest Gump (suspect she would have panned it)--liked Used Cars. Think I saw it ages ago.

clemenza, Monday, 25 March 2024 21:29 (three weeks ago) link

gump does exactly what it wants to, which is one way to mark a movie

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 25 March 2024 21:36 (three weeks ago) link

voted through the olive trees, i love a lot of the options but everything kiarostami made from 88 to 98 truly ranks among the best films ever made

intheblanks, Monday, 25 March 2024 21:56 (three weeks ago) link

Kael--retired before Forrest Gump (suspect she would have panned it)--liked Used Cars. Think I saw it ages ago.

Zemeckis had a pretty great run! I don't care for a lot of the big 80's ReadyPlayerOnecore movies but those bttf films are solid, I Want To Hold Your Hand one of the best films sbout fandom, Roger Rabbit of course a masterpiece.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 25 March 2024 22:08 (three weeks ago) link

I don't much like the third BTTF, but until Gump I wouldn't say there's a single film in his rep that isn't at least good or better

Rich E. (Eric H.), Monday, 25 March 2024 22:10 (three weeks ago) link

(Death Becomes Her is, of course, maybe the best studio film of the '90s after Showgirls)

Rich E. (Eric H.), Monday, 25 March 2024 22:10 (three weeks ago) link

I said that Kael never reviewed Forrest Gump--actually she did, except it was called Rain Man then (another director where she liked early work): "Forrest Gump is Tom Hanks humping one note on a piano for two hours and twenty-two minutes."

clemenza, Monday, 25 March 2024 23:31 (three weeks ago) link

If we're talking about Kael again, I do remember her remarks to EW in 1994:

Even in retirement Kael can be counted on for an adversarial voice. What’d she think of Forrest Gump? ”I hated it thoroughly,” she says, citing its ”Reagan-era” view of the counterculture. As for The River Wild, she says only, ”I took my grandson. It’s great for kids.

”I didn’t go to The Lion King,” Kael says, then adds, ”I draw the line at Disney.” Pulp Fiction? ”I enjoyed it hugely … [but] it’s been taken a little too seriously.”

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 March 2024 23:40 (three weeks ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 00:01 (three weeks ago) link

Dear Sátántangó voters, how many times have you actually watched the whole thing? Honest answers only. My answer, as one of said voters: once.

two-one-one-two (Matt #2), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 00:09 (three weeks ago) link

Solid turnout. And White beats Red!

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 00:27 (three weeks ago) link

think i went for White

nxd, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 00:40 (three weeks ago) link

Oh, I wish I'd remembered to vote. I could have been a ballot for Ashes of Time.

A toast to all the Tarr and Kar-wai bros in the chat!

https://i.ibb.co/WtgjJRx/Ceih-GMGWAAA-Mv2.jpg

Vintage, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 00:47 (three weeks ago) link

I like that Crumb + Hoop Dreams wins. It came down to those two for me, maybe I wasn't the only one.

clemenza, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 00:47 (three weeks ago) link

If memory serves, White was the one I liked most of those three.

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 00:52 (three weeks ago) link

Great result - love you people.

I've seen Sátántangó start-to-finish three times, twice projected (35mm and DCP) and then again when I got the Blu-ray. (Beyond that, I've watched specific scenes on that Blu-ray release multiple times.) It was probably the perfect pandemic watch for ppl I know who were looking to fill the time.

I agree with Kael re: Gump. I mildly enjoyed Forrest Gump the first time I saw it, but I was also a kid whose idea of the '60s was a vague and distant concept shaped by very conservative surroundings. (Those from my immediate family back then were pretty much part of "the silent majority" Nixon was thinking about.) It wasn't until maybe 2009 or the 2010s that I tried watching it again but I couldn't finish it, I thought it was thoroughly repulsive.

Ashes of Time has such a nutty edit history - if you're a huge fan, seek out the French TF1 DVD which may have some rips floating out there. The late David Bordwell talks about it below (I'm pasting it in because the original post is no longer accessible):

Before Redux, there were at least two versions of Ashes of Time. One premiered at the Venice festival of 1994, the other became the international
standard version. The differences are striking.

The international version has several hyperactive swordfights quite early. In a prologue before the title credit, Ouyang Feng and Huang Yaoshi fight a
duel. After that, each is given a combat sequence in which he takes on hordes of assailants. These sequences are rapidly cut, with exaggerated angles,
accelerated or slowed motion, and pulsing freeze frames. At the end of the international version comes a brief, parallel epilogue showing the surviving
warriors (Ouyang, Huang, Hong Qi, and Murong) in the midst of combat. This epilogue includes a tableau of Yin, the female Murong, writhing ecstatically
on a bed of red blossoms.

It's widely believed among Hong Kong film people that this international version was initially created for the regional market and overseas Chinatowns.
Wong added swordplay sequences at the beginning and end in order to satisfy his Taiwanese producers, who wanted more action in this otherwise
talky and moody movie. How this version, running about ninety-five minutes without credits, became the standard one I don't know, but evidently Wong
did not control the international rights on the film. In any case, we have the evidence of Derek Elley's Variety review that these passages were not in the
Venice copy.

I've seen Ashes in 35mm in several countries, and it's always been the international version. That is the version available on Hong Kong laserdisc and
video, as well as on Japanese DVD (as near as I can tell from my imperfect disc). But the French DVD, released by TF1, is quite different. It runs 87:30
without credits (and assuming 24 fps). This version lacks several scenes, including the opening brawls, and ends with a close-up of the pale face of the
Woman looking out to sea. It may be that this French version, billed on the packaging as the "original" one, is close to the Venice print".

birdistheword, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 01:08 (three weeks ago) link

If it matters, when I say thoroughly repulsive, it's basically what Kael alludes to - everything it shows about the '60s is gutted of real meaning or context. I guess it's appropriate since it's seen through the eyes of a moron, but it's sickening how middle-of-the-road critics like Siskel and Ebert actually equate that with some kind of "healing" lullaby when it belittles or undermines what the counterculture was grappling with and trying to change while shying away from the monstrous shittiness of the people who didn't want anything to change. It really is the Reagan view of the counterculture and it's not really different from the nuttiness you see in Trump backers today.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 01:17 (three weeks ago) link

In re Ashes of Time I've only seen the Redux edit — which maybe should count as a 2008 movie as much as a 1994 one. I think that's the only one available anywhere these days.

how many times have you actually watched the whole thing?

At least three:

- TIFF 1994 - almost nobody left in the theatre at the end.
- TIFF 1995 - all of Tarr's films were shown and he was present at the festival. The very sloppy projectionist had the film running for several minutes with the bottom half of the frame at the top of the screen and the top half of the next frame at the bottom. Also, I failed to urinate at the second intermission resulting in a very trying final three hours.
- DVD at least once

and maybe I saw it on VHS at some point? Will possibly watch on streaming at least once more. I also read the novel.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 01:30 (three weeks ago) link

A very fitting tie, two diametric strains of world cinema that are both, in their own ways, still reverberating today

Rich E. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 02:12 (three weeks ago) link

Great stuff I went for Vive L'Amour

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 18:59 (three weeks ago) link

Seen the Tarr only once on DVD. Pretty awesome. Love to see it on the big screen.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 19:00 (three weeks ago) link


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