“I can hear those champagne bottle corks popping in Moscow — like it’s Christmas every fucking day": US Politics, February 2024

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poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 February 2024 17:36 (two weeks ago) link

I don't want this AMAZING AWESOME news to get buried at the end of the other thread

"ha

SALEM, Ore. (AP) — The Oregon Supreme Court said Thursday that 10 Republican state senators who staged a record-long walkout last year to stall bills on abortion, transgender health care and gun rights cannot run for reelection.

The decision upholds the secretary of state’s decision to disqualify the senators from the ballot under a voter-approved measure aimed at stopping such boycotts. Measure 113, passed by voters in 2022, amended the state constitution to bar lawmakers from reelection if they have more than 10 unexcused absences.

Last year’s boycott lasted six weeks — the longest in state history — and paralyzed the legislative session, stalling hundreds of bills.

Five lawmakers sued over the secretary of state’s decision — Sens. Tim Knopp, Daniel Bonham, Suzanne Weber, Dennis Linthicum and Lynn Findley. They were among the 10 GOP senators who racked up more than 10 absences.

Just goes to show, from the top down, if you really don't want people doing their job governing, then maybe you shouldn't be in government.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:12 AM (fifty-four minutes ago)"

dead precedents (sleeve), Thursday, 1 February 2024 18:08 (two weeks ago) link

Some real troglodytes in that crew of 10.

righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 1 February 2024 18:50 (two weeks ago) link

yep fuck 'em all

dead precedents (sleeve), Thursday, 1 February 2024 18:54 (two weeks ago) link

Where’s the settlement payouts?

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 1 February 2024 19:01 (two weeks ago) link

Not going well:

Former President Donald Trump said the Southern border needs to be closed because it is an existential crisis for unions, at the International Brotherhood of Teamsters headquarters on Wednesday.

Teamsters President Sean O’Brien said he disagrees.

“Most people need it closed down,” Trump said of the border. “People feel differently about different things, but the unions and the Teamsters, if they don’t have it closed down, they’re not going to exist. They’re not going to be able to exist.”

O’Brien, who met with Trump twice this month to discuss organized labor, disagreed. He said he doesn’t support a shutdown of the border, adding “we are all products of immigration.”

“The Teamsters union supports immigrant workers because we all come from people that came from different countries,” O’Brien said when he addressed reporters after Trump, flanked by a UPS worker, American Red Cross phlebotomist and Teamsters Local member.

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 1 February 2024 19:05 (two weeks ago) link

I can't imagine being Trump and thinking Teamsters, of all, would be gung-ho pro endorsing him

badpee pooper (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 February 2024 19:08 (two weeks ago) link

I've heard Trump say that the union leaders don't like him but the members do.

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 1 February 2024 19:10 (two weeks ago) link

That might well be

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 1 February 2024 19:11 (two weeks ago) link

Hi, Teamster member here. *I* sure don't.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 February 2024 19:12 (two weeks ago) link

Well, there's something like a million Teamsters all over the country, I'm sure there's some Trumpers here and there

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 1 February 2024 19:20 (two weeks ago) link

Rather. (Via the public service wing, thus my membership, that includes some police unions, which, well.)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 February 2024 19:25 (two weeks ago) link

My dad works in IATSE in the south and it's depressing how many anti-labor rednecks there are in his union.

Chyiv Kyiv (Fetchboy), Thursday, 1 February 2024 19:27 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, cop(and prison) unions quite suppprt Trump, don’t they

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 1 February 2024 19:28 (two weeks ago) link

I have a buddy that works at a union sheet metal shop here in the Bay Area, and he says that MOST of his coworkers are Trumpers

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 1 February 2024 19:33 (two weeks ago) link

That doesn't surprise me a bit. It's the same type of ignorance that gives rise to statements like "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!"

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 1 February 2024 19:43 (two weeks ago) link

Unions used to generate a strong tribal identity, based on powerful anti-management sentiment. Nowadays, anti-government sentiment generates a stronger and more binding tribal identity than union membership. It's yet another case of the ruling class studying, applying and co-opting progressive methods.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 1 February 2024 19:53 (two weeks ago) link

Not putting this in any of the Israel threads, but Biden levied heavy sanctions on settlers. Yair Rosenberg says "If you read it closely, this executive order from Biden is by far the most expansive anti-settler extremism act taken by an American president, and I don't think it's close."

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 1 February 2024 23:55 (two weeks ago) link

Wasn’t the implementation of this such that it only affected about four people?

I mean, the White House did something but this is nothing compared to the tasks they have to do

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 2 February 2024 01:44 (two weeks ago) link

I hadn’t realized that Joe Lieberman was part of NL until now, but of course he is

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 2 February 2024 10:30 (two weeks ago) link

Nowadays, anti-government sentiment generates a stronger and more binding tribal identity than union membership.

Speak for yourself!

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 2 February 2024 11:54 (two weeks ago) link

Of course he had a hidden room

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 2 February 2024 12:43 (two weeks ago) link

Happy Groundhog Day

Washington Post Malone (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 2 February 2024 13:11 (two weeks ago) link

is this at the same time as 2% inflation good?

.@LaurenKGurley provides a glimpse at the human consequences of the massive job boom https://t.co/qkFziRavAh pic.twitter.com/A5fnJmVqOE

— Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) February 2, 2024

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 2 February 2024 14:10 (two weeks ago) link

I'd love to hear from ilxors in other countries about this, because the news here (in America) is that the US post-pandemic/near recession/whatever you want to call it recovery has been better than any comparable economy's, but even assuming that's true I'm curious to know what that looks like on the ground. Grocery prices, gas, restaurants, general cost of living, whatever.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 February 2024 14:22 (two weeks ago) link

I'm in the UK and inflation of grocery prices has been brutal, see also restaurants, etc. It's also compounded by Brexit, so...

impostor syndrome to the (expletive) max (stevie), Friday, 2 February 2024 15:14 (two weeks ago) link

"labor shortages tied to the pandemic, ongoing supply chain disruptions, droughts, avian flu and other factors far beyond the administration’s control"

droughts and maybe avian flu (though I think the egg prices dropped already) I get, but how the fuck are these other things still an issue? labor shortages tied the pandemic? how does that cross with extremely low unemployment? I think the answer here is corporate greed or companies trying to make up losses from 3-4 years ago. but wtf do I know.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 2 February 2024 15:36 (two weeks ago) link

Seriously. I think a lot of corporations saw the pandemic as a prime opportunity to make whatever bullshit price hikes they felt like and then mumble some bullshit about supply chains and worker shortages that had enough of a grain of truth to not be total bullshit, and now that those stressors have eased up, the bullshit toothpaste ain't goin' back into the bullshit tube.

Great-Tasting Burger Perceptions (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 February 2024 16:05 (two weeks ago) link

The article does point out where the labor shortages are.

And, yes, Big Business will big business as much as it pleases.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 February 2024 16:10 (two weeks ago) link

xp - otm

And then, hey wowee presto, look at that look at that, record profits and bonuses for the C-level.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 2 February 2024 16:11 (two weeks ago) link

Even when inflation slows down, it doesn't usually reverse itself. So prices are not going back to where they were before the pandemic; best case scenario is that they stabilize.

jaymc, Friday, 2 February 2024 16:14 (two weeks ago) link

C-level deserves to meet Mr. Choppy.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 2 February 2024 16:28 (two weeks ago) link

labor shortages tied the pandemic?

Looking at indeed listings, this seems 90% like a product of continuing unrealistic expectations - "entry level" jobs doing the duties of three people with years of experience, multiple certifications, etc. for $15 an hour.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 2 February 2024 16:56 (two weeks ago) link

30 Things Joe Biden Did as President You Might Have Missed

A surprisingly positive story from Politico, though using the word "Did" in the headline instead of "Has Done" makes him seem like a one-termer.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Friday, 2 February 2024 17:01 (two weeks ago) link

jfc with the media shitting themselves all over a couple of cops getting roughed up by teens

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 2 February 2024 17:30 (two weeks ago) link

clockwork orange time!

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 2 February 2024 17:35 (two weeks ago) link

the unstated thing is often that agriprocessing, farming, physical labor jobs generally rely on a stream of inexpensive younger laborers that’s been filled by immigrants

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Friday, 2 February 2024 20:55 (two weeks ago) link

the Biden Administration has proposed minimum staffing levels at residential care facilities, and inexpensive younger labor can help with that as well

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 2 February 2024 21:00 (two weeks ago) link

New border legislation the White House says it "strongly supports" would grant the Homeland Security Secretary the power to summarily deport undocumented immigrants at his "sole and unreviewable discretion" during border emergencies pic.twitter.com/lyLg7KPsyh

— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) February 5, 2024

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 5 February 2024 07:41 (two weeks ago) link

sounds legit

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 5 February 2024 08:32 (two weeks ago) link

fuck this country

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 5 February 2024 12:19 (two weeks ago) link

lol.. fuck this asshole

In a contentious interview, the senator also suggested that Trump should ignore “illegitimate” US supreme court rulings.

The interview ended badly, with the network cutting to a commercial break after Stephanopoulos told Vance he had made it “very clear” he believed a president can defy the supreme court.

“No, no, George …” Vance said before the sound was cut.

Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 5 February 2024 19:09 (two weeks ago) link

He went to Yale Law School, he knows better. Fuck him, the freakish little opportunist.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 5 February 2024 19:25 (two weeks ago) link

Pfft, just because someone went to an elite law school, you expect them to know about, and adhere to, laws?

Virginia Wolfman (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 5 February 2024 19:28 (two weeks ago) link

Well, tbf, with Yale it is sometimes touch and go.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 5 February 2024 19:32 (two weeks ago) link

"Hi Dad, I'm at Yale!"

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 5 February 2024 19:33 (two weeks ago) link

lol

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 February 2024 19:38 (two weeks ago) link

That's a victory and therefore sweet. My hope is that voter anger toward the WI republican party's arrogance has been slowly growing over the past decade as the public keeps seeing their egregious behavior. That would be just as much of a positive as this latest development.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 04:41 (yesterday) link

this is nice, as I understand it this affects where I live

frogbs, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 04:44 (yesterday) link

Are you in or near Kenosha? Can't remember. Big primary there today, right?

Meanwhile:

I’m sure the parking lot these two losers had lined up somewhere upstate NY will be devastated because no way in hell they were playing anywhere in NYC pic.twitter.com/IKFjkmdpjA

— Wu Tang is for the Children (@WUTangKids) February 19, 2024

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:24 (yesterday) link

I’m going to NY to make real estate deals to counter this

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:33 (yesterday) link

I'm seeing references to posts from lots of losers "boycotting" New York. Like, I dunno, asshats like Scott Baio being all, "I refuse to appear in any huge Broadway musical until the verdict against Trump is voided," or hilarious shit like that.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:36 (yesterday) link

lol

How will NY state ever survive

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:41 (yesterday) link

The Tonys Love Chachi

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:52 (yesterday) link

I'd say we are already seeing side benefits from the verdict.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:52 (yesterday) link

Wall Street definitely about to move to Plano, any day now.

We don't need your Stock Exchange...we've got the Rock Exchange! (Fireworks explode, laser light show of penis going into a hot dog bun)

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 15:05 (yesterday) link

Are you in or near Kenosha? Can't remember. Big primary there today, right?

nah, Sheboygan...90 minutes away

frogbs, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 15:38 (yesterday) link

Wow, my wife's family is from Sheboygan. Nice town.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 15:40 (yesterday) link

Apparently the You Can’t Cancel America Tour meme is fake.

Requiem for a Dream: The Musical! (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 15:41 (yesterday) link

I think the tour is just called the Rock the Country Festival Tour, with just a few dates in smaller southern cities.

I love Sheboygan, as fun to say out loud as it is to visit.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 15:54 (yesterday) link

if fake, fine.

But have they considered Four Seasons Landscaping?

alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 15:54 (yesterday) link

I dunno, Sheboygan looks kinda scary

tobo73, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 18:17 (yesterday) link

The Alabama Supreme Court coming for IVF is going to make things worse in with consequences they can’t see, but that’s kinda expected by now.

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 18:20 (yesterday) link

Degrading society and harming otherwise innocent people without tangible benefit to anyone is always justified if it is in service to your 'moral principles and values'.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 18:24 (yesterday) link

I timidly hope kingfish is right... in that completely insane extremism may result in a backlash that reestablishes something a little closer to humane sanity.

That said, humane sanity is in short supply lately. I would very much like it to return.

Not, personally, a big fan of the Trotskyite position (roughly, "the worse things get the better they get"). But I don't know how to fix Alabama and it is very much not my job to do so.

My hope is that folks who are in difficulty get the help they need. It is clearly not going to come from Judge Holy.

alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 18:44 (yesterday) link

You remember a sane time? I don't. Was it between the Chatterley ban and the Beatles' first LP?

Times are always shitty. The best we can do is to do good or at least suffer no evil.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 19:07 (yesterday) link

I keep telling people that. For some reason, they keep telling me I'm an asshole.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 19:18 (yesterday) link

I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that things have gotten noticeably more insane since 2016, doesn't mean everything was great before, just that the shittiness has accelerated.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 19:24 (yesterday) link

Sure. But I've never known some level of insanity from the GOP.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 19:30 (yesterday) link

Racism and xenophobia run through US history like a mighty river of revolting sludge.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 19:34 (yesterday) link

So surprising for a country founded on slavery and genocide.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 19:34 (yesterday) link

Everything's gotten worse since the polarizing Obama Presidency

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 19:36 (yesterday) link

Why did he have to divide us?

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 19:36 (yesterday) link

Thanks, Obummer

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 19:37 (yesterday) link

"Mistaking sawdust for cocaine sounds more like a storyline from one of the 1980s Police Academy comedies than what should be expected in a high-profile prosecution by the U.S. Department of Justice."https://t.co/elMKzpA3Xs pic.twitter.com/HJo9GPw8Kx

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) February 20, 2024

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 19:47 (yesterday) link

Alfred, jimbeaux, Moodles, and Aimless are, of course, right: history is generally a nightmare. There was never a time where happiness was universal. But things seem pretty bleak right now. Both of those assertions can be true.

Apart from domestic political polarization, I might note that my grandfathers came of military age at a time when the United States was suddenly and dangerously at war. And then my father came of military age at a time when the United States was suddenly and dangerously at war. I came of military age at a time when the United States was suddenly and dangerously at war. My brother came of military age at a time when the United States was (SHOCKA) suddenly and dangerously at war.

And now I am sitting next to my son, who is 12 years old and eating too many Girl Scout cookies. What will his fate be? Let me guess. A polarized nation and, one presumes, war and/or natural and/or climate disasters.

sheesh, I'm just a frickin ray of sunshine today. Sorry

alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 21:28 (yesterday) link

Are you in or near Kenosha? Can't remember. Big primary there today, right?

fwiw I live in Kenosha and yes, the mayoral primary here is today. Big field vying to replace the mayor of 24 years.

things seem pretty bleak right now

I think part of what feels "worse" right now is that for a long chunk of the 20th century in the U.S., you could plausibly argue that as bad and grim as things were, they were "getting better" in measurable ways. The economic and living conditions of most Americans improved a lot through the second third of the century, and as terrible as the fights were around civil rights, there were real and demonstrable gains. But obviously the economic improvements plateaued and began to lose ground, and now thanks to SCOTUS etc the same is happening to civil rights. (The only part of the Bill of Rights that's been substantially expanded in recent years is the 2nd Amendment, yay).

So it's not just that things are bad and grim, it's that they're getting worse in many respects. Gets harder to keep talking about long arcs bending toward justice because that's not their current trajectory. It's possible to imagine many things continuing to get worse in many ways, augmented by looming climate catastrophes. I don't blame anyone for any amount of despair, it's not a super optimistic time.

But things have gotten better before, and they can again. That's all we can work toward.

one of my most Eeyore-y friends began freaking out 5 minutes after SCOTUS affirmed same-sex marriages, thinking this would provoke a humongous backlash years down the line. He was wrong to focus on that at the time, but it does feel like any time real progressive gains happen in this country, you have to look up and start running from the sudden avalanche not long after.

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 22:52 (yesterday) link

thinking this would provoke a humongous backlash

they aren't called reactionaries for nuthin'

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 23:32 (yesterday) link

Good post tipsy

alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 00:31 (eighteen hours ago) link

Every GOP primary ad I see is awful but there’s one where the narrator tries to say China like Trump that I hate more than anything on Earth.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 00:44 (seventeen hours ago) link

^^I learned there's something called 'Liberal Dark Money' and it has something to do with Beto, *who's not even running*

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 01:03 (seventeen hours ago) link

I’m sorry, that’s Liberal Dork Money

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 01:44 (sixteen hours ago) link

His Mom says he's cool...

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 02:33 (sixteen hours ago) link

The fact that CNN will occasionally use profanity on air when quoting Biden pleases me.

Lee: We’re told that the thrust of the President’s direction was to significantly ramp up the campaign's efforts to highlight the crazy shit that Trump says in public. pic.twitter.com/kwK6yntM3y

— Acyn (@Acyn) February 20, 2024

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 02:52 (fifteen hours ago) link

Moscow
this is the real motherfuckin deal yall
I’m feeling those champagne bottle corks

brimstead, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 03:03 (fifteen hours ago) link

Good lyrics.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 03:24 (fifteen hours ago) link

I keep hearing this thread title to the tune of Folsom Prison Blues.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 03:49 (fourteen hours ago) link

i keep hearing it to "born on the bayou"

polyamerie "it's more than this 1 thing" (m bison), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 03:57 (fourteen hours ago) link

Shower the people you hate with Trump

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 12:00 (six hours ago) link

Never thought about either, but yeah, now I've got "Folsom Prison Blues" stuck in my head.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 13:19 (five hours ago) link

lol, m bison, for me it's consistently the "I can hear the bullfrog callin' me" part of "Green River."

not the one who's tryin' to dub your anime (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 13:43 (four hours ago) link

…I’m so loathsome I could cry

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 14:34 (four hours ago) link


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