True Detective Season 4: Night Country (Ice Capades!)

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continuing discussions from the s1 thread TRUE DETECTIVE on hbo - matthew mcconaughey, woody harrelson, michelle monaghan, fukunaga, pizzolatto

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 00:32 (four weeks ago) link

haven't watched it yet, but I heard they flew native alaskans to Iceland for filming... that's kinda cool

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 00:59 (four weeks ago) link

Billie Eilish for the theme has caught me off guard both episodes. It’s not bad but it feels weird to hear it scoring something that’s not a TikTok/Instagram post.

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 01:27 (four weeks ago) link

Very interested to see what form the link from Season 1 to this one (Travis being Rust Cohle's father, and the same spiral symbol showing up) will eventually take.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 01:50 (four weeks ago) link

When Fiona Shaw was talking about Travis dying and coming to her as a ghost and leading her out into the night snow, there was Song To The Siren playing very quietly in the background - I inferred she had put a record on to skin up.

(Whose version was it? Didn't sound like anyone I recognised.)

Hello I'm shitty gatsworth (aldo), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 08:04 (four weeks ago) link

Tim Buckley?

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 08:32 (four weeks ago) link

I found a page that lists every track in the ep

EPISODE 2

‘Song for the Siren (Take 2)’ by Tim Buckley
‘Little Saint Nick’ by The Beach Boys
‘You’re the First, the Last’ by Blue Moment
‘Wannabe’ by The Spice Girls
‘I Love You Love’ by Johnny Cash
‘Pass Them By’ by Agnes Obel
‘Get Down Tonight’ by KC and the Sunshine Band

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 08:37 (four weeks ago) link

Didn't sound like Tim Buckley to me, guess I was wrong. Voice was deeper than that to my ears.

Hello I'm shitty gatsworth (aldo), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 10:11 (four weeks ago) link

Did anyone catch the cover for the record Fiona Shaw took off the turntable and re-shelved in that one scene? Looked like a minimal ECM cover to me.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 15:54 (four weeks ago) link

It’s not “(Take 2)”, it’s “(Take 7)”, taken from this 1999 unreleased-material compilation; the recording was made during the Happy/Sad era

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_in_Progress_(Tim_Buckley_album)

As far as I know, that version of the song remains un-pressed to vinyl… except for the hilariously rare OST to “Beautiful Boy” (2018). Idk if they sourced a copy of that vinyl into Fiona’s hands for this scene but it’s one of those collector’s items

The album Fiona then replaces on the shelf was Keith Jarrett Standards vol. 2 w Gary Peacock, Jack DeJohnette

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 17:52 (four weeks ago) link

The Watchers podcast had a good interview with Issa Lopez last week at the end of their ep1 recap episode, highly recommend

also i do find some of the needledrops a bit much (ie beatles) like ok Zaslav you have money to burn we get it calm down

but the tim buckley was nice & v fitting

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 19:07 (four weeks ago) link

Have just remembered that Christopher Ecclestone was also in Fortitude, which definitely shares something of a vibe with this: strange and violent murders in an Arctic serting

groovypanda, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 19:21 (four weeks ago) link

It wouldn’t surprise me if the addition of so much pop music is intended to expand the audience? That said, yeah, it’s distracting - it takes you out of the moment sometimes.

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 19:23 (four weeks ago) link

I don't know that I'd cosign on "so much pop music", it's not THAT overbearing. The Beach Boys was corny, but I actually that the Spice Girls song was effectively used to inject a little levity into Navarro's character and build on the hints of vulnerability she showed Qavvik since she spends the rest of the show in projecting hardass mode.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 19:30 (four weeks ago) link

yeah i did like that one

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 19:35 (four weeks ago) link

one thing Lopez said in her interview was that her initial version of Danvers was a woman on the verge of a breakdown but i guess very mild
Foster met w her & said she wanted Danvers to be more unlikeable. After some discussion eventually Lopez was like “so, an asshole?” and Foster was like “yes!”

true legend behavior imo

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 19:48 (four weeks ago) link

She's a huge asshole, which is a lot of fun all by itself, but then there are moments where she smiles and you can tell that she (Danvers) gets real joy out of fucking with people. It's a great performance.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 19:54 (four weeks ago) link

Ecclestone needs to put his ‘pumping old man’ rapidly fucking sweaty arse into retirement, or on the other hand it was pretty funny! I prefer the procedural/arctic community soap opera elements to this than all the gobbledygook squiggle nonsense.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 19:56 (four weeks ago) link

That might have been the worst sex scene I've ever watched.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 19:57 (four weeks ago) link

rmde

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 20:51 (four weeks ago) link

Tuttle

Pierre Delecto, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 21:05 (four weeks ago) link

I had to re-watch the scene with Tim Buckley playing since I was focusing 100% on the version of Song to the Siren playing and missed the dialogue entirely

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 22:09 (four weeks ago) link

(and the second the Spice Girls song came on I just tensed up, expecting a ghost and/or car crash to be immanent)

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 22:10 (four weeks ago) link

I prefer the procedural/arctic community soap opera elements to this than all the gobbledygook squiggle nonsense.

I mean, a dark, gritty Northern Exposure reboot isn't the worst idea.

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 22:34 (four weeks ago) link

Watching E2. Foster’s character is a marvelously hard person

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 00:29 (four weeks ago) link

I *do* adore “bury a friend”

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 22:02 (four weeks ago) link

I thought the first episode was terrific. Not so sure about second episode. Some weird tonal shifts from scene to scene and honestly a lot of the set-up for this season is daffy rather than eerie or mysterious. Like, for instance, a pile of frozen naked men, all in mid-scream, thawing out in a local hockey rink where people can apparently just come in and out without any kind of security?

It is hinting at supernatural elements which were absent in the previous iterations of this show. I think that will turn out to be a red herring and they will chalk up some of what we've seen so far to just being hallucinations related to their isolating circumstances. On the other hand, if they do choose to lean harder into the supernatural, then I'll wish they just gave this show a different name and let it be it's own thing.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 25 January 2024 01:36 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah, Fiona Shawms character getting guided by a ghost to where the bodies were is…very different from Colin Ferrell et all descending upon a grisly corps on the Pacific Coast Highway.

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Thursday, 25 January 2024 03:09 (three weeks ago) link

Caught up. Is this a sequel to Dan Simmons the Terror? Maybe a bit too much of that going on.

dan selzer, Thursday, 25 January 2024 03:53 (three weeks ago) link

did you all catch that Fiona’s ghost boyfriend Travis was Travis COHLE ie Rust’s dad (survivalist, alaska, died of leukemia)

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 25 January 2024 04:43 (three weeks ago) link

did you all catch that Fiona’s ghost boyfriend Travis was Travis COHLE ie Rust’s dad (survivalist, alaska, died of leukemia)


I don’t understand the timing. Didn’t s1 take place in the past (at least partially)? This show is in the present.

Honestly it’s been so long since I watched s1 I have no idea how these two seasons could be connected and I will surely miss every single reference.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 25 January 2024 05:19 (three weeks ago) link

Colin Farrell’s sad kid should appear as a ghost.

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Thursday, 25 January 2024 05:20 (three weeks ago) link

tbh i dont think it means much to the story, i just think lopez liked the idea of adding some easter eggs to tie it into the series

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 25 January 2024 05:46 (three weeks ago) link

The lady being led by Travis Cohle says something along the lines of “don’t confuse the supernatural for the psychological” re: navaro’s sisters visions of their dead mother, emphasising it’s probably all psychological. Seems to me that’s how all this will be explained as has been the case for all previous seasons. The mask will be pulled of the ghost in the final episode and the big corporation behind the white sheet will state “we did get away with it! But it woulda been easier without you meddling kids!”

H.P, Thursday, 25 January 2024 05:59 (three weeks ago) link

lol
otm

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 25 January 2024 06:18 (three weeks ago) link

What if the real cosmic horror was the world that surrounds us?

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 25 January 2024 06:30 (three weeks ago) link

The next episode better be a 50 minute long take of the dude who woke up with his hand breaking of giving us an explanation about all this nonsense. The final 5 eps can be Billie Eilish music videos I don’t mind

H.P, Thursday, 25 January 2024 06:36 (three weeks ago) link

don't know that I'll ever erase the image of the 9th Doctor banging Clarice Starling from my brain

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 28 January 2024 01:29 (three weeks ago) link

don't know that I'll ever erase the image of the 9th Doctor banging Clarice Starling from my brain

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 28 January 2024 01:29 (three weeks ago) link

Was not expecting a slow haunting Lykke Li cover

jaymc, Monday, 29 January 2024 03:49 (three weeks ago) link

So close to getting a ‘your mother sucks cocks in hell.’’

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 29 January 2024 03:49 (three weeks ago) link

choompa loompa

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 29 January 2024 05:09 (three weeks ago) link

goddamn they just keep turning up the dial on creepy-ass creepy shit

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 29 January 2024 06:00 (three weeks ago) link

Caught up on the show today. Disconcerting. (That is a compliment.) Yeah _Terror_ vibes a bit. Already sensing a too easy out/explanation with the supernatural stuff so I want it to absolutely lean in on the cosmic horror now.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 January 2024 06:53 (three weeks ago) link

HBO completely botched the Christmas Episode rollout for this series.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 29 January 2024 07:28 (three weeks ago) link

Man the writing in this episode took a serious dip….. the car ride prayer scene to the Qavik quid pro quo scene was maybe the roughest run of dialogue in this series so fair. Still love the setting and want to see how this all gets tied up in the last episode but lord, dunno about this particular ep

H.P, Monday, 29 January 2024 12:57 (three weeks ago) link

I do like this Pete kid tho

H.P, Monday, 29 January 2024 12:58 (three weeks ago) link

scientists discover virus/organism/whatever in the ice that drives people crazy with fear/hallucinate/bad-stuff, big mining has drilled down to it. Maybe the virus thing was a time bomb, mining company hit something, trying to get tsalal to ya know, fix their mistake. Hence miners have to be loners, can’t date outside. Clark breaks the rules, dates the girl, spills some beans, she gets the chop. Time bomb goes off, tsalal guys either run off to die as a result of it, or to try kill it off if it’s an infectious thing. Old mate Oliver up north wanted no part and ran away from it all. I dunno, I’m getting hung-up on the “she’s awake” thing, but it’s clear that something in the town, and most likely something environmental is causing people to hallucinate, stillborns to happen, and scientists to convulse. There’s dirty water being drunk. The hallucinations are easily passed of as “this is Ennis, these things happen” by hippie lady earlier. But whatever was merely hallucinations and stillborns in the past looks to be potentially something worse now.

H.P, Monday, 29 January 2024 13:43 (three weeks ago) link

Episode 3 probably should’ve been two episodes

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 29 January 2024 14:30 (three weeks ago) link

xp I wanted Navarro to end up with Qavvik!

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 19 February 2024 22:05 (two days ago) link

I'm babbling now but I don't quite get Navarro's isolation at the end. Disappearing without disappearing?

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 19 February 2024 22:05 (two days ago) link

maybe she did disappear! maybe it was her ghost w Danvers at the end

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 February 2024 22:07 (two days ago) link

I'm not sure about the supernatural elements. Perhaps simultaneously over-coded and under-written (something that could be levelled at S1)? Not sure.

that's practically the True Detective hallmark now. It felt like a mess in the first season (as though the show actively worked against these elements because someone at the network said to dial it back; I don't know if that's true but that was always the feeling I got). This time around it felt like an attempt to address those dangling issues and give them more space in the overriding narrative, but I have no idea if anything will ever be more fully developed or if even doing that is a good idea. 'time is a flat circle' felt really hamfisted this time.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 19 February 2024 22:08 (two days ago) link

In season 5 there will be a scene featuring a construction worker accidentally running over a grandfather clock with a steamroller and saying to his foreman, "hey boss, looks like time is a flat circle now, eh?".

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 19 February 2024 22:14 (two days ago) link

Lol

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 19 February 2024 22:16 (two days ago) link

I think it's just really hard to do ghost stories effectively now, since your audience has seen dozens and dozens of them and spookiness depends on subtlety but anything you try and do now is amplified to the level of cannon fire by awareness of ghost tropes and Internet discussion

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 19 February 2024 22:18 (two days ago) link

like how do you masterfully have something flit past behind a character and make the viewer think "did I just see that, or?" when they can just pause, rewind, and watch again until they are satisfied

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 19 February 2024 22:20 (two days ago) link

(I thought the final episode of the season redeemed it a lot)

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 19 February 2024 22:26 (two days ago) link

like how do you masterfully have something flit past behind a character and make the viewer think "did I just see that, or?" when they can just pause, rewind, and watch again until they are satisfied

I read an essay about writing recently in which the author argued that one should not write with one's worst possible reader in mind. And what you're describing falls into that trap. Don't write for people who live to go on Twitter and talk about "plot holes" and "gratuitous sex scenes" and other bullshit. Those people cannot be satisfied, because their only satisfaction comes from picking things apart until they're convinced no one else can enjoy it anymore either. Write for people who are willing to get on board the Fun Train and take the ride. Let the joyless nitpickers and doubters live their joyless, nitpicking lives out of your sight.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Monday, 19 February 2024 23:07 (two days ago) link

Not ghosts but seeing the Exorcist for the first time after growing up with the tropes made it difficult to understand its reputation.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 19 February 2024 23:42 (two days ago) link

idk dude, i still find it scary af

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 February 2024 23:47 (two days ago) link

Prince of Darkness is scarier than the Exorcist to me

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 00:25 (yesterday) link

!!

prince of darkness still owes me for the 101 minutes it robbed from my life

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 00:28 (yesterday) link

I think Exorcist III is scarier than the first one, and it's also the only one I ever saw in a theater cold without any expectations

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 00:28 (yesterday) link

what is happening

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 00:32 (yesterday) link

Finally watched the finale. I know everybody fixated on the reappearance of "Time is a flat circle," but to me the key to the whole series is Danvers' mantra, "You're asking the wrong questions."

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 02:56 (yesterday) link

TBH I got really tired of her saying that over and over. when people complain about the lazy writing this time around (which i've seen people do) I'm guessing they're talking about stuff like that.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 03:03 (yesterday) link

wtf i liked that

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 03:08 (yesterday) link

I think I like VG's angle about it being about grief, all the ghosts being projections of.

we usually locate the subconscious inside our bodies, but some cultures evert it and keep it in the world, we look haunted but this show took the other tack, to the grieving the world looks haunted, sadness is a place outside that you can go and it can kill you

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 04:16 (yesterday) link

“You’re posting the wrong opinions”

In general I wish the script was tightened, there had been a better editing model so the series didn’t feel so clunky, but it was totally fine and good

Interesting that Dr Who and Mining Lady were just absent in the finale but that’s ok I guess

a hyperlink to the past (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 04:17 (yesterday) link

My wife said that as a nonwhite woman (since we've been in Montana, multiple people have thought she's Native) the finale had a great deal of impact for her. She was thrilled by the fact that it turned out to be the Native women who'd done everything, and that no one had even thought that it could have been them because they were effectively invisible in the first five episodes, and indeed in the world of the show. "What? The cleaning ladies?" Yeah, motherfucker, the cleaning ladies, who watched you poison their water and kill their children! Of course they came for you!

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 04:53 (yesterday) link

otm

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 04:57 (yesterday) link

So did this turn out to be better than Fargo s5, or

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 05:39 (yesterday) link

I am not sure it worked as horror, as a mystery or as a policier but I didn’t hate it. Leaving aside the forced True Detective references, it would be interesting to know whether the original vision was so heavily focused on the two lead characters or had more balance with the community at large.

ShariVari, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 08:48 (yesterday) link

Unperson’s wife otm — the reversal of roles in that scene plus the fact that no one would have considered it was them made for a very satisfying conclusion to that storyline for me.

I’m still a little confused about who Holden is/was? I get the emotional impact of losing him but unless I’m just forgetting, idk more than “kid who died” about this character.

Also the scenes in the ice cave were SO stressful. I’m scared of caves I think.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:06 (yesterday) link

We're going to Iceland next month and this show really got me in the mood for parkas and crampons. We will NOT be exploring ice caves.

dinnerboat, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:14 (yesterday) link

I'm not easy with caves or confined spaces, even in movies. I'm haunted by that irl story about the caver who crawled into an extremely narrow dead end, got themselves firmly wedged in there and couldn't be rescued.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:18 (yesterday) link

I’m still a little confused about who Holden is/was?

Danvers' son, that seemed fairly explicit. I'm not sure who the father was or what happened to him.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:36 (yesterday) link

Yes -- I gathered that she was his caretaker/mother, but was he adopted? Who was the father? I guess it doesn't matter ultimately, maybe that is the point? IDK.

xp I actually really like small spaces and am not claustrophobic for the most part. Still, I remember very clearly one time my boo and I were hiking and there was a known cave entrance. We walked up to it, talked about checking it out, I was feeling brave and got about half of my body inside and was immediately seized by a wave of ABSOLUTELY NOT and scooted right tf out. The prevailing feeling was "not going out like that" and I was glad my body's danger sensors still worked. Do NOT crawl under the earth's surface.

When I was watching these scenes I kept worrying they wouldn't remember which way they turned and would be lost down there. When they finally found the entrance to the lab I was SO relieved. At least they can chill in this cursed lab.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:41 (yesterday) link

My read was that Danvers married Leah's dad, they had Holden, and Holden + dad were killed in a car accident, leaving Danvers and Leah as the family unit.

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:45 (yesterday) link

Ahhh, ok. I guess I missed that, or forgot. That makes sense.

One thing I thought was cute was whenever someone was chomping on a bag of chips (Cheetos, Funyuns) they always offered to share it with the person they were with -- Prior and Leah in the jail, Danvers and Navarro in the lab. That was a nice realistic touch.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:46 (yesterday) link

haha, I had to go back and watch previous episodes when Holden was mentioned because I forgot who he was! Like I was talking about earlier, the medium changes the way you watch these things.

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:57 (yesterday) link

I think I was also confused because I thought Danvers was relatively new to this environment, that she had been transferred there in spite by Dr Who, so it was confusing that she had a whole family storyline that, apparently, was also set in this same town.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 15:01 (yesterday) link

I think I was also confused because I thought Danvers was relatively new to this environment, that she had been transferred there in spite by Dr Who, so it was confusing that she had a whole family storyline that, apparently, was also set in this same town.


She was transferred in spite but it had been many years by now - e.g. the Wheeler case was also a while back.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 17:35 (yesterday) link

Some stray thoughts & questions:

—I can’t remember if this was mentioned upthrasd or elsewhere in the internet but major kudos to the cinematographer for making a show set almost entirely at night but always keeping the action visible. All other tv shows please take note, it can be done.

—re the mysterious tongue… one clue which I can’t put together is on that last night in Tsalal when Danvers and Navarro solve the mystery of the hatch - at one point Danvers looks under the table and sees a residue where the tongue had been. At this point weeks have gone by - what does that mean that there would still be some kind of substance still there?

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 17:46 (yesterday) link

At this point weeks have gone by - what does that mean that there would still be some kind of substance still there?

Ectoplasm, obviously.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 17:54 (yesterday) link

otm re cinematography — also the myriad ways they made all the different types of snow/ice look beautiful and/or creepy

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 18:11 (yesterday) link

my one complaint, or a complaint, and maybe it's a question of the shorter season, is at the end when beardo is like "we could've saved the world", I feel like the show could've spent more time setting that up, so you felt like these guys really felt like something was at stake. Not that that would justify killing Annie obviously, but it just seemed to come out of nowhere. Until then I read the tsalal guys as well-meaning scientists who maybe fudged numbers for their funder, maybe it would've felt more impactful if it built up the sense of what they thought was at stake instead of introducing it at the last minute?

Also, all of Clark's Carcosa-style sculpture work, his notebook, they did lay groundwork for him going insane. Just guilt about Annie with some fan-service for season 1 stans?

dan selzer, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 18:59 (yesterday) link

I assumed guilt, coupled with his obvious loneliness, guilt over his distance from his son, slowly going a little batty in the long, dark winter. It may have been fan service, but I'm glad they just obliquely hinted at that stuff rather than leaning into it (obviously aside from THAT line).

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 19:03 (yesterday) link

yeah, and I know everybody already said this, but that pure groan-worthy cringe.

The falling through the ice a few times on the other hand I found very effective.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 19:05 (yesterday) link

Honestly, after the Tuttle namedrop earlier and the Cohle revelation, I was bracing myself for some dumb "oh look, Bobby Ray Tuttle killed those scientists because they found their new ritual sacrifice room buried in the ice" twist so I was pretty pleased by the ultimate reveal. The more I let the finale sit, the more I like it.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 19:10 (yesterday) link

my one complaint, or a complaint, and maybe it's a question of the shorter season, is at the end when beardo is like "we could've saved the world", I feel like the show could've spent more time setting that up, so you felt like these guys really felt like something was at stake. Not that that would justify killing Annie obviously, but it just seemed to come out of nowhere. Until then I read the tsalal guys as well-meaning scientists who maybe fudged numbers for their funder, maybe it would've felt more impactful if it built up the sense of what they thought was at stake instead of introducing it at the last minute?

otm - this was the weak part of the story. Like... in what was is the ancient DNA locked in the permafrost supposed to save humanity exactly? That it's worth secretly poisoning a whole town? That is a fairly large MacGuffin to just gloss over.

On the other hand I thought the twist with the ladies from the town was terrific, even as their story was only peripherally told in the previous five episodes.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 19:18 (yesterday) link

I think they mentioned in passing that they’d discovered the secret to ending cellular decay.

ShariVari, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 19:40 (yesterday) link

yeah like generalized “cancer” cure was i thought thrown in amidst the technobabble

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 20:43 (yesterday) link

That just feels so fantastical... like the writers were just throwing darts at why it would be important for scientists to be doing the work they were doing. It feels totally half-baked.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 23:52 (yesterday) link

I’m telling you, they needed at least two more episodes to really make this a satisfying season.

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 00:31 (seventeen hours ago) link

yeah i agree with that for sure

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 02:29 (fifteen hours ago) link

Yeah I've worked in a lab processing fresh blood & tissue samples for DNA and RNA, and no part of the science here makes sense. It's not important though, I just treated it like pure fantasy magic and pretended to hear something other than the words they were literally saying.

The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 14:42 (three hours ago) link

^yeah the “explanation” was just a bunch of science words put together. I treated it the same way.

that's not my post, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 16:55 (one hour ago) link


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