The Bear on FX: aka HEARD! aka YES CHEF! aka Ketamine Gene Wilder cooks for u

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Season 2 starts next week lets gooooo

Jeremy Allen White? Oh, you mean “Ketamine Gene Wilder”?

— Alan Vann (@Alan_Vann_) July 7, 2022

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 June 2023 03:07 (one year ago) link

i loved this show so much i binged it twice tbh looking forward to S2

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 June 2023 03:09 (one year ago) link

pumped for CHAOS MENU

Clay, Friday, 16 June 2023 03:28 (one year ago) link

I came so close to starting this thread a few months ago withe the title "Chicago Beef w/a Side of Wilco"

holy shit I just read "Ketamine Gene Wilder" and was like hmmm I think I know who that is and sure enough it was him

frogbs, Friday, 16 June 2023 03:45 (one year ago) link

ketamine gene wilder is so hot and i would like him to cook for me

Roz, Friday, 16 June 2023 03:50 (one year ago) link

i dont think ive ever been as stressed by watching something as i was with that fucking printer

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Friday, 16 June 2023 09:23 (one year ago) link

Good interview with Ebon Moss-Bachrach here:

Also how the fuck did I miss his partner of many years is photographer Yelena Yemchuk aka Billy Corgan's partner plus artist of choice for the Smashing Pumpkins in the late 90s?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 17:52 (one year ago) link

Also given the thread title I do appreciate this:

He had an agent before he graduated and has been working steadily ever since, bouncing between theater, film and TV, studying performers like Gene Wilder, a castmate in Moss-Bachrach’s first onscreen appearance.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 17:55 (one year ago) link

I watched one episode of this and immediately wondered if they ever stopped yelling at each other

Marvel Puzzle Quest is my favorite gasm (DJP), Thursday, 22 June 2023 01:28 (one year ago) link

spoiler: they don’t

i still occasionally do an online pickup order from a local restaurant that i used to frequent during COVID - whenever i do it now i still think of the order printer in The Bear & feel a lot of sympathy pangs for what restaurants must go through w that shit

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 June 2023 01:57 (one year ago) link

I watched one episode of this and immediately wondered if they ever stopped yelling at each other

When it does slow down there’s some really touching scenes amidst the chaos

Spottie, Thursday, 22 June 2023 04:19 (one year ago) link

if you can’t stand the heat yelling get out of the kitchen tv show

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 June 2023 04:33 (one year ago) link


werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 June 2023 04:34 (one year ago) link

I watched one episode of this and immediately wondered if they ever stopped yelling at each other

I normally don't like programmes where all they do is shout (I've never managed to get through a whole episode of The Goldbergs, for example), and I don't like it when programmes add in obvious extra tension-building sounds, like smoke alarms or ringing phones or children crying, but after a couple of episodes I was as hooked on this programme as everyone else.

trishyb, Thursday, 22 June 2023 16:48 (one year ago) link

It's a weird show, some good and memorable scenes, but the non-kitchen chaos scenes are often a drag. And there are so many little things that didn't quite make sense to me -- how did the Xanax get into the Ecto Cooler? They played as unintentional but that seemed, uh, logistically improbable. Were they not doing take-out at all before, or just no online ordering? The time of day (and whether this place is doing lunch or dinner or both) is often confusing too.

Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Thursday, 22 June 2023 16:58 (one year ago) link

its about as realistic as a dream sequence in a daytime soap, tbc, its just gritty fun with great performances and moments and direction

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Thursday, 22 June 2023 17:05 (one year ago) link

i think the micro-specifics of the show are what sold it for me, selling vintage levis for cash (stored in his oven bc he never cooks at home lol) the kitchen stuff like drinking out of the pint containers, the food he eats after a shift (doritos, coke)

like even when parts of story don’t always flesh out perfectly, it all feels so well-observed in terms of details & behaviour

to me, anyway

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 June 2023 17:24 (one year ago) link

Ketamine Gene Wilder frequents the pizza place my nephew works and i just missed seeing him there by like 5 mins one time.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 22 June 2023 17:38 (one year ago) link

Just watched the first episode of season 2, so glad to have this show back. We had just finished season 1 of Succession, and it's wild to veer from a show where i don't give a shit about what happens to anyone and I want them all to fail to a show where I care about everyone and want them all to succeed.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 June 2023 02:01 (one year ago) link

Hell yah. Great music choices too. The Hornsby opener, transcendental blues by Steve Earle into New Noise to close it out.

Spottie, Friday, 23 June 2023 03:53 (one year ago) link

if no one has seen Matty Matheson’s cooking videos I’d recommend because those are wild fun.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 23 June 2023 05:01 (one year ago) link

pure chaotic energy, highly recommend

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 June 2023 05:14 (one year ago) link

in other news:

password is “speedboatmojito” all one word

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 June 2023 05:23 (one year ago) link

just watched the first couple of episodes, going to savor the rest over the weekend. the never-ending chaos was anxiety-inducing in the first season, but the show's rhythms are kinda comforting now heh

Roz, Friday, 23 June 2023 06:00 (one year ago) link

the Marcus episode is a really lovely little break of pace

Spottie, Friday, 23 June 2023 06:02 (one year ago) link

xpost "gofastboatsmojito" !!!!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 June 2023 11:53 (one year ago) link

oh fuck i knew i screwed it up lol thankyou

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 June 2023 15:15 (one year ago) link

That made me laugh really hard. Of course that guy would have been a huge fan of the Miami Vice movie...

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 23 June 2023 15:31 (one year ago) link

He and every other sensible person.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 June 2023 15:31 (one year ago) link

i'm a fiend for italian beef

mh, Friday, 23 June 2023 16:25 (one year ago) link

In the Ever/Alinea-restaurant episode, I love how a) it's Ritchie who gets sent into that 3-Michelin star world and how he dials up the Chicago accent when presenting the deep-dish canapés. Also, having Olivia Coleman as the chef keeps it credibly as someone very privileged without having it be a dude at the top. And her warmth and unintimidating manner seemed very credible as the kind of person who is nearly impossible to reach one-on-one and with tough underlings, but face-to-face can be incredibly friendly.

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Friday, 23 June 2023 18:06 (one year ago) link

What a series. Again.
PS I adored the little omelette scene. Just process and reaction; making something with love and seeing it received with love.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 23 June 2023 21:22 (one year ago) link

oh damn, I put this off after Star Trek last night because I thought it was week to week and wanted to save up episodes

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 23 June 2023 21:47 (one year ago) link

i watched through ep 5 last night, hoping to finish today but ep 6 is weirdly over an hour long?

Spottie, Friday, 23 June 2023 21:48 (one year ago) link

god help me i could look at ketamine gene wilder all day

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 June 2023 08:08 (one year ago) link

I have managed to convince the husband to watch this, which means I will be going in on season one again before season two. A treat for me!

trishyb, Saturday, 24 June 2023 09:18 (one year ago) link

big fan of shortish episodes too

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Saturday, 24 June 2023 09:45 (one year ago) link

i have read elsewhere that S2 not quite as safdi-esque insane?

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 24 June 2023 10:20 (one year ago) link

We've seen five of the new season so far, and while there is still plenty of hectic screaming, it's in service of something productive. The characters, acting, music cues, use of the city, all top notch.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 June 2023 11:53 (one year ago) link

made it up to half-way through the guest-star packed christmas episode last night.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 24 June 2023 16:59 (one year ago) link

i got up early & watched 2 eps while eating breakfast

brb going to copenhagen

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 June 2023 17:06 (one year ago) link

the scenes w carmy & claire are so good, the way they talk about random shit & stare morse code to each other is v good

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 June 2023 17:07 (one year ago) link

omg that “can’t hardly wait” needledrop

literally a …

(are you ready)


youre welcome


werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 June 2023 17:17 (one year ago) link

#gofastboatsmojitos obviously unassailable but the stuff with Carmy and the alarm is also A+++.

Cashews Everything Around Me (Leee), Saturday, 24 June 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link

i have read elsewhere that S2 not quite as safdi-esque insane?

Only a few in, but it’s in a very different zone so far. Breezy and sweet, kind of elevated CBS drama territory. Not sure if I mean that pejoratively or not just yet.

circa1916, Saturday, 24 June 2023 18:24 (one year ago) link

NCIS: Lake Michigan

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 24 June 2023 18:46 (one year ago) link

well buckle up for the christmas episode fuckos

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 June 2023 18:47 (one year ago) link

Haha was gonna say….

Spottie, Saturday, 24 June 2023 19:23 (one year ago) link

real talk

the family stuff at the heart of this is so real.

like, i don’t even have a 10th of that level of craziness in my own family, i don’t know chicago from shit, etc etc

but the way when you have a family w ~history~ to a level that you are a telepathic air traffic controller waving each other away from the hazards

the way when you visit after being away that at it’s worst the house itself is like a vice that is constantly squeezing you down to your smallest denominator… the way you are always, ALWAYS the person you were when you were 10, the way you start feeling like you’re 10 just being around it too long
… the way you expand & become alive when you go away and you contract & sort of die a little when you return…
the way the love is so crystallized & so real but so small you can hold it; the way it lifts you up so quickly but the way all that bad is just always there, hanging, unsaid, in the air like a poison gas that only becomes toxic if you acknowledge it

sorry tl:dr

this christmas episode really got me feeling some type of way

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 June 2023 19:35 (one year ago) link

The show seems to exemplify a saying that a friend of mine use to quote to explain why he dropped out of the super-competitive high level junior chess world at 14 years old: “In the search for perfection lies the root of neurosis” …

(However, when I search online for the saying there’s has no record of it….)

Bob Six, Tuesday, 2 July 2024 10:15 (two weeks ago) link

I heard on the Ringer Watch podcast that i guess The Bear was originally only going to be 3 seasons and at some point after s3 was written that FX or whoever discussed extending to a 4th season for like 18 total episodes

thus now stretching s3 to bridge into whatever happens storywise in s4

which explains why it felt very uh bridgey lol

i kinda said as much upthread but that gives a bit more real-world explanation

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 July 2024 17:21 (two weeks ago) link

four episodes in and yeah this show is really good and dynamic. every actor is bringing it—i’m especially loving how lionel boyce has come into his own as marcus. “doors” is exactly what i want from this show, and the cousin-centric episode 4 made me well up a couple times

if its main flaw is over-ambition, is that really so bad?

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 2 July 2024 22:05 (two weeks ago) link

i think the disappointment lies in how dynamic the first 2 seasons were in moving characters forward & story arcs etc and this season isn’t doing as much of that and it is def a vibe shift

but yeah i agree!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 July 2024 22:12 (two weeks ago) link

oh and btw i dont think i shouted this out but

Ep6 “Napkins” is perfect and great and wrenching and TINA!!! is the fucking best. Liza Colon-Zayas kills it. just beautiful acting.

goddamn i loved it so much

directed by Ayo too!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 July 2024 22:21 (two weeks ago) link

Just watched that one. God this show is so fucking sentimental. I did appreciate the two Genevieve Artady drops though. :)

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 July 2024 15:50 (two weeks ago) link

almost done with the season. I do feel some disappointment at the vibe shift vg describes but there's still things to enjoy, chiefly the acting. I also haven't found what little comedy there is very funny this season - John Cena's cameo was... bad. feels like they're trying too hard to keep comedic elements in there

Vinnie, Wednesday, 3 July 2024 16:45 (two weeks ago) link

damn there is no restaurant scene that stressed me out as much as ep8 Donna at the hospital with Natalie. the constant talking, the volatility, the hee hee hee -- jfc, could not take it.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 3 July 2024 19:29 (two weeks ago) link

Didn't realize until reading reviews after finishing the season that Josh Hartnett plays Richie's ex's fiancee.

the possibility of relaxing (Eazy), Wednesday, 3 July 2024 19:42 (two weeks ago) link

reminded me of when my sister had her first baby, she was 19 and her mother in law was there with her and this woman is very DeeDee energy, SO intense & so keyed up and she had my sister stripped naked (no idea why, just YOU NEED TO DO THIS energy) and all this crazy shit and my poor sister was just beside herself & stressed out of her mind

luckily my Mum finally showed up & kicked the MIL out and got my sister covered up and calmed down


i did weirdly love how DeeDee was able to be of use and BE a mom to Sugar in some of those later moments, like she def has firehose energy but when you’re thirsty you can sort of chaotically get what you need if you point her in the right direction lol

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 3 July 2024 19:48 (two weeks ago) link

Speaking of Ep6, I saw a story about it and how fans felt it revealed a plothole from S1 re:Tina initially being mean to Sydney by overstating her relationship to the restaurant and I think these people are saying that because they've never encountered someone being territorial before.

wow i totally did not recognize hartnett

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 3 July 2024 21:00 (two weeks ago) link

wow S3E1 was incredible, I am totally on board for whatever they do next

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 5 July 2024 05:13 (two weeks ago) link

Just watched episode 2, I can almost see the critic above’s point about the music. That Vedder needle drop felt like it lasted fuckin forever, but it’s pretty easy for me to ignore in the grander scheme.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 5 July 2024 05:16 (two weeks ago) link

Every time I stack my leftovers in the freezer and put their little tape labels on them, I think how angry Carmy would get with my tearing over cutting.

trishyb, Friday, 5 July 2024 13:16 (two weeks ago) link

I still can never get the hang of how time moves in the restaurant. Maybe that's deliberate. Do the front-of-house guys really show up eight hours before service all suited and booted just to take in deliveries and shout at each other?

trishyb, Friday, 5 July 2024 13:17 (two weeks ago) link

finished S3 -- if i hadn't been sick as a dog i would have gotten more irritated about the nonsense of Big White Cloud playing for no reason while Syd and Shapiro talk about her potential new job in a wine closet. Thought the confrontation between Carm and his abuser was actually quite effective and good. Like VG (or someone else?) upthread, I never need to hear "Laid" ever again in my life but I thought it was sort of cute that everyone was enjoying it at the party.

Also I thought the convo between British chef (can't remember his name, the pea-picker) and Syd about their siblings/only child status was interesting, if somewhat unrealistic.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 5 July 2024 15:15 (two weeks ago) link

i didn't believe for a minute that any of those people would be into Laid (this song was an extremely minor alternative rock radio hit in the US, I think it's a much bigger thing in the UK) but I am a big fan of the song so it didn't bother me.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 5 July 2024 17:32 (two weeks ago) link

"Laid" has had a decent afterlife over here appearing in movie trailers and it still gets decent airplay on the SiriusXM '90s/Alternative nostalgia channels.

Related to the British chef, I saw The Revenant last week for the first time and saw that he played Tom Hardy's sidekick.

Also agree with LL that the Carmy's confrontation was especially well done. Also, Thomas Keller did great in his cameo, as far as not being able to tell if he had a script or was just improvising.

Something I'm still thinking about: S1 felt like it was based in a world where "fine dining" was a toxic, rotten system; but by S3, especially with all the chef cameos, it feels like it shows Joel McHale as being the one bad apple in a system based on kindness and discipline. This trajectory works well if it's the Al-Anon-type narrative of families feeling toxic until someone does the work to get over that; but we don't really see Carmy figure out if he can be a fine-dining chef without being an abuser.

the possibility of relaxing (Eazy), Friday, 5 July 2024 17:38 (two weeks ago) link

Not yet…

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 5 July 2024 17:42 (two weeks ago) link

i feel like that’s coming

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 5 July 2024 17:47 (two weeks ago) link

that confrontation with McHale was so good, like even just that Carmy hadnt thought much past “Fuck you” felt very real

and then McHale justifying the abuse and taking the credit for making Carmy who he is… real as fuck and so devastating to hear/receive

but also how seeing much space Carmy’s given in his brain to this guy, how enormous they become in your mind, to where Carmy’s at that amazing dinner with all those stories & he’s literally not present, not even in his own body because of this guy

so so good

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 5 July 2024 17:56 (two weeks ago) link

I would say "SPOILERS!" but it's been obvious that was on the horizon. (I'm through S3E4)

Ippei's on a bummer now (WmC), Friday, 5 July 2024 18:10 (two weeks ago) link

Maresn3st, Friday, 5 July 2024 18:46 (two weeks ago) link

"Laid" got a big push from the American Pie movies and trailers - I think a lot of my friends who aren't into music would at least recognize it. Almost 200m plays on Spotify

Vinnie, Friday, 5 July 2024 19:03 (two weeks ago) link

ha, I completely missed the american pie phenomenon (I think I saw the first one).

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 5 July 2024 19:26 (two weeks ago) link

i would have gotten more irritated about the nonsense of Big White Cloud playing for no reason while Syd and Shapiro talk about her potential new job in a wine closet.

Seems like this was part of them doing a diegetic "elegiac mood" playlist designed for that night's dinner.

Maybe? Gideon’s Bible would have been a better choice from that album tho imo.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 5 July 2024 21:10 (two weeks ago) link

The show The Bear is good but if a cheap sandwich shop in the city where I could get a big pop, fries, and a hot dog shut down bc a white man moved back home wanted to turn into a high end restaurant I would pray for that restaurant’s downfall everyday.

— لارا (@NormalArabGirl) June 30, 2024

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 6 July 2024 22:20 (one week ago) link

The food certainly doesn't look appealing...when Tina had that big bowl of roasted cauliflower and brussel sprouts and Sydney was like "here, let me help you with that" and put four of them on a tiny plate of sauce, I died a little inside.

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Saturday, 6 July 2024 22:28 (one week ago) link

When Tina is making dinner at home she's got a big plate of maduros in front of her. You just know she has some killer P(uerto) R(ican) arroz con habichuelas going on in one of those pots. Would watch a show with her making that stuff.

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 6 July 2024 23:06 (one week ago) link

Arroz con gandules!

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Sunday, 7 July 2024 01:01 (one week ago) link

yeah I want a big bowl of whatever’s in Tina’s crockpot

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 July 2024 01:21 (one week ago) link

the number of times I'd idly wish they'd just make an italian beef grew with every episode

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 8 July 2024 20:57 (one week ago) link

but they do make italian beefs -- isn't that the store by day via the window and then it's fancy at night? unless i completely misunderstood that.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 8 July 2024 20:58 (one week ago) link

I just really wish they hadn’t rushed this season into production without real scripts due to its 3 most important actors’ various film commitments. It’s sloppy and embarrassing

beamish13, Monday, 8 July 2024 21:13 (one week ago) link

Yes, they're still making and selling the beefs, and rehired some of the guys who used to work them, whom I couldn't remember if we saw them in the first season or if they just retconned them into the flashbacks in the first episode of the new season.

I was bummed in the last season, when they went and got the famous deep dish pizza, I think when Richie was working the fancy spot...they had to go ahead an immediately deconstruct it. Just serve the damn pizza, that's what they wanted.

dan selzer, Monday, 8 July 2024 21:56 (one week ago) link

Those sandwich guys were in the Tina origin ep, and were presumably let go during COVID/The Carmy takeover prior to the pilot.

Yeah I got that, just don’t remember if they appeared in the earlier season as opposed to being introduced in new flashbacks.

dan selzer, Monday, 8 July 2024 23:58 (one week ago) link

i loved they brought those guys back and once you see them in action & it brings you back to the vibe from Tina’s episode too

like *touches nose, points* CMON THE BEEF

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 8 July 2024 23:58 (one week ago) link

I just really wish they hadn’t rushed this season into production without real scripts due to its 3 most important actors’ various film commitments.

where did you hear this?

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 9 July 2024 00:32 (one week ago) link

yeah i don’t think that happened

ebon moss bacharach said on the Talk Easy podcast that they had a season 3 script but when they started production or started shooting idk the initial episodes were too long so they broke it apart into a s4 i guess

he talked abt shooting scenes of s3 on the same day as scenes from s4 and them all trying hard to keep everything straight

whatever happened they for sure had a script

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 July 2024 01:52 (one week ago) link

That Talk Easy interview with Ebon M-B that Veg mentioned above is really good.

the possibility of relaxing (Eazy), Friday, 12 July 2024 05:27 (one week ago) link

i love how he’s so down in the actual dirt of acting, in such an unpretentious way.
he feels like good twist or inversion on oldschool 70’s actors, where the kind of life you live is as important as your career, not subservient to it

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 July 2024 05:33 (one week ago) link

I am with the Slate writer on his criticism of the mostly all white indie rock soundtrack choices for season 3

curmudgeon, Friday, 12 July 2024 17:01 (one week ago) link

Episode 3 was a drag and felt like a repetition of episode 2.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 12 July 2024 17:13 (one week ago) link

yeah big fan of ebon m-b on this show-- his performance is the most accurate and authentic portrayal of a particular kind of chicago guy i've ever seen

paul mccartney and wigs (diamonddave85), Friday, 12 July 2024 17:21 (one week ago) link

Oliver Platt gets that right as well, in so many details and scenes.

the possibility of relaxing (Eazy), Friday, 12 July 2024 19:27 (one week ago) link

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