ILX Film Club, The (1924-2019)

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Here is an idea I hope catches on.
I've made a spreadsheet compiling

* The top 100 from the ILX Morbsies
* Any additional films which had a 1st place vote in said Morbsies
* The top 100 from the Sight & Sound critics' poll
* The top 100 from the Sight & Sound directors' poll

Here is the spreadsheet - please tell me if there is anything wrong and I'll do my best to fix it.

And I'm going to watch all 205 of them, one per week, in chronological order, until I finish at the start of 2027. And you can join me! If you like.

The first on the list is Sherlock Jr., from 1924 - I'll watch it this weekend, then it will be open for discussion from Monday 13th. It will be easy to share links at the start, as we go on will need more help probably. If people want to rate the films as we go, please feel free, don't think I will.

Think this will be useful for me as I have only seen 78 of these before, despite having spent three years at film school, hope it's useful to you too.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Friday, 10 February 2023 13:30 (one year ago) link

I've been privately working on catching up on the missing films from these polls; this could be fun, though, after looking at the spreadsheet, I'd be skipping the movies I haven't seen that only made the list due to someone here listing it at #1 on their ballot.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 10 February 2023 20:27 (one year ago) link

think there are only something like 15 of those in any case, we'll see how you feel when we get to Holiday On The Buses, but this project is very much a hop on, hop off deal.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Friday, 10 February 2023 20:30 (one year ago) link

Hugh Leonard, reviewing Holiday on the Buses gave the film zero stars out of four. Leonard added "This one should be buried in unhallowed ground".

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 10 February 2023 20:41 (one year ago) link

I'll for sure chime in even if I haven't given the movie a fresh watch. (But I'll try my best to give each film a fresh watch.)

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Friday, 10 February 2023 20:53 (one year ago) link

^ditto (except for this part)

The Windows of the URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 10 February 2023 21:10 (one year ago) link

I've been slowly watching the ones I haven't seen from the S&S top 100. It's only about 10 (though I might not see Peele's "Get Out" as I don't fancy it and it's obviously going to drop off next time).

Might extend it to the 250.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 February 2023 21:36 (one year ago) link

Another 40 on the rest. Would watch most of it bar Blue by Jarman. Fuck that shit.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 February 2023 21:43 (one year ago) link

Or Annie Hall.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 February 2023 21:44 (one year ago) link

Why Blue? I've always meant to "watch" that as I love a few of his other films.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Friday, 10 February 2023 21:45 (one year ago) link

xp Yeah this same project 20 years ago would have at least four or five Woody Allen films on the list, instead of zero.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Friday, 10 February 2023 21:47 (one year ago) link

I find Jarman's films to be pretty exasperating, and I feel I will hate it even when the subject matter is sad.

xp

xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 February 2023 21:50 (one year ago) link

i will try to participate, when i can! i find it really difficult to take part in film discussions, for various reasons, but i do enjoy watching them. i'm no kind of old-school buff but, due to the ilx influence (and using morbs' letterboxd list) i've seen a lot of the earlier films here, and within the last several months, to boot. it'll be nice to give them a rewatch so soon after my first encounter with them.

Karl Malone, Friday, 10 February 2023 21:52 (one year ago) link

Sherlock Jr. is perfectly 45 minutes long

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Friday, 10 February 2023 22:15 (one year ago) link

Or Annie Hall.
― xyzzzz

I'm probably one of the few (only?) people on here who was heartened to see Annie Hall show up. Not defending Woody Allen, just glad there are some people left who can make that distinction between the person and the film (easier with Rosemary's Baby/Chinatown, I think, just because they're so much better as films; also, Polanski's largely invisible, though he does have the cameo in Chinatown).

For some other thread, I know.

clemenza, Friday, 10 February 2023 22:33 (one year ago) link

I think that this film club needs to do the On The Buses film trilogy to truly capture how it was in Ted Heath's Pre & Post EEC Britain.

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Friday, 10 February 2023 22:40 (one year ago) link

I think we can all agree that the ending to Annie Hall is, in effect, a happy one

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Friday, 10 February 2023 23:00 (one year ago) link

"just glad there are some people left who can make that distinction between the person and the film (easier with Rosemary's Baby/Chinatown, I think, just because they're so much better as films; also, Polanski's largely invisible"

I wouldn't watch a Polanski film nowadays either, Clemenza. I have no interest in supporting their work while these people are alive.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 February 2023 23:34 (one year ago) link

I think that this film club needs to do the On The Buses film trilogy to truly capture how it was in Ted Heath's Pre & Post EEC Britain.

― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Friday, 10 February 2023 bookmarkflaglink

We just have to step outside for that, these days..

xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 February 2023 23:40 (one year ago) link

I’m in

hrep (H.P), Friday, 10 February 2023 23:45 (one year ago) link

I think we can all agree that the ending to _Annie Hall_ is, in effect, a happy one

We need the Easter Eggs, on our DVDs and Blu-Rays.

The Windows of the URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 10 February 2023 23:51 (one year ago) link

Ugh, for some reason, I ventured outside this safe haven and ended up interacting with Jeffrey Wells. Not pleasant.

The Windows of the URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 February 2023 00:07 (one year ago) link

Yeah I'm in, tho can't promise to keep up every week - one objective I have this year is to watch more films from the rest of the world than US films overall and while these lists are varied and wonderful I fear they'd still land me on the wrong side of that in the end.

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 11 February 2023 11:10 (one year ago) link

Why does ILX hate L'Atalante so much?

Alba, Saturday, 11 February 2023 11:13 (one year ago) link

Is this true?

The Windows of the URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 February 2023 11:32 (one year ago) link

Yes, fuck all canal barges.

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 11 February 2023 11:46 (one year ago) link

Alba can you tell which ilxors are hating I'll bully them for you.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 11 February 2023 12:43 (one year ago) link

Ha ha I was just making a glib comment after seeing the spreadsheet and noticing tha it placed relatively well in the S&S top 100s but nowhere with ILX.

Alba, Saturday, 11 February 2023 12:50 (one year ago) link

I think that applies even more to Beau Travail but I was looking at the early films.

Alba, Saturday, 11 February 2023 12:51 (one year ago) link

Gonna watch Beau Travail in a proper theater next week -- my first non-DVD/streaming experience w/it!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 February 2023 13:47 (one year ago) link

While everyone's gearing up, a reasonably engaging quiz:

Try this quiz - https://t.co/yyLpPtjiKP pic.twitter.com/fdHFKTXEpL

— DVDBeaver (@DVDBeaver) February 11, 2023

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Saturday, 11 February 2023 17:34 (one year ago) link

66/100. I raced through it, probably wouldn't have done much better if I'd taken my time (I either knew it or guessed--though I would have gone back and changed a few guesses based on subsequent answers).

clemenza, Saturday, 11 February 2023 18:11 (one year ago) link

more mainstream:
https://www.cinenerdle2.app/

POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 11 February 2023 18:23 (one year ago) link

68/100. Projectionist but no professor. But what's wrong with being a projectionist?

The Windows of the URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 February 2023 18:51 (one year ago) link

Wtf, I'm boycotting this quiz

Alba, Saturday, 11 February 2023 18:52 (one year ago) link

Reasoning?

The Windows of the URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 February 2023 18:53 (one year ago) link

Putting professors above projectionists!

Alba, Saturday, 11 February 2023 18:55 (one year ago) link

Ah!

The Windows of the URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 February 2023 18:56 (one year ago) link

96/100 and only because I accidentally put Jacques Rivette when I meant François Truffaut

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Saturday, 11 February 2023 18:58 (one year ago) link

Check out the big brain on Brad!

clemenza, Saturday, 11 February 2023 19:05 (one year ago) link

77/100 -- a couple of dumb mistakes on movies I've seen, a couple of lucky guesses on movies I haven't seen

The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Saturday, 11 February 2023 19:19 (one year ago) link

71, though at least half were guesses.

jaymc, Saturday, 11 February 2023 20:07 (one year ago) link

(Some of them informed guesses, though.)

jaymc, Saturday, 11 February 2023 20:07 (one year ago) link

76. About five films I did see and couldn't place grr

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 11 February 2023 20:18 (one year ago) link

88. Nailed every one I knew, every guess I guessed wrong

or something, Saturday, 11 February 2023 20:23 (one year ago) link

Oh and messed up Spike Lee . Just couldn't place that image in that film somehow

or something, Saturday, 11 February 2023 20:28 (one year ago) link

84/100!

I guessed on most of the contemporary Asian stuff, which rarely payed off. And I got the Black female directors all switched around. The only film I've seen that I miscredited was Death of Mr. Lazarescu.

I just exchanged texts with my friend who actually is a projectionist but did not mention this quiz.

The Windows of the URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 February 2023 22:38 (one year ago) link

I got 89. several of them were guesses based on what I know about the filmmakers’ visual aesthetics or the time periods from the images. I got several directors mixed up - Mizoguchi and Kobayashi, Kazan and Wyler, Etrice and Saura and others. I guessed Larisa Shepitko’s The Ascent correctly only because I have recently seen stills from it on twitter, but I haven’t watched it. Also still have yet to watch Djibril Diop Mambéty’s films, a few of which are on Kanopy, or Cheryl Dunye’s The Watermelon Woman

Dan S, Sunday, 12 February 2023 01:31 (one year ago) link

My projectionist friend told me about this yesterday:
https://framed.wtf

The Windows of the URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 February 2023 14:33 (one year ago) link

Watched this yesterday and as always it's a complete joy. Remember when I was a kid my dad saying Donald O'Connor was the best, and being more familiar with silent comedy now I feel like I can really appreciate this. The energy Gene Kelly puts into the Broadway Melody section is also kind of astounding though. As a depiction of the birth of sound film there's a load this gets wrong, but as it was still fairly recent memory I suppose they probably knew but didn't care. It's probably been said a thousand times before but having these in chronological order really underlines how much this most famous example of a big studio musical also marks the end of big studio musicals - those Busby Berkeley dance spectaculars were already history, and this was Kelly's last major hit. I guess this is also the start of Hollywood looking back with nostalgia at its golden age, which it has been doing intermittently ever since. The timescale is bizarre though, the equivalent today would be a film set in the year 2000.

I don't mind Kelly's constant mugging to the camera, but I can understand anyone who finds it off-putting. I'm afraid I find Jean Hagen may be the weak link personally - her comedy performance is of course wonderful, but I just don't buy her as a silent movie star, she doesn't have that theatricality to her face. Kelly isn't 100% convincing either, but he seems to at least be trying.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 28 March 2024 08:49 (one month ago) link

If you want to see a spot-on parody of the problems with early sound film I can heartily recommend this short from 1930

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH7XlG9j0xs

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 28 March 2024 08:51 (one month ago) link

Kelly's mugging helps his character, an insecu.re mediocrity

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 March 2024 11:55 (one month ago) link

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Ikiru_poster.jpg

Ikiru, Akira Kurosawa, 1952

Morbsies #230
Sight & Sound Critics #157
Sight & Sound Directors 72

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 30 March 2024 14:05 (one month ago) link

I'm at a loss: the one Kurosawa masterpiece I can't like. I can watch any number of Ozu films from this period about aging/dying men, though.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 March 2024 14:23 (one month ago) link

Great film

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Saturday, 30 March 2024 14:27 (one month ago) link

I’m with Alfred aside from the “only Kurosawa I don’t like” part. It’s no secret he’s not at the top of my list of Japanese masters (tho I do quite like his later ones), and in IKIRU’s case I just don’t think I ever get on the same wavelength of its tone. I had higher hopes for this one going in though, so the falloff might have been partially expectation-based

Rich E. (Eric H.), Saturday, 30 March 2024 15:26 (one month ago) link

He's still the top of mine so that evens it out!

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Saturday, 30 March 2024 15:28 (one month ago) link

Love Ikiru, it's all about that long final scene with the dudes at the funeral getting drunk and angry and wondering how to Fix Things.

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 30 March 2024 21:45 (one month ago) link

Yup, it is an amazing thing when the funeral comes on.

Kurosawa is a curious one. I liked to loved pretty the three or four I've seen but I never went onto obsessively track the other half a dozen or so down.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 31 March 2024 00:00 (one month ago) link

Kurosawa has like 30 films still available. and of those i think only one is out of print and hard to find (The Idiot)

koogs, Sunday, 31 March 2024 06:46 (one month ago) link

First saw Ikiru as part of a Sociology Of Death college class in the late 80s. Not my favorite Kurosawa, but easily one of my fave watching experiences.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 05:25 (one month ago) link

Finished this yesterday, in agreement with most of the above in one way or another, it's kind of tonally all over the place until the last section at the wake, when it finally all clicks this this is less a film about death, and more a film about bureaucracy. Also enjoyed the brief scene in the night club earlier on, I have some Japanese jazz from the era and it's really like nothing else.
His son is a prick.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 12 April 2024 21:40 (one month ago) link

Holiday is now available in full on YouTube

nxd, Saturday, 13 April 2024 11:24 (one month ago) link

So is Ugetsu Monogatari

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 13 April 2024 13:21 (one month ago) link

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Ugetsu_monogatari_poster.jpg

Ugetsu Monogatari, Kenji Mizoguchi, 1953

Morbsies #462
Sight & Sound Critics #90

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 13 April 2024 13:28 (one month ago) link

Now that most of his great films have become available in the last 20 years, I have less time for Ugetsu, but it's a landmark of creepiness and erotic sorrow.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 April 2024 13:43 (one month ago) link

Not my favourite Mizoguchi but still devastating, timeless

Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 13 April 2024 13:49 (one month ago) link

Brilliant

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:18 (one month ago) link

The phrase I see a lot is “first among equals.” I submit that there should be a similar and near-equally laudable “second among equals,” which UGETSU probably is, alongside Mizoguchi’s late run

Rich E. (Eric H.), Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:23 (one month ago) link

I don't want to do "better than" arguments, so I'll try very hard not to do that, but what a movie, what magic he crafted throughout his career but the 50s especially, fuiud

Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:30 (one month ago) link

I've dug thru the source material cos it fascinates me and I'd confidently argue that - like Hitchcock for example - he made his sources his own and made them better. Ugetsu taps a bunch of veins at once, political personal, but the big point is it sticks with you, it transcends what it might be "about"

Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:36 (one month ago) link

It's strange that the most memorable scene from this for me is where the "samurai" brags about his non-existent virtues to his young cronies. The ghost story stuff is a little vague by comparison, though it obviously made a big impression on Tarkovsky.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 13 April 2024 17:32 (one month ago) link

So this was wild. Don't think I've ever seen anything like it.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 07:09 (one month ago) link

Watched with my wife who knows a decent amount about Japanese ghost culture, my idea was that the story followed a dreamlike narrative, but she pointed out that it was a standard, fairly simple morality play if you are familiar with Japanese ghost stories. It was the atmosphere, especially the sound, that made it work for me.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 10:15 (one month ago) link

yeah, there are quite a few like it. i think i prefer Kuroneko. i need to rewatch Ghost of Yotsuya (it's on youtube). Kwaidan has similar bits too. Onibaba...

useful list here, including more modern j-horror
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnica240Wq4

koogs, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 11:47 (one month ago) link

the kiln aspect was interesting as well - there was a bbc4 japanese traditional arts programme on just before i saw Ugetsu for the first time and the same kilns are still in use (although not universally)

koogs, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 11:51 (one month ago) link

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/Madamedeposter.jpg

Madame de..., Max Ophuls, 1953
Morbsies #499
Sight & Sound Critics #90

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 20 April 2024 19:55 (one month ago) link

Sometimes the greatest film ever made.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 19:57 (one month ago) link

Another cracking film.

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Saturday, 20 April 2024 19:57 (one month ago) link

I love Earrings... because it's a film whose editing and camera movements convey a passage of time as subtle as any novel. When I read Balzac and Trollope, the marriage between Boyer and Darrieux is how I imagine the day-to-day functionalities of a patrician 19th century marriage. The beauty of Boyer's performance is how he's perfectly willing to go along with it but with the quiet half-grins that Ophuls catches it's clear he also loves Louise enough to have given a more erotic marriage a shot if she wasn't so bent on escaping within her confines. Few films convey how possessions delineate the confines of one's own entrapment.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 20:14 (one month ago) link

Modern Times also on YouTube now too
Really enjoyed that, especially the automatic food layer bit

nxd, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 20:33 (two weeks ago) link

Only started watching films by Ophuls six months ago. Forgive me, God

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 21:14 (two weeks ago) link

Om watching Earrings.... as I type and my god

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 21:25 (two weeks ago) link

I finally got around to Earrings a few years ago and boy does it deliver. 19th century novels are a good reference point, it has that richness of detail and emotional specificity.

Boyer is the key: aware of everything, ready to play along, but ignore him and he'll put a bullet in your throat.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 21:41 (two weeks ago) link

19th century novels are a good reference point, it has that richness of detail and emotional specificity.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, April 30, 2024 5:28 PM (one hour ago)

otm Alfred and tipsy. I already had that association, and when I started reading Anna Karenina the other day I immediately thought of Earrings

rob, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 23:01 (two weeks ago) link

there's a Chaplin season on sky arts in the UK and Modern Times (78 in the S&S list) and City Lights (36) will be two of those (i think MT is next Saturday and Sunday). so far there's been The Kid, Gold Rush, The Circus. Criterion logo in all the credits.

koogs, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 23:24 (two weeks ago) link

Finished watching Madame De..., you are all dead-on with the novel comparisons, reminded me of Zola's "La Curée", though without the politics, such a dance the three do with each-other, and the fact that they spent so much time actually dancing did not seem like a blunt metaphor. I did find it a little difficult to connect with on an emotional level, as I always do with the Belle Époque upper class, not sure why this is.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Tokyo-story-20201121.jpg

Tokyo Story, Yasujirō Ozu, 1953

Morbsies #141
Sight & Sound Critics #4
Sight & Sound Directors #4

Heartbreaking.

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:27 (two weeks ago) link

yeah, didn't even make the top 100

I finished Tokyo Story a little while ago and have been slowly digesting it - while I liked it quite a lot I still haven't worked out why it's a masterpiece, maybe this is just something not worth worrying about, but it just reminds me of a lot of other low-key studies of family life - that's something I generally love anyway, maybe it's that I've seen so many of its successors that it just doesn't seem novel? I am also a little confused by Chishū Ryū's acting, it is so low-key that I find myself questioning whether he's actually doing anything. (Also cannot believe that he's 49 years old in this and lived until 1993! And Kyōko Kagawa is still alive!)

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 16 May 2024 19:51 (four days ago) link

is so low-key that I find myself questioning whether he's actually doing anything.

best kind of acting imo

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 May 2024 20:27 (four days ago) link

I am undecided between "best" and "not best" - certainly he would be at home in a Roy Andersson film, so that sounds like I should come down on the side of "best"

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 17 May 2024 06:39 (three days ago) link

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/La_Strada.jpg

La Strada, Federico Fellini, 1954

Morbsies #648
Sight & Sound Directors #38

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 18 May 2024 14:24 (two days ago) link

This one is on youtube in its entirety with English subtitles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPefZ8cZCl0

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 18 May 2024 14:25 (two days ago) link

brilliant film

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Saturday, 18 May 2024 15:52 (two days ago) link

I liked it but I suspect Fellini thought it was about how sex is evil and makes you subhuman

adam t. (abanana), Saturday, 18 May 2024 16:00 (two days ago) link


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