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C J (C J), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 08:21 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i believe the subwoofer should be destroyed and banned forevermore

Queen G (Queeng), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 08:33 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Bright Eyes is one of my favorite bands.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 08:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

If we were in 30's Berlin we'd all be Nazi's.

Sylvestre, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 13:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

oil spills are good for the environment -- they're jsut something to keep it on it's toes (and it's had it way too easy of late if you ask me)

Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 13:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

By the time I finish this sentance, three children will have died of starvation. Food worldwide is too expensive. Solution - eat the dead children.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

some nights the moon is actually so close you cd reach out and touch it

but don't, as its surface temperature is zero kelvin and yr fingers wd shatter into an icy dust

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Bobby Brown is the king of R&B.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Keanu Reeves is perfectly cast in both Much Ado About Nothing and Dracula.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:33 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

You should have 3 C's or above at A-level in order to get into ANY university course. No exceptions.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I fucking rule!

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

That story in the New York Times about some universities (University of Georgia?) giving out scholarships to rich kids who already have big, fat college funds & parents who earn over 200 000$US/yr & have achieved a dazzling B average....perfectly justified.

*cough*

Miss Laura, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Kittens are so All-American

Liz :x (Liz :x), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

2002 is the best year for music EVER thanks to the Von Downbeats, the Music, the Noise, the Light, the Tapes, the Buses and the Damnable Atrophies!

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Avril Lavigne is the greatest star in music today.

Graham (graham), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Avril lavigne is carrying on with sonic youth's good work in mixing rock and avant garde influences.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"It's very naughty of me, but I would like to set an examination paper at Dover, and turn back every tourist who couldn't pass it."

"What would you ask us?"

Miss Lavis laid her hand pleasantly on Lucy's arm, as if to suggest that she, at all events, would get full marks."

Madchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Vanessa Carlton is the new Prince!

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I don't think Robert DiNiro's bits in Godfather II are necessary or an improvement on the movie.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The 2002 World Cup suffered from bribery of officials.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oh shit, with these two posts I forgot that I had to BELIEVE them!

OK, then, something I DO believe; Derek Bailey will have a number one single before this decade's out.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Non-United States nationals who bitch about how their country is so much better than the U.S. should take a few minutes and consider why so many of their compatriots want to live and work here.

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Sopranos really is the most overrated pile of dreary cack.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

michael keaton was mesmerizing in "multiplicity" *

*does this controversial opinion necessarily have to be mine?

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 15:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

''OK, then, something I DO believe; Derek Bailey will have a number one single before this decade's out.''

that's something I WANT to believe.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 15:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

hiv might not cause aids
in jokes are not jokes

boxcubed (boxcubed), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 15:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

None of these opinions are controversial (including this one).

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 16:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

it is difficult to discern which stoops to more decrepid methods of pimping it's own putresent ass - lord of the rings or missy elliot.

Queen G (Queeng), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 16:31 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Tom Ewing's pro-pop anti-indie stance is a phase.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 16:32 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I envy almost everyone on ILE who I claim to dislike.

AND WHAT ANDREW SAID!!

Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 16:33 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(dunno if I already posted this, but I thought I'd better rephrase)

The people who sometimes annoy me on ILE are on the whole the ones whose talents I most envy.

AND WHAT ANDREW SAID!!

Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 16:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The 'pro-pop' stance seems like more of an excuse for intellectual dishonesty every day.

maura (maura), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 17:17 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Ouch. There's a lot of pop I'm utterly unthrilled by, but that seems harsh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 17:22 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The American government faked the 1969 Moon landing

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 17:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Disabled people are paying for their sins in a past life"

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 17:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

the last part of subject line questions aren't worth reading

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 19:05 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Vanilla Coke just tastes like cream soda.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 19:23 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

* Vanilla Coke tastes just like cream soda.
* Coal Gray is better than black.
* Mail should be delivered on Sundays.
* Private schools should be made illegal to bring money back in to the public school system.
* Down with the Death Penalty!
* Freaks and Geeks was one of the top 5 TV shows ever.
* Billy Corgan looked better with hair.
* Turkey should no longer be the focus of Thanksgiving dinner. The 'side' dishes are far better than the main dish (sweet potato casserole mmm...).
* A Dog, though cute, will never make as good of a pet as a cat.
* Having children in hopes of continuing your own legacy is selfish.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 19:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

What? Can't handle my opinions, huh?? Everyone in shock?

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 19:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I approve of Michael Jackson dangling his child out of a window. More parents should follow his example.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 19:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I approve of Michael Jackson eating his young in front of a live audience. More parents should follow his example.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Compulsory medical testing and research should be carried out on prison inmates. I like the thought that a serial rapist or murderer could be used as a guinea-pig in helping to find the cure for cancer.

C J (C J), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

it is difficult to discern which stoops to more decrepid methods of pimping it's own putresent ass - lord of the rings or missy elliot.

I believe the Harry Potter industry is even more guilty of this.

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:17 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"* Billy Corgan looked better with hair."

But he DID!

Curtis Stephens, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:20 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I know I'm going to get a lot of flack on this, especially at this time of year, but...I don't think that sweet potatoes/yams are fit for human consumption. Even topped with marshmallows.

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

It all seems funny, kinda like a dream, things ain't always what they seem.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I don't think that sweet potatoes/yams are fit for human consumption
That's ok.
I am a food connoisseur. It's so hard for me to relate with the common folk!

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I have moments when I think the death penalty might not be a terrible idea. It sometimes seems really expensive and, well, fundamentally perverse to incarcerate someone for life or even for a decade or two.

I don't have a firm opinion on whether abortion should be legal. I've yet to see a totally convincing pro-choice argument (not that I've been reading in depth). My main reason for being sort of pro-choice is that it's a controversial topic and since I don't have a firm decided opinion I want to leave it up to personal choice.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 22:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Muppet Show was more annoying than anything else.

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 22:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

George W. Bush is a big poopy-head.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 22:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Great art is never made by committee.

you really can't name one piece of art made by two or more people that is great?

Solitary acts (writing, painting, solo musical performance) are best; the more people you invite in, the more watered-down your statement becomes.

a group of people can't make a statement?

flappy bird, Monday, 9 April 2018 03:45 (one week ago) Permalink

flappy going for the home run, bless

Droni Mitchell (Ross), Monday, 9 April 2018 04:02 (one week ago) Permalink

unperson, do you think Richard Serra does all of his metalwork solo?

alvin noto (mh), Monday, 9 April 2018 04:52 (one week ago) Permalink

theater and film are both examples of art that can scarcely, if ever, be made by a "solitary act". Even the barest bones 'one-person shows' must have, at a minimum, someone doing the lighting.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 9 April 2018 04:57 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah but have you seen Limmy's Vines

Number None, Monday, 9 April 2018 05:16 (one week ago) Permalink

There's tons of shitty art in the world, of course. But no movie I've ever seen compares to standing in the same room as a Richard Serra sculpture.

― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, April 8, 2018 3:00 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

With this you've achieved peak "Well, I don't even own a TV".

Evan, Monday, 9 April 2018 05:51 (one week ago) Permalink

Richard Serra works with mathematicians to get his ish done right

I don't like movies either but

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 9 April 2018 09:19 (one week ago) Permalink

that GIF always bothers me because the sound it would make ≠ the traditional rimshot+cymbal noise

― Karl Malone, 9. april 2018 01:37 (ten hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

But that is the best part! #ContrOp

A lot of avant-garde cinema has that solitary feeling, from Brakhage to experimental documentary. But I also think collaborative art is good in other contexts, like the Illiad, or Shakespeares works made in collaboration with his actors. #Scenius>Genius

Frederik B, Monday, 9 April 2018 10:28 (one week ago) Permalink

When Lorenz Hart and Richard Rodgers collaborate, it isn't just two individual pieces of art, words and music. The real product is the songs, with the sum greater than the parts.

When Billy Wilder put Kirk Douglas on top of the mountain in Ace in the Hole, was he in total control of his medium? Of course not, though did it really diminish the statement made?

Likewise when Jackson Pollack dropped paint onto a canvas, was he ever fully in control of his medium?

Wilder and Pollack both knew the materials and methods they were using and introduced a degree of controlled randomness and I feel great art was the result.

I'm Finn thanks, don't mention it (fionnland), Monday, 9 April 2018 10:45 (one week ago) Permalink

no man is an island but on the other hand this is the controps thread guys, being controversial is kinda the point

vermicious kid (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 April 2018 10:49 (one week ago) Permalink

Yah I get it but controps threads are best with the (probably fruitless) arguments that follow.

Also is compromise so bad in itself? Isn't there a kind of beauty when someone gets the best from the materials available?

Michael Curtiz was a studio man, and the materials he used might have been forced upon him with the direction limited, but he still had the control in bringing them together and framing them in the best possible way. I wouldn't hesitate to call his best movies "great art".

I'm Finn thanks, don't mention it (fionnland), Monday, 9 April 2018 10:55 (one week ago) Permalink

nobody who creates any kind of cultural commodity has ever existed as a sealed unit expressing the purity of their purely independent ideas thru a neutral technology that does no more than allow the expression of their pure artistic freedom would be my general point

vermicious kid (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 April 2018 10:57 (one week ago) Permalink

Oh agreed for sure.

I'm Finn thanks, don't mention it (fionnland), Monday, 9 April 2018 11:01 (one week ago) Permalink

this is the controps thread guys, being controversial is kinda the point

the introduction of a controversial opinion producing subsequent controversy seems like a natural life cycle

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 9 April 2018 15:32 (one week ago) Permalink

no it doesn't

bone thugs & prosody (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 9 April 2018 15:42 (one week ago) Permalink

does so

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 9 April 2018 17:03 (one week ago) Permalink

Aimless otm

Droni Mitchell (Ross), Monday, 9 April 2018 17:31 (one week ago) Permalink

Great art is never made by committee.

I mean

This is a potentially dangerous line of thought. Refueling the "artist toiling in solitude" romance is one thing, but negating any other model is not only fetishistic toward the "solitary artist", but also dismissive of more social and community-oriented methods of art-creation

I do profess to have a taste for "single origin work" because it IS romantic, no one is immune (except people who wilfully or reactionarily have immunized themselves); I have heard the "Tinashe produced her first mixtape herself" narrative told to me in wondrous tones more times than I can count. But lots of great art is made by committee, made by proxy, made by industrialization of one's vision, made by curation, made by teams of people. If we're going to dig deep and cull the single-origin stuff from the rest then there's a lot of essential great art that's gonna lose its "great" status, the least of which is your Richard Serra

nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 9 April 2018 18:43 (one week ago) Permalink

I mean, it would be poetic if Richard Serra spent many tedious hours welding those enormous metals into art that is as equally tedious

But still: the gallery, the lighting, the method in which you discovered his work, the donors that paid for it...

I do get waves of pleasure in inhabiting the isolated psychological spaces that Galina Ustvolskaya wrote her works in, contemplating birch trees and Jesus Christ and her own mortality, but it's still played by some people, on instruments made by other people, in a building made by other people, and recorded by others, uploaded by others, linked to me by others, and the entire history and work of that composer is coloured by anecdotes about her and Shostakovich, anecdotes about Americans hearing her work and feeling frightened, and the documentary I watched about her, and so on

Last night I was speaking with a gallery curator who was telling me about how every Monday they have to clean out the Yayoi Kusama rooms, and the installation staff were considering creating new work from the enormous amount of hair that was collected. I don't know if "Large Ball Of Human Hair Collected Every Monday By A Custodial Team For Six Months From The Kusama Infinity Mirror Chambers Exhibition" (2019) would qualify as "great art" but I'd definitely pay to see it

nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 9 April 2018 18:50 (one week ago) Permalink

i think unperson has a point about art by committee, not in terms of the dismissing of film entirely, but in terms of its effect on film more than other art forms. it's not as healthy today as it once was, the films released by major studios are fewer and more narrowly focused and yet take up a higher percentage of screens than ever before. while i believe it's easier to make films today w/the wide range of technologies available it's also harder to get them seen widely or make any money doing it. i also find it a bummer how many promising actors and directors pop up and are immediately funneled into the tentpole movie pipeline, and the ones that aren't sometimes just disappear.

omar little, Monday, 9 April 2018 18:58 (one week ago) Permalink

99% of the posts in the 'Posts you had second thought about and decided not to post - put them here' thread should have been posted to their intended threads.

pomenitul, Monday, 9 April 2018 19:45 (one week ago) Permalink

99%? Are you positive about that? Because that seems high.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 9 April 2018 19:47 (one week ago) Permalink

"Posts you had a second thought about..." should be retitled "Some passive aggressive posts sometimes without context."

Yerac, Monday, 9 April 2018 19:48 (one week ago) Permalink

That's the whole point of the thread. In normal circumstances you just wouldn't post it anywhere at all.

Evan, Monday, 9 April 2018 20:03 (one week ago) Permalink

Dmac explained the purpose of that thread well

Droni Mitchell (Ross), Monday, 9 April 2018 20:16 (one week ago) Permalink

it's a thread for posting not for reading

god

brimstead, Monday, 9 April 2018 22:40 (one week ago) Permalink

Listening to Beethoven 7 right now and here's my controv op on that: the second movement, ie the famous one that has been beaten to death in recent years, is unquestionably the worst movement. Total bummer in comparison to the joy and invention of Mvmnts 1, 3 and 4.

glumdalclitch, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 01:42 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah movement #2 is literally shit

Evan, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 11:54 (one week ago) Permalink

booming controps

vermicious kid (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 12:04 (one week ago) Permalink

Nah, you're just wrong. All of it is amazing but the bummer remains the best part of the 7th.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 12:31 (one week ago) Permalink

Tu quote Samuel Beckett, 'the sound surface of Beethoven’s Seventh Symphony is devoured by huge black pauses, so that for pages on end we cannot perceive it as other than a dizzying path of sounds connecting unfathomable chasms of silence'. I assume he was referring to the second movement in particular.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 12:34 (one week ago) Permalink

Tu quote Samuel Beckett, 'the sound surface of Beethoven’s Seventh Symphony is devoured by huge black pauses, so that for pages on end we cannot perceive it as other than a dizzying path of sounds connecting unfathomable chasms of silence'. I assume he was referring to the second movement in particular.

I don't see why. That description sounds like movements 3 and 4 particularly, because they seem to literally portray dizziness and drunken swaying - contemporaries thought Beethoven composed it while drunk(1) (while I think it's just portraying that state). Movement 2 is more a wearying procession of sounds than a dizzying path - it's a funeral march after all

(1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._7_(Beethoven)

Friedrich Wieck, who was present during rehearsals, said that the consensus, among musicians and laymen alike, was that Beethoven must have composed the symphony in a drunken state

glumdalclitch, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 14:34 (one week ago) Permalink

(Then again it's Happy Days Sam, so you're probably right. The most tragic movement was prob his fave)

glumdalclitch, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 14:47 (one week ago) Permalink

Oh fuck off mvt. 2 is so nice

The major-to-minor moment at the end of that one phrase is one of the most beautiful things ever written

The rest of the symphony is underrated tho, it's def my favourite of Beethoven's symphonies..

..aside from a residual early-childhood connection to #1 as a result of an adoration for this British cartoon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ThMmLVWZo8

nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 17:46 (one week ago) Permalink

Fair enough! That's why I put it in this here thread, it's obviously a masterful movement in and of itself, but I'm burnt out on it personally. And the other 3 movements are up there with my fave LVB tings

glumdalclitch, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 18:28 (one week ago) Permalink

Oh, and one last point: the only reason it is any good is because of the harmonic counterpoint, which does elevate it, of course - in terms of form, it's a fairly dull set variations. The formal innovations of the other 3 movements is not present here to me.

glumdalclitch, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 18:32 (one week ago) Permalink

i prefer early autechre

koogs, Friday, 20 April 2018 13:49 (yesterday) Permalink

My favourite is Gantz Graf, is that more or less controversial? I dunno.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 20 April 2018 13:52 (yesterday) Permalink

Beau Bridges is a really terrible actor.

Yerac, Friday, 20 April 2018 13:52 (yesterday) Permalink

I thought "early Autechre was best" was always kind of the majority opinion though admittedly anyone who's stuck with them to this point probably actually enjoys the sensation of a floor buffer rattling their brain

frogbs, Friday, 20 April 2018 13:54 (yesterday) Permalink

Gantz Graf is also my favorite. I feel like I used to be an outlier with this opinion, but I think these days among autechre fans the Confield/Draft/Untilted era is considered the best by many if not by most.

I guess there's probably lots of people who like 90s autechre who don't really consider themselves big autechre fans, though. I can't imagine this is the case much for 00s/10s autechre.

silverfish, Friday, 20 April 2018 17:10 (yesterday) Permalink

"Beau Bridges is a really terrible actor."

he got better as he got older.

scott seward, Friday, 20 April 2018 17:22 (yesterday) Permalink

I'm kind of amused at the idea of someone wanting to get into Autechre for the first time and just being like "okay, I'll just grab their latest album..."

frogbs, Friday, 20 April 2018 18:00 (yesterday) Permalink

lol that was me in 2016

flappy bird, Friday, 20 April 2018 18:00 (yesterday) Permalink

Draft 7.30 was the first one I bought.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 20 April 2018 18:01 (yesterday) Permalink

But picking up a quintuple album as your introduction would be pretty intense, I agree.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 20 April 2018 18:02 (yesterday) Permalink

xpost he got worse as he got older!

Yerac, Friday, 20 April 2018 18:02 (yesterday) Permalink

i didn't buy it i streamed it... i think
then i got Incunabula on vinyl and wasn't into at all, sold it last summer. i like the Garbage EP

flappy bird, Friday, 20 April 2018 18:04 (yesterday) Permalink

Gantz Graf is also my favorite. I feel like I used to be an outlier with this opinion, but I think these days among autechre fans the Confield/Draft/Untilted era is considered the best by many if not by most.

― silverfish, Friday, April 20, 2018 6:10 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In say 2002-2005 I felt like Autechre fans were all "STFU with that ridiculous novelty noise thing" but everyone who's still onboard now seems to agree with me that it's the best distillation of the Autechre concept, or the concept as it was at least.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 20 April 2018 18:24 (yesterday) Permalink

And in related news I just showed the video to my kids (aged 3 and 7) and they said it was "awesome" so that probably settles it.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 20 April 2018 18:30 (yesterday) Permalink


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