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C J (C J), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 08:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i believe the subwoofer should be destroyed and banned forevermore

Queen G (Queeng), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 08:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Bright Eyes is one of my favorite bands.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 08:39 (seventeen years ago) link

If we were in 30's Berlin we'd all be Nazi's.

Sylvestre, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link

oil spills are good for the environment -- they're jsut something to keep it on it's toes (and it's had it way too easy of late if you ask me)

Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 13:59 (seventeen years ago) link

By the time I finish this sentance, three children will have died of starvation. Food worldwide is too expensive. Solution - eat the dead children.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:01 (seventeen years ago) link

some nights the moon is actually so close you cd reach out and touch it

but don't, as its surface temperature is zero kelvin and yr fingers wd shatter into an icy dust

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Bobby Brown is the king of R&B.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Keanu Reeves is perfectly cast in both Much Ado About Nothing and Dracula.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:33 (seventeen years ago) link

You should have 3 C's or above at A-level in order to get into ANY university course. No exceptions.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I fucking rule!

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

That story in the New York Times about some universities (University of Georgia?) giving out scholarships to rich kids who already have big, fat college funds & parents who earn over 200 000$US/yr & have achieved a dazzling B average....perfectly justified.

*cough*

Miss Laura, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Kittens are so All-American

Liz :x (Liz :x), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

2002 is the best year for music EVER thanks to the Von Downbeats, the Music, the Noise, the Light, the Tapes, the Buses and the Damnable Atrophies!

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Avril Lavigne is the greatest star in music today.

Graham (graham), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Avril lavigne is carrying on with sonic youth's good work in mixing rock and avant garde influences.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link

"It's very naughty of me, but I would like to set an examination paper at Dover, and turn back every tourist who couldn't pass it."

"What would you ask us?"

Miss Lavis laid her hand pleasantly on Lucy's arm, as if to suggest that she, at all events, would get full marks."

Madchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Vanessa Carlton is the new Prince!

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think Robert DiNiro's bits in Godfather II are necessary or an improvement on the movie.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

The 2002 World Cup suffered from bribery of officials.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh shit, with these two posts I forgot that I had to BELIEVE them!

OK, then, something I DO believe; Derek Bailey will have a number one single before this decade's out.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Non-United States nationals who bitch about how their country is so much better than the U.S. should take a few minutes and consider why so many of their compatriots want to live and work here.

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

The Sopranos really is the most overrated pile of dreary cack.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

michael keaton was mesmerizing in "multiplicity" *

*does this controversial opinion necessarily have to be mine?

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

''OK, then, something I DO believe; Derek Bailey will have a number one single before this decade's out.''

that's something I WANT to believe.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

hiv might not cause aids
in jokes are not jokes

boxcubed (boxcubed), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

None of these opinions are controversial (including this one).

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

it is difficult to discern which stoops to more decrepid methods of pimping it's own putresent ass - lord of the rings or missy elliot.

Queen G (Queeng), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Tom Ewing's pro-pop anti-indie stance is a phase.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I envy almost everyone on ILE who I claim to dislike.

AND WHAT ANDREW SAID!!

Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

(dunno if I already posted this, but I thought I'd better rephrase)

The people who sometimes annoy me on ILE are on the whole the ones whose talents I most envy.

AND WHAT ANDREW SAID!!

Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

The 'pro-pop' stance seems like more of an excuse for intellectual dishonesty every day.

maura (maura), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Ouch. There's a lot of pop I'm utterly unthrilled by, but that seems harsh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link

The American government faked the 1969 Moon landing

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

"Disabled people are paying for their sins in a past life"

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

the last part of subject line questions aren't worth reading

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Vanilla Coke just tastes like cream soda.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

* Vanilla Coke tastes just like cream soda.
* Coal Gray is better than black.
* Mail should be delivered on Sundays.
* Private schools should be made illegal to bring money back in to the public school system.
* Down with the Death Penalty!
* Freaks and Geeks was one of the top 5 TV shows ever.
* Billy Corgan looked better with hair.
* Turkey should no longer be the focus of Thanksgiving dinner. The 'side' dishes are far better than the main dish (sweet potato casserole mmm...).
* A Dog, though cute, will never make as good of a pet as a cat.
* Having children in hopes of continuing your own legacy is selfish.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

What? Can't handle my opinions, huh?? Everyone in shock?

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I approve of Michael Jackson dangling his child out of a window. More parents should follow his example.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I approve of Michael Jackson eating his young in front of a live audience. More parents should follow his example.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Compulsory medical testing and research should be carried out on prison inmates. I like the thought that a serial rapist or murderer could be used as a guinea-pig in helping to find the cure for cancer.

C J (C J), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

it is difficult to discern which stoops to more decrepid methods of pimping it's own putresent ass - lord of the rings or missy elliot.

I believe the Harry Potter industry is even more guilty of this.

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link

"* Billy Corgan looked better with hair."

But he DID!

Curtis Stephens, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I know I'm going to get a lot of flack on this, especially at this time of year, but...I don't think that sweet potatoes/yams are fit for human consumption. Even topped with marshmallows.

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

It all seems funny, kinda like a dream, things ain't always what they seem.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think that sweet potatoes/yams are fit for human consumption
That's ok.
I am a food connoisseur. It's so hard for me to relate with the common folk!

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I have moments when I think the death penalty might not be a terrible idea. It sometimes seems really expensive and, well, fundamentally perverse to incarcerate someone for life or even for a decade or two.

I don't have a firm opinion on whether abortion should be legal. I've yet to see a totally convincing pro-choice argument (not that I've been reading in depth). My main reason for being sort of pro-choice is that it's a controversial topic and since I don't have a firm decided opinion I want to leave it up to personal choice.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The Muppet Show was more annoying than anything else.

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link

George W. Bush is a big poopy-head.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link

You probably need to avoid Tintin In The Congo fyi

ymo sumac (NickB), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:23 (four weeks ago) link

I legit don't think i'd have such an overwhelming interest in world cultures, travel and history (including the history of European perceptions of others) if i hadn't been such a huge Tintin fan as a child. Perhaps it's not so important now kids have access to the internet and a million TV channels, but thirty years ago it was a window into the wonder of human existence like few others. It has been a while since i last re-read them but iirc they still stand up well as adventure stories.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:29 (four weeks ago) link

i like tintin but the early books (the first 10 or so, maybe?) are indeed flawed for all the reasons mentioned -- tintin in the congo is so horrific in so many ways it actually made me angry when i read it. (tintin in the land of the soviets is pretty funny, though: iirc there's a scene where tintin stumbles on lenin and trotsky's stash of buried treasure, or something like that.)

herge did become quite a bit better later on, though -- the moon books, castafiore emerald, tintin in tibet all display real growth: better art, more convincing characterization, better plotting + humor. if you're not into them, tho, no reason to keep going imo.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:32 (four weeks ago) link

Flight 714 is weird!

Don’t you need to read The Secret Of The Unicorn for Red Rackem’s Treasure to make sense?

The other ones you read are early ones, not so great, imo, later ones get much better.

Agree about the racism, obv

brimstead, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:32 (four weeks ago) link

The Dalai Llama has praises Tintin In Tibet, fwiw

brimstead, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:33 (four weeks ago) link

praised

brimstead, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:33 (four weeks ago) link

There's a very good passage in The Blue Lotus where Tintin and a young boy discusses Europeans racist views on Chinese. He got that out of his system, I think. There's still a lot of other stereotypes throughout the series, though

Frederik B, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:34 (four weeks ago) link

I don’t believe Tintin In the Congo is available in the US? It wasn’t when I was growing up in the 90s anyway

brimstead, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:34 (four weeks ago) link

shooting star is (or used to be) my favorite of the early books but it was serialized during the nazi occupation of belgium, which makes the problematic stuff even more disturbing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shooting_Star#Antisemitism

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:34 (four weeks ago) link

Sorry, stepped away to heat up some pork. I didn't mean to suggest that Curious George is orientalist -- but it relies on period-equivalent icky colonialist attitudes. While it wasn't written to be racist, clearly, it definitely uses shifty power dynamics from the end of imperialism to illustrate power dynamics that reinforce white hegemony.

rb (soda), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:35 (four weeks ago) link

Tintin In The Congo has mostly been reprinted as a for-adults historical-curio with contextual introduction, it's been many decades since it was available for kids.

A lot of the othering depends on caricatures that a kid today isn't likely to pick up on because the specificity of the caricature has been erased, like the semitic financier in Shooting Star. (It's mordantly amusing that this was originally created under Nazi occupation, and Herge revised the character to remove the specific elements that he thought were Jewish, not just cartoony, for the collected editions. It was still totally obvious by 1950s standards, but doesn't really read today. Vindication at last.)

Herge definitely gets much much better as he goes on, in terms of racism as well as (obv) storytelling. Later books are explicitly anti-colonial and anti-bigotry (eg Prisoners Of The Sun, The Castafiore Emerald), presumably partly as a corrective, and partly just because Herge became quite personally woke. But the computer lettering in the post-2005-ish editions is so painful that they're best enjoyed for the illustrative work by the studio artists.

Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:50 (four weeks ago) link

Idg that at all about Curious George. Can u be more specific? Is it just the white paternal figure steals a monkey from africa? Thats just the first book.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:54 (four weeks ago) link

Xps

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:54 (four weeks ago) link

George always seemed more like a stand-in for a child than for a non-white ethnicity

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:56 (four weeks ago) link

In a (fairly) well-anthologized kid's lit essay, June Cummins talks about George as a 'mimic-man.' He's part of a mid-century wave of characters that read very differently depending on audience. Article here: https://ziggysroom.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/article-the-resisting-monkey-curious-george-slave-captivity-narratives-and-the-postcolonial-condition.pdf. See also: Oompa Loompas, Babar.

rb (soda), Thursday, 12 March 2020 00:46 (three weeks ago) link

Huh thx

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2020 01:36 (three weeks ago) link

'Tintin is bad' it otm, but hardly a controversial opinion (depends where you live perhaps?). It's one the few cultural touchstones that's been well called out on its racism, at least over here (and ppl here *love* to wave away racism in stuff they used to like as a kid).

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 12 March 2020 08:20 (three weeks ago) link

In the French-speaking world, these days it's customary to acknowledge that Tintin is hopelessly problematic while at the same time holding it up as a masterpiece of comic book art.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Thursday, 12 March 2020 08:31 (three weeks ago) link

tintin au congo is studied on uk linguistics courses as an exemplar of racist colonial literature

ogmor, Thursday, 12 March 2020 08:52 (three weeks ago) link

I can't think of a better use for it tbh.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Thursday, 12 March 2020 09:00 (three weeks ago) link

When I was younger the view seemed to be that he was hopelessly dodgy at the start, but then he came over it. And it sorta changes when people say he got over it, from Tintin in America to Tintin in Tibet to never really...

Frederik B, Thursday, 12 March 2020 09:05 (three weeks ago) link

tbc the racism wasn't my *only* complaint - I think he's a pretty shitty storyteller too! some pretty pictures tho. I can detect his influence on all kinds of things I like way more (Moebius, Wes Anderson) but there's a flat, repetitive quality to it that does not appeal.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2020 14:35 (three weeks ago) link

yeah again, not to be all deadhead-ish but the early ones you read aren’t so good

brimstead, Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:39 (three weeks ago) link

idk I thought the ones I listed were all over the place time-wise. The one we just read (Flight 714) is one of the last ones - ends with a totally nonsensical deus ex machina after a bunch of convoluted capture/rescue/shootout sequences with too many characters

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:43 (three weeks ago) link

yeah I loved that one as a kid. You’re probably right.

brimstead, Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:44 (three weeks ago) link

Flight 714 rules fuiud

El Tomboto, Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:44 (three weeks ago) link

Besides the racism, the other obvious issue is that Tintin is a child doing an adult job.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:46 (three weeks ago) link

it just feels like none of his stuff follows any kind of standard narrative structure - there's no themes, no sense of pacing the action, no building-to-a-climax, no real resolution, a lot of these stories feel like just a lot of random stuff that happens as an excuse to draw Tintin in a jungle, or a desert, or in a submarine or whatever.

xps

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:46 (three weeks ago) link

Tintin is a child doing an adult job.

haha yeah is this ever given any kind of explanation? I feel like after having read a lot of these I should have some grasp of where the character comes from and why he's in the position he's in and yet... like, where is his family? is he an orphan? Does he have a job (sometimes he appears to be a reporter, for some reason)? Why does he do any of the shit he does?

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:50 (three weeks ago) link

and don't say "it's for children, who cares!" Uncle Scrooge's motivations and defining characteristics, as a counter-example, are crystal clear. Even Little Nemo is based on a premise that serves to explain all the nonsense.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:52 (three weeks ago) link

fwiw when i love comics did a poll like 15 years ago tintin ranked no. 1!

tintin himself is kind of a strange character -- not just ageless but kind of without any real personality at all, he's more like a stand-in for the reader than anything

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:53 (three weeks ago) link

yeah it's v weird, he's a nullity

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:59 (three weeks ago) link

which is by intention, I would think.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:59 (three weeks ago) link

Herge himself seems to have been something of an empty vessel*, who also started his life's career as a school-aged teenager.

* he married a coworker on the orders of their boss, who kept a portrait of Mussolini in the office and conducted the wedding ceremony

Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:53 (three weeks ago) link

The reason Tintin is a kid doing an adults job is because the strip was originally about teaching kids about the world. It was a newspaper strip in the kid section of a right-wing newspaper, and was just meant to indoctrinate about Soviet, Congo, US, etc.

It never really moved beyond that serialized mentality. Every page is it's own thing, and yeah, a lot of it is bad excuses for pretty drawings. That was indeed the point.

Frederik B, Friday, 13 March 2020 08:09 (three weeks ago) link

Britney Spears is a Republican.

rusted (crüt), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 15:14 (two weeks ago) link

In the 1991 Nardwuar vs Sonic Youth interview, Nardwuar was the bully and SY were within their rights to lash out.

Sund4r, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 11:18 (one week ago) link

I have no idea what anybody finds amusing about that terrible terrible cunt

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 11:21 (one week ago) link

^^ otfm. Baffled by the love for him. I don't get the "nardwuar is a national treasure he may not die!" but I'm guessing it's one of those #lolUSA things I'm better off not understanding anyway (yes, I know he's Canadian).

I don't understand why everybody doesn't just headbutt the fucker and then kick him to death tbh

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 12:00 (one week ago) link

the man does research!

ogmor, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 12:11 (one week ago) link

????????

brimstead, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 18:10 (one week ago) link

#lolUSA

brimstead, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 18:51 (one week ago) link

Films aren’t art.

― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Wednesday, September 25, 2019 8:42 AM (six months ago)

came here to post this again, oh well.

All my posts in this thread are good

silby, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:22 (one week ago) link

Dance isn't art.

How am I doing?

coco vide (pomenitul), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:24 (one week ago) link

could try harder

silby, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:26 (one week ago) link

saying things aren't art is performance

Evan, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:31 (one week ago) link

Saying it's performance to say things aren't art is performance.

coco vide (pomenitul), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:33 (one week ago) link

it's not art to say that saying it's performance to say things aren't art is performance

Evan, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:36 (one week ago) link

Performance art is bad art

Frederik B, Thursday, 2 April 2020 08:00 (six days ago) link


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