Greta Gerwig's Barbie movie

i spent several minutes trying to think of the metaphor you were trying to convey with that tweet, lol

Wait tell me more about this storm

Margot Robbie snub has invoked biblical vengeance on California

yeah seriously we should be discussing it somewhere, gonna be rough on the West coast

Had to Google and yes, it is Joe Spinell wearing the Jaws T-shirt with Spielberg!

I spent several minutes debating whether I should move to Nevada.

Gerwig and Robbie are both nominated for Oscars (screenplay and best picture).

“Everyone is talking about Margot Robbie, I’m trying to get people to Mar-GO to the polls” https://t.co/coOtbx6DvE pic.twitter.com/lV8kRWVOKA

— Tim Hogan (@timjhogan) January 24, 2024

Hillary…. delete your account

Yeah, gret-a clue!

You already Margo Robbie-d me of my time thinking about that dumb tweet!

Make America Great A-Ken

Margot Robbie produced, and Greta Gerwig directed, a movie that made a billion dollars. And it wasn't Gerwig's first hit movie; Lady Bird made $80 million on a $10 million budget, and Little Women made $220 million on a $40 million budget. From an industry POV, they're both set for life.

Gerwig cashing in her chips and favors and goodwill by making two "Chronicles of Narnia" movies for Netflix.

I was going to snark at her for that, but on second thought no it's fine. That's success in her business and she's welcome to it. Hollywood needs more women and minorities at the top end.

would ye have said the same when ye heard she was making a barbie movie for mattel?

i think shes more than proven she can work wonders with what doesnt seem promising material and tbh id include little women in that

She's basically batting 1000%, that's for sure. I suppose if I'd already proven myself on several different fronts that a huge adaptation of a beloved epic children's fantasy series would be just the challenge.

i’m so glad there’s video of this i absolutely needed to hear him say it https://t.co/Z8WVVAzCfa pic.twitter.com/g0sorz68cT

— laura 🦠 (@ecto_fun) February 23, 2024

So, someone who was literally born in Germany during the Second World War believes that watching a movie about a girls' toy is traumatizing.

That's, um, quite special.

Klaus Kinough

I think Herr Herzog was speaking more in keeping with a certain theological concept, where Hell is an eternal exclusion from a knowledge of God and consequently condemned to meaningless vacuity for all time. Under the broad umbrella of this concept there can be be a nearly infinite number of visions of pure Hell.

Or maybe he was just improvising. Hard to say.

this is pretty much how he describes everything lol

People's interest in Werner Herzog's opinions is baffling to me. The guy directed, like, three movies I like, all more than 40 years old at this point. I'd be much more interested in Greta Gerwig's opinion of Nosferatu than Herzog's opinion of Barbie.

he's hilarious but you would have to be extremely, um, credulous to take his opinions literally

Herzog likes to clown. He wants to be entertaining more than he wants to be 'correct'. Give him an audience and he'll happily adapt his opinions to gratify this inclination. You're just asking him for something he doesn't care to give. Not a problem when you think about it.

Yeah, I don't get why anyone's getting bent out of shape over his comment. He makes hyperbolic comments like this all the time partly as a joke - it's never meant to be taken that literally.

I've got reservations about his work, but his documentaries are usually better than his narrative films - he's been less prolific of late, but the burst of activity he's had in the 21st century has been consistently excellent with nearly all of it is documentary work. Above all though, Aguirre is a towering masterpiece, and I think the consensus has been spot-on in crowning it as his greatest film. Fitzcarraldo is pretty good, but I actually prefer Les Blank's Burden of Dreams where you see how Herzog is the real megalomaniac.

FWIW, Errol Morris did a great Q&A for Gates of Heaven (screened at a Tom Buddy tribute last year), and they asked him why he wasn't at the shoe-eating that was memorably captured on film. Herzog famously claimed he would eat his shoe if Morris finished that film, and Morris said he never remembered Herzog ever making that promise, adding, "you know it's one of Werner's tales...or as I'd like to call them, LIES."

Luddy not Buddy - AUTOCORRECT, argh

Herzog's comment in context does not seem at all disparaging of the movie tbh

Herzog was on Conan's podcast recently describing how (roughly) "therapy can be extremely dangerous, transforming one's mind into a house that's unbearable to live in". Conan has a glowing BetterHelp ad read in almost every episode.

My mind is a condemned building already

Heh

Herzog has been greatly enjoying making fun of his role as Serious Documentary Maker - he's doing so in Orion and the Dark, the new animated movie written by Charlie Kaufman, and of course:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWxy9C5svFU

The world of Barbie was hellish. That is why Barbie chose to live in the real world instead, even though it is filled with suffering and injustice.

Just saw this, finally. Fun but too hetero.

Someone has to say, "Well, when he's in hell he'll think he's just in the Barbie movie," and I suppose it may as well be me.

Its funny bc I can totally imagine Herzog tossing off a cheeky joke about making a Barbie movie that matches the plot of the Barbie movie that we actually got. Like “Hollywood would NEVER allow me to make a Barbie movie because my version would be about Barbie slowly deteriorating and going insane as she realizes that she is only the plaything of a hopeless and death-obsessed mortal woman.”

the german word for house is already mojodojocasahaus

I'll see it two years from now and revive this thread so I can give all of you my fresh insights. ;-)

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, August 12, 2023 11:28 AM (seven months ago)

I'm well ahead of schedule here, but we watched this at home last night from a public library DVD on our smallish low-resolution television. I knew going in that we were too old to fit the intended audience, but this was a movie that grew into a phenomenon and that always interests me.

We laughed here and there, the production design was cartoony & clever & original, the music and dancing helped keep the pace bouncing along. Gerwig knew what it wanted to do and did it well, but as I said far upthread, when the object of your satire is vacuity your jokes are bound to cluster in a very limited range. As for the 'message', it was fine, though very basic and avoided any deep waters.

My overall opinion is that it was absolutely spot on for an audience of mothers with daughters in the range of about 12 to 16, and would be generally entertaining for more general audiences, with diminishing returns as the age of the viewer climbed above 40. These observations are not a criticism of how well conceived and executed it was. I can't imagine a Barbie movie could have been better done than this one and it clearly found a responsive chord in millions of people. So, we enjoyed it, but we just happened to be a bit too old to extract the maximum enjoyment. Not a problem, just a fact.

(also not a fact)

how do you come by this knowledge?

Well, I'm considerably older than 40, and I enjoyed the hell out of it. I'm not saying you have to! But the bogus generalisations are... bogus

I think I came pretty close to maximum enjoyment. I wonder what's going to happen to me in the next 7-8 years to make that impossible to achieve.

xp otm

As long as we're here let's immortalize this too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhWqpvGq6b4

All-time, that lerfirm

Performance

John Grisham's Ler Firm

xps - Both of you are welcome to your opinions, but I think my saying "we enjoyed it, but we just happened to be a bit too old to extract the maximum enjoyment" is hardly the stuff of harsh criticism you seem to think.

We are 69 and 75 years old. That means we grew up in a somewhat different era of pop culture than someone who is at present 50 or 60. That fact won't change no matter how much more time passes. I made zero claims that this fact had any relevance other than it affected our frame of reference. My other generalization about diminishing returns above the age of 40 was based on the observation that the creators of the movie mainly wanted to speak to a life experience relevant to their imagined target audience and they chose their pop cultural frames of reference to match their audience. That PG-13 rating was not an accident. It's not like older people can't understand the frame, but its emotional meaning drifts further away as it becomes less an integral part of one's youth.

I don't think this anything I said was bogus. I was careful to use qualifiers and gradations to say what I consider some pretty innocuous things. But now I've said my say. Respond if you wish. It's not worth a prolonged argument.

It didn’t work for me either (I’m close to fifty, love Gerwig’s work) but I’m still trying to puzzle out why. My four year old’s quite into Barbie and I guess I slightly resented the impenetrable adultness of everything (for a very young person, not a teen or tween). I also struggled to stay interested once Perlman and Roth and Ferrera (so boring!) fell into the mix. I wasn’t sure how the “mothers stand still” line was meant to be interpreted but I’m not sure I like either possible interpretation. No bitterness - just curious why it didn’t work for me.

Stil

Aimless, we still love you. No need for that response!