Greta Gerwig's Barbie movie

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Me until now: "Okay, interesting casting, those stills of people in costume kinda cool, whatever happens happens."

Me upon seeing this: "Wait, a half year wait still? WANT NOW."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zIf0XvoL9Y

Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2022 17:20 (one year ago) link

HELL YES IN GRETA WE TRUST GIVE IT TO ME

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Friday, 16 December 2022 17:22 (one year ago) link

Between this and Mario 2023 is going to be the year of me being embarrassingly enthusiastic about brand cash in flicks

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Friday, 16 December 2022 17:23 (one year ago) link

in Greta we trust = absolute truth

partez Maroc anthem (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 December 2022 17:23 (one year ago) link

I laughed harder at this trailer than I have at any other trailer

I can't wait

french testicle (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 16 December 2022 17:32 (one year ago) link

Great trailer.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 December 2022 17:42 (one year ago) link

I’m sold.

Soda Stereo Total (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 16 December 2022 18:31 (one year ago) link

I am worried by the involvement of Baumbach.

Piedie Gimbel, Friday, 16 December 2022 18:46 (one year ago) link

Baumbach is often pretty full of himself, but he did co-write "Life Aquatic" and "Fantastic Mr. Fox" with Wes Anderson, and those were good. So ... fingers crossed!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 December 2022 18:57 (one year ago) link

that trailer is amazing lmao

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:00 (one year ago) link

Trailer's very funny. No interest in the actual movie, but it's a really good one-off gag.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:02 (one year ago) link

the gag is funny but also the clips of the DANCING and the COLORS and the JACKETS

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:02 (one year ago) link

i'm also a big fan of the comedy acting of Margot Robbie so i'm v optimistic for this

partez Maroc anthem (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:04 (one year ago) link

The trailer was a clever and cute teaser. The few flashes of (mostly dance) footage at the end itself seemed less than compelling. That cotton candy color scheme, if it pervades the entire film, would be extremely painful to sit through.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:04 (one year ago) link

Baumbach/Gerwig movies are probably better than Baumbach movies, I have no objection to a Gerwig/Baumbach movie

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:04 (one year ago) link

yeah i don't thing Greta has written or directed a bad movie

partez Maroc anthem (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:06 (one year ago) link

frances ha and mistress america are def a cut above in the baumbach filmography

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:07 (one year ago) link

he did co-write "Life Aquatic" … good.

LIES

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:12 (one year ago) link

i love Life Aquatic!

partez Maroc anthem (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:14 (one year ago) link

Gerwig has made two perfect films. I trust her.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:20 (one year ago) link

I'm hyped for this.

trishyb, Friday, 16 December 2022 19:20 (one year ago) link

meanwhile Baumbach just made...White Noise.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:21 (one year ago) link

oh shit the Delillo book? i didn't know about that

it seems like a thoroughly bad idea if so

partez Maroc anthem (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:22 (one year ago) link

that's about right

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:22 (one year ago) link

ok one to avoid

partez Maroc anthem (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:25 (one year ago) link

Miyazaki, Mario, and Barbie - 2023 is looking pretty fun

jmm, Friday, 16 December 2022 21:07 (one year ago) link

Ain’t it fun?

Soda Stereo Total (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 16 December 2022 21:09 (one year ago) link

Also impressed that they did something funny with the ten-millionth reference to the Dawn of Man scene

jmm, Friday, 16 December 2022 21:17 (one year ago) link

not to be a jerk but is there some non-fandom reason to anticipate the Mario movie?

rob, Friday, 16 December 2022 21:31 (one year ago) link

Idk it’ll probably be gently funny and the music sounds great, probably won’t have any piss jokes like all the other kids’ movies seem to these days

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Friday, 16 December 2022 21:39 (one year ago) link

I'm with Milo Z on Life Aquatic, which singlehandedly killed my vague Anderson interest. This on the other hand looks perfectly entertaining.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2022 22:41 (one year ago) link

Honestly, I didn't like it, either. But the fact that the Baumbach co-write "Mr. Fox" is one of my fave Wes Andersons, and was what brought me back as a fan after "Darjeeling," leads me to believe Baumbach wasn't necessarily the problem with "Life Aquatic."

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 December 2022 23:01 (one year ago) link

"Mr. Fox" is, well, fantastic.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 16 December 2022 23:03 (one year ago) link

Miyazaki, Mario, and Barbie - 2023 is looking pretty fun

Had not heard that How Do You Live? is coming out!

fleeting art that floats! (geoffreyess), Friday, 16 December 2022 23:43 (one year ago) link

Mr. Fox and His Friends?

Soda Stereo Total (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 16 December 2022 23:45 (one year ago) link

maybe this will be the trigger we need to get a Josie & The Pussycats Criterion blu ray

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 16 December 2022 23:45 (one year ago) link

Had not heard that How Do You Live? is coming out!

Yeah, I can't wait. Just got the book from the library.

jmm, Saturday, 17 December 2022 01:14 (one year ago) link

Idk it’ll probably be gently funny and the music sounds great, probably won’t have any piss jokes like all the other kids’ movies seem to these days

Lolling that the movie about the plumber running around in sewers probably won’t have any piss jokes

castanuts (DJP), Saturday, 17 December 2022 03:52 (one year ago) link

Oh no

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Saturday, 17 December 2022 03:53 (one year ago) link

Just had a weird flashback to Ice Cube drinking piss in the kids movie "Are We There Yet", glad to see piss jokes still a thing two decades on

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 17 December 2022 22:40 (one year ago) link

https://pbfcomics.com/comics/mario-too/

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 17 December 2022 22:43 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Oh my

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRyt3Ov4zz0

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 16:34 (one year ago) link

my hot take is when the target of your satire is vacuity, the zings are going to cluster in a very small range

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 16:48 (one year ago) link

Trailer I saw before (haven't clicked yet on this one) was interesting, but yeah.

Little Big Man Yells at Red Cloud (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 16:55 (one year ago) link

Something of a pivot for Ari Aster, then

Harthill Services (Neil Willett), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 18:16 (one year ago) link

Okay, now I see

Little Big Man Yells at Red Cloud (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 18:27 (one year ago) link

That cast!

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 18:38 (one year ago) link

just going by that newest trailer wow this thing (visually) looks like total digital shit and not in a cool hyperpop 100gecs way

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 19:57 (one year ago) link

ugh yeah

My Ouzo Weighs a Tun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 20:10 (one year ago) link

This and the new Wes Anderson would be an overwhelming double feature on the eyes.

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 20:19 (one year ago) link

Klaus Kinough

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 24 February 2024 03:52 (five months ago) link

I think Herr Herzog was speaking more in keeping with a certain theological concept, where Hell is an eternal exclusion from a knowledge of God and consequently condemned to meaningless vacuity for all time. Under the broad umbrella of this concept there can be be a nearly infinite number of visions of pure Hell.

Or maybe he was just improvising. Hard to say.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 24 February 2024 04:01 (five months ago) link

this is pretty much how he describes everything lol

call all destroyer, Saturday, 24 February 2024 04:05 (five months ago) link

People's interest in Werner Herzog's opinions is baffling to me. The guy directed, like, three movies I like, all more than 40 years old at this point. I'd be much more interested in Greta Gerwig's opinion of Nosferatu than Herzog's opinion of Barbie.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Saturday, 24 February 2024 04:25 (five months ago) link

he's hilarious but you would have to be extremely, um, credulous to take his opinions literally

call all destroyer, Saturday, 24 February 2024 04:28 (five months ago) link

Herzog likes to clown. He wants to be entertaining more than he wants to be 'correct'. Give him an audience and he'll happily adapt his opinions to gratify this inclination. You're just asking him for something he doesn't care to give. Not a problem when you think about it.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 24 February 2024 04:33 (five months ago) link

Yeah, I don't get why anyone's getting bent out of shape over his comment. He makes hyperbolic comments like this all the time partly as a joke - it's never meant to be taken that literally.

I've got reservations about his work, but his documentaries are usually better than his narrative films - he's been less prolific of late, but the burst of activity he's had in the 21st century has been consistently excellent with nearly all of it is documentary work. Above all though, Aguirre is a towering masterpiece, and I think the consensus has been spot-on in crowning it as his greatest film. Fitzcarraldo is pretty good, but I actually prefer Les Blank's Burden of Dreams where you see how Herzog is the real megalomaniac.

birdistheword, Saturday, 24 February 2024 19:55 (five months ago) link

FWIW, Errol Morris did a great Q&A for Gates of Heaven (screened at a Tom Buddy tribute last year), and they asked him why he wasn't at the shoe-eating that was memorably captured on film. Herzog famously claimed he would eat his shoe if Morris finished that film, and Morris said he never remembered Herzog ever making that promise, adding, "you know it's one of Werner's tales...or as I'd like to call them, LIES."

birdistheword, Saturday, 24 February 2024 19:58 (five months ago) link

Luddy not Buddy - AUTOCORRECT, argh

birdistheword, Saturday, 24 February 2024 19:59 (five months ago) link

Herzog's comment in context does not seem at all disparaging of the movie tbh

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Saturday, 24 February 2024 22:51 (five months ago) link

Herzog was on Conan's podcast recently describing how (roughly) "therapy can be extremely dangerous, transforming one's mind into a house that's unbearable to live in". Conan has a glowing BetterHelp ad read in almost every episode.

batman monster truck (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 25 February 2024 13:41 (four months ago) link

My mind is a condemned building already

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 February 2024 17:17 (four months ago) link

Heh

The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 February 2024 17:45 (four months ago) link

Herzog has been greatly enjoying making fun of his role as Serious Documentary Maker - he's doing so in Orion and the Dark, the new animated movie written by Charlie Kaufman, and of course:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWxy9C5svFU

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 25 February 2024 21:18 (four months ago) link

The world of Barbie was hellish. That is why Barbie chose to live in the real world instead, even though it is filled with suffering and injustice.

treeship., Sunday, 25 February 2024 22:24 (four months ago) link

Just saw this, finally. Fun but too hetero.

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 25 February 2024 22:34 (four months ago) link

Someone has to say, "Well, when he's in hell he'll think he's just in the Barbie movie," and I suppose it may as well be me.

Lily Dale, Monday, 26 February 2024 00:14 (four months ago) link

Its funny bc I can totally imagine Herzog tossing off a cheeky joke about making a Barbie movie that matches the plot of the Barbie movie that we actually got. Like “Hollywood would NEVER allow me to make a Barbie movie because my version would be about Barbie slowly deteriorating and going insane as she realizes that she is only the plaything of a hopeless and death-obsessed mortal woman.”

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Monday, 26 February 2024 15:08 (four months ago) link

the german word for house is already mojodojocasahaus

batman monster truck (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 26 February 2024 16:40 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I'll see it two years from now and revive this thread so I can give all of you my fresh insights. ;-)

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, August 12, 2023 11:28 AM (seven months ago)

I'm well ahead of schedule here, but we watched this at home last night from a public library DVD on our smallish low-resolution television. I knew going in that we were too old to fit the intended audience, but this was a movie that grew into a phenomenon and that always interests me.

We laughed here and there, the production design was cartoony & clever & original, the music and dancing helped keep the pace bouncing along. Gerwig knew what it wanted to do and did it well, but as I said far upthread, when the object of your satire is vacuity your jokes are bound to cluster in a very limited range. As for the 'message', it was fine, though very basic and avoided any deep waters.

My overall opinion is that it was absolutely spot on for an audience of mothers with daughters in the range of about 12 to 16, and would be generally entertaining for more general audiences, with diminishing returns as the age of the viewer climbed above 40. These observations are not a criticism of how well conceived and executed it was. I can't imagine a Barbie movie could have been better done than this one and it clearly found a responsive chord in millions of people. So, we enjoyed it, but we just happened to be a bit too old to extract the maximum enjoyment. Not a problem, just a fact.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 17 March 2024 18:40 (four months ago) link

(also not a fact)

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 17 March 2024 18:50 (four months ago) link

how do you come by this knowledge?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 17 March 2024 18:56 (four months ago) link

Well, I'm considerably older than 40, and I enjoyed the hell out of it. I'm not saying you have to! But the bogus generalisations are... bogus

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 17 March 2024 19:17 (four months ago) link

I think I came pretty close to maximum enjoyment. I wonder what's going to happen to me in the next 7-8 years to make that impossible to achieve.

xp otm

UKXEPCTED TWITS (WmC), Sunday, 17 March 2024 19:19 (four months ago) link

As long as we're here let's immortalize this too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhWqpvGq6b4

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 17 March 2024 19:31 (four months ago) link

All-time, that lerfirm

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 March 2024 19:57 (four months ago) link

Performance

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 March 2024 19:57 (four months ago) link

John Grisham's Ler Firm

xps - Both of you are welcome to your opinions, but I think my saying "we enjoyed it, but we just happened to be a bit too old to extract the maximum enjoyment" is hardly the stuff of harsh criticism you seem to think.

We are 69 and 75 years old. That means we grew up in a somewhat different era of pop culture than someone who is at present 50 or 60. That fact won't change no matter how much more time passes. I made zero claims that this fact had any relevance other than it affected our frame of reference. My other generalization about diminishing returns above the age of 40 was based on the observation that the creators of the movie mainly wanted to speak to a life experience relevant to their imagined target audience and they chose their pop cultural frames of reference to match their audience. That PG-13 rating was not an accident. It's not like older people can't understand the frame, but its emotional meaning drifts further away as it becomes less an integral part of one's youth.

I don't think this anything I said was bogus. I was careful to use qualifiers and gradations to say what I consider some pretty innocuous things. But now I've said my say. Respond if you wish. It's not worth a prolonged argument.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 17 March 2024 20:07 (four months ago) link

It didn’t work for me either (I’m close to fifty, love Gerwig’s work) but I’m still trying to puzzle out why. My four year old’s quite into Barbie and I guess I slightly resented the impenetrable adultness of everything (for a very young person, not a teen or tween). I also struggled to stay interested once Perlman and Roth and Ferrera (so boring!) fell into the mix. I wasn’t sure how the “mothers stand still” line was meant to be interpreted but I’m not sure I like either possible interpretation. No bitterness - just curious why it didn’t work for me.

Stil

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 17 March 2024 20:17 (four months ago) link

Aimless, we still love you. No need for that response!

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 March 2024 21:27 (four months ago) link

Nor that response, Alfred.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 17 March 2024 21:29 (four months ago) link

It's okay if you don't respond to a movie in the expected ways. See: The Zone of Interest thread.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 March 2024 21:37 (four months ago) link

It's okay if you don't respond to a movie in the expected ways.

Why do I get this feeling of being patronized? Maybe it's because you are not responding to what I said, but rather to some vague need to soothe me, as if I were a child acting over emotionally, rather than simply providing my reasoning behind an opinion that was called "bogus", but with no specifics of what was bogus supplied.

What was implied by Andrew in his post was that I'd said something that contradicted his experience of enjoyment "the hell out of" the movie although he was over age 40. That reading of my post was incorrect and I wished to address that. So I did.

I'm using this ultra-formal tone for a simple reason. Since the presumption has now been forwarded that I was over-reacting and therefore implies was some lack of legitimacy, I'm scrubbing my prose. But I won't be gently chided for enlarging on an opinion that was questioned as "bogus". This is supposed to be a conversation, an exchange, not just zings dropped serially, and I will not be patronized for simply pursuing the conversation.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 17 March 2024 22:31 (four months ago) link

It's not worth a prolonged argument.

two hours pass...

bae (sic), Sunday, 17 March 2024 22:38 (four months ago) link

zing!

now do you have anything of value to say?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 17 March 2024 22:44 (four months ago) link

Why do I get this feeling of being patronized? Maybe it's because you are not responding to what I said.

I've no idea. It's not my intention. Your first post was fine. Chuck's too.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 March 2024 22:49 (four months ago) link

now do you have anything of value to say?

It's not worth a prolonged argument.

bae (sic), Sunday, 17 March 2024 23:14 (four months ago) link

I'm just dubious about age being a barrier to extracting maximum enjoyment from anything.

UKXEPCTED TWITS (WmC), Sunday, 17 March 2024 23:44 (four months ago) link

exactly, it's actually a pretty offensive thing to say and then triple down on

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Sunday, 17 March 2024 23:46 (four months ago) link

In fairness to Aimless, I do appreciate the clarification that he's talking about being too old _right now_, that it's the specific extra years he has on me that make the difference, not the years that I have to make up to get to him. I don't think he's right, but I'm now aware that he's not talking about me, which is always what causes the reflex.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 18 March 2024 00:17 (four months ago) link

My take on Barbie is that it was very funny

Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Monday, 18 March 2024 00:43 (four months ago) link

agreed (age 57 here)

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Monday, 18 March 2024 01:51 (four months ago) link

My take on Barbie is that people who were children in 1961 (when Barbie was introduced) would like it well enough.

steely flan (suzy), Monday, 18 March 2024 08:39 (four months ago) link

fwiw I think "I'm not the target audience for this" - which is more or less what I took Aimless's post to be saying - is a reasonable thing to say, which doesn't mean you can't enjoy things that aren't targeted at you ofc. at any rate preferable to assuming everything in the world was made for your specific sensibilities and getting angry when something doesn't fit into that.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 18 March 2024 10:18 (four months ago) link

or someone else doesnt like it

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 18 March 2024 12:34 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

Finally watching this

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 7 June 2024 17:22 (one month ago) link

Still haven't seen but I did pass someone in a Kenough t-shirt the other day.

Billion Year Polyphonic Spree (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 7 June 2024 19:11 (one month ago) link

This was fun as hell

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 8 June 2024 20:20 (one month ago) link

it really is

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 8 June 2024 20:28 (one month ago) link


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