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Are you joining the servers

| (Latham Green), Friday, 4 November 2022 16:57 (three weeks ago) link

Thinking about it! Various friends there already so I'm asking around.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 November 2022 16:58 (three weeks ago) link

tried this some years ago last time twitter was Over and i didnt like it. would prefer to just stick to various web forums for my posting

ciderpress, Friday, 4 November 2022 17:01 (three weeks ago) link

Literally zero interest.

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Friday, 4 November 2022 17:02 (three weeks ago) link

Would rather go back to tumblr than this

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Friday, 4 November 2022 17:02 (three weeks ago) link

people are saying its not very intuitive - they seem lost - weird that join a server instead of just "having an account"

| (Latham Green), Friday, 4 November 2022 17:08 (three weeks ago) link

Well, FWIW

https://spaceballs.masto.host/@nedraggett

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 November 2022 00:36 (three weeks ago) link

Search: lasted about 27 million years

Destroy: wiped out by the last Ice Age

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 5 November 2022 00:40 (three weeks ago) link

i couldnt figure this out, why not just go and sit in a meadow idk

plax (ico), Saturday, 5 November 2022 01:04 (three weeks ago) link

So is this thing in the vein of IRC, where you'll only see people if they join the same instance/server as you? That seems quite the opposite of what social media is, in some ways.

Or can you be on multiple servers?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 5 November 2022 02:48 (three weeks ago) link

lol i would absolutely follow ned anywhere . . . apart from spaceballs, which is just awful

mookieproof, Saturday, 5 November 2022 02:58 (three weeks ago) link

I'm at https://mastodon.online/@quartzcity

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 5 November 2022 03:17 (three weeks ago) link

can we start a mastadon ILX? haha.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 5 November 2022 03:18 (three weeks ago) link

Ha. Not my server! I just needed an entry point.

Basically as I am sensing it now, to answer Trayce’s question — you can talk internally on your server but you can also basically talk to anyone on another server if that server doesn’t block yours for any reason. And basically as you follow people you create your equivalent of a Twitter feed, and there are list options etc. And you can set your posts to public or private. So it’s nowhere near as easy an entry as Twitter but once you get the hang of it it functions as it in practical terms. Seems worth a go.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 November 2022 03:31 (three weeks ago) link

can we start a mastadon ILX? haha.


If you like! But I have no idea how server creation works. My friend MTS who created the one I’m one said she had five invites to spare — I have no idea if that’s a basic entry level or whatever.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 November 2022 03:33 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah are they like minecraft or dischord servers - ie you have to actually have physical server space? I can seeyou have to moderate, which sounds unfun. I dunno - Masto looks very small. I've known about it for years but the only people I knew who ever bleated about it were hackers/devs and assorted nerd ne'er do wells.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 5 November 2022 03:36 (three weeks ago) link

its a bunch of connected fiefdoms instead of a dictatorship

ciderpress, Saturday, 5 November 2022 04:02 (three weeks ago) link

surely we have a baron(ess) among us

so to speak

mookieproof, Saturday, 5 November 2022 04:22 (three weeks ago) link

I like the old school FidoNet-powered-by-gnutella feel of the place.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 5 November 2022 04:35 (three weeks ago) link

Let’s go

calstars, Saturday, 5 November 2022 04:56 (three weeks ago) link

i've been on mastodon on and off since 2017 (it was mentioned somewhere and i was curious): in 2018 there was a little mini-excursion there among three overlapping social circles i'm in, i forget even why (tho it was partly triggered by ppl that some of us followed being twitter-banned) -- it was a little nine-day wonder and then faded (the accounts in question crept back onto twitter w/new names and thrived, slightly less abrasively)

since then had two instances die under me (both small)

• the first i'd picked totally randomly, it was extremely japanese which made my federated experience soothing (i read no japanese) and its mod one day decided he didn't want to mod any more and kicked everyone off (he gave plenty of warning and moving between instances is p easy)
• the second i'd picked bcz a tiwtter-exile i enjoy following wz pals w/its mod and it had an entertaining shitposty vibe; i then went on mastadon hiatus for a long time and when i returned this second instance had vanished (i think there was beef involved? the tale is probably on reddit somewhere)
• so then i signed up a second time, this time to mastodon.social, so that i'd have some kind of microblogging bolthole when elon musk got round to destroying twitter 4 years later as i knew he always would (mastodon.social is the default instance, large and mainstream, headed by mastodon founder eugen aka gargron, and currently down a lot as it handles many many flustered sign-ups)

— mastodon is larger than two weeks ago but it is still very very small and very curiously shaped: it lacks several features dear to journalists and also to harassers which will be combination aggravation and relief
— twitter's sense of centrality was of course a vasr value but as a practical unchallenged fact it is always going to be wildly contested; as a straight-forward quality it was never long for this world and eventually came apart (which is basic politics: the ineluctable fact of empires is that they die)
— it is still somewhat flimsy (cf the outages plus eugen is just one person and can't move at speed) and also somewhat leaky i believe (my feeling abt strangers reading my DMs is that since they're probably even more annoying than my public posts tweets and toots THEY'RE WELCOME HAHA… but i understand many have actual reasons for minding abt privacy and so on) (like centrality, privacy is an ideal verging on a myth, but it's not a bad myth after all)

(FB is of course much bigger but even b4 u start in on its many other flaws it's also massively pre-siloed -- yes it's very centralised as a corproate entity but users have no sense of or access to that centrality)

er so anyway dubdobdee at mastodon dot social, as long as it can be accessed i will never quit any platform, least of all ilx or indeed twitter

https://media.tenor.com/U5RwBfkG6t8AAAAM/elmo-flames.gif

mark s, Saturday, 5 November 2022 10:40 (three weeks ago) link

in conclusion and tl;dr i arrived somewhere on the internet before ned so i win

mark s, Saturday, 5 November 2022 10:42 (three weeks ago) link

I joined mastodon.lol sever but for the last couple of days the app just says 503 so either the server has busted or Mastodon lol?

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 5 November 2022 11:00 (three weeks ago) link

I will probably delete the account and try again

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 5 November 2022 11:00 (three weeks ago) link

mastodon.social has been up and down ftb large recent influx, i *think* the decentralised servers means that mastodon as a whole chugs on even when there's local outage so yes, maybe try another server aka instance (call it by its name)

mark s, Saturday, 5 November 2022 11:08 (three weeks ago) link

it's *possible* that someone calling their server "lol" did not have a serious purpose to their project

mark s, Saturday, 5 November 2022 11:09 (three weeks ago) link

I only joined because it was called that. Joke is on me.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 5 November 2022 11:14 (three weeks ago) link

When I go on account settings it does "Server upgrades, check back later <3".

Anyway, this looks like a good thread on it

Apparently there is a crossposter you can use.

To mirror my tweets to Mastodon, I use this cross-poster. Others are also available. I have it set to mirror all my Tweets except replies.

If I don't feel a Tweet was RIGHT for mastodon, i just pop over quickly and delete it after posting it here. Simples https://t.co/eTXBJFgczo

— John Bull (@garius) November 5, 2022

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 5 November 2022 11:16 (three weeks ago) link

Once I got through the basics of it it all seems pretty reasonable enough. The mobile app version is quite nicely designed.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 November 2022 14:53 (three weeks ago) link

Useful general thread here (though speaking from a high follower standpoint) -- also notes how you can make Mastodon look like Tweetdeck, which suits me for sure.

Right. As a heavy tweeter/content creator who is now maintaining BOTH a Twitter and Mastodon presence, here is a short guide to what I have set up, how to do it and lessons I've learned, for others.

TLDR: It's been WAY less hassle than I expected thanks to tips from followers /1

— John Bull (@garius) November 5, 2022

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 November 2022 16:04 (three weeks ago) link

Although that may be the same thread featured above! Well, repetition, etc.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 November 2022 16:05 (three weeks ago) link

I'm on the waitlist for mastadon.social, but yeah it would be cool if we could figure out how to get an ILX mastadon server; though, perhaps that would just be redundant?

akm, Saturday, 5 November 2022 16:28 (three weeks ago) link

Not really -- since you can move your accounts between servers as desired, having some sort of ILX server even as a stopgap might not hurt.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 November 2022 16:29 (three weeks ago) link

i meant redundant with ILX itself.

akm, Saturday, 5 November 2022 16:48 (three weeks ago) link

I joined and am hoping to a return to the simpler/more enjoyable days of Tumblr communities.

@sctttn✧✧✧@ms✧✧✧.soc✧✧✧

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 5 November 2022 19:58 (three weeks ago) link

Try it as a URL!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 November 2022 19:59 (three weeks ago) link

Weird formatting there!

https://mstdn.social/@sctttnnnt

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 5 November 2022 19:59 (three weeks ago) link

I don't get it at all, but I am here https://mstdn.social/@akmonday

akm, Saturday, 5 November 2022 20:36 (three weeks ago) link

@lathamgr✧✧✧@ravenat✧✧✧.c✧✧✧

that's right , I ravve

| (Latham Green), Saturday, 5 November 2022 20:57 (three weeks ago) link

what the hell - diamonds??

@lathamgr✧✧✧@ravenat✧✧✧.c✧✧✧

@lathamgr✧✧✧@ravenat✧✧✧.c✧✧✧

| (Latham Green), Saturday, 5 November 2022 20:59 (three weeks ago) link

please lord help

v

| (Latham Green), Saturday, 5 November 2022 20:59 (three weeks ago) link

https://ravenation.club/web/@lathamgreen

| (Latham Green), Saturday, 5 November 2022 20:59 (three weeks ago) link

ilx has disguised emails for like 15 years dude, write it out like i did

at lathamgreen at whichever dot whatever

mark s, Saturday, 5 November 2022 21:01 (three weeks ago) link

great, lathamgreen is now the only person I am following on mastadon. I hope lathamgreen will not be pushing me disinformatioons.

akm, Saturday, 5 November 2022 21:58 (three weeks ago) link

u can say yes to my pending friend request and then follow me if u like :D

or not no pressure

mark s, Saturday, 5 November 2022 22:01 (three weeks ago) link

I didn't get one (if that was directed at me). One thing I don't quite get: on mastadon.social, if I search for @quartzcity or @mrnedrick, I see your profiles aand am able to follow you. but this doesn't seem to be generally the case; for instance, tried to follow Damon K. but he's on a different instance entirely but I can't seem to do that without also having an account on that mastadon server? maybe I'm doing this incorrectly. we'll see how long I stay interested, I give it two days.

akm, Saturday, 5 November 2022 22:09 (three weeks ago) link

tried to find people but doesn't seem to work. looks very unlikely that I'll ever use it anyway, seems like a bit too much of a commitment to have a new social media app. anyway https://mastodon.world/@centuriesofsound

link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 5 November 2022 22:16 (three weeks ago) link

I’m on there - @Jelbu✧✧✧@m✧✧.t✧

It works for like 10 minutes of every hour as far as I can tell

jel--, Saturday, 5 November 2022 22:26 (three weeks ago) link

Jelbugle mas to

jel--, Saturday, 5 November 2022 22:27 (three weeks ago) link

yes sorry, this is me mark s (dubdobdee) talking to you akm (akmonday)

i'm in mastodon social, which may or may not be the same server as mstdn social (probably not the same, which might "explain" the non-connection)

it's telling me follow request is pending approval at the moment -- i know it sometimes takes time to clear (especially at the moment with lots of new ppl joining)

you dfon't need to have an account in more than one server to follow accounts in other servers, but with some inter-server hook-ups it is a bit more intricate (and apparently counter-intuitive, i remember having to puzzle it out when i first joined but can't now recall what the error was that i was making)

(there are actually also some servers which have entirely blocked other servers but that's unlikeley to be an issue for anywhere ppl are currently moving into)

mark s, Saturday, 5 November 2022 22:28 (three weeks ago) link

I find a lot of twitter stuff is behind a CW screen anyway 0

but let me know how that goes and dont you dare block mastodon

Meanwhile

| (Latham Green), Thursday, 17 November 2022 18:52 (one week ago) link

I just have little interest in endless meta posts about either social network and that was a very large portion of my feed

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 17 November 2022 19:33 (one week ago) link

It's starting to burn out some but yeah for a few days there...

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 November 2022 19:39 (one week ago) link

I am hoping people I know will leave Twitter and come to mastodon and that will be my feed

ambrosia

| (Latham Green), Thursday, 17 November 2022 19:59 (one week ago) link

i am loving building a new crew that i follow/follow me on 'don to be honest.

mark e, Thursday, 17 November 2022 20:18 (one week ago) link

yeah, outside of the aforementioned meta posts, it's all been great. I'm mostly following a bunch of modular synth folks.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 17 November 2022 20:27 (one week ago) link

I just saw someone (on twitter) say 'use Tusky' which is a client for Mastodon. It feels like a smoother experience. Anyone else using it?

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 November 2022 09:24 (one week ago) link

Yes it's better than the default app but seems to be no way to admire I mean review just your own toots.

nashwan, Friday, 18 November 2022 09:42 (one week ago) link

Looking into this "discord" business

Okay it looks like Discord is just a big group chat. I hate it

— Mr. Chau (@Srirachachau) November 18, 2022

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 November 2022 10:37 (one week ago) link

Yes it's better than the default app but seems to be no way to admire I mean review just your own toots.

You can. To see your own posts, you have to first tap on your profile photo in the top left-hand corner. That opens up a panel with a list of various things like drafts and favourites. To view your profile and posts you then have to tap on your profile photo in the top left-hand corner of that panel.

dubmill, Friday, 18 November 2022 11:15 (one week ago) link

I can actually click on another profile and see followers and following by clicking on those words some of the time. This is revolutionary.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 November 2022 11:19 (one week ago) link

lol thanks dubmill, that's an...interesting ux choice

nashwan, Friday, 18 November 2022 11:34 (one week ago) link

lol thanks dubmill, that's an...interesting ux choice

nashwan, Friday, 18 November 2022 11:34 (one week ago) link

I keep going back and forth between twittor and mastodon and twittor is like aaaahhh whaaaats haaapening aahhh - and mastodon is like "Hello! what do we have here? this coul dbe my new home? "

https://connecticuthistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/PuritanPioneers.jpg

| (Latham Green), Friday, 18 November 2022 19:00 (one week ago) link

in case wondering/interested

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/ri295h/what_is_federated_timeline/

| (Latham Green), Sunday, 20 November 2022 19:23 (six days ago) link

I've seen a number of complaints (on twitter mainly) about Mastadon not being a safe space for marginalized communities/people, which is something to keep in mind, but that makes it, in a sense a bit more reflective of real life. As I understand it there is no central authority at Mastadon, so if someone is harassing you, or saying things you find offensive, there is no appealing to 'the owners' to deplatform; you can get your server to block them or their instance and that's about it, but there is no guarantee that will happen.

akm, Sunday, 20 November 2022 22:47 (six days ago) link

Saying Mastodon isnt a safe space is a bit like saying Reddit isnt.

Its up to the moderators/managers of that instance to make it safe, isnt it?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 20 November 2022 23:00 (six days ago) link

yes. I think the issue is that many people by default joined mastadon.social because it has the most obvious name and seems to be the biggest instance, and they seem to be pretty hands off w/r/t moderation

akm, Sunday, 20 November 2022 23:01 (six days ago) link

...wait, thogh I get you now, if theyre from elsewhere on Masto not much you can do. I get thats a problem.

Re: Dischord: I just see that as a modern IRC, has no appeal to me (I dont know how I kept up with IRC all the time like I used to in my late 20s)

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 20 November 2022 23:01 (six days ago) link

my only experience with Discord is looking at what my kid is logged into and it makes my eyes bleed and brain shrivel up. no thank you.

akm, Sunday, 20 November 2022 23:06 (six days ago) link

yeah its meant for small groups with specific needs - the kids for eg will use it with their mates while theyre in a session of TeamFortress or whatever so they can yell at each other/swap notes.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 20 November 2022 23:15 (six days ago) link

I used discord for a class I was taking - like the class had a discord server. But the internet archive one seems very chaos

Someone could spin up a mastodon instance for a specific marginalized community and mod the hell out of it I think

I am still suprized to see how many bots i was followin g on Twittr

| (Latham Green), Monday, 21 November 2022 04:15 (five days ago) link

My Twitter follows is in the low 2 digits both out and inbound. I just never really used it.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 21 November 2022 06:10 (five days ago) link

mastodon is a thousand petty fiefdoms ruled by whim rather than profit, squabbling through fractious "federated" alliances -- the true technofeudalism. say what you will about the value form, at least it leads to predictable constraints and tendencies!

— Gavin Mueller (@gavinmuellerphd) November 18, 2022

ufo, Monday, 21 November 2022 09:36 (five days ago) link

lol i was breifly worried abt this academic with "teaching marxist theory" in his bio saying "the true technofeudalism" here -- i mean no -- but then i explored like two lines further and he admits he's just shitposting, as are we all tbf

mark s, Monday, 21 November 2022 11:03 (five days ago) link

Oh yeah he is a v good poster who switches to shitposting quite comfortably.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 November 2022 11:06 (five days ago) link

it's shitposting but it's not exactly wrong either, etc.

ufo, Monday, 21 November 2022 11:24 (five days ago) link

the federated nature of it really seems like a worst-of-both-worlds situation to me, not quite a lot of little independent online communities (and the messageboard is still the superior format for that, really) nor the single central website for everyone about all things, but it's trying to be both at once and isn't good at either as a result

ufo, Monday, 21 November 2022 11:30 (five days ago) link

The challenge for a everyone everywhere platform I guess is: 1) how do you scale so that 'everyone' can be on it and 2) how do you moderate it so that the worst ppl are kicked out.

Mastodon is trying to solve 2), but it probably won't be good enough at 1).

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 November 2022 12:15 (five days ago) link

i don't think it's solving 2) because the politics of who's federated with who and different moderation standards and practices seems to get very messy very quickly

ufo, Monday, 21 November 2022 12:24 (five days ago) link

Agreed.

I think if there were standards and these could be enforced that might be a way of solving 2).

But not at scale.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 November 2022 12:34 (five days ago) link

yes all that we need is a technology and a top-down constitution that solves political messiness, no i am not a neolib crackpot

mark s, Monday, 21 November 2022 12:48 (five days ago) link

People seem to be pushing Hive as an alternative all of a sudden; seems to have a lot of Twitter-like features except you can also add a song to your profile like MySpace (which was my favorite obnoxious feature).

Chris L, Monday, 21 November 2022 12:56 (five days ago) link

Solve like we did and let mod bots operate. 50 strikes and you are out (one week only) xp

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 November 2022 12:57 (five days ago) link

happy I'm not well known like Wesley

"In brief, he's tired of being harassed constantly by random internet people, and the straw that broke the camel's back was getting run out of Mastodon by malicious users reporting his account simply for being there."

https://wilwheaton.net/2018/08/the-world-is-a-terrible-place-right-now-and-thats-largely-because-it-is-what-we-make-it/

| (Latham Green), Monday, 21 November 2022 14:28 (five days ago) link

I did it: @AlfredS✧✧✧@l✧✧.s✧

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 November 2022 14:36 (five days ago) link

l✧✧.s✧ you say?

link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 21 November 2022 15:09 (five days ago) link

It must be true.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 November 2022 15:47 (five days ago) link

Is Mastodon real?

I rely on Twitter for three professional niches: biology, computer science, and numerical analysis. When I write that “I rely on Twitter,” I mean it. Nearly every collaboration of mine in the past three-four years started on Twitter. It’s been extremely nice to have all three (mostly disconnected) communities on one website. I was skeptical about, despite their rehetoric, whether these communities would move. Yet I feel like the entire biology community (or the subset relevant to me) moved to Mastodon this weekend. Today I see that the computer science community is starting to strongly consider moving. The numerical analysis community? Hopeless. They’ll likely move back to Usenet, if anywhere (this isn’t a joke, they continued to rely on Usenet and Listserv until the late 2010s). I don’t know whether Mastodon will be my new “home,” but I do hope I find one.

Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 21 November 2022 16:06 (five days ago) link

It's already feeling very comfortable, I have to say.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 November 2022 16:28 (five days ago) link

mastodon feels like it can serve the academic niches just fine, i think whatever various media outlets/members of the media choose could become the true twitter heir tho and i think the federatedness of mastodon doesnt lend itself to ease of sharing stuff like that, at least not in its current form

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 21 November 2022 16:56 (five days ago) link

Apparently, getting a password reset email has been an impossibility on Mastodon, even prior to the Twitter migration. I'm still logged in on my mobile, but it wouldn't accept my login on desktop, so I was trying to reset due to that. The first time I tried was mid-last week and I haven't received an email from them yet.

The other thing that's been difficult about Mastodon so far is my inability to see who other people are following. For instance, I found someone on Mastodon who I recognized from Twitter and was hoping to poach some of his follows, because there is probably a sizable overlap between the two networks and I thought that it would save me time grabbing all these names again. According to his Mastodon account, he's following 300+ people. But when I click on the list of people he's following, it only shows me 3 people.

peace, man, Monday, 21 November 2022 17:07 (five days ago) link

yeah to me it seems like 'professional niches' is probably the most likely twittery thing to happen

media / pr outlets and celebs / sports / politicians / "good general punditry" probably not so much

ꙮ (map), Monday, 21 November 2022 17:10 (five days ago) link

when I click on the list of people he's following, it only shows me 3 people.

The three people you're seeing will be ones who are on the same server as you. This might not be possible on mobile, but on desktop you have to click through to the account's home page on its origin server, then you get a full list of followers/following from all servers.

In general I am enjoying Mastodon (the instance I am on has upgraded their tech so it runs smoothly now), but there are definitely some not-so-user-friendly elements.

emil.y, Monday, 21 November 2022 17:21 (five days ago) link

I am following you, emil.y, right?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 November 2022 17:23 (five days ago) link

Yep, I'm EK on mastodon.lol - not posting much but hanging out there frequently.

emil.y, Monday, 21 November 2022 17:29 (five days ago) link

and here comes sic on his fiery steed

Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 16:40 (four days ago) link

I’m @0x00b1 on @fediscience.org if people want to follow me! I think Ned is the only person I’ve found so far.

Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 17:01 (four days ago) link

Hi there!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 17:23 (four days ago) link


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