U.S. Politics, November 2022: “I don’t know, you hear the same things I do”

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The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 18:04 (three weeks ago) link

And this month is CRUCIAL!!

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 18:15 (three weeks ago) link

Think I wantcha!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 18:17 (three weeks ago) link

Some reasonably good local news — they caught the guy who shot at and burned down our local Planned Parenthood office. He unfortunately died from a medical issue while in jail on other charges (shooting at a federal building) and hadn't even been charged with the Planned Parenthood crimes yet. 63 years old, was at the Capitol on Jan. 6, member of the Catholic group Church Militant Resistance. White guy, if that needs to be said.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 18:42 (three weeks ago) link

A real loss to the world, sounds like.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 18:44 (three weeks ago) link

He unfortunately died from a medical issue

His head was stuck all the way up his ass?

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 18:47 (three weeks ago) link

I'm guessing it was COVID and his family doesn't want to say so.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 18:51 (three weeks ago) link

BREAKING: Supreme Court *rejects* Lindsey Graham’s request in the 2020 election-fraud case in Georgia. He must testify about Trump’s attempt to thwart Biden’s win.

— Steven Mazie (@stevenmazie) November 1, 2022

bible fumes (stevie), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 18:58 (three weeks ago) link

Too bad, so sad for the Paper Tiger of the Senate.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 19:01 (three weeks ago) link

Huckleberry Lawyerup

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 19:05 (three weeks ago) link

I can't help but read the stories about Bolsonaro's supporters blocking roads as he refuses to concede and imagining this is just a preview of 2024 here.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 19:25 (three weeks ago) link

Jan 6 types will def be taking notes about Brazil's election aftermath.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 19:31 (three weeks ago) link

he is expected to concede shortly

You can't really say they're hiding it https://t.co/w9BhdYix8J via @patrickdmarley pic.twitter.com/HgpIQ0K6cB

— Astead (@AsteadWesley) November 1, 2022

Eric H., Tuesday, 1 November 2022 19:41 (three weeks ago) link

Huckleberry Lawyerup

I am hearing this to the tune of "temporary layoffs" from the Good Times theme

probably just me tho

blissfully unawarewolf (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 19:47 (three weeks ago) link

xxpost - we remember how lame/lackluster our trucker convoy was compared to the Canadians awhile back

Too many alternate routes in the U.S.

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 19:54 (three weeks ago) link

Dr. Oz, spending $27 million of his fortune on TV ads: https://t.co/mz3HbP4yr0 pic.twitter.com/a5bw7NBBFw

— John Fetterman (@JohnFetterman) November 1, 2022

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 21:39 (three weeks ago) link

What a loathsome toad.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 21:54 (three weeks ago) link

Patriotism - Values - Integrity - Eats Occasional Vegetables

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 22:06 (three weeks ago) link

Oh look it's Gavin Newsom in Biden's rear-view.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom is campaigning for embattled Democrats in an effort to bail out a party he says is being "destroyed on messaging.” He spoke exclusively with @MajorCBS addressing questions about whether his political ambitions extend beyond the Golden State. pic.twitter.com/CzVdOhz7kX

— CBS Evening News (@CBSEveningNews) November 1, 2022

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 02:06 (three weeks ago) link

And speaking of Biden, he's giving a speech tonight about democracy! This will definitely ensure democracy forever and ever, as the impassioned demos rises up as one in the wake of our leader's inspiring words.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 14:13 (three weeks ago) link

If he's indeed the last democratically-elected president of the U.S., it'd kind of look weird for him not to give a speech about the importance of democracy

Eric H., Wednesday, 2 November 2022 14:26 (three weeks ago) link

I'm all for a speech, I just lol at the mentality that thinks Joe Biden giving a speech is an answer to anything.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 14:32 (three weeks ago) link

He could summon Merrick Garland to the Oval Office and punch him in the face.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 14:37 (three weeks ago) link

Newsom notably says in that interview that he's not running for President in 2024 and in fact isn't interested in the role.

akm, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 14:51 (three weeks ago) link

I'm all for a speech, I just lol at the mentality that thinks Joe Biden giving a speech is an answer to anything

Given that they refuse to do anything else, they pretty much just have signaling and symbology left. Plenty of Admin types still seem to be the kind of folks who think a rousing speech is all that’s necessary to close the deal

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 14:54 (three weeks ago) link

Newsom notably says in that interview that he's not running for President in 2024 and in fact isn't interested in the role.

If we assume the second isn't true (which I do) then there's no reason to think the first is true either. But obviously he's not going to declare unless/until Biden clears the way. Not that I think a Newsom run is a great idea or anything. Being firmly of the belief as I am that Biden should under no circumstances seek reelection, I'm still at a loss as to who should run.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 15:54 (three weeks ago) link

lol

New: Monmouth U poll finds very little movement in PASen race post debate.
Fetterman: 48% "definitely" or "probably" support (same as early Oct)
Oz: 44% support (up 1 - though with more "definites" now)

4.5% MOE
All interviews done post debatehttps://t.co/BizaBpq8yf

— Jonathan Tamari (@JonathanTamari) November 2, 2022

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 15:59 (three weeks ago) link

The most misleading thing about that tweet is the Photoshopped graphic that makes Oz (6'1") and Fetterman (6'8") look like they're the same height.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 16:10 (three weeks ago) link

same moral height if you were

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 16:10 (three weeks ago) link

Oz looking more like an aging muppet

stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 16:15 (three weeks ago) link

I don't think Newsom can win the presidency, he'd have to be running against some extremely milquetoast republican, which is not the sort of person the GOP will ever nominate again. I more or less like Newsom, but the dude has a ton of negatives and has not ever been very good at optics.

akm, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 16:18 (three weeks ago) link

Plus, Biden ain't budging unless he croaks.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 16:20 (three weeks ago) link

the Democratic candidate for 2024 needs to be a wrestler. Biden will be primaried. the wrestler needs to be a new up and comer who arrives on the scene this year or early next.

and the wrestler will in exchange for his exposure promise to run on a progressive platform and also tape campaign ads in the middle of fights

because honestly I don't see how else we win, everything is backwards.

stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 16:21 (three weeks ago) link

Newsom notably says in that interview that he's not running for President in 2024

politicians lie about their presidential intentions almost universally.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 16:25 (three weeks ago) link

It's not completely up to Biden. Especially depending on the midterms, if they look as bad as they're likely to, he is vulnerable to a serious challenge. He's very primary-able already. But it would take somebody sufficiently threatening probably to make him seriously consider not running.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 16:33 (three weeks ago) link

If the GOP does take the House, the rationale is even stronger for him to step down, because he would most likely be facing impeachment timed for early 2024. If the GOP has to try to impeach him AND fight off a different Democratic candidate for president, it at least opens up a second front.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 16:36 (three weeks ago) link

Trump and Clinton proved impeachment is no impediment, though.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 16:45 (three weeks ago) link

I dunno, Trump lost. Not because of the impeachment but I don't think it helped him. But it's more the divided time and energy between campaigning and defending. Plus also the impetus for the GOP to seriously pursue impeachment goes way up if they get to impeach the guy they're also campaigning against, it makes it seamless.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 17:21 (three weeks ago) link

yeah, that's highly debatable for both Trump and Clinton. Let's not forget how much Clinton was seen as a liability in the 2000 election.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 18:20 (three weeks ago) link

Let's not forget how much Clinton was seen painted as a liability by the press in the 2000 election.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 18:22 (three weeks ago) link

Al Gore absolutely treated Clinton like a liability in his campaign.

otoh, what exactly would Biden be impeached for? I'm not sure that republicans can pull it off without it looking like an utter sham. Even the Clinton impeachment had some questionable acts that it could be built around.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 18:22 (three weeks ago) link

hunter's laptop

comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 18:26 (three weeks ago) link

presumably that would be the focus, but so far the actual evidence against Hunter is extremely thin, and none of it links back to Joe

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 18:30 (three weeks ago) link

Here's the angle:

Is a 25th Amendment removal in Joe Biden’s future?
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3714038-is-a-25th-amendment-removal-in-joe-bidens-future/

(it's an op-ed)

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 18:35 (three weeks ago) link

Impeached for giving speeches about democracy

You can impeach a ham sandwich with the coming GOP majority. Most likely things are mental acuity, the Afghan withdrawal or something to do with Hunter. Or maybe the Russians will helpfully turn over some damning documents, who knows. Lots of things can go wrong between January and October of next year. Maybe they'll impeach him just for failure to comply with their blizzard of investigations.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 18:52 (three weeks ago) link

Oh, the authoritarian vaccine mandates too.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 18:54 (three weeks ago) link

So will this fucker ever be forced to resign? Sorry for linking to politio.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/02/trump-lawyers-saw-justice-thomas-as-only-chance-to-stop-2020-election-certification-00064592

ian, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 19:05 (three weeks ago) link

I know, he has a weird boxy build.

https://i.imgur.com/JSBKbCo.jpg

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 November 2022 16:13 (five days ago) link

If John Ritter, David Duchovny, and Jason Bateman had a baby...

ooh I wanna take ya to Topeka (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 21 November 2022 16:24 (five days ago) link

looking at pictures of dean with gore and clinton, then looking at pictures of them with obama, GWB, etc, I'd say 5-10 or 5-11 seems reasonable for dean

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 21 November 2022 16:28 (five days ago) link

I voted for Dean in the primary even after he'd been mathematically eliminated, partly because I thought the media reaction to his yelp was one of the weirdest cases of political journalism groupthink I've ever seen.

it's pretty quaint, post-trump and all the crazy shit that happens on a daily basis now, to think of a time when THAT was something that could sink your career

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 21 November 2022 16:40 (five days ago) link

yeah, didn't get it at the time, LOL at it now

Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Monday, 21 November 2022 16:41 (five days ago) link

Anyway I thought Dean was fucked cos of the fact he was unapologetically pro choice and also that stupid “scream” video.

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Monday, 21 November 2022 16:44 (five days ago) link

I voted for Dean in the primary even after he'd been mathematically eliminated, partly because I thought the media reaction to his yelp was one of the weirdest cases of political journalism groupthink I've ever seen.


i know, #onethread, but if Twitter existed then there would have been some heartening pushback on the punditocracy and maybe Dean would have overcome it.

Lord Pickles (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 21 November 2022 17:50 (five days ago) link

Anyway I thought Dean was fucked cos of the fact he was unapologetically pro choice and also that stupid “scream” video.

― after several days on “the milk,” (gyac),

now I imagine Dean as Janet Jackson in the "Scream" video.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 November 2022 17:58 (five days ago) link

I'd take Bernie over 40 year-old Peter Buttigieg.

― curmudgeon, Monday, November 21, 2022

regardless of who we’re comparing him to, Bernie’s time has expired! he should retire

Dan S, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 01:23 (four days ago) link

I shouldn't have said 'retire', I just think that his time is over as a presidential candidate

Dan S, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 01:42 (four days ago) link

Bernie should steal Mayo Pete’s life energy and serve another 40 years

mayo has a dearth of life energy is what i'm tryna say here

i'm right back on my shit (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 03:39 (four days ago) link

Make Pete a blood boy for the geriatric Dems

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 03:49 (four days ago) link

x-post -I'd take Bernie over 40 year-old Peter Buttigieg.

― curmudgeon, Monday, November 21, 2022

regardless of who we’re comparing him to, Bernie’s time has expired! he should retire

Ideally a younger liberal or progressive would be best, but Pete's just a centrist corporate go-getter

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 13:51 (four days ago) link

A new benchmark for bothsidesing. If you click through, what she's referring to is the Biden WH being misleading about allowing Vogue to set up a private photo shoot ahead of the White House wedding.

A low point for the Washington Post. https://t.co/THHuqKRhzK

— Jay Rosen (@jayrosen_nyu) November 22, 2022

Ashley Parker of course got her start as Maureen Dowd's researcher. Apples, trees, etc.

wait maureen dowd has researchers

symsymsym, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 17:59 (four days ago) link

I know we’ve all moved on but Dean’s campaign was artificially inflated by the media thinking internet support was more powerful in 2004 than it actually was; he did the scream as part of a speech where he was trying to rally his supporters after coming in third at the Iowa Caucus as compared to what his campaign and the pundits were expecting. The scream didn’t make him lose, he was already losing

castanuts (DJP), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 18:05 (four days ago) link

I think that's true and it was going to be Kerry anyway. But the coverage of the scream was really something else.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-trump-tax-returns-house-ways-and-means-committee-democrats/

The Supreme Court on Tuesday declined to block the Treasury Department from turning over several years of former President Donald Trump's tax returns to the House Ways and Means Committee, clearing the way for Democrats to obtain the records weeks before Republicans take control of the House in January.

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 19:47 (four days ago) link

lol so ... a few more years?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 19:48 (four days ago) link

Boy those IRS auditors are gonna by annoyed by this interruption

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 20:00 (four days ago) link

Honestly an insane amount of legal Ls Trump is getting today across the board.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 20:07 (four days ago) link

Everyone who applied and was eligible for a personal letter saying they were approved but payment was blocked by the courts. And now this. Praxis. Finally starting to feel like they get it.

It's sort of wild to watch a Democratic leader finally acknowledge the industry of conservative judges, AGs, and lawyers dedicated to neutralizing them, and respond to that with executive power. And then to realize that that person is Joe Brandon https://t.co/M4Zuu5529l

— Paul Blest (@pblest) November 22, 2022

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 21:48 (four days ago) link

👍

ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 21:54 (four days ago) link

ashley parker is a whiny fucking baby

akm, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 21:54 (four days ago) link

If Warnock wins the Senate can subpoena the tax records that the new House will bury, right? Something about the split and committees hamstrung them?

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 21:55 (four days ago) link

biden should have extended the pause to June 30, 3023

akm, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 21:55 (four days ago) link

"The Supreme Court on Tuesday declined to block the Treasury Department from turning over several years of former President Donald Trump's tax returns to the House Ways and Means Committee"

I'm kind of picturing the room with Ned Beatty from Network and the message being "tell the Justices to take him down, he is of no use to us now".

earlnash, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 22:24 (four days ago) link

Rep. Chip Roy on members of the military celebrating Pride month: "We need to refocus our military on what it's supposed to do, which is blow things up and kill people." pic.twitter.com/sLXM6TuwxA

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) November 23, 2022

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 18:16 (three days ago) link

A stopped clock

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 18:18 (three days ago) link

The military seems pretty focused on those things already.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 19:02 (three days ago) link

They're really best in class at it.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 19:03 (three days ago) link

A new low for Pompeo:

In an interview with Semafor this week, Pompeo said: “I get asked, ‘Who’s the most dangerous person in the world? Is it Chairman Kim, is it Xi Jinping?’ The most dangerous person in the world is Randi Weingarten. It’s not a close call. If you ask, ‘Who’s the most likely to take this republic down?’ It would be the teachers’ unions, and the filth that they’re teaching our kids, and the fact that they don’t know math and reading or writing.”

God he's a fucking asshole

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 20:49 (three days ago) link

He somehow thinks he's got a shot at the 2024 nomination. But, like so many in the field, he's just an asshole without Trump's power to mobilize the mouth-breathing masses.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 20:54 (three days ago) link

yeah, I think he's just desperate to get noticed, so there will probably be more hateful drivel - he's just so utterly without charm, the dickhead thing is all he's got

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 20:57 (three days ago) link

Mrs. Gomez and her girlfriend are a bigger threat than the China guy.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 20:58 (three days ago) link

Pompeo is like Chris Christie without his endearing comedic qualities.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 22:07 (three days ago) link

Peace out, Sarah Palin

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/23/alaska-election-results-00070808🕸


Two queens died this year 😢

Lord Pickles (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 24 November 2022 15:16 (two days ago) link

yaaassss

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 November 2022 15:31 (two days ago) link

Murkowski first joined the Senate in 2002, when she was appointed by her father, then-Gov. Frank Murkowski, to fill a vacant seat. This wasn’t the first time she’s faced opposition from conservativates: In her 2010 reelection bid, Murkowski was defeated by a right-wing primary challenger, Joe Miller, but came back to beat Miller in the general election as a write-in candidate.

Low population state and all, but still that's kind of incredible

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 24 November 2022 15:34 (two days ago) link

And Peltola will likely be Alaska's next Democratic senator. Well played.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 November 2022 15:37 (two days ago) link

lmao pic.twitter.com/1IMAakt3mQ

— hannah gais (@hannahgais) November 26, 2022

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 26 November 2022 03:48 (fifteen hours ago) link

Whoever wrote that could have tried to make it sound like him.

Lord Pickles (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 26 November 2022 17:05 (two hours ago) link

The "vote for TRUMP" part kind of sounds like him.

jmm, Saturday, 26 November 2022 17:30 (two hours ago) link

Narrator: He definitely knew Nick Fuentes.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 26 November 2022 19:24 (eleven minutes ago) link


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