THE PERIPHERAL - our stub contemplates the Jonathan Nolan/Lisa Joy show based on the book by William Gibson

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get all quantum entangled or whatever in this thread

mh, Saturday, 29 October 2022 15:48 (four weeks ago) link

aren’t those friends of Chloe Grace Moretz’s brother going to get bored of just hanging around the campfire with their guns cocked all day and night, waiting for something to happen?

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 29 October 2022 15:58 (four weeks ago) link

watched first episode, exactly the vibe I want from a Gibson adaptation

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 29 October 2022 16:09 (four weeks ago) link

xp wait until you find out how deployed troops spend most of their time! also, they’re kind of rich now

mh, Saturday, 29 October 2022 16:45 (four weeks ago) link

that eye-shit in ep 1 was full skeleton-leaving-my body NOPE

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 29 October 2022 17:53 (four weeks ago) link

Had to look away from that and there have been a bunch of things I've watched lately (Mr. Robot, Devs) with finger torture/breakage I couldn't watch. Getting soft in my old age.

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 29 October 2022 17:59 (four weeks ago) link

watched the first three episodes, some very dumb moments (these badass mercenaries are going to leave a coffee cup on top of their invisible car and leave the invisible car parked on a road? really?) but the visual world building is 100% and it's just fun to watch.

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 29 October 2022 20:03 (four weeks ago) link

also like the idea that in the future eye surgery involves getting a good grip on the eyeball and using it to yank the optic nerve out, feels like that might cause some issues with the new eye

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 29 October 2022 20:06 (four weeks ago) link

that was the peripheral getting the stolen eye implanted and it’s basically a remote control (apparently partly biological) robot

mh, Saturday, 29 October 2022 20:21 (four weeks ago) link

they still removed the eye from a human being... I'm no doctor but removing someone's kidney with an ice cream scoop and then jamming into an android's abdomen probably wouldn't result in a functioning kidney?

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 29 October 2022 20:25 (four weeks ago) link

they’ve got nanobots

mh, Saturday, 29 October 2022 20:42 (four weeks ago) link

so use the nanobots to open the lock

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 29 October 2022 21:41 (four weeks ago) link

it’s called plot ffs

in other news

If this had occurred to me as another element of the jackpot, I ultimately wouldn’t have used it. 🙄https://t.co/L0G2vBrhF7

— William Gibson (@GreatDismal) October 30, 2022

mh, Sunday, 30 October 2022 02:35 (three weeks ago) link

Pete Townshend voice: let nanobots to open the lock / to your heart

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 30 October 2022 02:40 (three weeks ago) link

I mean, you could argue why it’s even necessary to have a real eyeball when scanning technology, etc would let you get there, but I’d buy that extreme transplant into a bio-surrogate tech is slightly ahead of detecting real eye in surrogate host detection, in the cat and mouse game of fraud detection but overall it’s a dumb plot tangent to nitpick

I’ve been thinking about the omission of progressions that’s in the novel, where the initial telepresence is in what seems like a more traditional hovering drone, makes sense. Viewers seeing a completely immersive sequence in what is basically a modern DJI quadcopter… ok? We’re probably there, or close enough that it’s no discernibly different on screen. Near-future fic gone boring, as WG keeps admitting

mh, Sunday, 30 October 2022 03:03 (three weeks ago) link

I just watched the first two episodes. then watched an old ep of Community, which had this RV-based adventure: "Space Elder Abed, can you reach backward with your mind and save our species?"

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/community-sitcom/images/9/98/6x10_Abed_and_Frankie.jpg

Is it going to be about a giant hand?

kinder, Monday, 31 October 2022 22:47 (three weeks ago) link

I’ve been thinking about the omission of progressions that’s in the novel, where the initial telepresence is in what seems like a more traditional hovering drone

So in ep 2 or 3 someone comments about how Aelita was kind of their in? The equivalent of the drone you mention I guess? Thats the bit I'm fuzzy on - we're shown this world via the VR headset, so how did Burton end up with it, was Aelita pretending to be the south american VR company guys?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 02:07 (three weeks ago) link

yeah

they’ve mentioned their meddling in passing, but people in the future (not ours) have a fair amount of knowledge from surviving documentation, but every time they change something the stub diverts further from their possible future. so they either create a dummy company or send someone a winning lottery number or whatever when they want to interact with the Flynnes of the world

they’re kind of slow-burning the plot as far as explaining who the villains are in the London timeframe and why they’re bad but I’m sure we’ll get there

mh, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 02:45 (three weeks ago) link

lol at how Flynn has heard the name Aelita maybe twice verbally but somehow knows how to spell it when doing her Altavista searches

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 19:51 (three weeks ago) link

sorry “Flynne”

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 19:52 (three weeks ago) link

Were the southern drawls a plot point in the Gibson book? It comes across as both ornamental but also non-negotiably mandatory in the show.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 03:01 (three weeks ago) link

Gibson required at least 50% of the cast should sound like him so yeah

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 03:31 (three weeks ago) link

Big auteurist Protazanov/silent Soviet film fan community in North Carolina irrc.

Piedie Gimbel, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 15:59 (three weeks ago) link

Is this VR companion to the old bad guy supposed to look AI generated? Cause she sure as hell does.

https://imgur.com/a/BSXwZm6

calstars, Friday, 4 November 2022 01:20 (three weeks ago) link

https://imgur.com/a/BSXwZm6

calstars, Friday, 4 November 2022 01:20 (three weeks ago) link

loved the juxtaposition of the sleeping mask with the VR googles. sleep is the original VR

calstars, Friday, 4 November 2022 01:26 (three weeks ago) link

the local business/drug kingpin’s VR thing is supposed to look kind of rudimentary and generated. his avatar and everything in there looked the same, kind of a universal blur filter

mh, Friday, 4 November 2022 02:25 (three weeks ago) link

yep, it's great. I love the look of this.

kinder, Saturday, 5 November 2022 09:20 (three weeks ago) link

I mentioned that scene looking intentionally painterly/weird too but it mustve been on the other thread.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 6 November 2022 01:34 (two weeks ago) link

I was a little disappointed by the "reveal" of the components of the Jackpot. It was better as a phantom terror than when they literally broke it down into parts. Especially when one of the elements was as bland as nuclear terrorism. I mean, how unimaginative.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 6 November 2022 01:54 (two weeks ago) link

Book handled it better... just kinda "was everything, not one thing"

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:12 (two weeks ago) link

oh fuck having put the book down, cos i got bored, i realise i never got to the jackpot reveal. dammit. maybe i’ll push thru after all.

Fizzles, Sunday, 6 November 2022 16:04 (two weeks ago) link

I liked the way this episode didn't force the plot forward, just people doing stuff, bit of a reveal or two. Also appreciated how they didn't even attempt to explain the intertemporal hacker battle (who was that guy anyway?).

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Sunday, 6 November 2022 18:46 (two weeks ago) link

Black female bad guy bee assassination scene felt REAL dumb

calstars, Sunday, 6 November 2022 19:17 (two weeks ago) link

Lol, I found it pretty entertaining as OTT diabolical bad guy stuff

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 6 November 2022 21:50 (two weeks ago) link

I kind of wish they’d left the Jackpot thing fuzzier, too. Throwing specific events in really isn’t necessary right now, I’d think, after the last few years demonstrating how emergent events can go sideways

mh, Sunday, 6 November 2022 22:18 (two weeks ago) link

execution by bee scene was quite effective in telling you exactly who this character is

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Sunday, 6 November 2022 23:38 (two weeks ago) link

there are two kinds of people in the world

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Sunday, 6 November 2022 23:38 (two weeks ago) link

those who execute people with bees and those who are executed by bees

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 6 November 2022 23:50 (two weeks ago) link

what was the point of flynne being present for the eye thing? couldn’t aelita say “hey, this is going to be pretty intense, log off for a few hours”?

scanner darkly, Monday, 7 November 2022 01:42 (two weeks ago) link

there are two kinds of people in the world

― TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Sunday, November 6, 2022 6:38 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

those who execute people with bees and those who are executed by bees

― Tracer Hand

Type A personalities

And

Type Bee personalities

blissfully unawarewolf (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 7 November 2022 02:15 (two weeks ago) link

I liked the way this episode didn't force the plot forward, just people doing stuff, bit of a reveal or two. Also appreciated how they didn't even attempt to explain the intertemporal hacker battle (who was that guy anyway?).

― TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Sunday, 6 November 2022 18:46 (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink/

This week kind of the same, but replace unexplained hacker battle with unexplained martial arts skills (maybe peripherals come with preinstalled fighting software?)

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Saturday, 12 November 2022 23:10 (two weeks ago) link

Presumably she’s spent years playing VR-ish martial arts fighting games and was able to adapt that to peripheral-existence. A good fight scene - as was the bridge scene.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 12 November 2022 23:46 (two weeks ago) link

This show is dumb as fuck

calstars, Sunday, 13 November 2022 00:11 (one week ago) link

yeah it started out on a good note but this last episode is just dumb as shit, why are they wasting half the episode on this obnoxious hit man bullshit it's trash

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Sunday, 13 November 2022 05:15 (one week ago) link

This sounds intriguing but I can’t trust it with my time after Westworld

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 13 November 2022 10:53 (one week ago) link

It's simultaneously more approachable than Westworld or Expanse, whilst having even more unnecessarily convoluted lore behind it than those productions.

Feels more warmly human, I guess. Of these shows I think I like Peripheral better, if only because it has some likable people in it. I guess I am a softy.

One can root for Flynne, Wilf, or Burton in a way you never quite could for Dolores, Bernard, or Maeve.

Probably the show will find a way to kick me in the emotional nads, now that I have said that. It's 2022; I should know by now that we don't get heartwarming entertainment anymore.

iliac crestfallen (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 13 November 2022 11:29 (one week ago) link

Expanse had nothing but likable people!

dan selzer, Sunday, 13 November 2022 14:27 (one week ago) link

Purple bass face

calstars, Sunday, 13 November 2022 14:32 (one week ago) link

So many of the changes from the novel—Cherise, Wilf as a fixer, Pickett as a Stephen King baddie rather than a Justified one—seem primarily to re-center this as an action thriller. But it’s not as though Gibson’s work is lacking in action! It just tends to be more low-key, dismissed in a few sentences. I began the novel after the second episode and it’s really made me think less of the show, though I still do like elements. I feel as though I know exactly where this is going, though: peripheral gun-fu fights that culminate in Flynne et al preventing the nuke/jackpot in their stub in traditional action movie style.

blatherskite, Sunday, 13 November 2022 19:19 (one week ago) link

Expanse had nothing but likable people!

― dan selzer, Sunday, November 13, 2022 8:27 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Marco had a certain charisma but was definitely not likable imo

mh, Monday, 14 November 2022 22:34 (one week ago) link

oh yeah, I meant the good guys.

dan selzer, Monday, 14 November 2022 22:48 (one week ago) link

All these future weirdos are great, although they kind of make me hate Wilf because his whole job seems to be hanging around looking emo while everyone else does crazy future shit. It was kind of hilarious how he just kind of hung back and watched while Flynne was having a massive matrix kung fu session with the two chop shop people.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 19 November 2022 18:53 (one week ago) link

I would have liked the future butchers run simulations of the fight which only they can see and then give up immediately based on the projected outcome while Flynn is cycling in a mortal kombat stance waiting for something to happen while saying, "whut's goin oannn y'alll? awr y'aalll gunna fahhyiiit ur whuuuut?"

Philip Nunez, Saturday, 19 November 2022 19:57 (one week ago) link

I think Wilf hung back because if he gets stabbed he actually dies, Flynne just gets whomped back into the present and they have to make a new future peripheral for her

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 19 November 2022 20:04 (one week ago) link

I mean, it makes sense, but it's also just unusual how passive his character is throughout most of the show, I sense there's going to be a big reveal about him and some secret powers.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 19 November 2022 20:21 (one week ago) link

Dude is passive, yes, but he remains an emotional center. I like his soulful puppy-dog eyes and the way his shirt and tie are the same fabric.

There are a lot of unpleasant things about the show but Wilf is not one of them.

I do not want to see him do a heel turn.

ooh I wanna take ya to Topeka (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 19 November 2022 20:37 (one week ago) link

All these future weirdos are great, although they kind of make me hate Wilf because his whole job seems to be hanging around looking emo while everyone else does crazy future shit. It was kind of hilarious how he just kind of hung back and watched while Flynne was having a massive matrix kung fu session with the two chop shop people.

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, November 19, 2022 12:53 PM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Read the books. In Pheripheral he is this, in Agency you can feel him starting to evolve. We’ll see about book 3

(I haven’t seen any of this show and am not sure I need to)

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 20 November 2022 02:04 (six days ago) link

this is about the show where Wilf is kind of an Alelita simp and is now a Flynne simp lol

mh, Sunday, 20 November 2022 02:10 (six days ago) link

I binged the first four episodes and kinda had a handle on what was happening in this show. But then I left two weeks go by before I watched eps 5 & 6 and apparently I retained nothing from the initiate binge because I have no idea what is happening in this show.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Sunday, 20 November 2022 14:54 (six days ago) link

I feel what makes this show bad but digestibly bad vs the book which is presumably good (I couldn't make it past a few chapters) but indigestibly good is the complicated plot and boring protagonists are only there as a backdrop for other characters to do some increasingly hammy mustache-twirling. This last episode really amped it up in that department!

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 20 November 2022 15:52 (six days ago) link

The florid dialoue between Lowbeer and her assistant and then Lowbeer and Zublov, was a wee bit overdone, like some kind of hammy verbal ballet. I'm enjoying this show all that said, if a little confused at times by the plot (I like they dont handhold the audience though I guess?).

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 09:50 (four days ago) link

And that whole "eat my damn roast beef it is delicious and you will like it" was stupid.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 09:52 (four days ago) link

the roast beef is people

(I was thinking this but I do not believe it was actually people)

mh, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 16:15 (four days ago) link

It was hot, the night we burned roast beef till it was the color of television…

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 18:49 (four days ago) link

i also left it too long to watch the last ep or two and can't remember what a koid or neoprim or whatever else named people are

kinder, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 21:17 (three days ago) link

Polts and kleps and sims, oh my!

ooh I wanna take ya to Topeka (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 22:04 (three days ago) link

If I was watching correctly they barely explained neoprims and koids not at all.

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Thursday, 24 November 2022 01:22 (two days ago) link

Not yet, no. Probably this week.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 24 November 2022 01:42 (two days ago) link

Neoprims seems to be like... luddites? Am I right?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 24 November 2022 01:52 (two days ago) link

The book is slow to kick off because Gibson does that for like 150 pages, introduces terms and names and gives you no explanation at all for any of them

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Friday, 25 November 2022 05:27 (yesterday) link

I’m going to drop this show. Another gratuitous action sequence, more time spent on dull characters like Tommy and the assassin. Despite being the protagonist, Flynne doesn’t get to do much. And so many plot conveniences: why didn’t their monitoring drones catch the assassin waiting out? Why have a single dude escort the mom after last week’s attack? A rural clinic in drug country without security? Hell, a drug lord didn’t have at least one goon in the house with the prisoner and his wife?

I recall reading press before the show that Gibson had a lot of support for the adaptation, loved it, etc., but you gotta figure that’s just "getting behind the product”; I can’t imagine him watching this and thinking, “Yes, this gets to the essence of my novel." I guess even Stephen King has to wait a few years before saying, "this sucked" re: adaptations.

blatherskite, Friday, 25 November 2022 20:15 (yesterday) link

The beat-em-up sim was utterly pointless but idk otherwise it was the same show it's been: inscrutable characters who know more than we do, blank slates who know less than we do, a ~~mystery~~, big statues.

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Saturday, 26 November 2022 00:24 (nineteen hours ago) link

I can’t even believe people made it to ep whatever— after the first three, we stopped watching. Utterly stupid, and we like stupid tv shows in this house.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Saturday, 26 November 2022 13:28 (six hours ago) link

Yeah I think I made it to ep 3

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 26 November 2022 13:29 (six hours ago) link

I'm definitely not loving it. It is making me want to re-read the book, though, from a "I remember liking this...maybe I should re-check my conclusions" perspective.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 26 November 2022 14:33 (five hours ago) link

would be up for a list of stupid tv recommendations from tables (or anyone else)

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Saturday, 26 November 2022 16:21 (four hours ago) link

would be up for a list of stupid tv recommendations from tables (or anyone else)

Ever watched Banshee? It's streaming through HBO Max now. (CW: a whole fuckin' lot of blood. Also some incest.)

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 26 November 2022 16:28 (three hours ago) link

another HBO Max show we love that is very stupid is Wellington Paranormal, which is about two idiot cops investigating paranormal events in New Zealand. horrible dad jokes and that kind of thing.

as i’ve gotten older, i’ve discovered that the 25 minute sitcom is one if my preferred viewing lengths/ experiences. funny enough, one of my other favorites is the long, drawn-out, molasses pacing of many art films. feathers or stones, i guess.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Saturday, 26 November 2022 17:06 (three hours ago) link

wellington paranormal is the best!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 26 November 2022 17:42 (two hours ago) link


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