Why is everyone so mean?? US Politics: September 2022

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What makes people grudgeful?

frogbs, Thursday, 1 September 2022 04:21 (four weeks ago) link

I mean, it goes without saying, but all this shit makes Watergate look like a parking ticket

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 1 September 2022 04:27 (four weeks ago) link

From that vile trash rag, The Hill: Some Republicans drift from Trump as Democrats warm up to Biden

You can talk shit about Biden all day long, but politically, he's no so un-savvy

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 1 September 2022 04:29 (four weeks ago) link

sorry for using the same curse word in back-to-back posts

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 1 September 2022 04:30 (four weeks ago) link

Beating Palin, Mary Peltola is first Native Alaskan sent by the state to Congress and rare Democrat to win a special election there https://t.co/REvnJwvNXD

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) September 1, 2022

Mary Peltola will have to defend the seat in two months, but what a fucking relief that Sarah Palin has been dismissed.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 1 September 2022 04:42 (four weeks ago) link

What makes people grudgeful?

The Fall.

borrowed Ostalgia for the unremembered 80s (MoominTrollin), Thursday, 1 September 2022 05:32 (four weeks ago) link

Trump - This Nation’s Saving Grace

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 1 September 2022 05:35 (four weeks ago) link

I like the direction this thread is taking already. Fall references, Palin defeated, dare I hope for more?

sleeve, Thursday, 1 September 2022 05:44 (four weeks ago) link

What causes a man to start fires?

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 1 September 2022 11:39 (four weeks ago) link

This is pretty fucked up, but hopefully overcomes the GOP via the courts

yesterday the MI Board of State Canvassers deadlocked (along partisan lines) on whether an abortion rights amendment to the state constitution could be included on the Nov ballot.

this decision is a slap in the face to democracy & disenfranchises almost a million Michiganders 🧵

— Leah Litman (@LeahLitman) September 1, 2022

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 September 2022 13:15 (four weeks ago) link

someday i'll be
living in a big ol city

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 September 2022 14:05 (four weeks ago) link

What makes people grudgeful?

― frogbs, Thursday, September 1, 2022 12:21 AM (nine hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

"You, alright?! I learned it by watching you!"

Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Thursday, 1 September 2022 14:11 (four weeks ago) link

check the guy's track record

You can't spell Fearless without Earle (President Keyes), Thursday, 1 September 2022 14:15 (four weeks ago) link

Our Big new Prinz (of Orange)

sweating like Cathy *aaaack* (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 1 September 2022 14:37 (four weeks ago) link

Be great if this story didn't just disappear and something actually happened about it
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2022/09/01/ginni-thomas-wisconsin-bernier-tauchen/

politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Thursday, 1 September 2022 15:26 (four weeks ago) link

Today, President Biden will warn of the threat to democracy from “MAGA Republicans” and election deniers in a prime-time address outside Philadelphia’s Independence Hall. Biden’s speech will frame the debate for the midterm elections as Democrats fight to hold on to their majorities in Congress.

Biden will focus on a movement that doesn’t recognize free and fair elections and increasingly talks about violence in response to actions they don’t like, a White House official said in a preview of the speech set to begin at 8 p.m. Former president Donald Trump and his allies have repeatedly claimed the 2020 election was rigged.

i feel very conflicted about this, lol

and man, out of all the "difficult" speeches to make, and Joe Biden is the one who has to do it. sad lol for america

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 September 2022 16:34 (four weeks ago) link

i am curious if the fascism meter is going to stay at "semi-" or increase to "practically-"

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 September 2022 16:35 (four weeks ago) link

Read that Alito article, sailor.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 September 2022 16:41 (four weeks ago) link

I'm just glad to see that he's apparently dispensed with all the reaching across the aisle bipartisanship bullshit that 99.9999% of Republicans want no part of.

Beautiful Bean Footage Fetishist (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 September 2022 16:54 (four weeks ago) link

Most presidents in my lifetime have been mediocre public speakers. JFK and Reagan understood well how to engage an audience. Bill Clinton was a notch below them, with Obama as competent, though a bit stiff. But the deliveries of Eisenhower, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Bush the First, Bush the Second, Trump and Biden all rate as consistently mannered and awkward, or downright painful to listen to.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 1 September 2022 16:56 (four weeks ago) link

yeah it does seem kinda significant coming from a guy who keeps referring to McConnell as his bestie

frogbs, Thursday, 1 September 2022 16:58 (four weeks ago) link

I don't think McConnell is a real 'MAGA republican'.. He saw Trump as a useful idiot who would sign virtually any bill put in front of him, but he was pretty clear in calling out Biden's clear victory

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 1 September 2022 17:00 (four weeks ago) link

Not to derail the thread, but Obama quite clearly belongs with Clinton and Reagan as best public speakers.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 September 2022 17:10 (four weeks ago) link

Definitely with, possibly above imo

BrianB, Thursday, 1 September 2022 17:49 (four weeks ago) link

not only a great speaker but he has such a good voice too

frogbs, Thursday, 1 September 2022 17:54 (four weeks ago) link

I don't think McConnell is a real 'MAGA republican'..

He is, however, every bit a fascist. Cocaine Mitch would gleefully punch everyone's ticket for the camps if presented with the opportunity. McConnell's beef with Trump is that he wasn't useful enough, undermining the reactionary agenda by making it so blatant.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 1 September 2022 18:03 (four weeks ago) link

Yeah. Franco wasn't Hitler but was every bit a fascist.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 September 2022 18:12 (four weeks ago) link

No disagreements there... the Merrick Garland snub was the pinnacle of cynicism

They say that he's not even particularly committed to conservative principles.. just clinging to power for power's sake

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 1 September 2022 18:15 (four weeks ago) link

In this case, they are right.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 1 September 2022 18:16 (four weeks ago) link

McConnell's beef with Trump is that he wasn't useful enough

OTM. They got their tax cuts for the rich and their Supreme Court picks, but I'm sure Mitch spent every day grimacing at the idiocy he had to deal with, and upset at how much more chicanery he could have gotten up to if he weren't saddled with such a complete moron.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 1 September 2022 18:20 (four weeks ago) link

yeah McConnell despises Trump because Trump's too stupid and temperamental to work with

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 September 2022 18:21 (four weeks ago) link

Clinging to power for power's sake is the ultimate conservative principle.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 1 September 2022 18:35 (four weeks ago) link

you gotta hand it to george washington

it was cool to leave

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 September 2022 18:42 (four weeks ago) link

Republican state attorneys general and other leading conservatives are exploring a slew of potential lawsuits targeting President Biden’s plan to cancel some student debt — challenges that could limit or invalidate the policy before it takes full effect.

In recent days, a number of GOP attorneys general from states including Arizona, Missouri and Texas have met privately to discuss a strategy that could see multiple cases filed in different courts around the country, according to a person familiar with their thinking who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the confidential talks.

Other influential conservatives — including Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and allies of the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank — are mulling their own options as they ratchet up criticism of Biden’s debt-relief plan, two additional people familiar with the matter said. And a conservative advocacy group founded by a major Trump donor said it would file a lawsuit against the policy.

“The conservative public interest law firms in our network are exploring filing lawsuits against this. They are doing background legal research, trying to find out who might be the most suitable clients for them,” John Malcolm, director of the Meese Center at the Heritage Foundation, said in an interview. “They have to find a client with the standing and the gumption to take on a lawsuit. There are several groups in our network who are exploring that right now.”

How President Biden decided to go big on student loan forgiveness

All of the sources cautioned that no decisions have been made — and as of Thursday morning, no lawsuits appeared to have been filed. But a legal battle could carry stark financial consequences for millions of student borrowers, who rejoiced last week after Democrats delivered on a long-standing promise to erase some of their debt.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/09/01/republicans-sue-biden-student-debt/

note that last bit - nothing has happened yet. i have no idea how likely any of the various efforts are to succeed. it's not surprising that they're exploring every effort to hurt their own constituents

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 September 2022 19:12 (four weeks ago) link

Judicial Watch exists to file bullshit lawsuits.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 1 September 2022 19:14 (four weeks ago) link

crazy how committed the GOP has become to bad politics, the only thing worse than being against something broadly popular that directly helps your voters is trying to take it away once it's been signed into law. and yet they don't have to care because they know which way the deck is stacked.

frogbs, Thursday, 1 September 2022 19:29 (four weeks ago) link

apparently the issue really is who has standing--as the article mentions--and from what i've read that's going to be the major issue

a (waterface), Thursday, 1 September 2022 19:29 (four weeks ago) link

Ha, they went there

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ch-Y_M1vTs2/

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 1 September 2022 19:40 (four weeks ago) link

lol, the repeated references to alito's love of the guy lombardo band are just perfect. it is a long read for sure, so i'm doing a long listen (87 minutes) instead

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 September 2022 20:01 (four weeks ago) link

You know who else loved Guy Lombardo?

Nixon..

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 September 2022 20:26 (four weeks ago) link

To be fair, the standard he set on "Reign in Blood" is pretty hard to beat.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 September 2022 20:45 (four weeks ago) link

that was good, the Alito piece. I feel like i understand what a gigantic prick he is now just a little bit more

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 September 2022 20:59 (four weeks ago) link

i recommend this article by michael gerson (which is a "gift" link so it should work regardless of anyone's washington post non-subscription status):

https://wapo.st/3TB9UYT

What brought me to consider these historical matters is a disturbing realization: In both public perception and evident reality, many White, conservative Christians find themselves on the wrong side of the most cutting indictments delivered by Jesus of Nazareth.

Christ’s revolt against the elites could hardly be more different from the one we see today. Conservative evangelicalism has, in many ways, become the kind of religious tradition against which followers of Jesus were initially called to rebel. And because of the pivotal role of conservative Christians in our politics, this irony is a matter of urgency.

Having known evangelicals who live lives of moral integrity and serve others across lines of race and class, I have no intention of pronouncing an indiscriminate indictment. But all conservative Christians must take seriously a sobering development in America’s common life. Many who identify with Jesus most loudly and publicly are doing the most to discredit his cause. The main danger to conservative churches does not come from bad laws — it comes from Christians who don’t understand the distinctives, the demands and the ultimate appeal of their own faith.

This development deserves some woes of its own:

Woe to evangelical hypocrisy. Given the evidence of sexual abuse in the Southern Baptist Convention, the corruption and sexual scandal at Liberty University, the sex scandal in the Hillsong ministry, the sexual exploitation revealed in Ravi Zacharias’s ministry, and the years of sexual predation at the (Christian) Kanakuk summer camps, Americans increasingly identify the word “evangelical” with pretense, scandal and duplicity. In the case of the SBC, victims (mostly women) were ignored, intimidated, dismissed and demeaned. Many of the most powerful Southern Baptist leaders betrayed the powerless, added cruelty on top of suffering and justified their coverup as essential to Christian evangelism. How can hearts ostensibly transformed by Christ be so impervious to mercy?

Woe to evangelical exclusion. In their overwhelming, uncritical support of Trump and other nationalist Republicans — leaders who could never win elections without evangelical votes — White religious conservatives have joined a political movement defined by an attitude of “us” vs. “them,” and dedicated to the rejection and humiliation of social outsiders and outcasts. From the start, the Trump-led GOP dehumanized migrants as diseased and violent. It attacked Muslims as suspect and dangerous. Even when evangelical Christians refuse to mouth the words of racism, they have allied themselves with the promoters of prejudice and white grievance. How can it be that believers called to radical inclusion are the most hostile to refugees of any group in the United States? How can anyone who serves God’s boundless kingdom of love and generosity ever rally to the political banner “America First”?

And woe, therefore, to Christian nationalism. Evangelicals broadly confuse the Kingdom of God with a Christian America, preserved by thuggish politicians who promise to prefer their version of Christian rights and enforce Christian values. The political calculation of conservative Christians is simple, and simply wrong.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 September 2022 21:02 (four weeks ago) link

heard Mary Peltola on the PBS News Hour, she seems cool.. I hope she's able to hold the seat in November

Apparently she's heavily pro-salmon, and that's a big deal in Alaska:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/09/mary-peltola-alaska-sarah-palin-pro-fish-begich.html

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 1 September 2022 22:14 (four weeks ago) link

Karl, in view of their actions, as opposed to their words, it is impossible not to conclude that large numbers of white evangelicals consider imposing their prejudices and and protecting their privileges to be of far greater importance than any injunctions Christ directly laid upon them in the gospels, either through his words or his example and you cannot shame them into recognizing this.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 1 September 2022 22:34 (four weeks ago) link

The poll: Biden approval up, Dems +4 on generic House ballot, 53-43 people approve of Biden student debt plan, 50-41 Trump should be criminally prosecuted over documents. https://t.co/9GiVQaCpSu https://t.co/VQ2fdSq0lT

— Jill Lawrence (@JillDLawrence) August 31, 2022

Further evidence that all people really ask is that you do... something. Anything.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 1 September 2022 23:27 (four weeks ago) link

Dems have to be like +20 kn the generic ballot to actually gain a seat though

You can't spell Fearless without Earle (President Keyes), Thursday, 1 September 2022 23:29 (four weeks ago) link

and you cannot shame them into recognizing this.

i believe this, now, and didn't always, before. i used to think that shame was potentially a language they could understand and be persuaded by, because it's so pervasive throughout the bible

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 September 2022 23:36 (four weeks ago) link

I mean, the dude is guilty of several felonies and is still running around doing whatever the fuck he wants after seven years so

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 16:05 (two days ago) link

reminds me of being a kid and misunderstanding baseball rules, just running around first base and trying to dodge the first base player so they wouldn't touch you with the ball before you could sneak past them

mh, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 16:42 (two days ago) link

LOL

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 16:43 (two days ago) link

Not to be all lookist but why do so many Republicans look like they've been curing in a vat of gravy for several decades

Beautiful Bean Footage Fetishist (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 18:17 (two days ago) link

because they have

sweating like Cathy *aaaack* (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 18:24 (two days ago) link

guessing a lifestyle of just always doing whatever you feel like while simultaneously getting angry all day long at others doing the same eventually takes a toll

frogbs, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 18:26 (two days ago) link

Newt Gingrich in 2022, up to very important things.

Is Pennsylvania Democrat Fetterman’s tattoo “I will make you hurt” based on his ties to the crips gang as reported by the Free Beacon or a reference to the nine inch nails heroin song “Hurt”. Fetterman won’t answer questions.

— Newt Gingrich (@newtgingrich) September 26, 2022

Newt's more of a Ministry man, IIRC.

gotta admit that is a very funny bit

frogbs, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 21:21 (two days ago) link

Fetterman c-walking into the Senate chamber to be sworn in

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 21:34 (two days ago) link

both sound cool though

rob, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 21:56 (two days ago) link

Love seeing all these ruffled feathers over a tattoo as if one of their faves isn't walking around with a tat of goddamn Nixon on his back.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:04 (two days ago) link

I interpret that tattoo as getting fentanyl off the streets

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:15 (two days ago) link

Lol Fetterman’s ‘ties to the crips gang’ apparently consisted of spelling Braddock ‘Braddocc’.

SincereLee 'Scratch' Perry (President Keyes), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 02:05 (yesterday) link

“We go in the toilets”...? pic.twitter.com/eLO9imETa1

— Chris Sommerfeldt (@C_Sommerfeldt) September 27, 2022

"We go in the toilets" for October thread title.

Someone in the replies points out that it's probably a reference to a recent piece of conservative outrage fodder that falsely claimed that schools were putting litter boxes in bathrooms for students who identify as cats. But he's too immersed in the right-wing media ecosystem to realize that the reference doesn't land with people outside of it.

jaymc, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 03:42 (yesterday) link

I was thinking it was someone in Kansas viewing NYC as somewhere where people go the bathroom everywhere but in the toilet.

That old chestnut...

in kansas they just stand like cattle, pooping and staring

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 03:55 (yesterday) link

in NYC they have a brand and shit straight into the toilet

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 03:55 (yesterday) link

I beg to differ. Kansas has a brand. It is just a tired, old, unattractive brand, like Pepto-Bismol or Ovaltine.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 04:00 (yesterday) link

Their charade is the event of the season, iirc.

But he's too immersed in the right-wing media ecosystem to realize that the reference doesn't land with people outside of it.

It lands exactly where he wants his - his fellow travelers nod and chuckle "got 'em haha" and liberals correctly call him an idiot and his fellow travelers look on in adoration as he once again owned the libs.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 05:29 (yesterday) link

where he wants it

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 05:29 (yesterday) link

in the toilet

politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 08:05 (yesterday) link

where he goes

politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 08:05 (yesterday) link

because Kansas

politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 08:05 (yesterday) link

It is just a tired, old, unattractive brand, like Pepto-Bismol or Ovaltine.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, September 28, 2022 12:00 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Ovaltine is good you take that back

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 11:52 (yesterday) link

Kansas has a brand.

All they are is dust in the wind

the floor is guava (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 12:04 (yesterday) link

One thing about Kansas is that it has spawned many weirdos, some of whom leave and some of whom stay. Because of its overwhelmingly conservative body politic, it has also often been at the forefront of the culture wars, bringing attention to people and elements in society that would eventually become more widely accepted.

In other words, it is useful as a foil. the KC metro area and Lawrence are okay— otherwise, a pit.

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 13:24 (yesterday) link

table, are you perhaps saying that something is the matter with Kansas?

the floor is guava (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 13:49 (yesterday) link

lol the "We go in the toilets" thing is likely a nod to the right wing conspiracy theory about cat-identifying students demanding litter boxes in schools.

President Keyes, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:09 (yesterday) link

"We believe murders are rare"?

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:15 (yesterday) link

OK, Kansas is 41st in the nation in murders per capita.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:17 (yesterday) link

More murderers than victims, especially in the state legislators..

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:18 (yesterday) link

table, are you perhaps saying that something is the matter with Kansas?


I didn’t want to go there, but yes. It’s also the subject of one of the chapters of Dying of Whiteness— Kansas used to have some of the most robust, well-funded, and highest-ranked public education institutions in the country, from elementary on up. As Republicans and the white evangelical movement have taken hold and defunded public education in the state, life outcomes and educational attainment have dropped precipitously.

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:20 (yesterday) link

More murderers than victims, especially in the state legislators.

More sociopaths than in gen pop, that's for sure.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:30 (yesterday) link

toilets thing also re making sure no trans in wrong bathrooms?

dow, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:15 (yesterday) link

At first I assumed he was talking about public urination

President Keyes, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:18 (yesterday) link

Ovaltine is good you take that back

I agree it's good, but unless someone drank it a few decades ago they probably don't know it's good and would never bother finding out.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:26 (yesterday) link

Too dark brandon reel it in https://t.co/0l3okZ6r7F

— eve6 (@Eve6) September 28, 2022

not to put too fine a point on it, but Biden has a lot to occupy his attention just about every minute of every day and the accidental death of a House Representative might never have been brought to his attention and if it were it could be crowded out and forgotten pretty easily without any need for dementia to explain it.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:50 (yesterday) link

Maybe a different Jackie? "Congresswoman Speier has been a longtime supporter of federal nutrition programs like the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program..."

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:56 (yesterday) link

glad to get my Breitbart misinfo on Ilx.

bulb after bulb, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 17:22 (yesterday) link

Ok I gotta hand it to them on this one

BREAKING: MAGA senate candidate Herschel Walker defends holding a gun to his ex-wife's head and threatening to "blow" her "brains out" by quoting the Bible saying "he without sin cast the first stone." RT IF YOU'VE NEVER HELD A GUN TO SOMEONE'S HEAD!

— Occupy Democrats (@OccupyDemocrats) September 28, 2022

JoeStork, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 18:03 (yesterday) link

A post worth six figures, easily.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 18:30 (yesterday) link

RT IF YOU GO IN THE TOILETS

SMASH THAT LIKE BUTTON IF YOU'VE EVER HELD A FART IN!

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 19:20 (yesterday) link

Marjorie Taylor Greene's husband, Perry, has filed for a divorce from the congresswoman. "The marriage between the Petitioner and the Respondent is irretrievably broken." pic.twitter.com/WmLg0Kbgf6

— Charles Bethea (@charlesbethea) September 29, 2022

guess he doesn't have the George Conway kink

frogbs, Thursday, 29 September 2022 03:57 (thirteen hours ago) link

Burn down Twitter if she has a teenage child who temporarily becomes a liberal celebrity.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 29 September 2022 05:03 (twelve hours ago) link


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