The Rehearsal - Nathan Fielder - HBO

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He's still got it

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― Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Saturday, July 16, 2022 3:20 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Spoiler tagging because I think I'd be more mad about this show getting spoiled than any twisty scifi whatever type show

― Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Saturday, July 16, 2022 3:22 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

this was amazing & this gave me anxiety

― johnny crunch, Saturday, July 16, 2022 8:00 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

what a joy.

there is nothing like this show

― sean gramophone, Saturday, July 16, 2022 9:50 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

yeah I was in heaven watching this

― Clay, Saturday, July 16, 2022 9:56 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

ok i will be the guy who asks

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― the life of a rebo band is always intense (emsworth), Saturday, July 16, 2022 10:57 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

i feel like with "exploitation" i really want to be able to understand the harm being done: a harm beyond being embarrassed after the fact about something you understood and agreed to

i don't think these people are mocked; i think they seem human and complicated. i agree that it "uses" other people to achieve its ends, but there's a matter of degree here, and with this first episode it doesn't feel abusive. an improv show that invites a volunteer on stage (and then does something silly with them) isn't necessarily "exploitation" - although it can still be mean or embarrass about the volunteer.

if trish was mistreated over the course of this production - if she felt deceived, etc - then she'd be right to be angry and fielder would be obliged to respond to this. but with a lot of art i think that's the extent of the moral obligation: to try not to do harm; to face those who feel harm was done, if that's the case, and respond in good faith to their complaints. but you don't have a moral obligation to "avoid any circumstance where someone might feel bad."

i say this as a novelist who has used real people in his work

― sean gramophone, Saturday, July 16, 2022 11:05 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

if there is a novel about a jerk, and it becomes known that the character was inspired by a real person, the author may have a responsibility to deal with that real person face to face. but they don't have an obligation not to write that book.

― sean gramophone, Saturday, July 16, 2022 11:07 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

bad nathan friend

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, July 16, 2022 11:22 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Xp thanks for this response Sean G, that’s really interesting - esp “avoid any circumstance where people might feel bad”, which I must admit I try to do myself! there’s something about the power imbalance between someone with access to massive budget and broadcast distribution apparatus - and people who don’t! that makes me wary. i think people often enter into relationships with media without really understanding the implications of what it means to surrender their story to an edit process.

your example of writing novels is interesting, would you agree tho that maybe there is a difference when someone is presented in a certain way in a heavily constructed “reality” show?

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― the life of a rebo band is always intense (emsworth), Saturday, July 16, 2022 11:43 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I’m not a tv insider but I always take it as a given that any time I see someone’s face & hear their voice in a show like this (i.e. not the news) they have agreed in writing and been paid at least a nominal sum

― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:45 AM (twelve hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i was more wondering if they showed her the cut before she signed! btw of course i do think she actually comes across really well when it counts - but definitely interested in these considerations around agency and representation.

― the life of a rebo band is always intense (emsworth), Sunday, July 17, 2022 1:14 AM (eleven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://thriftyboy.org

yes, the "stories" look hilarious but don't miss the iStock watermarks on all the preview photos

― Murgatroid, Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:53 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

this was staggeringly impressive, i couldn't believe they spend the money on the bar set.

― akm, Sunday, July 17, 2022 11:19 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

johnny crunch, Sunday, 17 July 2022 16:50 (four weeks ago) link

sorry that the hidden text links dont carry over, i rehearsed how starting this would go and didnt account for that

johnny crunch, Sunday, 17 July 2022 16:54 (four weeks ago) link

well, we really need a rehearsal board for you to try threads like this

this was great, so excited to see more. the very end was pretty shocking to me, but maybe predictable in hindsight that he would get so upset

Vinnie, Monday, 18 July 2022 00:07 (four weeks ago) link

wasn’t that a rehearsal with the other guy, and then we didn’t see the actual guy getting told?

just sayin, Monday, 18 July 2022 00:19 (four weeks ago) link

Yeah that was the actor. I don’t think the real guy would care that much. I was wondering if he was gonna figure out during trivia what was happening but I don’t think he did. Either way the scene where he’s unknowingly being fed the answers was as funny as anything NFY did, pretty much worth the whole episode

frogbs, Monday, 18 July 2022 00:23 (four weeks ago) link

Also lmao @ him not knowing what Nathan For You was, and Nathan going “oh, I thought you were supposed to be a TV trivia guy”

frogbs, Monday, 18 July 2022 00:24 (four weeks ago) link

Yeah my original Hidden text was the cop cursing the day the Chinese invented gunpowder, that line ruined me

Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Monday, 18 July 2022 02:07 (four weeks ago) link

building the exact replica of the bar was insane. I'd watch a little documentary on that aspect alone

think it bodes well for what the HBO budget is gonna allow them to do

frogbs, Monday, 18 July 2022 03:40 (four weeks ago) link

lol whoops. I guess the actor was too convincing

Vinnie, Monday, 18 July 2022 08:42 (four weeks ago) link

Wife and I were wondering if there’s gonna be a twist in the last episode where everybody’s been an actor the whole time and everything we’ve seen has been a rehearsal for making the “actual” show

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 18 July 2022 12:50 (four weeks ago) link

Haven't read anything about it yet but I imagine this was a particularly arduous show to finish after COVID. The Cheap Chick in the City blog posts Nathan looks at were all from 2019.

Chris L, Monday, 18 July 2022 12:59 (four weeks ago) link

Both of the actors were fantastic at capturing their respective subjects.

NGL, this kinda got me emotional at points. It's an insane concept built for max laffs while also addressing some deeper shit. It's basically exposure therapy taken to the most ridiculous extreme.

feels like this show is gonna be “finding frances: the series,” and yeah, sign me up

in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Monday, 18 July 2022 14:37 (four weeks ago) link

The character detail on just the few seconds of Thrifty Boy, with him snacking on packets of ketchup…

Chris L, Monday, 18 July 2022 14:40 (four weeks ago) link

I would really like to see that insane flow chart they made

frogbs, Monday, 18 July 2022 15:09 (four weeks ago) link

some Redditor was actually on Cash Cab with this guy a decade ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BADGSUbWfMk

they were part of a trivia team. and yes, he did tell him he had a Masters

(amusingly it seems Cash Cab is also fake - it's a real game show but they don't just pick people up off the street)

frogbs, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 14:58 (four weeks ago) link

“His whole educational status has been a scam.” pic.twitter.com/Zgse9B8jCg

— Scout Tafoya (@Honors_Zombie) July 19, 2022

, Thursday, 21 July 2022 02:40 (three weeks ago) link

(amusingly it seems Cash Cab is also fake - it's a real game show but they don't just pick people up off the street)

can confirm

symsymsym, Thursday, 21 July 2022 06:40 (three weeks ago) link

https://www.vulture.com/article/nathan-fielder-the-rehearsal-alligator-lounge-visit.html

My friend Danny showed up, and I asked him what he thought of the episode. He said that in the first scene at the real Alligator Lounge, when it looks as if there are hidden cameras scoping it out, he recognized regulars in the crowd, including one of his friends. And here’s where the plot thickens: Danny said that in the climactic scene in which Kor and Tricia actually do bar trivia, he “didn’t recognize anyone. Even the bartender was different.” Danny said the trivia host in the episode wasn’t the usual guy who hosted in 2019, either. To be clear, Danny is a true Alligator Lounge regular. He knows the space; he knows the crowd. He believed that the confession scene, the one that was supposed to be the “real” moment after many, many staged ones, was more staged than the show let on. He also directed me to a post on the Instagram account of Trivial Dispute, the group that organizes these bar-trivia nights. Overlaid on a screengrab of the episode were the words “AS (SORT OF) SEEN ON THE REHEARSAL! ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTIONS!”

I reached out via Instagram to Adam Kesner, the man behind Trivial Dispute, which hosts a number of trivia nights in bars across New York throughout the week; the group has run the program at Alligator Lounge since 2007. Kesner usually writes the questions every week but confirmed that a different host and pre-written questions were provided by The Rehearsal’s production company for the final trivia night in the episode. “The only issue I had with the show was the subpar question quality,” said Kesner, who theorized that the questions were written to generate those funny “clue inception” beats rather than a challenging night of real-life bar trivia.

jaymc, Thursday, 21 July 2022 14:31 (three weeks ago) link

layers within layers

Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 21 July 2022 15:09 (three weeks ago) link

Starting to think "Nathan Fielder" is himself an elaborate ruse.

Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 21 July 2022 15:10 (three weeks ago) link

I guess we could still get

a twist in the last episode where everybody’s been an actor the whole time and everything we’ve seen has been a rehearsal for making the “actual” show

Vinnie, Friday, 22 July 2022 00:26 (three weeks ago) link

This was nuts

Early in the show the guy showed a photo of the whole trivia team, which looked like a typical,uh, size of one of those. Why would this night have been only the two of them?

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 22 July 2022 02:24 (three weeks ago) link

the gunpowder thing, the answer was gunpowder, not China. How the heck was that question phrased?

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 22 July 2022 02:26 (three weeks ago) link

he tells nathan early on that he'll invite her to a two-person trivia night with the excuse that they haven't hung out together in awhile or something xp

Clay, Friday, 22 July 2022 02:27 (three weeks ago) link

per the earlier writeup, I'm thinking the two person trivia night is an invention of the show!

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 22 July 2022 02:28 (three weeks ago) link

i shouldn't have phrased it that way -- it's not that the bar is hosting only teams of two, it's just that their team will just be the two of them for that night

Clay, Friday, 22 July 2022 02:31 (three weeks ago) link

We saw how seriously they all take it. The others are just going to sit one out? I don't think so. Whatever you have to say, you can say it to all of us

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 22 July 2022 02:32 (three weeks ago) link

I assumed it wasn't their regular night, this was some bonus night at a different bar than usual?

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 22 July 2022 02:54 (three weeks ago) link

Nathan Fielder is clearly a genius.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 July 2022 03:37 (three weeks ago) link

iirc i think it was him inviting her to a trivia night that he usually does solo

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 22 July 2022 12:07 (three weeks ago) link

diabolical

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 22 July 2022 12:19 (three weeks ago) link

https://cheapchickinthecity.wordpress.com/

they are still playing to this day
but that's about all she can say

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 22 July 2022 12:21 (three weeks ago) link

Given the size of that massive flow chart I figured having multiple people there would have just been way too complicated

frogbs, Friday, 22 July 2022 12:26 (three weeks ago) link

he overplayed his hand with the second episode, this is obviously much more staged than it pretends to be.

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 23 July 2022 05:07 (three weeks ago) link

still creepy as fuck though

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 23 July 2022 05:20 (three weeks ago) link

I'm more excited about where the show is going because at this point it could go anywhere. It is clearly scripted and better for it. After the first episode I wondered if it was going to follow the same formula throughout, but now it seems like something weirder is going on.

Cow_Art, Saturday, 23 July 2022 05:42 (three weeks ago) link

maybe I’m a rube but I trust nathan completely and I’m just happy to be on the ride

Clay, Saturday, 23 July 2022 11:26 (three weeks ago) link

yea i mean who cares if there is a structure, it will overall be better for it

nathan w the scion guy felt like john wilson - amazing & could not have been planned

johnny crunch, Saturday, 23 July 2022 18:50 (three weeks ago) link

ep 2 was great, was a little on the fence after ep 1 but now it has immediately gone somewhere weirder and more ambiguous I’m totally on board

the life of a rebo band is always intense (emsworth), Saturday, 23 July 2022 22:26 (three weeks ago) link

discussing whether this experience would be traumatizing for the babies involved of course inevitably led to Is it bad for a baby to see you masturbating?

, Monday, 25 July 2022 02:05 (three weeks ago) link

I was utterly perplexed by this second episode. What purpose did the first episode serve if it was just going to pivot to a multi-episode narrative? Anyone else feel that the first episode was filmed pre-pandemic, and the second much later? Did they really relocate the bar? Is this really going to be a multi-episode arc? It's kind of refreshing to see a show where I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 12:45 (three weeks ago) link

he overplayed his hand with the second episode, this is obviously much more staged than it pretends to be.

― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Saturday, July 23, 2022 12:07 AM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

I was thinking when Nathan hesitantly agreed to step in as a babysitter that the baby's actual mother was just like a hundred feet away from the house.

But as others have said, I don't really care about any artificial elements. There's a certain suspension of disbelief required here (do we really think he transported his elaborate Alligator Lounge set across state lines on a whim?). And I do half believe One Eye Open's theory that everything we're seeing may be one big rehearsal for something entirely unexpected.

Beautiful Bean Footage Fetishist (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 13:41 (three weeks ago) link

Given the leap between the first and second episode I think that's a really good guess. Like, it's going to end with him in the bar, and then the camera will pan out and reveal that the bar has been rebuilt once again in a warehouse in Antarctica or something. "Maybe we are meant to be alone. Maybe all of life is just a long rehearsal to teach us what it's like to be alone, after everyone and everything we know and love has disappeared or died. Or maybe being alone is our natural state, but being with others is what gives us a soul."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 13:58 (three weeks ago) link

yeah as far my enjoyment of the show i have no interest in whats actually real or staged. I think its clear that he is interested in telling a scripted story about a character, and its going to be told through the lens of a "nathan for you" style comedic reality show but it is not going to actually be that show.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 15:22 (three weeks ago) link

impression I get is that the people are real but the situations may be staged - for instance Kor's insistence that trivia night goes well is probably something the producers told him to do, but Kor's dilemma itself were probably real. I think NFY would pull tricks like that a lot. as for this recent one I don't think either one of them were actors (Robin seems to have an online trail of being a weird dude) but I am guessing they tried pretty hard to drive Robin out of that house

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 15:35 (three weeks ago) link

but yeah blurring the lines between real and staged is sort of this show's whole deal, not to mention a lot of what NFY was doing near the end

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 15:36 (three weeks ago) link

Interesting. I haven't looked up Robin at all, but sleeping in a different room and being woken up at least once felt like plenty to get him out of there.

maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 15:56 (three weeks ago) link

ugh, i had to tap out during the scene where she's whispering her prayer. it's "cringe", but that shit really does hit home. i remember being surrounded by people whispering these things to themselves, always loud enough that the adults next to them (and me, who i guess they thought was too little/childish to understand what was going on) could hear, and remembering the passages in my illustrated bible showing pharisees loudly praying with their faces and hands turned up to god so that everyone nearby could hear them. "i just pray father that you would place your hand heavy upon this production, heavy on nathan..." that kind of stuff particularly, the "place your hand heavy up on this production" shit -- people saying things that are very unnatural, that they heard somewhere else, when someone else was praying too loudly, which just so happens to make them feel like they are world-historic characters during the end times conversing directly with god, get it ouuuuuuuut

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 16:20 (three weeks ago) link

The ancestor of a lot of reality shows, The Real World, notoriously messed with their own formula to change it from a bunch of people living in the same place to a bunch of people living and working together on a shared task in order to keep everything focused on the group.

I never watched the show until much later having not had MTV, but by the third season at latest there were people "doing reality show stuff" off the bat. The newer shows that have the same cast for multiple seasons are basically nightmares, because there's no way the people on them have not watched episodes of their own show between seasons, right? I'm blissfully unaware here, but have there been scenes on any of them where the people watch their own show?

mh, Monday, 8 August 2022 21:42 (one week ago) link

Watching and reacting to their own shows was very much a thing on Terrace House

Vinnie, Monday, 8 August 2022 22:03 (one week ago) link

Still lolling at "you're a fucking disaster, my guy"

Vinnie, Tuesday, 9 August 2022 04:40 (one week ago) link

feels very Synechdoche New York to me

yes, feels very like a Kaufmann script but instead of a movie it's reality tv

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 9 August 2022 07:57 (one week ago) link

If this starts at the pilot and goes onto the end of the series getting progressively strange is there further to go for a series 2.
Will people already be aware of it in sufficient numbers to make it more difficult to do, or is its stagedness already rendering that moot.

Interesting comments on the spectacle anyway. & interesting question of time. Like most people live in real time and try to balance out several threads running through their lives don't they? So the amount of time one would commit to spending the time this is suggesting to addressing one part of one's narrative seems to be difficult at least. Like is it suggested that everything else is put on a backburner while this is happening. I do remember a comment about hoping Angela didn't see the move to Oregon as a holiday.

THought the 2ary story in episode 3 was interesting the guy who is roped into helping out an actor playing a fictional grandfather who says he is going to leave some part of a treasure he has helped find. Hope he wasn't banking on that income, I was in the other part of teh room listening to that when the individual disappeared from the rehearsal . Did seem pretty callous and manipulative to have this set up for an emotional reaction Nathan was looking for.
Is this whole series just a set up to talk about ethics involved? & how fictional is Nathan Fielder himself

Stevolende, Tuesday, 9 August 2022 09:51 (one week ago) link

In addition to Synechdoche NY, watching the latest episode in particular I also found myself thinking of Primer, a movie about people playing doubles of themselves, and doubles of those doubles visiting the same spaces over & over again like lost ghosts, obsessed with recreating the moments in their lives over & over in order to "fix" them, only to find that those recreations are being manipulated by endless layers of doubles who are themselves recreating the lives of other doubles.

Of course the guy who made Primer turned out to be an actual dangerous manipulative psychopath, like the scary non-comedy version of what would happen if the Nathan For You character existed in real life.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 9 August 2022 13:15 (one week ago) link

"i love the movie Apocalypto"

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 13 August 2022 03:48 (three days ago) link

I really don't know what to do with this

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 13 August 2022 03:51 (three days ago) link

(not a spoiler)
My favorite exchange:
Angela: "And 100 million stood to attend him. His clothing was white as snow. His hair was like the whitest wool."
Nathan: "Whoa."
Angela: "Yeah."

ernestp, Saturday, 13 August 2022 04:08 (three days ago) link

wait do you think that's a reference to the aging mirror???

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 13 August 2022 04:28 (three days ago) link

Was expecting the Curb Your Enthusiasm music at the end there

frogbs, Saturday, 13 August 2022 06:06 (three days ago) link

Of course the guy who made Primer turned out to be an actual dangerous manipulative psychopath, like the scary non-comedy version of what would happen if the Nathan For You character existed in real life.

― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 9 August 2022 13:15 (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Woah really? Links?

Bellend Sebastian (S-), Saturday, 13 August 2022 08:03 (three days ago) link

Google him. Arrested for domestic abuse etc

Zelda Zonk, Saturday, 13 August 2022 08:20 (three days ago) link

Funny to see him address the "meanness" interpretation of his shows when the Angela actress goes off on him (whose upset dialogue I assume he wrote)

Vinnie, Saturday, 13 August 2022 13:24 (three days ago) link

Was expecting the Curb Your Enthusiasm music at the end there

― frogbs, Saturday, August 13, 2022 2:06 AM (nine hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol. But "These donuts are delicious" was perfect.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 13 August 2022 15:38 (three days ago) link

especially if you KNEW she was gonna say "sufganyot" right afterwards

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 13 August 2022 15:56 (three days ago) link

“…and it was cool to own my own bar that HBO paid for”

mh, Saturday, 13 August 2022 18:22 (three days ago) link

holy shit that ending

mh, Saturday, 13 August 2022 18:33 (three days ago) link

Just rewatched the confrontation with Fake Angela and if he really found that actress in the acting class it seems like a genuine discovery.

Chris L, Sunday, 14 August 2022 03:09 (two days ago) link

her voice was identical

frogbs, Sunday, 14 August 2022 03:10 (two days ago) link

Nate’s Lizard Lounge

circa1916, Sunday, 14 August 2022 03:12 (two days ago) link

him saying “I’m nate” to a patron at nate’s lizard lounge >>>>

Clay, Sunday, 14 August 2022 03:13 (two days ago) link

"i love the movie Apocalypto"

― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, August 12, 2022 11:48 PM (yesterday)

all i could think about was how angela must be an ilxor b/c of ilx's love for that movie 15 years ago

, Sunday, 14 August 2022 03:18 (two days ago) link

The scene with his parents reminded me of Tom Green.

dinnerboat, Sunday, 14 August 2022 03:57 (two days ago) link

I was amused by how angry I got at Angela for completely ignoring the premise when Nathan was gone!

mh, Sunday, 14 August 2022 14:15 (two days ago) link

gonna say i was not surprised when miriam started talking about israel’s superior microchip technology. more surprised that she didn’t bring up sodastream

mr. weird al and the box squeezers (voodoo chili), Sunday, 14 August 2022 14:57 (two days ago) link

i just watched episode 4. this show is hysterical, mind-bending, and heartbreaking and i’ve never seen anything like it before (except of course finding frances)

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 14 August 2022 15:57 (two days ago) link

so far, ep 4 has been my favorite. 3 and 4 in particular, so good

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 14 August 2022 16:05 (two days ago) link

I was amused by how angry I got at Angela for completely ignoring the premise when Nathan was gone!

disappointing but it fits the nathan fielder story. in some ways he reminds me of precocious children who make up games on the spot with elaborate rule systems. They struggle to find people who will play the invented game, if nothing else, because it's too complicated and self-absorbed -- the rule changes always have 100% to do with the little kid and what they think should happen. Kids like that often end up playing alone

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 14 August 2022 16:30 (two days ago) link

sorry if that sounds like an insult to nathan fielder and/or precocious children! there's nothing wrong with playing alone or making up elaborate rule systems, of course. fielder just reminds me of a kid who is in some ways stuck in that world

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 14 August 2022 16:32 (two days ago) link

I don't even know what to think anymore.

Good essay from Sam Adams in Slate (doe Sam post here?):

https://slate.com/culture/2022/08/rehearsal-episode-5-nathan-fielder-hbo-explained-maybe.html

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 August 2022 00:56 (yesterday) link

I'm curious if this particular storyline was planned all along or if they just shot so much material that they were able to cobble it together. There has to be like 100 hours of unused footage for this show. In fact I suspect the last episode might actually dive into that idea (iirc pre-screeners didn't get to see the finale which suggests everything is about to turn on its head again)

frogbs, Monday, 15 August 2022 01:09 (yesterday) link

There has to be like 100 hours of unused footage for this show.

It really depends how much has been scripted, right?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 August 2022 01:16 (yesterday) link

wtf are you talking about, KM? Angela is on a reality show, she pretends the kids and house are hers. The fact Nathan jumps in is meant to be ephemeral, but she already went off script long before he changed the rules, which admittedly fucked the experiment. He “took over” and then left, but she basically decided it was a farce despite the fact she had time for her role. Just complete disinterest in the premise

Nathan rewinding things was completely a break with premise and I get her disconnect there, though

mh, Monday, 15 August 2022 03:03 (yesterday) link

also, rip to Nathan’s irl marriage and the fact his mom thought he was creating another situation for an admittedly fake spouse to march over him.

mh, Monday, 15 August 2022 03:06 (yesterday) link

if he really found that actress in the acting class it seems like a genuine discovery.

he did not, she is currently on the excellent new Hulu show "This Fool"
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1836873

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 August 2022 03:43 (yesterday) link

IT is getting weirder. Well presumably since it is all scripted and everybody is an actor that must be planned.
But Nathan deciding to take over somebody else's narrative once they have left leaving him the sole parent to how many acting children? Are they still having 3 boys play Adam. Like not weird enough that he would want to raise his fake kid or fake his kid Jewish when it's a fictional situation anyway.
Like is the idea that we think that he who is presumably a versatile fictional role can't tell the difference between real and pretend. So weird.
I bet Angela is gooing to turn up in something else before long, if not in this in a different role.
I was thinking that Nathan's mother was an actress I'd seen in a few things Orange is The New Black and Station Eleven to name 2.

Stevolende, Monday, 15 August 2022 10:01 (yesterday) link

Nathan's mother is not Lori Petty.

jaymc, Monday, 15 August 2022 12:22 (yesterday) link

I did say was thinking so like past tense.
Hadn't realised Lori Petty was Tank Girl when I saw her in more recent things

Stevolende, Monday, 15 August 2022 12:33 (yesterday) link

Would add another layer if the parents turned out to be actors too though.
LIke is the entire thing about supposed representations of the 'real' anyway.
Or is it just an existential comedy show about like epistemology like.

mental tricks, optical illusions and basic desperation.
& desolation.

Stevolende, Monday, 15 August 2022 12:44 (yesterday) link

Doing magic tricks is reportedly part of Fielder's origin story. Not only does he do a trick to break the ice in at least one episode of Nathan for You, I've read a profile or two where he does a trick to break the ice with a reporter. So sleight of hand and optical illusions are really his thing, the existential/epistemology stuff is like the exploration of illusion in a narrative context.

From that Slate piece I linked to:

The rehearsals themselves apparently parallel ideas from both Kabbalistic study and Jewish midrash, although it’s doubtful that Nathan the character is aware of this. (As for Fielder the writer-director, whom the Forward likens to “a Kabbalistically imagined Jewish God”—who can say?) But they’re rooted in a simple secular precept: Life comes down to a handful of decisive moments, and how you fare in those crucial moments determines whether you will succeed or fail. Nathan tells the actors he’s teaching the Fielder Method that the slightest misstep on their part “could ruin someone’s life,” a line repeated by the actor he hires to play himself. But it finds its most poignant expression in the second episode, “Scion,” when Nathan takes on the role of co-parenting Adam. “It’s scary to imagine raising a child,” he reflects, “when you always know that a single misstep on your part could ruin their entire life.”

And later:

He’s so invested in the idea of narrowing life to a series of predictable, and therefore manageable, possibilities that he hasn’t grasped a basic truth: No matter how much you practice, you will never be ready. What matters most is the ability to accept imperfection, in yourself as well as in others. You will make terrible mistakes, and suffer the consequences: marriages end, people die, things that should have been said never are. But if mistakes were permanent, Angela would still be “standing on the corner drinking 40’s” and not taking part in Nathan’s bizarre experiment. The most important lesson the religious instructor teaches Nathan has nothing to do with Judaism. It’s when he asks if she wants to rehearse her confrontation with Angela and she tells him she prefers to “shoot from the hip.”

So, presuming an at least somewhat scripted/predetermined end is in sight, it becomes an even more complex moral puzzle box: a (somewhat) scripted story of a man playing a version of himself rehearsing scenes based on real scenes (that may also be scripted) about choosing what paths (scripts) we follow and learning (through rehearsal?) that the most honest/"real" path is possibly the one that is unscripted.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 August 2022 12:57 (yesterday) link

I’ve heard him talk in interviews about his love of magic and how it was a good social crutch for him as an awkward young adult, a way of having controlled & manageable social interactions. “Do you want to see a magic trick?”, then you do the trick, you both talk about the trick, the interaction is going to remain within very predictable guidelines.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 15 August 2022 14:30 (yesterday) link

This show is insane and I love it.

doomposting is the new composting (PBKR), Tuesday, 16 August 2022 01:41 (fourteen hours ago) link

"I hadn't been to a synagogue for years, because it's so boring"

symsymsym, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 06:06 (nine hours ago) link

irl loled at that line.

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 14:09 (one hour ago) link

keeping my finger hovering over the "is this antisemitism" ilx thread, ready to click, as Angela explains to Nathan why she wouldn't want her child to learn about judaism

mh, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 14:26 (one hour ago) link

miriam would love that thread

comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 August 2022 14:33 (one hour ago) link

keeping my finger hovering over the "is this antisemitism" ilx thread, ready to click, as Angela explains to Nathan why she wouldn't want her child to learn about judaism

or as she talked about the camerawork of her favorite director

symsymsym, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 14:54 (one hour ago) link

of course miriam really managed to get more racist than angela, in a classic twist ending

symsymsym, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 14:59 (fifty-eight minutes ago) link

not that much of a twist if you've spend much time around people like her

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 15:13 (forty-three minutes ago) link


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