have you quit twitter yet?

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Poll Results

OptionVotes
no, I will never quit 25
I have never had a twitter account 24
no, but I'm thinking about it 23
yes, I deleted my account 8
I logged out but didn't delete 8
I am Elon Musk 8
I cannot answer because I signed an NDA 3


rob, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 17:26 (three weeks ago) link

I have taken the coward's path (logged out but not deleted)

rob, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 17:28 (three weeks ago) link

same

provided i have any self control and/or don't otherwise turn out to need my account for dumb grad school scholar self promotion this is probably it for me

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 17:28 (three weeks ago) link

I’ve never had a Twitter account, am happy to watch people quit though

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 17:29 (three weeks ago) link

xp
oh gawd academic twitter is kind of the pits, though I get feeling that pressure

rob, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 17:30 (three weeks ago) link

Twitter is the best social media platform. Instagram is too much of a walled garden (you can't even post links!), Facebook is literally useless, but Twitter allows me to have enjoyable conversations with people (including many ILXors) and weed out all the bullshit I don't want to see with minimal effort. And I post links there to everything I publish, promote my book, etc., etc. Twitter is great.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 17:36 (three weeks ago) link

I will never log off.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 17:38 (three weeks ago) link

respect

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 17:43 (three weeks ago) link

Twitter is my preferred avenue for receiving promotion from musicians, movie-makers, comic book creators, etc, as well as some small-to-mid-sized scientific accounts, and then just like random "here's a cute picture of a possum!" type stuff. I don't see a lot of negativity in my feed. When I do, I unfollow. I don't see any point in quitting.

peace, man, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 17:47 (three weeks ago) link

i will continue to enjoy Twitter until some dork asks me to pay for it or give them my real name and address or something

Number One shlong in Devon (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 17:52 (three weeks ago) link

I used to bloody love Twitter and met some irl great people whom I still speak to and see. Now, the only tweets I see are on this site; when I do follow a link I always have the same sense of 'fucking hell, thank God I don't spend time here'. It utterly saps me of energy.

So mostly 'no, but I'm thinking about it' I suppose.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 17:54 (three weeks ago) link

why I logged out: I have a (perfectly rational) seething hatred of elon plus I was overdue for a break anyway.

There was something going around (on twitter lol) about returning to Tumblr, which I would honestly consider as that was my best soc med experience but would probably feel very strange

rob, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 17:55 (three weeks ago) link

HOOS is back? Maybe I'll start posting here more again

imago, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 17:57 (three weeks ago) link

Wait, are we not supposed to use products run by companies owned by assholes now?

Obviously Twitter sucks in many ways. But given that I have nostalgia for the text-based internet and don't want to post images or video along with words, it's really the only social media option. And I've made a lot of musical connections there that resulted in real projects. Would love an alternative that didn't somehow turn to garbage, though.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 18:00 (three weeks ago) link

xp with my primary online timewaster no longer palatable to me i've gotta waste my time SOMEwhere you know

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 18:10 (three weeks ago) link

Instagram is too much of a walled garden (you can't even post links!)

wow an occasion to think fondly of instagram, doesn't happen too often anymore

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 18:18 (three weeks ago) link

Wait, are we not supposed to use products run by companies owned by assholes now?

you can do whatever you want?

reading the responses, I do wish I'd made this a survey on which social media platforms people still use in 2022 as that's a more interesting q, though it would also be a pain to make all the poll options

rob, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 19:02 (three weeks ago) link

Where is "I'm already banned"?

Deez NFTs (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 19:06 (three weeks ago) link

oh dang I didn't think about that! I think you can vote "I am Elon Musk"

rob, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 19:08 (three weeks ago) link

the only social media i use is tumblr. don't go there

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 19:08 (three weeks ago) link

xp
wait a minute: banned from twitter, lives in Florida... 🤔

rob, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 19:09 (three weeks ago) link

where am i supposed to post unreasonably niche observations now? a thought i've only just seen.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 20:03 (three weeks ago) link

Fuck no I haven’t deleted my account. Twitter is fucking amazing and has been an enormous net positive in my professional life. Instagram and Facebook can go to hell though.

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 20:07 (three weeks ago) link

l-r: my 401k match, me

me reaction to the news that a social media platform will now be owned by an evil billionaire pic.twitter.com/1tEMrlyjvW

— bolty (@AmbJohnBoIton) April 25, 2022

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 20:09 (three weeks ago) link

I'm just going to simply mute Elon Musk as a topic and live with whatever happens.

calzino, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 20:24 (three weeks ago) link

Years ago. I thought recently of re-upping, but given the current news I'll pass.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 20:25 (three weeks ago) link

twitter is a website for lazy narcissists who are wrong about everything

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 20:47 (three weeks ago) link

hell yeah

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 20:48 (three weeks ago) link

Will there still be a board of directors at twitter or will MUSK be dictator

| (Latham Green), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 23:04 (three weeks ago) link

I chose I will never quit even though I might quit someday. Elon buying Twitter didn't make me want to immediately leave, but I could imagine him running it into the ground. It's perfectly fine now and I'm on there a lot, following the news and my various personal interests. I actively mute anything that doesn't interest me or that I don't want to see, and I steer clear of personalities I outright despise.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 23:10 (three weeks ago) link

elon hasn't bought it yet, deal will close in 3-6 months. so no point quitting now

flopson, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 07:20 (three weeks ago) link

Chose will never quit but depending on what changes get brought in I might. Change of ownership by itself not enough for me, tech giants always owned by horrible people.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 09:51 (three weeks ago) link

I don't see the point of treating the overpriced battery on wheels man as an exceptional scumbag, they're all horrible.

calzino, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 10:05 (three weeks ago) link

Stopped using Twitter in late 2016, exactly 10 years to the day after I joined. Didn't delete my account, but basically unfollowed everyone. Occasionally use it when I want to find something out in real-time, or to read a thread which someone has linked to here. Don't miss it at all.

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 10:13 (three weeks ago) link

Deleted my account 3 weeks or so before Musk joined the board. Was no longer enjoyable or useful to me.

Agree with Calzino that Musk isn't more pernicious than other billionaires. For those who plan to stick with Twitter his plans to loosen the moderation of it are probably still troubling, tho.

Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 11:02 (three weeks ago) link

I like it, I mainly just follow all the retro gaming people and it's all good fun. I follow some comedians too, but have generally found that I only enjoy Blain Capatch stuff. Hopefully whatever happens once the deal is in won't affect my usage, we'll see.

Ste, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 11:07 (three weeks ago) link

Musk is worse/worst on Twitter due to the performative petulance in recent years even if that's mostly 'just' insults against others. But this is pretty much just the 'is Trump the figurehead worse than countless lower profile Republicans? Actually...' argument.

nashwan, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 12:07 (three weeks ago) link

Worse no, more annoying yes. But annoyance is a valid reason to quit a social network, ofc.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 12:42 (three weeks ago) link

No plans to quit. I'm rarely pissed off by content.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 12:47 (three weeks ago) link

twitter is a website for lazy narcissists who are wrong about everything

my running assessment has been "Twitter encourages psychological projection to a point that it feels like that's all the site does"

a legible shriek (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 13:03 (three weeks ago) link

Never signed in but read it. No ads!!!

DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 13:06 (three weeks ago) link

Twitter can’t be all bad, it has @Cats of Yore

DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 13:07 (three weeks ago) link

and fantastic one joke accounts like politicians hair on football managers

calzino, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 13:09 (three weeks ago) link

it was all downhill after Your Aunt Diane stopped tweeting in 2012

https://twitter.com/YourAuntDiane

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 13:24 (three weeks ago) link

I agree tech company owners are universally despicable, but this was the last major thing I read about Musk so I think there's a case to be made that he's even on the bad side of the tech billionaire spectrum: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-03-25/black-tesla-employees-fremont-plant-racism-california-lawsuit

otoh, I still have an IG account and I don't think Elon has facilitated a genocide yet, I'm typing this on a macbook etc.

rob, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 13:46 (three weeks ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/IP36jUH.jpg

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 13:59 (three weeks ago) link

the chaff to wheat ratio on twitter is still too high though better obv than FB (actually FB has gotten better in this regard as I've unfollowed a million things and only look at posts from people I know, but I'm tired of the platform and UI now). that said, twitter has a unique ability to completely ruin my day so I'm going to stop looking at it so often. I avoided it for many years and only got really sucked in during the last year and a half.

akm, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 14:02 (three weeks ago) link

Well ok but...twitter users are not the consumers of twitter products, which are advertising spots and user data. I don't really subscribe to this idea's most extreme versions—if you think of users as unpaid workers you have Terranova's "free labor"; if you prefer to think of them as the product being sold to the real consumers (advertisers) there's Smythe's "audience commodity"; or, popularly, "if the 'product' is free, you are the product." Those theories exclude a lot of what users get out of platforms & broadcast media, but nonetheless it's a fact that user-generated content creates the platform's value, so I don't think it's ridiculous to think about one's participation in social media as different from needing to consume goods and services under capitalism.

rob, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 14:58 (three weeks ago) link

I'd say that a very small percentage of tweets are creating any value

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 15:16 (three weeks ago) link

sorry, I can't tell if that's just a joek or not

rob, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 15:21 (three weeks ago) link

Only sort of. There are something like 500 million tweets per day, and the number of them that achieve high engagement, or are even read by another human, has to be pretty small. So unless you are a power tweeter you are only adding value in a butterfly-flapping-wings sense.

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 16:59 (three weeks ago) link

For me its as simple as weighing the utility of the site against my personal dislike of the oligarch in charge, and as it stands these days Prime Video continues to be good for my brain where Twitter is a dopamine addiction calibrated to piss me off between good jokes and obscure political pals

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 17:34 (three weeks ago) link

xp
Ah ok got it. So I perhaps unhelpfully combined two points:

1) Users create all the content on Twitter. If the users don't tweet, no one will visit twitter.com. This is the "free labor" theory* more or less: that the unwaged labor of tweeting is what creates the bulk of the company's value. It is true that much/most of this content goes essentially unseen, which is one reason likening it to wage labor isn't totally convincing, even apart from the issue of how users understand their own behavior on the network (generally speaking: not as labor). But at any rate, it's still significant that Twitter doesn't employ people to create content or even license it from elsewhere—compare to e.g., Netflix or Spotify—they get it for free from their users.

* tbf Terranova's theory predates the rise of social media and was more applied to people doing things like open-source software development, which more clearly resembles wage labor. It was also applied to blogging (I can't remember if she did that or people picked up on it from her), which also bears a resemblance to the waged labor of media production. OTOH media workers are often expected to tweet as part of their job responsibilities, so some of these lines get murky fast and that's not even mentioning influencers.

2) Users are the audience for all the content on twitter. Twitter sells this audience to advertisers and if you've ever played around with soc med advertiser tools, you'll know this isn't a metaphor, you can get quite specific with demographic targeting. Without users looking at tweets, there is no audience to sell. For advertising, it doesn't really matter which tweets users see, you just need them to pay attention to their feed / the site. And even if you never tweet or like a tweet or even make an account, you will still be sold to advertisers. Plus your behavioral data is commoditized, and, thanks to that, every single tweet holds some value even if no user sees or engages with it.

Sorry if this is all rather 'splainy; I don't have a good sense of how much non-academic people care about this stuff.

rob, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 17:46 (three weeks ago) link

rob, have u read The Twittering Machine?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 17:54 (three weeks ago) link

I have not! Would you recommend it? Seymour is the Lenin's Tomb guy, right?

rob, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 18:02 (three weeks ago) link

yeah correct -- i quite liked it and there's a podcast called Our Regrettable Century hosted by a group of lefty burnouts that did a great three part series on it

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 18:06 (three weeks ago) link

thanking HOOS

rob, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 18:08 (three weeks ago) link

this might be my first 'platform ditching' experiment. i feel like if i take the thing i really like about twitter (art account tweets) and make it more active research 'around the web' and in books on my part, it will be a more engaging and rewarding experience. i also have no professional reason to be on there and few followers. so it might actually take hold if i put in some effort. i guess i might miss being up on everything and having the occasional lol and trawling through random restaurant. but i think that stuff might be worth losing for the peace of mind, and also losing my login seems easier than unfollowing all of the annoying people. i never really understood the feeling of 'social media is a net drain on my life' until ca 2019-2020. like there was still an exciting or funny or engaging aspect to it up until that point. but i have a stronger feeling than ever that i need less of it. instagram for dj stuff and personal fb sounds manageable.

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 18:13 (three weeks ago) link

i guess i don't have to completely avoid the site if i lose my login either, like i can still check brisk god videos if i'm bored and tired lol

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 18:17 (three weeks ago) link

by 'lose my login' i think i mean deleting my account

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 18:23 (three weeks ago) link

the site is really unusable if you don't have an account

(one of the few good things about twitter)

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 18:25 (three weeks ago) link

i deactivated.

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 18:54 (three weeks ago) link

i also have no professional reason to be on there

See this was my mistake, putting all my eggs in DJ Twitter instead of DJ Instagram :)

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 18:57 (three weeks ago) link

perhaps the best solution to fixing Twitter is indeed to turn it off

| (Latham Green), Sunday, 1 May 2022 20:42 (three weeks ago) link

i get most of the best parts of twitter (lit memes) when they show up on discord, and the worst parts of twitter (The Discourse, utter lack of healthy emotional boundaries) are a big part of, well, why i ghosted this site for like 20 months - just trying to learn how to interact with people in an emotionally healthy manner and shit.

Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 1 May 2022 21:05 (three weeks ago) link

it’s good to see you back here :)

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 1 May 2022 21:08 (three weeks ago) link

Kate !!!!

budo jeru, Sunday, 1 May 2022 21:55 (three weeks ago) link

y'all are sweet, good to see you again :)

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 2 May 2022 05:07 (two weeks ago) link

@kate I read someone once saying Twitter was doomed because no one goes there to use it, it just gets repeated on other websites people do use.
But maybe that was too dire a prediction

I actually had to get a Twitter account as part of a class I am taking but luckily I already had one

| (Latham Green), Wednesday, 4 May 2022 13:41 (two weeks ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Monday, 9 May 2022 00:01 (one week ago) link

Ominous

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 9 May 2022 03:53 (one week ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 00:01 (one week ago) link

Only 8 elon socks here

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 01:02 (one week ago) link

elon hasn't bought it yet, deal will close in 3-6 months. so no point quitting now

― flopson, Wednesday, April 27, 2022 3:20 AM (one week ago)

This is kind of where I landed. If Musk actually does any of the deranged stuff he's said he might do, I will delete.

I will say while I recognize the truth of "all company owners are scum," there is something esp galling about how Musk wouldn't just be the owner of twitter he'd also be its most prominent user. Like if every time you bought something on Amazon a little animated Bezos popped up saying "thanks dawg" I would be even more hardcore about avoiding it, or if the app icon for Instagram was Zuckerberg's quasi-human face I would delete it instantly

rob, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 14:17 (one week ago) link

there should be fines on Twitter tbh. i want bad tweeters fined.

Deez NFTs (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 14:27 (one week ago) link


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