what the fuck is happening in Russia?

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With details about post-Soviet politics, and links to relevant background sites, please.

The Quantum Superposition Platform - For Life (MoominTrollin), Tuesday, 29 March 2022 03:02 (one year ago) link

Many Western experts and politicians loved to repeat the story of "rich Russia and poor Ukraine". The fact is, that except of extra rich Moscow and Petersburg, Russia is an underdeveloped country, and average Ukrainian province lives much better than average Russian province.

— Sergej Sumlenny (@sumlenny) March 28, 2022

The Quantum Superposition Platform - For Life (MoominTrollin), Tuesday, 29 March 2022 03:13 (one year ago) link

Thread above compares living conditions in Russia and Ukraine. Link below goes to a reading list from historian Simon Sebag Montefiore.


In the Ukraine thread, we were talking about Timothy Snyder's 2018 book

The Road to Unfreedom
as one perspective on contemporary events in Europe and Russia. If anyone has any recommendations, please post them here as well.

The Quantum Superposition Platform - For Life (MoominTrollin), Tuesday, 29 March 2022 03:28 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I was looking at info that said Ukraine is 23% Russian speaking and like 25% of economic activity, and waaaay more broadly developed economically. I do get the sense it's Russia that's the relative backwater outside of Moscow St. Pete. How do typical (if such a thing exists) Russians see it themselves? Side: I was surprised at the annihilation of Mariupol given it is/was like 95% Russian speaking, but saw something that it was aimed at a particular Oligarch?

The Hon. Christian Sharia (R - MO) (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 29 March 2022 20:06 (one year ago) link

I've read a couple of things recently talking about the centralization of power and that the regions have been getting weaker in recent years, but that also the special military operation is sucking in a lot of Rosgvardiya from those regions?

I remember the Khabarovsk protests from a couple of years ago, where the police (Rosgvardiya?) didn't beat the protestors up (because they were supporting Furgal and the cops also supported him over Moscow?). Whats likely to happen in places like Khabarovsk?

anvil, Wednesday, 30 March 2022 14:06 (one year ago) link


How typical Russians see the situation inside the country, as well as comparative to Ukraine, is a tough question to answer and I'll need a couple days. It's also a bit of a moving target. Do we mean from 1991 to 2014, or 2014 to 2021, or during the war right now? For now, Kamil Galeev has published a series of threads on Twitter that delve into current affairs in Russia. He's not perfect but it's a good start. Regarding the oligarch in Mariupol, I'm not sure but I'll see if I can find anything. At this point the bombing seems like punishment for not surrendering fast enough. Mariupol also barely avoided conquest in 2014, and some people have argued that this is 'payback.'


Once again, Kamil Galeev to the rescue:

In discussing the collapse of Russia and rise of separatist states on its ruins, many focus on ethnic conflicts and identity politics. That's not completely wrong. I'll argue however that the main drivers of collapse will be geographic and socio economic...That will be the major factor of Russian collapse. It's not that regional authorities will suddenly declare independence. They won't, at least for now. It's that they will act in the best interest of their regions. Because if a catastrophe happens there, they'll be blamed for it.

In acting in the best interest of their regions under the deficit of literally everything they'll inevitably stock up, thus breaking supply lines and technological chains...

Russia won't fall because of collective morally justified action. It's cohesion will be broken by its own officials aiming to avoid catastrophe in their own region. That will be a de facto economic separatism, political one will come much later

Khabarovsk is an interesting case because it's about as far from the Moscow power center as you can get. You may have read that on the whole, this region tends to be more independent, hence Furgal's defiance and his arrest sparking massive protests.


Despite the huge crowds of people, though, the protests did not change anything politically. For the center, it may also have seemed counterproductive to clamp down on them and risk an even bigger backlash. Why not just let them peter out like the Hong Kong protests a few years back? Then they could divide them up into new provinces:


The operation is definitely sucking in Rosgvardia from all over Russia. Documents from soldiers in Ukraine, and some POWs themselves, have also confirmed this.* One bit of anecdotal evidence: a recent protester was called in to a police office was surprised to see it staffed exclusively by women. Maybe all of the men were gone fishing? Some are refusing to go, though:


*this could vary region by region, though. Judging by arrest videos from the last month, Moscow especially still seems very heavily staffed

In discussing the collapse of Russia and rise of separatist states on its ruins, many focus on ethnic conflicts and identity politics. That's not completely wrong. I'll argue however that the main drivers of collapse will be geographic and socio economic

— Kamil Galeev (@kamilkazani) March 26, 2022

The Quantum Superposition Platform - For Life (MoominTrollin), Wednesday, 30 March 2022 15:04 (one year ago) link


Also Holy wow the length of that thread!

The Hon. Christian Sharia (R - MO) (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 30 March 2022 16:28 (one year ago) link

I've read quite a few of Kamil Galeev's twitter threads. I noticed he was talking about the role of organized crime recently (though I'm still not sure how distinct that is as a thing from siloviki?)

I saw an intervew with Khodorovsky from 2017 recently where he said Putin had lost much of his power and organized crime was running the show, but in his recent interviews he makes no mention of organized crime and seems to say Putin is running the show. I imagine he's not particularly trustworthy

anvil, Friday, 1 April 2022 07:50 (one year ago) link

I imagine he's not particularly trustworthy

Anvil do you mean Galeev or Khodorkovsky? I see Galeev as an interesting commentator but definitely not the last word when it comes to explaining Russia. I've seen some criticism of him on Twitter as well, and ended up following those people also, to get their own perspective as well.

If you meant Khodorkovsky, I've seen very little of what he has to say about Russia, and so can't speak to his trustworthiness.

The Quantum Superposition Platform - For Life (MoominTrollin), Friday, 1 April 2022 11:55 (one year ago) link

I meant Khodorkovsky (being untrustworthy) though I don't really know, just seen him saying contradictory things at different time, no that that necessarily means anything

Not seeing any particular reason to doubt anything I've seen that Galeev has said, a lot of it is opinion anyway but I've not read anything that seems untoward. I would unfollow if I got that sense

anvil, Friday, 1 April 2022 12:04 (one year ago) link

Has anyone else here seen Alex Gibney's doc on Khodorkovsky from 2019? It's a great doc, even accounting for Khodorkovsky's own interests and agenda. Curious as to what he's leaving out of the story.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 2 April 2022 06:44 (one year ago) link

Yes, I’ve seen. Enjoyed it but can’t remember much now, unfortunately. I do remember some acquaintance from Russian saying Khodorkovsky was “still a bad guy.”

Oh no, never mind, I saw the one from 2011.

How organic is this pro-russia convoy/rally in Berlin? I've saw there was one in Thessaloniki too, but I got impression that was local cranks/fascists and smaller and less organized.

anvil, Monday, 4 April 2022 10:08 (one year ago) link

Suggestions the moon is thinking of applying to join NATO meet a stiff response etc etc


anvil, Tuesday, 12 April 2022 13:58 (one year ago) link

Maersk (you know, the #2 shipping company on the planet) leaving the Russian market.


but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 14 April 2022 15:49 (one year ago) link

Yes. That is huge.

Putin's bravado in the face of sanctions, announcing that the Russian Federation is large enough to go it alone, was nonsensical. If things continue along this road for another few years Russia will be reduced to a nation of starvation and chaos. Or else it will become a wholly owned subsidiary of China, Inc.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 14 April 2022 18:06 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Apparently Navalny is "missing"

“There is no such convict here. We do not know where Alexei is now and what colony they are taking him to,” Alexei Navalny's press secretary, Kira Yarmysh, said https://t.co/c37hXp0iQM

— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) June 14, 2022

StanM, Tuesday, 14 June 2022 18:16 (one year ago) link

Putin knows that if he has Navalny killed he will be strongly condemned by the great majority of the international community, for the 250th time.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 18:25 (one year ago) link

I was thinking about the Belarus protests the other day and how they dissipated. I'd read that initially Lukashenko had been employing old brittle monolithic soviet style propaganda and which was ineffective. But at a certain point had brought in Russian propagandists (or Putin forced them on him?) and changed tack to the more purposefully contradictory, disorienting, flexible, 'post-truth' stuff we're familiar with elsewhere - turning protestors against each other, sowing division and distrust

I can't tell if Russia's internal propaganda and media messaging is kind of moving in the opposite direction, a more brittle monolithic messaging, tighter control. I feel like February and Z IS an explicit change from passivity to energized population, that seems to lead simultaneously to a stronger dog but a weaker lead

anvil, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 05:00 (one year ago) link


The hurried rebranding means employees are seemingly scribbling out the Golden Arches from McDonald's ketchup packets to reuse for Vkusno & tochka.

the McNuggets are now apparently just called.. 'nuggets'

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 21:22 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Destroy both says everyone else.

Tom D: I was in the army (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 July 2022 14:43 (one year ago) link

Did Z a solid by knocking ukraine out of the world cup tbf

Led By Honkies (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 20 July 2022 15:01 (one year ago) link

Moscow-vetted queen what?

big movers, hot steppers + long shaker intros (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 20 July 2022 16:02 (one year ago) link

I've read a certain amount about Ukrainians forcibly taken into Russia (1.5-2m), but not really all that much about why. Other than attempting to crush any dissent and intimidate. But is there more to it? Whats their longer term plan for them?

anvil, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 19:17 (one year ago) link

There's a bunch of articles I've seen but they're largely about the process itself: filtration camps, destinations as far away as the other side of Russia (Vladivostok, for instance).

The initial explanation for getting them out of Ukraine is that in places like Mariupol, Russia either did not allow, or simply shelled and shot up the corridors to Ukraine; refugees were thus 'encouraged' to go in the other direction, sometimes given to understand that it's as simple as "you can die, or go to Russia."

There doesn't seem to be any rational, or even irrational 'policy' reason for this to be happening except for the very dubious PR factor of making it look like Russia is taking in its poor, long-lost Ukrainian 'brothers.' There is even an underground network of Russian volunteers working hard to get them back OUT of the country, for ex: through the border by Georgia, or to the Baltics through St. Petersburg.

There's also the fact of the declining Russian birth rate and the numerous cases of kids being separated from their parents, or orphans being taken into the country, but I wouldn't go as far as saying it is *the* reason because it's too malicious and depressing to contemplate.

Then again, as is often the case in this war: the cruelty is the point.

State Planning Committee for Color Revolutions (MoominTrollin), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 19:42 (one year ago) link

On the subject of destroying England but not Wales, I remember devouring books about nuclear war when I was younger - because of "Two Tribes" and nuclear paranoia - and one of them pointed out that a chain of about six megaton-range nuclear groundbursts in a line parallel with the England/Wales border would render England uninhabitable for decades. By extension England also means London, which means the entire United Kingdom.

Looking at NUKEMAP this does appear to be the case, because the prevailing winds are from the west and southwest. An 800kt bomb detonated on Portsmouth would spread fallout over London, which wouldn't destroy the city but would tank the economy, because no-one is going to want to work in the Square Mile if they have to spend every day locked inside a hermetically-sealed bunker. It would be futile burning £50 notes in the faces of homeless people because they would all be blind.

In real life the Russians did apparently have Cardiff on their target list. There was even a nuclear survival bunker in the city. Wisely the people who designed it didn't put it underneath a large building, unlike in Threads:

I do wonder how the average Russian feels about Ukraine. Especially bearing in mind that sharp generational gap. From a British perspective the only remotely comparable scenario would have been an invasion of Ireland during the height of the Troubles, perhaps on the back of the discovery of North Sea Oil. Ted Heath would have been pilloried by the international community, particularly the United States, but he could have argued that Britain was self-sufficient. But it's very difficult to comprehend something like that happening so it's hard to put myself in the position of a Russian person contemplating a mechanised invasion of next door.

A while back some Russian soldiers were irradiated after being ordered to dig trenches in the vicinity of Chernobyl:

Supposedly because none of the soldiers had heard of the Chernobyl disaster, because they were born in the 2000s and it just isn't featured in the Russian media. Does the average Russian teenager even know that Ukraine is a thing? They're unlikely to go there on holiday, so why would they even know it exists?

Ashley Pomeroy, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 19:53 (one year ago) link

I do wonder how the average Russian feels about Ukraine.
Does the average Russian teenager even know that Ukraine is a thing?

This was linked earlier in the Ukraine thread but might be new to you:


I haven't seen this yet but it appears to cover the same ground:


State Planning Committee for Color Revolutions (MoominTrollin), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 20:06 (one year ago) link

English subs, of course.

State Planning Committee for Color Revolutions (MoominTrollin), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 20:07 (one year ago) link

There's also the fact of the declining Russian birth rate and the numerous cases of kids being separated from their parents, or orphans being taken into the country, but I wouldn't go as far as saying it is *the* reason because it's too malicious and depressing to contemplate.

This is what I had been wondering about, I'd not seen it mentioned explicitly, or even implicitly really. The declining birth rate, ageing society, population pyramid are a problem, but it being perceived as a problem is another matter still, nevermind thinking 'lets steal people' being a solution! And yet...over 1% of the people in Russia are Ukrainians that have been taken

anvil, Wednesday, 27 July 2022 04:39 (one year ago) link

i think sending it ties into a scheme ongoing since the 2010s or before and obviously connected to what happened in the previous century to rebuild the far east demographically, turning it into a viable asia pacific logistics and trade hub. there haven't been many takers for resettlement schemes. but ukrainians don't have much choice, i guess. tass reports 2800 people will be sent to primorsky or khabarovsk by the end of the year: https://1sn.ru/bolee-800-ukrainskix-bezencev-pribyli-v-xabarovskii-i-primorskii-kraya-za-poslednie-sutki.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Wednesday, 27 July 2022 11:14 (one year ago) link

New Yale study says that whatever the Kremlin is claiming publicly, their economy is going to hell in a hand basket:


Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 29 July 2022 21:59 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

so close- what a tragedy

Left, Sunday, 21 August 2022 11:46 (one year ago) link

Denazification begins at home.

borrowed Ostalgia for the unremembered 80s (MoominTrollin), Sunday, 21 August 2022 13:40 (one year ago) link

Is this more likely to be FSB or similar?

anvil, Monday, 22 August 2022 04:46 (one year ago) link

Compact magazine claimed that Dugin and his daughter are "anti-fascist"—This is total bullshit.https://t.co/Db9Lvu9laM

— John Ganz (@lionel_trolling) August 22, 2022

xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 August 2022 14:56 (one year ago) link

"The war in Ukraine is not happening in isolation. While Russia is contesting the US-led security order in Europe, China is challenging it in Asia. A geopolitical transition has begun whose results may not be fully apparent for decades. But the post-cold war order that has governed the world for the past 30 years is drawing to a close. From its demise, a new balance of power will emerge."


xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 23 August 2022 07:57 (one year ago) link

Meanwhile in Russia

📅 Today marks 83 years since the signing of the Treaty of Non-Aggression between Germany and the USSR.

📹 Watch our retrospective video for information on the state of affairs in Europe prior to the signing of this document.

🔗 https://t.co/0oj5eo5QbC pic.twitter.com/mxyonaFXDt

— MFA Russia 🇷🇺 (@mfa_russia) August 23, 2022

Mearsheimer-Leninism is a hell of a drug (MoominTrollin), Tuesday, 23 August 2022 17:03 (one year ago) link

they missed the bit out where hundreds of thousands of the Red Army died/got captured because Stalin wouldn't believe his own NKVD agents' multiple reports on an imminent invasion. But I agree with some of the Brit bashing!

calzino, Tuesday, 23 August 2022 17:14 (one year ago) link

Speaking of Brit bashing -

On the one hand, the 1939 William Strang mission to Moscow was a last-ditch effort doomed to failure. On the other hand, why the fuck did they pick this guy to begin with:

During the late-1930s, Strang was a member of the Anglo-German Fellowship, which was pro-Nazi.

Strang became of interest to an undercover MI5 agent, Eric Roberts, who was operating under the pretense of working for the Gestapo, with the intention of identifying potential fifth columnists. In 1943, he reported on one of the diplomat's female friends who was possibly his lover.[5] Unaware of her connections, Strang had told her "that he personally hated the Jews and regarded the Bolsheviks and the Jews as the two greatest enemies of all that is decent".

borrowed Ostalgia for the unremembered 80s (MoominTrollin), Tuesday, 23 August 2022 19:29 (one year ago) link

Not exactly outlandish views in the Tory Party at the time I would have thought.

Buckfast At Tiffany's (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 August 2022 19:33 (one year ago) link

Stafford Cripps didn't have much success in Moscow either. Maisky noted in his diary that they much preferred negging with out and out Tory shits rather than Labour people of the British left.

calzino, Tuesday, 23 August 2022 19:49 (one year ago) link

Zelenskyy has ratified Law 5371.
Workers now have no right to bargain, and trade unions cannot protect them. pic.twitter.com/SUauiTqmaH

— The International Magazine (@TheIntlMagz) August 23, 2022

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 08:34 (one year ago) link

Russia's best and brightest are firebombing military conscription centres. https://t.co/ezH1eatNdG

— libcom.org (@libcomorg) August 24, 2022


This train is on fire: how Russian partisans set fire to military registration and enlistment offices and derail trains.

borrowed Ostalgia for the unremembered 80s (MoominTrollin), Thursday, 25 August 2022 15:10 (one year ago) link

Loving the sneaky lil Z in Unionize there

anvil, Thursday, 25 August 2022 15:24 (one year ago) link


Some disturbing news coming out of Latvia by the looks of it too

anvil, Thursday, 25 August 2022 15:28 (one year ago) link


On tbe other hand, they look to have found some good news in Kherson

anvil, Thursday, 25 August 2022 15:31 (one year ago) link

Putin is increasingly isolated 👀!!!!


Lord Pickles (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 31 December 2022 19:03 (eight months ago) link

Has a special TV channel where he watches sables fight each other to the death

Lord Pickles (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 31 December 2022 19:04 (eight months ago) link

Feel like I've been seeing variations on that article since the day the invasion started.

Twa pehs an' an ingin ane an' aw (Tom D.), Saturday, 31 December 2022 19:14 (eight months ago) link

Putin is not isolated from his secret police and state surveillance apparatus. So don't worry, he's still OK.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 31 December 2022 19:23 (eight months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Great piece on the politics of protest in Russia and with a bit on Belarus.

I've been frustrated, depressed and alarmed at this "what's wrong with Russians for not rising up" debate, which I find dishonest, venal and dangerous. Since it's not going away, I took a stab at it. With lots of personal stories from Russia and beyond.⬇️https://t.co/E7PybmRQIs

— Almut Rochowanski (@rochowanski) January 11, 2023

xyzzzz__, Friday, 27 January 2023 14:11 (seven months ago) link

I don't think anyone believes that Russians are not overthrowing their government because the population is egoistic and doesn't feel that strongly about the war in Ukraine or their own woes. Unless you know nothing of the world and where unhappy populations are controlled and repressed.

Nabozo, Friday, 27 January 2023 14:41 (seven months ago) link

One up-and-coming Ukrainian journalist tweeted in all seriousness that Russians, unlike Ukrainians, “just don’t have a history of revolutions” (I’m not linking to her tweet, because that would be unkind).


INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Friday, 27 January 2023 14:43 (seven months ago) link

Ha, that could either be deep sarcasm or maybe an implicit "at least not GOOD ones."

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 January 2023 14:46 (seven months ago) link

I don't think anyone believes that Russians are not overthrowing their government because the population is egoistic and doesn't feel that strongly about the war in Ukraine or their own woes. Unless you know nothing of the world and where unhappy populations are controlled and repressed.

― Nabozo, Friday, 27 January 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Part of it is responding to discourse on twitter where sadly people do go off.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 27 January 2023 14:47 (seven months ago) link

nazism in ukraine

CerebralCaustic, Friday, 27 January 2023 16:22 (seven months ago) link

Watched two of the BBC's Putin vs The West three part doc.

There's a lot of predictable hypocritical shit from those you'd expect (the UK PMs and associated high-ups especially). Talk of Russians bombing hospitals in Aleppo and then going back to hit them again (no suggestion of this being anything other than calculated)...no mention of Western Allies also hitting hospitals (if only via misdirection or incompetence) which was documented at the time.

Maybe the only worthwhile bits are when people, albeit with obvious bias, are quoting Putin and the contrast between those quotes demonstrating his blinkered ideological rhetoric and the predictable framing elsewhere in the doc of Putin as master poker player. Particularly in this case the late night bickering between Cameron and Putin that ensued after negotiations broke down with Cameron claiming he brought up LGBT rights ahead of Sochi 2014 only for Putin to actually trot out the 'if I give those rights we will have even fewer babies' as a defence.

All the footage of Putin (and Medvedev) hanging out in London, France, meeting Biden and Obama etc. only 8-10 years ago does look like from some distant parallel reality now.

nashwan, Thursday, 2 February 2023 11:01 (seven months ago) link

two months pass...

This St.Petersburg cafe explosion thing seems fishy.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 3 April 2023 21:29 (five months ago) link

whatever the russian media reports will be what the russian government (aka Putin) thinks will gain him the most pro-war propaganda value. beyond that it's anyone's guess.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 3 April 2023 22:46 (five months ago) link

dunno what could be fishy about a propagandist blogger killed by an exploding trophy at a cafe owned by a mercenary warlord engaged in a power struggle with the ministry of defense

The only thing fishy is that the blogger dude didn't fall out a window while having a cigarette

Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 3 April 2023 23:07 (five months ago) link

This makes me think it was an explosive rigged Billy Bass trophy that took this guy out.

The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 00:56 (five months ago) link

Film from Putin's latest cabinet meeting...


Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 07:02 (five months ago) link

5 1/4" Male Baseball Explosion Trophy Hand Painted Resin These Hand Painted resin trophies feature an Exploding Design that Explodes Right Out at You!

calzino, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 10:34 (five months ago) link


Simeon Boikov with a list of suggestions of Australians and New Zealanders to Prigozhin to capture for a potential prisoner exchange between Russia and Australia

anvil, Thursday, 6 April 2023 02:43 (five months ago) link

Probably more for the sovereign citizen thread, I'm not sure Prigozhin has time for this cat at the moment

anvil, Thursday, 6 April 2023 02:59 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

Pretty interesting article on the relationship between Putin and the Russian vodka industry, including a history of just why vodka is so important to the Russian treasury:


Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 00:10 (four months ago) link

Yeah read that yesterday — fascinating deep dive.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 00:40 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Dodik back in Moscow again, not a good sign

anvil, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 19:48 (four months ago) link

OK Roman Super is a great real name.

nashwan, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 20:42 (four months ago) link

four weeks pass...

So, uh...

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 June 2023 19:58 (three months ago) link

Following news that the FSB has charged Prigozhin with inciting an armed rebellion, he’s suddenly gone silent on Telegram...

— Kevin Rothrock (@KevinRothrock) June 23, 2023

Last seen hanging from a window ledge by his fingertips while black-suited men stamp on his hands

darts macabre (Matt #2), Friday, 23 June 2023 20:23 (three months ago) link


Interesting interview with Russian volunteer medic who was on the Kharkiv front. The interviewer struggling a little bit but does a good job, though the guy is a touch unnerving

anvil, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 19:40 (two months ago) link


Part II

A little less intense but might just be that I got used to his weird laughing at stuff. Thought the interviewer did a good job in keeping himself to a minimum

anvil, Thursday, 6 July 2023 07:20 (two months ago) link

its pretty long altogether, nearly 2 hours, so there's a lot in it

- Has treated and worked with Wagner people, good guys and professional
- Doesn’t know whats behind Prigozhin’s recent turn, maybe the war changed him.
- Almost all injuries treated from mines or artillery, almost no bullet wounds of any kind
- Since going back to Moscow has received a lot of praise and gratitude from people for having the balls to go to the SMO
- Sanctions havent affected him personally other than unable to install Zoom on his phone
- Banking apps are more sophisticated in Russian than UK or Germany
- Corruption is normal in every country but has declined since the start of the SMO
- Support for the military is high, same for PMCs. There are a few percent against it but these malcontents exist in every country
- Ukrainians, Moldovans, and the Baltics are separatists and should be treated as such. Not real countries. Equivalent of Wales or Catalonia. I think same for everyone in post-soviet space but didn’t elaborate or mention specifically, and interviewer didn’t ask
- Has some level of respect for Ukrainians but they must understand they have to live within Russian borders
- Bucha was a psyop
- Hasn’t seen any torture or mistreatment only things like punching pows in the face nothing more serious. Hasn’t treated many Ukrainian POWs though, mostly Russians
- Constitution protects freedom of speech you might get a fine but thats probably it
- Nuclear strike is very unlikely because why would Russia strike their own lands
- War will be won but will probably need to draft another million
- “Loves the tsar hates laws passed by the Duma” (said a little tongue in cheek)
- Putin still thought of well, but is more of an arbiter than a dictator. There is no alternative anyway
- Everyone understands war was inevitable but why didn’t Putin do it in 2014. Too timid?
- Russia has been too soft. We know where the politicians live why do we not bomb them?

anvil, Thursday, 6 July 2023 07:32 (two months ago) link

Blandly declaring that the nearly 50 million people who live in Ukraine, Moldava, or the Baltic nations must simply reconcile themselves to being reabsorbed by Russia because, uh, just because this is what they must do. Very persuasive.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 6 July 2023 16:30 (two months ago) link

Ehh, pretty sure Wales is a real country

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 6 July 2023 16:45 (two months ago) link


Foot Heads Arms Body (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 July 2023 17:03 (two months ago) link

Blandly declaring that the nearly 50 million people who live in Ukraine, Moldava, or the Baltic nations must simply reconcile themselves to being reabsorbed by Russia because, uh, just because this is what they must do. Very persuasive.

I don't think he's particularly interested in persuasion. Its more a statement of fact as he sees it and that this would likely require force (which seems a strange tense to use as it is already requiring force). I don't know that there is anyone to persuade

anvil, Friday, 7 July 2023 14:01 (two months ago) link

Its more a statement of fact as he sees it

I understand, but there are no facts about the future, just beliefs.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 7 July 2023 16:36 (two months ago) link

For millions of people it is already a fact, and if he re-enlists for another stint he will be in the business of attempting to make it a fact for more . He is relatively explicit about this, and as a participant this is more than just beliefs

anvil, Friday, 7 July 2023 16:48 (two months ago) link


Asked whether the Wagner Private Military Company would remain a fighting unit, Putin seemingly became agitated.

“‘Well, the PMC Wagner does not exist!’ Vladimir Putin exclaimed,” according to Kommersant.


West has become a brutal caricature of himself. This is what happens when you are so committed to your liberationist philosophy that you believe that foreign invaders shld be allowed to amputate vast swathes of territory from countries they don’t believe shld be allowed to exist. https://t.co/rJ8zPKujQp

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) July 14, 2023

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 July 2023 12:26 (two months ago) link

Western aid, such as it was, came after Russian occupation, and Urkraine is still not in NATO. On this subject, West is kneejerk at best, like Chomsky and lesser lights/

For millions of people it is already a fact
What is?

dow, Friday, 14 July 2023 14:08 (two months ago) link

Living under Russian occupation

anvil, Friday, 14 July 2023 14:12 (two months ago) link

I like how for many, ending the war means Ukraine makes all the concessions.

Gerard Grisey Funk (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 14 July 2023 14:26 (two months ago) link

To end the Iraq War, Iraq should have made compromises on territory.

Gerard Grisey Funk (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 14 July 2023 14:27 (two months ago) link

"I am not pro-putin but my positions happen to give Russia all the advantages."

Gerard Grisey Funk (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 14 July 2023 14:28 (two months ago) link

Not to defend West, but unless Russia just gives up, it seems unlikely that this will end without Ukraine ceding at least some territory, if not to Russia then perhaps to some quasi-independent statelet a la Transnistria.

o. nate, Friday, 14 July 2023 18:36 (two months ago) link

they've definitely sold the war to Russians as a purely defensive one, I don't think they talk much about de-Nazification anymore.. now it's an existential battle for the Motherland

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 14 July 2023 18:42 (two months ago) link

Strelkov arrested on charges of extremism. Wonder why now?

anvil, Friday, 21 July 2023 11:27 (two months ago) link

Gubarev as well and possibly Alknis, the Angry Patriots being targeted but unclear how serious

anvil, Friday, 21 July 2023 17:26 (two months ago) link

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