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We got a Kirk sighting

‘Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’ Finds Its James T. Kirk With Paul Wesley

— Deadline Hollywood (@DEADLINE) March 15, 2022

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 17 March 2022 22:19 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Okay, premiere episode today! Which I haven't seen yet but soon enough.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 May 2022 21:02 (one year ago) link

My natural scepticism kept me from fully enjoying the fan service bits. It was fine, I guess. Better a low-key opener that turns into something solid than an amazingly flashy and promising first episode that turns into me giving up on the show after a season and a half.

trishyb, Thursday, 5 May 2022 22:58 (one year ago) link

need a history of star trek sideburns

mookieproof, Friday, 6 May 2022 00:10 (one year ago) link

Yeah "low key opener" is a good way to describe it, it was fun and straightforward enough and got a reasonable amount of info dumping done. More than anything I absolutely think this nails the 'what if 1960s Big Ideas Optimistic Trek with 2020s production values' mode, so I'm already in for the rest of the season.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 May 2022 03:12 (one year ago) link

A little heavy handed toward the end but a solid B+, just happy to have a Trek episode where the survival of all existence doesn’t hinge on that 45 minutes.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 6 May 2022 03:56 (one year ago) link

ned otm

it succeeded in trying to do what TOS sometimes did, referring to current events but in a way that ~comforts~ the viewer, like trying to provide a modicum of hope as a mixer with the escapism & i appreciated the attempt because idk i kind of needed it right now? i finished the ep feeling like yes, this is how it should feel. i am a cornball though too so ymmv

it feels rooted in the past in ways that arent just fanservice so i hope that continues to pay off bc man i really love this cast

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 May 2022 06:05 (one year ago) link

Feels good to be hyped for next week's ST episode instead of wondering which kind of terrible it will be this time.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 6 May 2022 06:09 (one year ago) link

also La’an Noonien Singh/Christina Chong is A+

total Camina Drummer from Expanse vibes, freaked out for a minute bc i thought it was the same actor lol

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 May 2022 06:10 (one year ago) link

xpost otm

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 May 2022 06:10 (one year ago) link

My mom texted me to ask if that was Drummer and if their alien modifications were supposed to make them look like Buffy vampires.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 6 May 2022 06:16 (one year ago) link

lol <3

there’s something about forehead appliances in effects makeup, maybe bc they often widen the space between the eyes, it is SO easy to veer into that Buffy look, it’s weirdly common like i think ppl just accept that its an ok look. i kinda wish we could get away from it myself. it even happens in cgi.

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 May 2022 06:27 (one year ago) link

the spock/t’pring scenes were great

worried about la’an’s surname(s), because enough already

anson mount’s hair is v. tall

mookieproof, Friday, 6 May 2022 12:40 (one year ago) link

Hmm, could have handled this differently.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 May 2022 23:31 (one year ago) link

worried about la’an’s surname(s), because enough already

I get Noonien-Singh and Noonien-Soongh mixed up sometimes. I had to check which one this was. I do hope it's just a nod to tradition and it's not going to be A Thing.

trishyb, Saturday, 7 May 2022 12:49 (one year ago) link


— joegross (@joegross) May 7, 2022

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 7 May 2022 17:16 (one year ago) link

omg totally! same energy as the kids would say

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 May 2022 18:58 (one year ago) link

Glad I'm not the only one thinking that was the Drummer actress. Was a bit surprised it wasn't when I looked at Imdb.

Quite fun 1st episode I guess.
Didn't quite get how much earlier it is.

Stevolende, Saturday, 7 May 2022 21:58 (one year ago) link

i thought this was good and so regretfully suppose i will continue paying paramount plus their trek tax for the next couple of months

spent probably a little too much time yesterday mentally workshopping convoluted scenarios whereby chris pike might avoid his melty fate, which probably means that i like the character

lemmy incaution (emsworth), Monday, 9 May 2022 01:34 (one year ago) link

omg that's my friend dan!!

sean gramophone, Monday, 9 May 2022 01:59 (one year ago) link

i really like that they introduced it so early on in Discovery, because it allows Mount to do more acting-wise with the character imo

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 May 2022 02:08 (one year ago) link

Yeah it has to be a given we know his fate, right? They cant fuck with that fact at least. Surely.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 9 May 2022 03:43 (one year ago) link

It’s canon a couple times over, and if they try to timey wimey it people will be pissed.

I thought this was fine and is a welcome change from Disco and Picard nonsense, but the limits of Trekian optimism butting heads with trying to comment on contemporary ills really showed some strain and the resolution felt way too easily gotten.

Star Trek: Strange New Wordles (Leee), Monday, 9 May 2022 04:14 (one year ago) link

anson's gonna melt, but it's like a decade away

somewhat awkward in that, while he talks about foreseeing his death, the melting won't actually kill him

this has not gone over well with disabled trek fans

just hope these characters can do something/anything better than being diverse and talking a lot. already like that one officer complaining about shit happening on her watch

mookieproof, Monday, 9 May 2022 04:24 (one year ago) link

yeah we can only hope

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 May 2022 04:52 (one year ago) link

i think that aspect adds dimension

ie pike seeing the future & ~interpreting~ it as his death

yet we know that isnt the case

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 May 2022 04:58 (one year ago) link

No I think he knows its not his death! He said something like "I saw my death... well, the death of me as I know me" or similar, suggesting what was left might as well have been dead? Which I can see disabled people having an issue with tbrh

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 9 May 2022 07:19 (one year ago) link

As for me, I cant get past thinking of it like this.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 9 May 2022 07:21 (one year ago) link

This was good:

"Betrayal" is a bit strong (I'm not sure Roddenberry had significant enough morals to betray) but the piece makes some good points without falling into fannish entitlement

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 9 May 2022 09:26 (one year ago) link

Oh and nu-Chapel seems great and I loved T'pring's retro-futurist makeup.

Star Trek: Strange New Wordles (Leee), Monday, 9 May 2022 21:13 (one year ago) link

Nu-Chapel seemed very familiar but then I realized it was just the Phoebe Bridgers hair, pretty sure I've never seen her in anything else.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 9 May 2022 22:13 (one year ago) link

I mean really, someone who is so disabled they cant move or speak and have to control a wheelchair with their mind and are just basically a floating head, doesnt sound like a life, disability advocacy is one thing but cmon. This isnt "the mere act of sitting in a wheelchair".

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 9 May 2022 22:21 (one year ago) link

I rather liked this new episode, had the exact setup of a classic one-off but with plenty of its own distinct touches and interactions between characters.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 May 2022 00:43 (one year ago) link

only 5 minutes into this new ep but just dropping in to say that Christopher Pike's high hair is doing a LOT of important work on this show

lemmy incaution (emsworth), Friday, 13 May 2022 01:22 (one year ago) link

already know more about pike's bridge crew than i've learned in four seasons about discovery's

take sides: pike's hair vs. spock's sideburns

i do think it's been well done so far, but i hope the entire season/series isn't haunted by pike's ~fate~. after all, he does love this job

mookieproof, Friday, 13 May 2022 02:06 (one year ago) link

this show is a real pleasure so far - absolutely nailing it but in an almost understated way

yep I reckon the character work is great (especially vs Disco) - that early scene in Pike's quarters had me grinning - feels like they have uncovered some ancient wisdom from a lost civilisation that "likeable characters that you wanna spend 1hr/week with" is a good TV formula

I've found the 'haunted by future' aspect quite interesting so far - feels like they might be building it into a slow burn plot development rather than just brooding about it? as you say mookieproof, it has been done with a fairly light touch thus far - I'm sure the device must have been used before? but it definitely adds something here, and I think stops Pike from being a bit one dimensional... and dare I say even adds a touch of profundity to the whole thing?

lemmy incaution (emsworth), Friday, 13 May 2022 02:36 (one year ago) link

Some very bad CGI this week, not a big deal but the Shepherd captain on the view screen looked baaaaaad.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 13 May 2022 04:17 (one year ago) link

Some very bad CGI this week, not a big deal but the Shepherd captain on the view screen looked baaaaaad.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 13 May 2022 04:17 (one year ago) link

Some very bad CGI this week, not a big deal but the Shepherd captain on the view screen looked baaaaaad.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 13 May 2022 04:17 (one year ago) link

kept getting an error in Safari, oops.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 13 May 2022 04:18 (one year ago) link

tbf he was probably actually clint howard in prosthetics

mookieproof, Friday, 13 May 2022 04:20 (one year ago) link

no need to bang on about it milo jeez <3

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 13 May 2022 22:01 (one year ago) link

Rob Bricken with a solid rave for the show that hits a lot of good points we've mentioned in the thread and elsewhere:

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 May 2022 23:53 (one year ago) link

i just noticed spock’s sideburns have a slightly arty curve to them & i hate it

pike’s hair however is majestic & i am here for it

really enjoyed this ep,

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 May 2022 05:38 (one year ago) link

I am hoping his hair gets higher every episode.

trishyb, Saturday, 14 May 2022 11:25 (one year ago) link

I kept thinking of this
except I was remembering it as going up wards as well as forward.

Maybe memory incorporating bits of one or both of these which are of a similar vintage I think. Certainly saw them a couple of decades back

Stevolende, Saturday, 14 May 2022 11:56 (one year ago) link

i just noticed spock’s sideburns have a slightly arty curve to them & i hate it

That's how he shows emotion. When pon farr hits they turn into majestic whorls.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 May 2022 14:23 (one year ago) link


terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 May 2022 17:47 (one year ago) link

I thought the editing was a little slack, but as stated making these characters believable people with real personalities is a welcome change of pace from Disco.

I'm warming up to Peck, I'm pretty sure that his "I apply rigorous logic to defuse tension" was meant as a joke and his little look of disappointment at Uhura not acknowledging it was a small treasure.

Santa Barbarous (Leee), Saturday, 14 May 2022 20:09 (one year ago) link

yeah i loved that

i think peck is great, but i was a fan from the off when he first showed up in Disco

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 May 2022 20:50 (one year ago) link

loved the striped lighting on pike's face when he (for no good reason at all) came forward to address his (kinda underwhelming) adversary.

lol'd school shit

mookieproof, Friday, 8 July 2022 02:00 (eleven months ago) link

I suppose Anson Mount is already Shatnering pretty well, so having someone try to go toe-to-toe with him on the same level would just be unworkable.

trishyb, Friday, 8 July 2022 02:01 (eleven months ago) link

the other captain/pike's girlfriend/una arrester is also a long-time recurring character on letterkenny (because canada)

and whenever she's onscreen it seems wrong if she's not muttering i just want to get into a cocksuckin' gin and tonic, that's all i'm sayin'

mookieproof, Friday, 8 July 2022 04:54 (eleven months ago) link

you guys this ruled SO MUCH

afterwards we went back & rewatched TOS “Balance of Terror” & there is SO MUCH they referenced in the new ep, like whole dialogue, camera angles, scenes, it’s wild. highly recommend going back, it’s really worth it.

also i think new-Kirk was mild on purpose because rewatching the TOS ep Pike is doing all the Shatner references! - i didnt realize at the time but it’s clever how they subbed him in directly for irl Kirk

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 July 2022 05:47 (eleven months ago) link

I didn't really love this one. It was fine but Kirk was a dud - Anson Mount has been delightfully Kirking it up all season, the actual Kirk could have been named literally anything else and it wouldn't have occurred to me that he was playing ol' James T.. The bridge crew seemed weird in scenes like the ready room - they didn't read like people who had been serving together for seven years at this point.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 8 July 2022 06:07 (eleven months ago) link

I didn't find Kirk very Kirky but not 100% sure what that would be exactly. Does one have to up the wood or something.
& be a bit chubbbier.
Like not sure what qualities are not cospacial with being played by a mid 60s William Shatner. But just didn't come away from this guy going oh yeah that was definitely the same character if you hadn't heard the name and seen him engaging with his brother etc.

But enjoyed the episode and looking forward to the next season.
Interesting to hear the approximation of that familiar character's voice. Still wondering when he actually joined the ship and if his relationship to the ship doesn't indicate a longer term history than joining as chief engineer etc, So was he a lower rank on the same ship at an earlier stage.

Stevolende, Friday, 8 July 2022 09:38 (eleven months ago) link

Like obviously character had to be the one that Pike being there unintentionally replaced. So had to be there as the alternative perspective and an actor is only doing an interpretation of a character but like phenomenologically what makes that character that character. I don't really see that individual to have much on common with Shatner's

Stevolende, Friday, 8 July 2022 15:28 (eleven months ago) link

Did watch Balance of Terror last night which showed the story this was an alternative take on & why one needed a Kirk in there. But still not really seeing that version of a him as necessarily being a him. Do think there must be more to this character than an entity being played by William Shatner and assume the film from 13 years ago did find a way of channeling the character though they did alter a few other characters to some degree.
Also in Discovery where they used the footage from the Cage as teh Flashback to a previous visit to the planet as though they looked interchangeable which they don't. i now have the episode the Cage as part of what I grabbed to see Balance of Terror so can watch that at some point.
Anyway interesting seeing the 2 versions and seeing what else was changed. Like more integration of other ethnicities, guy being killed on screen appears to be Irish American or something in the TOS version and South Asian in the new one.
Also I take it that uniform with the turtleneck underlayer is canon now or still. Not sure if I've seen it since the original cast Movie series.

Stevolende, Saturday, 9 July 2022 08:39 (ten months ago) link

Not only was Pike's hair even taller, but he had sideburns too -- or were they not new?

Lionel Chutzpah (Leee), Saturday, 9 July 2022 22:41 (ten months ago) link

the girlfriend outs herself as clearly suspect for preferring Pike w beard

wtf lady

i mean i like his beard but cmon

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 July 2022 22:51 (ten months ago) link

i enjoyed the detail that the background romulans in this ep also are wearing helmets! most of the romulans wore helmets in TOS bc makeup couldn’t afford/didnt have time to make multiple sets of ears for cast + extras so they just did a few sets and put everyone else in gold-painted uh watermelon hats

also romulan commander’s costume has a nod to the red shoulder drapery of the TOS Theiss wool costume (which itself seemed borne of being stuck w 7 rolls of ugly wool upholstery fabric & being told to “figure it out”)

srsly everyone go rewatch the TOS episode!

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 July 2022 23:01 (ten months ago) link

i mean i like his beard but cmon


mookieproof, Saturday, 9 July 2022 23:02 (ten months ago) link

i've had no prior complaints about basically any of the new castings -- several of them, notably nurse chappell, are improvements

but despite it being a hypothetical future that (probably -- go rogue, pike!) won't happen, that kirk and that romulan commander left a lot to be desired imo

mookieproof, Saturday, 9 July 2022 23:08 (ten months ago) link

I didn’t necessarily agree with it, but found this negative take on the finale thought-provoking - which touches on the militarism mentioned above but also the canonical determinism involved in prequel storytelling

the life of a rebo band is always intense (emsworth), Saturday, 9 July 2022 23:49 (ten months ago) link

I also rewatched BoT yesterday and was suprised how much was cribbed. Well, without the .. endless.... spaaaacess.... betweeen anyone.... talking...

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 10 July 2022 00:17 (ten months ago) link

Nu-Uhura even asked if she could have the big hair for this ep but i guess they didnt have time so she went with big nails instead <3

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 10 July 2022 00:33 (ten months ago) link

kirk and that romulan commander left a lot to be desired imo

I can't remember if Sarek has made it into the Ethan Peck Spockosphere yet (stopped watching Discovery). It would be neat if the Romulan commander was the same actor.
Like everyone else, we also rewatched (or, in my husband's case, watched for the first time) Balance of Terror, and watching Kirk running his fingers over the consoles in the same way that Pike does, I wondered if some of the swagger that Kirk has is to do with being captain of the Enterprise? Is there just something about being in that position, with Uhura and Spock at your back, that gives a person that heft and that's why Kirk-in-this-timeline doesn't quite have it? (I am not very serious about this.)
He did have a great mid-Sixties look about him, though. Like, he could plausibly appear in an Elvis film.

trishyb, Sunday, 10 July 2022 09:48 (ten months ago) link

Sarek was all over the first season of Disco, and it was a different actor than the Commander.

Lionel Chutzpah (Leee), Sunday, 10 July 2022 14:34 (ten months ago) link

james frain played sarek in discovery; i thought he was fine

mookieproof, Sunday, 10 July 2022 14:35 (ten months ago) link

Sarek was all over the first season of Disco, and it was a different actor than the Commander.

Jesus, my memory is terrible.

trishyb, Sunday, 10 July 2022 14:39 (ten months ago) link

Well Disco is terrible (sorry Trayce!) so I don't blame anyone for trying to forget it.

Lionel Chutzpah (Leee), Sunday, 10 July 2022 14:44 (ten months ago) link

Nice short interview with Paul Wesley

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 10 July 2022 19:20 (ten months ago) link

We've been watching Star Trek: Strange New Worlds and I'm having two reactions:

1. Ooh, this must be how people watching TOS felt! 😍


— Just Very Fucking tired, Man (@jvfriedman) July 10, 2022

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 10 July 2022 20:36 (ten months ago) link

LOL Leee. I agree some parts of Disco were terrible, dont worry. The whole Klingon storyline/first season. All the sighing and crying and gnashing of teeth and talking when the World is Ending.

But eh its still fun. Meanwhile I'm watching DS9 with reasonable enjoyment but bitten tounge due to all the BLATANT B5 THEFT mutter.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 11 July 2022 01:17 (ten months ago) link

this guy apparently fucking *hates* the show, which is semi-reasonable up until he both praises disco/picard in comparison and also concludes that nothing in this scenario can possibly be new, and therefore the attempt itself is offensive

mookieproof, Thursday, 14 July 2022 03:25 (ten months ago) link

OK I'll bite, but JMS himself has said that he doesn't believe that DS9 ripped off B5, and they're tonally pretty distinct.

Lionel Chutzpah (Leee), Thursday, 14 July 2022 04:29 (ten months ago) link

three weeks pass...

3 mins into the first ep and im here to say i did not expect to be ambushed by the wait-that-can't-be of combination long hair with a centre parting and a federation uniform

why do i think this, i have no idea

mark s, Thursday, 4 August 2022 17:48 (ten months ago) link

Is it because you associate that hairstyle with the OPA? (Guessing you're talking about not-Drummer.)

Judd Apatosaurus (Leee), Thursday, 4 August 2022 19:40 (ten months ago) link

maybe, i don't know! i will have to think abt it

mark s, Thursday, 4 August 2022 19:42 (ten months ago) link

one month passes...

Yes please!

The Enterprise just got a new senior officer. Meet Chief Engineer Pelia, played by the incomparable Carol Kane in #StarTrek #StrangeNewWorlds Season 2! #StarTrekDay

— Star Trek on Paramount+ (@StarTrekOnPPlus) September 8, 2022

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 8 September 2022 23:19 (nine months ago) link

Hemmers replacement is going to be Carol Kane! This is awesome!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 8 September 2022 23:21 (nine months ago) link

Oh damit xpost hahaha

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 8 September 2022 23:21 (nine months ago) link


terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 September 2022 00:05 (eight months ago) link

The excellence

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 September 2022 01:13 (eight months ago) link

My screenname is not what it is for nae reason.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 9 September 2022 02:33 (eight months ago) link

Carol Kane! Love it.

Finally got round to watching the season finale — enjoyed it but I hadn’t seen “Balance of Terror”, so a lot of the cheesy references from TOS went over my head and just seemed, well, cheesy.

Love this show; the only disappointment was how quickly the storyline with the doctor’s daughter got resolved — I was expecting something more epic several seasons down the line.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 9 September 2022 09:02 (eight months ago) link

OK this is cute:

Antifa Lockhart (Leee), Friday, 9 September 2022 21:38 (eight months ago) link

six months pass...

Per this post, season 2 back mid-June, and already renewed for season 3 too.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 March 2023 23:27 (two months ago) link

Buried at the end of that story was the fact that Discovery was ending with S5, which is news to me! Can't say I'm heartbroken but I did feel the tiniest twinge of some kind of human emotion.

meat and two vdgg (emsworth), Tuesday, 28 March 2023 23:45 (two months ago) link

Disco news has been out there for a few weeks now, scuttlebutt is that it's a cost cutting move.

Shartreuse (Leee), Wednesday, 29 March 2023 02:02 (two months ago) link

Also Disco's set up in such a way that nothing's stopping it from dribbling on forever really (as it wont break any canon) so they might as well wind it up or it'll Simpsonsify.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 29 March 2023 02:30 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Oh hell yeah

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 17:09 (one month ago) link

Carol Kane better be a regular

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Wednesday, 19 April 2023 17:25 (one month ago) link

She's the new engineer so I'm rather guessing yes.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 17:26 (one month ago) link

Guess that means #1 doesn't stay in prison long.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 19 April 2023 22:07 (one month ago) link

absolutely psyched - still can’t believe they worked out how to make a good star trek - esp from this least vibey of premises - all praise to Nu-Pike for being charismatic enough to hang a TV show around

meat and two vdgg (emsworth), Wednesday, 19 April 2023 23:02 (one month ago) link

Pretty stoked for this - I really tried and like 1/2 of Disco, but Strange New Worlds first season was some fun sci fi/ Star Trek canon.

BlackIronPrison, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 23:20 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

Hijinks! Lower Decks! Etc.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 15:36 (two weeks ago) link

Also, unexpectedly, second season Picard.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 16:18 (two weeks ago) link

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