The Havana Syndrome

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_syndrome

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 21 October 2021 16:42 (two years ago) link

Please not another syndrome, I am still dealing with the lingering effects of Andromeda

(a picture of a defecating pig) (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 October 2021 16:47 (two years ago) link

best theory I've heard is that of unintended consequences - like the Russians or someone are using some crazy eavesdropping technology that also happens to produce splitting headaches

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 21 October 2021 16:49 (two years ago) link

if my job was making me sick I would just quit.

lots of people hiring rn I keep seeing everyone from Fox to PBS concern trolling about biz owners not being able to find people to work

caddy lac brougham? (will), Thursday, 21 October 2021 16:53 (two years ago) link

Havana laugh.

Typo? Negative! (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 21 October 2021 16:54 (two years ago) link

What if your job was making other people sick?

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 21 October 2021 16:56 (two years ago) link

Havana Syndrome left me cigared for life

calzino, Thursday, 21 October 2021 17:00 (two years ago) link

Dirty Dancing: Havana Syndrome

, Thursday, 21 October 2021 17:01 (two years ago) link

Venis mecha

(a picture of a defecating pig) (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 October 2021 17:02 (two years ago) link

If I had a magic headache ray, I would absolutely use it on people working in the Cartagena embassy rather than the White House or Pentagon.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 21 October 2021 17:18 (two years ago) link

Havana Syndrome? damb homie go work at Amazon. At least then a medical doctor can actually determine what’s wrong with you (urinary tract infection from holding pee)

caddy lac brougham? (will), Thursday, 21 October 2021 17:25 (two years ago) link

I liked this article on the topic:

Havana syndrome fits the pattern of psychosomatic illness – but that doesn’t mean the symptoms aren’t real

JRN, Thursday, 21 October 2021 17:33 (two years ago) link

The credulity of the media on the directed microwave theory has been pretty hilarious.

jmm, Thursday, 21 October 2021 17:36 (two years ago) link

it’s legit and I’ll leave it at that

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 21 October 2021 18:12 (two years ago) link

Why delete this banger pic.twitter.com/u6KuuMU8oG

— yoshi 🎃 (spooky arc) (@NotBanned_) October 21, 2021

akm, Thursday, 21 October 2021 18:16 (two years ago) link

The credulity of the media on the directed microwave theory has been pretty hilarious

Given their role to breathlessly reprint any press release about cops or troops, it just follows that they’d worship spooks, too.

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 21 October 2021 18:17 (two years ago) link

tbf those are the only three things the richest nation the world has ever known is allowed to spend money on

caddy lac brougham? (will), Thursday, 21 October 2021 18:47 (two years ago) link

Will repost what I wrote on the main politics thread:

I haven't done a deep dive into Havana Syndrome, but I've read articles in credible publications (for instance, this New Yorker article from a few months ago) that basically take the stance of "huh, this is really weird, and there still doesn't seem to be a good explanation for it." So that's basically where my head is at, and I don't really understand the jump to "this is obviously fake," regardless of how one feels about the CIA. (That said, I also don't think that individuals who work for the CIA are inherently and objectively bad or untrustworthy or undeserving of sympathy.)

― jaymc, Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:10 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

jaymc, Thursday, 21 October 2021 18:47 (two years ago) link

I think there is an interesting discussion to be had around this, but it clearly isn't going to happen here.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 21 October 2021 19:05 (two years ago) link

i don't know what inherently and objectively bad means (i mean i think the CIA is objectively bad and no one should choose to work there but this isn't CIA workers: C/D) but being untrustworthy is what the CIA is, for that reason i believe this differs from the fibromyalgia thing.

certified juice therapist (harbl), Thursday, 21 October 2021 19:07 (two years ago) link

I already look like a total ass enough of the time that I don't need to make myself look like more of an ass by coming down hard on either side of this issue I barely know anything about. If some kind of invisible headache ray existed and enemies of America wanted to use it to destabilize domestic or foreign policy, it seems like diplomats and CIA workers would be a solid choice in terms of access if nothing else. And that people thinking they were crazy for going public with weird + inexplicable symptoms would just be a fringe benefit. But also if monkeys were able to fly, they might fly out of my butt. So I'll maintain my agnosticism.

(a picture of a defecating pig) (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 October 2021 19:13 (two years ago) link

it's reasonable to be agnostic. i don't think there's any way to get valid information on topics relating to the CIA as the events are going on. for the TRUTH you have to wait 50 years for a small press to put out a weird book on it that sells 2000 copies!

certified juice therapist (harbl), Thursday, 21 October 2021 19:16 (two years ago) link

To be clear, I think there are plenty of reasons to be skeptical of the CIA as an institution and of any public claims that it puts forward. I don't think that people who choose to work there are irredeemably bad people.

jaymc, Thursday, 21 October 2021 19:18 (two years ago) link

Yeah, it's a shitty org and I'm certainly no defender but the fact that you even need to say that is more about the increasing insistence 'round these parts that everyone pass some sort of Manichaean purity test than anything else.

(a picture of a defecating pig) (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 October 2021 19:33 (two years ago) link

Sorry, what I meant to say is that that person who's working as an entry-level receptionist for the CIA is going to burn in the literal fires of hell.

(a picture of a defecating pig) (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 October 2021 19:35 (two years ago) link

Heh, DO U SEE?

Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 October 2021 19:37 (two years ago) link

If not:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFFr2BIft-c

Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 October 2021 19:38 (two years ago) link

I have no idea if any of this is true, but I think it's only being taken so seriously due to diplomats and CIA people being the "victims". Most other people would have just gotten a "ha ha bullshit" response, like with gang-stalking.

Duane Barry, Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:00 (two years ago) link

for me, initially, it didn’t help that it sounded concocted in a tv writers room specifically to give Morning Jocephus and Zbigniew Brzezinski’s bird-brained kid the vapors

caddy lac brougham? (will), Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:18 (two years ago) link

The USA being the country that spends more on defense (i.e. offense) than any other country by orders of magnitude, if anyone has an invisible headache gun, it's us.

Hannibal Lecture (PBKR), Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:25 (two years ago) link

We overinvested in wet-the-bed rays

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:34 (two years ago) link

the increasing insistence 'round these parts that everyone pass some sort of Manichaean purity test than anything else.

How? Absolutely no one has been taken to task for being more amenable to the potential goodness of CIA spooks or caring about them.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:35 (two years ago) link

(Whereas you are basically equivalent to racist doctors if you think the idea of a headache cannon aimed at an organization dedicated to doing evil is something to joke about.)

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:37 (two years ago) link

"the idea of a headache cannon aimed at an organization dedicated to doing evil"

Definitely approaching it with an open mind, I see.

jaymc, Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:40 (two years ago) link

lol literally anyone who works for the cia is a fucking piece of shit, come on, we dont need to ted lasso this one

adam, Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:40 (two years ago) link

your mom works for the cia

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:43 (two years ago) link

Definitely approaching it with an open mind, I see.

You got me, I do not have an open mind as to the merit and morality of the CIA.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:44 (two years ago) link

cia is cool if you just ignore everything they've ever done

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:46 (two years ago) link

The last 70 years were an aberration.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:47 (two years ago) link

it's a very hard manichaean purity test to pass: just don't work at the torture/assassination place

certified juice therapist (harbl), Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:50 (two years ago) link

they're just trying to teach people how to cook, what's so evil about that?

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:50 (two years ago) link

"I am unapologetically me. I want you to be unapologetically you, whoever you are. Whether you work at #CIA, or anywhere else in the world. Command your space. Mija, you are worth it."

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:52 (two years ago) link

lol i have been thinking of that for the past 24 hours

certified juice therapist (harbl), Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:53 (two years ago) link

So some CIA officers were in tears during the torture sessions. That's not weakness. It's humanity. Too bad others didn't share it.

— Nicholas Kristof (@NickKristof) December 9, 2014

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:54 (two years ago) link

goddamn i'd almost forgotten about that

xpost

caddy lac brougham? (will), Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:55 (two years ago) link

You got me, I do not have an open mind as to the merit and morality of the CIA.

― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, October 21, 2021 3:44 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

But we're not talking about "the merit and the morality of the CIA" as an institution. We're talking about """"""Havana Syndrome."""""

jaymc, Thursday, 21 October 2021 21:04 (two years ago) link

Which is being promoted by the CIA with the stated cause being foreign enemies with headache cannon, yes.

If it was black mold in the torture showers or high-VOC paint it wouldn’t be news. If it was just a “huh, that’s interesting that a bunch of spooks have headaches” it would be a single blog post on Foreign Policy and not legislation for sanctions and giving the CIA more money.

As such, the idea of “Havana Syndrome” is not worth taking seriously, no.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 21 October 2021 21:13 (two years ago) link

If you don’t think Russia has a headache cannon, then you also disagree with the existence of Havana Syndrome.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 21 October 2021 21:14 (two years ago) link

Somewhat ignorant question, but is it only Americans who have reported symptoms? The bullshit headache ray manufacturer will want a better return on investment than targeting some GS-10-scale CIA drones.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 1 March 2022 23:21 (two years ago) link

it's only tuned to american brainwaves so far. the french are currently planned for a patch sometime in Q2

, Tuesday, 1 March 2022 23:29 (two years ago) link

Right now it only attacks the lobe of the brain that appreciates Luke Bryan music, which appears to exist mostly in Americans

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 15:04 (two years ago) link

Rooting for the magic headache cannon tbh

Twenty yeasr ago, at a CIA black site in Afghanistan, Ammar al-Baluchi was used as a "living prop" to teach torture—trainees lined up to take turns at knocking his head against a wall until he got brain damage.

CIA kept the info classified until this week.https://t.co/ofruMEVlrb

— Avi Asher-Schapiro (@AASchapiro) March 15, 2022

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 23:58 (two years ago) link

they don't do that stuff anymore though

towards fungal computer (harbl), Wednesday, 16 March 2022 00:32 (two years ago) link

Biggest airquotes of all time

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Thursday, 17 March 2022 13:11 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

I guarantee that you will not guess where Law & Order went with this. pic.twitter.com/uuPsSTchpl

— biftechnoir 🇺🇸🇫🇮 (@kenmegalopsuxos) May 15, 2022

, Sunday, 15 May 2022 13:34 (one year ago) link

:D

OG Bob Sacamano (will), Monday, 16 May 2022 00:45 (one year ago) link

"Ripped from the headlines!"

nickn, Monday, 16 May 2022 01:09 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

SCOOP: FBI personnel have been reporting symptoms of the mysterious syndrome that first afflicted overseas diplomats and spies... inside the US. Members of the FBI say they've been injured in DC and Florida, especially in the bureau's Miami field office, @MarkSZaidEsq says. pic.twitter.com/gDkUzo50hU

— Sasha Ingber (@SashaIngber) August 26, 2022

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 26 August 2022 21:34 (one year ago) link

That's just too much Miami bass.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 26 August 2022 21:36 (one year ago) link

victims of some kind of miami sound machine

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 26 August 2022 21:54 (one year ago) link

I gotta get one of these things.

Abel Ferrara hard-sci-fi elevator pitch (PBKR), Friday, 26 August 2022 21:57 (one year ago) link

Keep their heads ringing

You can't spell Fearless without Earle (President Keyes), Saturday, 27 August 2022 01:11 (one year ago) link

three months pass...
one month passes...

Evidence that Havana Syndrome exists

For many of the years I was at CIA, I included this MLK quote as part of my email header:

“Cowardice asks the question, is it safe? Expediency asks the question, is it politic? Vanity asks the question, is it popular? But conscience ask the question, is it right? (1/2)

— Gail Helt (@ghelt) January 16, 2023

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 00:13 (one year ago) link

maybe they were the resistance inside the company

Lord Pickles (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 02:00 (one year ago) link

honestly no worse than the "he was a Republican, you know" crowd

Lord Pickles (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 02:01 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

shocking news

Scoop: A long-awaited report by the US intel community concludes ‘Havana Syndrome’ was not caused by an energy weapon or foreign adversary, shattering a widespread theory that a secret device debilitated scores of spies & diplomats. By @shaneharris & me https://t.co/EkxPx8c1u1

— John Hudson (@John_Hudson) March 1, 2023

symsymsym, Wednesday, 1 March 2023 16:55 (one year ago) link

Turns out it was caused by trans people waving pieces of paper with the word fentanyl written on them out the window in the direction of US embassies.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 17:00 (one year ago) link

it is caused by a car driving by going burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 17:07 (one year ago) link

I can't believe you used that word unperson, I clicked open this thread and immediately saw four cops fall down on the sidewalk across the street.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 17:13 (one year ago) link

Tell-Tale Heart Syndrome doesn’t have the same ring to it.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 2 March 2023 03:36 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Havana Syndrome opens your third eye and allows you to project into the astral realm lol https://t.co/b2ZN7hnhkf pic.twitter.com/uYG1XjdQKT

— Robert Skvarla (@RobertSkvarla) April 10, 2023

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 10 April 2023 23:58 (one year ago) link

god some fucking prog band is totally going to write a concept album about this

Will.I.Am's fetid urine (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 11 April 2023 05:23 (one year ago) link

I don't even know if I'm annoyed or excited about that

Will.I.Am's fetid urine (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 11 April 2023 05:23 (one year ago) link

I kind of liked that movie when it was released as The Men Who Stare at Goats

mh, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 13:36 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

in lounge in dad's nursing home and History Channel is basically doing a special on Havana Syndrome which uncritically accepts it as a real thing.

Have opted not to turn it off because it's bringing lols

Make the chats AI (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 19 September 2023 19:25 (six months ago) link

havana syndrome is real but it is actually caused by watching the history channel

c u (crüt), Tuesday, 19 September 2023 19:27 (six months ago) link

yeah it was weird, as soon as the History channel came on, my bowels evacuated.

I tried to apologize but they just assured me they'd have the spaghetti luncheon on Thursday instead

Make the chats AI (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 19 September 2023 19:40 (six months ago) link

six months pass...

60 Minutes is doing a report on Havana Syndrome right now. Turns out Russia did it.

President Keyes, Sunday, 31 March 2024 23:46 (one week ago) link

Details on the 60 Minutes story.

paisley got boring (Eazy), Monday, 1 April 2024 01:16 (one week ago) link

I’m skeptical! 😂

Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 1 April 2024 02:25 (one week ago) link

She has Patricia Arquette Syndrome

President Keyes, Monday, 1 April 2024 02:34 (one week ago) link

At the same time, she said, the battery in her phone began to swell until it broke the case.

So the cricket ray is blowing up batteries now?

jmm, Monday, 1 April 2024 02:50 (one week ago) link

A battery swelled! I’m convinced!

Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 1 April 2024 02:59 (one week ago) link

so if none of this is true does Russia even want to make a denial about this err no

frogbs, Monday, 1 April 2024 03:03 (one week ago) link

I'm not going to read a bunch of suggestive theories. Are they explaining it through voodoo or have they discovered a cause that has some respectable physics behind it?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 1 April 2024 03:06 (one week ago) link

One guy supposedly found a Russian ledger line where they paid a guy a consulting fee for something so clearly the headache ray is real and Putin done did it.

My poke place has 60 Minutes on every Sunday I’ve been in, not sure what stories they run anymore beyond China or Russia fearmongering.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 1 April 2024 03:31 (one week ago) link

Has their reporting been off?

paisley got boring (Eazy), Monday, 1 April 2024 04:09 (one week ago) link

Well, their big story tonight being complete conspiracy-addled nonsense points to “not great” on the reporting side. Depends on how often you check under the bed for Red Chinese operatives undermining America I guess.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 1 April 2024 06:11 (one week ago) link

I've seen enough "blow things up in a microwave" youtube to know that Li-ion batteries burst into flames when bombarded with microwaves. Swollen battery syndrome is apparently rare, but can be related to not fully discharging the battery enough and overcharging it. I still think this is a load of bollox.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Monday, 1 April 2024 09:11 (one week ago) link

cockney putin: "just havana bubble mate"

mark s, Monday, 1 April 2024 10:23 (one week ago) link

hergé was a mole:

https://i.imgur.com/zK9aBu5.png

mark s, Monday, 1 April 2024 10:38 (one week ago) link

Meanwhile, a new study apparently contradicts the brain injury findings from 2018.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-with-havana-syndrome-show-no-brain-damage-or-medical-illness/

jmm, Monday, 1 April 2024 13:20 (one week ago) link

Battery swelling is increasingly rare, but it was relatively common when this occurred.

Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 1 April 2024 14:03 (one week ago) link

I’d also bet that most swelling comes from manufacturing defects rather than discharging.

Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 1 April 2024 14:06 (one week ago) link

yeesh that 60 minutes article… is George Noory on the case?

brimstead, Monday, 1 April 2024 15:34 (one week ago) link

"There is, in my view, without a doubt, evidence of a cover up. Now, some of that cover up is not necessarily that, 'oh, we found a weapon,'" Zaid said. "What I've seen more so is, 'we see lines of inquiry that would take us potentially to answers we don't want to have to deal with, so we're not going to explore any of those avenues.'"

This is the most incredible motte-and-bailey.

"There's a cover-up." "By that I mean that someone somewhere isn't taking something seriously."

jmm, Monday, 1 April 2024 16:35 (one week ago) link


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