Best Daniel Craig era Bond flick

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will give everyone a chance to see it first. now that his arc has come to a close, it's time to vote. I have a feeling I know which one is going to win, buuuut.....I'd like to be surprised.

Casino Royale
Quantum of Solace
No Time to Die
Other (what the fuck?)

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Sunday, 10 October 2021 02:42 (two weeks ago) link

Other: that Olympics vid he did with the Queen

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 10 October 2021 02:43 (two weeks ago) link

QoS is the one least chopped up by an absolute inability to manage content and pace of plot

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Sunday, 10 October 2021 09:20 (two weeks ago) link

Have only seen the first two. Don't remember much about them tbh.

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 October 2021 10:11 (two weeks ago) link

i.e. like most Bond flicks

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 10 October 2021 10:24 (two weeks ago) link

Pretty much.

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 October 2021 10:59 (two weeks ago) link

Interesting results here; especially considering CR had only come out the year before.

which is the best James Bond movie?

piscesx, Sunday, 10 October 2021 12:10 (two weeks ago) link

Casino Royale is the best James Bond movie because the character doesn't need to be named James Bond for it to work.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 10 October 2021 12:40 (two weeks ago) link

But it was weird that he was named Casino Royale for just that one movie.

Josefa, Sunday, 10 October 2021 13:20 (two weeks ago) link

no that was the name of his dog, he was Henry Royale

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Sunday, 10 October 2021 13:25 (two weeks ago) link

I’m trying really hard to avoid spoilers since I’ll likely see this next weekend

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 10 October 2021 13:28 (two weeks ago) link

casino royale is probably the most successful reboot i can think of, manages the very difficult task of giving bond a legit love interest and also a compelling villain (mads, who none of the other craig-era baddies better)

quantum is gorgeous but its story is meager and the action scenes are paul greengrass-incoherent. still a personal fave

i've discussed my issues with skyfall, and i obv barely remember anything about spectre, as i thought madeleine swann was a character invented just for no time to die, lol

no time to die is as gorgeous as quantum but the action is excellent, just check out that ava de armas scene, and bond's arc is far less about his murky history, which wgaf, and far more about his relationships with other people and his inability to maintain them, which gives me far more to chew on

idk, feels like this is much easier with the other bonds, much as i don't like the mendes films

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Sunday, 10 October 2021 14:28 (two weeks ago) link

creating a decent bond villain seems hard, of this crop i'd say it's mads, then bardem, then diving bell and the butterfly dude, then some far far distance below that, christolph waltz (who... well, one of the really nice things about no time to die is that it actually made me enjoy waltz's blofeld). idk where rami malek ranks yet, he's the one piece of no time to die i feel uneasiest about

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Sunday, 10 October 2021 14:33 (two weeks ago) link

Casino Royale is an actual Good Action Film. I have time for most of Skyfall too.

I can't deal with Christoph Waltz, who can't play a part without giggling and smirking over how cute he thinks he is.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 10 October 2021 14:35 (two weeks ago) link

Forgot about the incredible 2000s vibes in Casino Royale. Bond looks like he's on a secret mission to Coachella.

— Evan Hill (@evanhill) October 9, 2021

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 10 October 2021 14:44 (two weeks ago) link

Casino Royale might be my favourite action movie of all time tbh. Def my favourite Bond

QoS is great, its brevity and having to follow CS were its only issues

Sam Mendes idk I don't like any of his movies and would prefer to never watch either of those two again. I remember enjoying parts of Skyfall but finding it a slog. I remember nothing of Spectre

I'm sure I'll love the new one, Fukunaga is a top-tier director imo

kermit the grouch (flamboyant goon tie included), Sunday, 10 October 2021 14:56 (two weeks ago) link

*having to follow CR, not CS.

kermit the grouch (flamboyant goon tie included), Sunday, 10 October 2021 14:57 (two weeks ago) link

QoS is great, its brevity and having to follow CR were its only issues

The brevity I don't entirely mind, but I'll say that having done the series rewatch, viewing that very soon after CR made it feel like much more of a piece. Calling it a diptych might be pretentious but the fact that one follows on immediately after the other, it develops the sense of mysterious paranoia (untrustworthy moles from the get-go), and ends the immediate arc of the Vesper Lynn repercussions is really well done. And while everyone celebrates the opera scene one of the best moments maybe of the whole damn series is one of the subtlest and quietest: that 'thank you' the Canadian agent says when she leaves the room during the final confrontation.

One thing I'm perversely impressed by is how, clearly without any real plan, the whole five-film Craig arc ended up succeeding in a kind of perfect mirror image -- two closely interrelated films each on either side of a standalone story, essentially -- and where every other film was a clear high point whatever individual flaws, and I'll take 3 out of 5 though as noted with QoS I'd say more a 3.5 if not more. And then said whole film-film arc...worked? Again, without any real plan or promise of one and certainly not in the sense of wall to wall success on all fronts! It's like just enough accidents of timing and input happened in the course of an enterprise with its own overriding logic -- there have been Bond films, there will be more Bond films, nothing else is more paramount than continuing entertainment and commercial success -- that within said commercial constraints and gambles they did something that hadn't ever happened in the series before, an actual multifilm story where the tangled plots mattered a little less than the themes and characters in the end -- and to pick up on that point again, every film essentially is about a compromised organization on the side of 'good' that's riddled with double-agents, untrustworthy allies, deep moles, where the 'good guys' are watching their back more often than not. Dench and Fiennes's Ms are left to give the heroic speeches or comments about queen and country and whatever, Craig's Bond is there to do the job, ever increasingly for his own reasons -- and that's what makes him more Fleming's original Bond in the end than all the others, even Dalton's.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 10 October 2021 15:38 (two weeks ago) link

Ppl who rep for Casino Royale

Do ye mean the whole whole movie or yknow the part of it until the car crash because if the latter i can see it but everything after that point just killed the movie dead for me tbh

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Sunday, 10 October 2021 19:09 (two weeks ago) link

Liked Casino Royale when I saw it in theatres, but wasn't as impressed when I caught it again on TV a while back. I still expect it to win here.

I remember Skyfall having some fairly elegant action sequences, so I'll go with that.

Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Sunday, 10 October 2021 20:27 (two weeks ago) link

re: armas in 'no time to die'

her part was really fun and i spent the rest of the movie hoping she would show up again. nope!

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Sunday, 10 October 2021 20:30 (two weeks ago) link

The most memorable thing about Quantum of Solace is this bit from Ebert's review:

In "Quantum of Solace" he will share no cozy quality time with the Bond girl (Olga Kurylenko). We fondly remember the immortal names of Pussy Galore, Xenia Onatopp and Plenty O'Toole, who I have always suspected was a drag queen. In this film, who do we get? Are you ready for this? Camille. That's it. Camille. Not even Camille Squeal. Or Cammy Miami. Or Miss O'Toole's friend Cam Shaft.

Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Sunday, 10 October 2021 20:31 (two weeks ago) link

Though I won't watch this latest film
quite enjoyed Osita Nwanevu going over Craig's time with the franchise. It was good to see a hardened political writer putting in a shift, as a break from the day job.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 14:05 (one week ago) link

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