On Sinema at the Sinema: October 2021 US Politics thread

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Today's Popcorn Classic: The Nut Job (1h 25m, 5 bags)

frogbs, Friday, 1 October 2021 02:54 (three weeks ago) link

I was <this> close to starting the last two threads w/that title.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 1 October 2021 02:56 (three weeks ago) link

truly, this is her moment

frogbs, Friday, 1 October 2021 03:06 (three weeks ago) link

See any movie at Harkins Theatres for just $5 this weekend Friday, September 1 through Monday, September 4! 🍿🎥 https://t.co/DNbYTd2Lea

— Kyrsten Sinema (@kyrstensinema) August 31, 2017

frogbs, Friday, 1 October 2021 03:11 (three weeks ago) link

yelling down from my yacht why including means testing for social welfare programs is a hard line for me https://t.co/N4ZIZz4alq

— Andrew Lawrence (@ndrew_lawrence) October 1, 2021

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 1 October 2021 04:57 (three weeks ago) link

"I'm a medical doctor...I own a Manchin and a yacht"

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 1 October 2021 05:14 (three weeks ago) link

excellent title
in the way that decker predicted trump, this thread title reflects the absolute absurd reality of the moment

typo hell #7: 3-5 of those thinking of want to say (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 October 2021 06:11 (three weeks ago) link

When you got politics like Ted Cruz in the them, you can't lose

Evan, Friday, 1 October 2021 13:16 (three weeks ago) link

Evan, i'm sorry, but you must undergo TYPO HELL

typo hell #7: 3-5 of those thinking of want to say (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 October 2021 14:50 (three weeks ago) link

Absolute love for this thread title!

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 1 October 2021 15:33 (three weeks ago) link

yeah best title in a while

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 1 October 2021 15:38 (three weeks ago) link

6 bags of popcorn,

5 bags

typo hell #7: 3-5 of those thinking of want to say (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 October 2021 15:53 (three weeks ago) link

Head scratcher as to who LaRue would be in all of this

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 1 October 2021 15:59 (three weeks ago) link

and I'm gonna throw in a little pair of glasses, much like the ones she famously wears

frogbs, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:00 (three weeks ago) link

I mean clearly we know who Decker is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi2yvpdtz1M

frogbs, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:02 (three weeks ago) link

I can imagine Sinema as a really good villain in the Bond franchise. the Bond heads out there will know what I mean

typo hell #7: 3-5 of those thinking of want to say (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 October 2021 16:02 (three weeks ago) link

with Crenshaw in congress the GOP has

~eyes in they sky~

typo hell #7: 3-5 of those thinking of want to say (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 October 2021 16:04 (three weeks ago) link

~eyes in they sky~

nice typo, should be "eye"

frogbs, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:05 (three weeks ago) link

looooool

typo hell #7: 3-5 of those thinking of want to say (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 October 2021 16:06 (three weeks ago) link

the eye in the sky, dan crenshaw

typo hell #7: 3-5 of those thinking of want to say (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 October 2021 16:06 (three weeks ago) link

the eye in the sky, the don of the law dan crewshaw, ha-HA!

typo hell #7: 3-5 of those thinking of want to say (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 October 2021 16:06 (three weeks ago) link

Hey, my eye is (points) up there.

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Friday, 1 October 2021 16:20 (three weeks ago) link

and i don't need to see anymore to know that

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Friday, 1 October 2021 16:40 (three weeks ago) link

Sen. Kyrsten Sinema left DC earlier today, two sources tell NBC News.

— Jonathan Allen (@jonallendc) October 1, 2021

xyzzzz__, Friday, 1 October 2021 17:39 (three weeks ago) link

everybody's working for the weekend

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Friday, 1 October 2021 17:41 (three weeks ago) link

And Sinema is no longer physically in Washington, heading to Phoenix for a medical appointment, according to her office.

Sporting a cute YSL knapsack, not doubt

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 1 October 2021 18:13 (three weeks ago) link

It's Wine-O-Clock Somewhere...

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 1 October 2021 18:14 (three weeks ago) link

if she gets retired from senate she and some wacky pals are going to do a reality tv show wine crawl thru Napa

caddy lac brougham? (will), Friday, 1 October 2021 19:06 (three weeks ago) link

They should just load her up on pinot grigio, she'll come around

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 1 October 2021 19:19 (three weeks ago) link

Leave Joe alone!!!!

People need to stop calling this a "yacht." It's a houseboat. It is worth $220,000, which is pretty much exactly the median home price in the United States and *considerably* less than what most senators spend on their second D.C. residence. My house costs more than this one! https://t.co/QlMM1kZGjr

— Matthew Chapman (@fawfulfan) October 1, 2021

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 1 October 2021 21:56 (three weeks ago) link

lol imagine wasting your energy caping for this dude as if his "houseboat" was somehow a frugal purchase.

i could maybe, MAYBE, buy that argument if it was also his sole abode but c'mon.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 1 October 2021 21:58 (three weeks ago) link

biden should threaten to confiscate his house boat with eminent domain

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Friday, 1 October 2021 22:03 (three weeks ago) link

i think i can hear lindsey graham and senator coons whooping and hollering in the background. ted cruz is making everyone chug beers again

typo hell #7: 3-5 of those thinking of want to say (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 October 2021 22:08 (three weeks ago) link

"listen - i have to gut this climate change funding so that all of your children's futures will be worse! because that's what west virginians want! listen - it's not about the deficit, we all know that. no one cares about that! and if i actually cared about that, i'd increase spending right now on climate change mitigation so that it wouldn't cost exponentially more to humanity in the future! but let's face it, no matter what happens i can just ride around in my boat with my boys so i don't really care! this boat!"

typo hell #7: 3-5 of those thinking of want to say (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 October 2021 22:10 (three weeks ago) link

(muffled cheering in the background, "chug! chug! chug!")

typo hell #7: 3-5 of those thinking of want to say (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 October 2021 22:11 (three weeks ago) link

Maybe next month’s thread can be titled “the houseboat blues” or “the houseboat boogaloo”

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 2 October 2021 01:16 (three weeks ago) link

because, well, of course

JUST IN: Kyrsten Sinema has left DC amid negotiations. Her spokesman says it's for a doctor's appointment "for a foot injury." But a hotel just confirmed she will be at her PAC’s retreat with donors for cocktails and dinner at a high-end resort and spa in Phoenix. (@nytimes)

— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) October 1, 2021

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 2 October 2021 02:58 (three weeks ago) link

your house should generally cost more than somebody's boat imo

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 October 2021 06:17 (three weeks ago) link

strong disagree

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 2 October 2021 09:07 (three weeks ago) link

RT our graphic w/Elizabeth Holmes, founder & CEO of @Theranos, which employs 500 in #AZ09! #WomensHistoryMonth pic.twitter.com/COyqoYZnKC

— Kyrsten Sinema (@kyrstensinema) March 4, 2015

certified juice therapist (harbl), Saturday, 2 October 2021 15:15 (three weeks ago) link

that is a rich text

symsymsym, Saturday, 2 October 2021 16:20 (three weeks ago) link

my boat should cost more than my house? please explain how.

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 October 2021 17:48 (three weeks ago) link

Oooh somebody’s mad about political stunts.

.@SenatorSinema unloads after the House delays a vote on her infrastructure bill:

“inexcusable, and deeply disappointing for communities across our country.”

“ineffective stunt to gain leverage over a separate proposal”

“betrays the trust the American people have placed” pic.twitter.com/Vu4jNy8qy4

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) October 2, 2021

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 2 October 2021 17:59 (three weeks ago) link

We should poll what exciting new high-paying opportunities we think she'll take on when her half-assed flirtation with politics has inevitably run its course.

Donald Fhtagen (Old Lunch), Saturday, 2 October 2021 18:12 (three weeks ago) link

Nah we shouldn't waste any more time thinking about her

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 2 October 2021 18:26 (three weeks ago) link

i honestly think she should do ultimate triathlon challenges for charity or something. just go run, bike, and swim, raise some money, and that's it

i'm assuming she's already independently wealthy because how did she become a senator otherwise?

maureen dowd reads this thread

My god pic.twitter.com/emtDxrJn6A

— Andrew Perez (@andrewperezdc) October 2, 2021

symsymsym, Saturday, 2 October 2021 18:41 (three weeks ago) link

my boat should cost more than my house? please explain how.

boats are a luxury

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 2 October 2021 19:02 (three weeks ago) link

We need good people over there and learn to live with yourself when the bad happens.

― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, October 21, 2021 6:48 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

In my experience, most jobs present dilemmas, soul rot/moral decay and the need to compartmentalize.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 21 October 2021 22:59 (four days ago) link

In the meantime, let's just hope we can access the level of purity Rev. Milo requires of every person.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 21 October 2021 23:01 (four days ago) link

What was Beria supposed to do, the man needed a job just like you and me.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 21 October 2021 23:03 (four days ago) link

^^^ see, Aimless? There's your non-literal speech

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 October 2021 23:12 (four days ago) link

In my experience, most jobs present dilemmas, soul rot/moral decay and the need to compartmentalize.

― Van Horn Street, Thursday, October 21, 2021 3:59 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is true, but there's also CHOICE involved here.

I'm a sovereign jizz citizen (the table is the table), Thursday, 21 October 2021 23:12 (four days ago) link

is there any level or frequency of acknowledging our own weaknesses, or really *anything at all,* that will allow people who are farther left than American Democrats to say we expect better things from our politicians than are currently likely or even possible without being accused of doing horseshoe theory or purity politics, or is that just, like, baked in at this point

also I’m pretty fuckin’ sure that e.g. doing data entry at a shitty telecom company or something involves significantly less moral compromise than a gig providing cover for quasi-legal arms sales in Yemen, but sure, both do involve some compromise, yes

nicole, Thursday, 21 October 2021 23:18 (four days ago) link

nicole, getting people further left than our current leaders into Cabinet positions whose mission statements have been razed and rewritten would be a start. I say that because, as a much older man dating a much younger guy arrested on Monday to protest the Biden White House's Haiti policy, I still talk to leftists of color who believe American can change if America allotted them power.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 October 2021 23:20 (four days ago) link

We're seeing the influence of those leftists now. That Charles Fucking Schumer's endorsing India Walton is as much a comment on how the times have changed thanks to the influence of, say, staffers and activists as any.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 October 2021 23:22 (four days ago) link

What of the need for him to endorse her at all because of the actions of the rest of the NY and Buffalo Democratic Party?

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 21 October 2021 23:36 (four days ago) link

I too thought nicole was Nicole and was somewhat confused

I'm otherwise done with this debate

akm, Thursday, 21 October 2021 23:45 (four days ago) link

as a much older man dating a much younger guy arrested on Monday to protest the Biden White House's Haiti policy, I still talk to leftists of color

braggin 2021 triple points

;)

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 22 October 2021 02:21 (three days ago) link

New - “That’s a reach,” Biden says when asked if dental, vision and hearing will all be covered by Medicare. “Mr. Manchin is opposed.” Says he believes Sinema is too. Says they are talking about $800 voucher for dental. Adds on CNN Sinema open to hearing. Still negotiating vision

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) October 22, 2021

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 22 October 2021 05:07 (three days ago) link

A single root canal is what, $1500ish on average?

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 22 October 2021 05:08 (three days ago) link

Among other revelations, Manchin as governor directed his chief of staff to help push up electricity rates to bail out the company buying coal from him https://t.co/Q3cTZbEj0O

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) October 23, 2021

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 23 October 2021 21:20 (two days ago) link

u.s. political discourse, "national conversations", florida

...In Brevard, the protests began with Moms for Liberty, a purported grass-roots organization founded after my election by the incumbent I had unseated. Supplied with matching blue T-shirts, pocket copies of the Constitution and a hazy notion of critical race theory — which is not taught in the public schools — its members began showing up at school board meetings. Their first battle, in March, was over bathrooms. Moms for Liberty had zeroed in on the county’s LGBTQ guidelines for administrators, a document outlining the rights of students as delineated in state and federal laws, including the right to dress and use bathrooms according to the gender they identify with. The group carried the torch for fears that their daughters would be exposed to sexual harassment and abuse by their male peers. A disinformation campaign spread through social media, leading the public to believe that this document was newly developed (it wasn’t) and being kept secret. Protesters became regulars outside school board meetings. Trump flags waved in the parking lot. Young children, accompanied by their parents, shouted into megaphones, “Don’t touch me, pedophiles!” LGBTQ students tried to speak while adults chanted “Shame!” Meetings were packed, and those who couldn’t get in banged on the windows and doors.

By April, protesters had begun to gather not just at board meetings but also in front of my house. A group of about 15 shouted “Pedophiles!” as my neighbors walked their dogs, pushing their infants in strollers. “We’re coming for you,” they yelled, mistaking friends standing on my porch for me and my husband. “We’re coming at you like a freight train! We are going to make you beg for mercy. If you thought January 6 was bad, wait until you see what we have for you!”

In July, the battle shifted to mandated masks for students. Brevard is one of 11 Florida school districts to institute mask mandates in defiance of Gov. Ron DeSantis’s executive order banning them. State Rep. Randy Fine, an anti-mask crusader, posted my cellphone number on his Facebook page and urged residents to call me. When my voice mailbox filled, he encouraged text messages. During televised board meetings, I still receive texts commenting on what I am saying and wearing.

After DeSantis removed me from the audience of a news conference promoting monoclonal antibody treatments and addressing concerns about mask mandates at the county Department of Health last month, more protesters arrived at my home. They claimed to have been sent by Fine, who had been standing beside the governor at the news conference. “Be careful, your mommy hurts little kids!” one shouted at my daughter. “You’re going to jail!” they chanted. As I read my daughter a bedtime story inside, they walked outside her bedroom window toward their parked cars. I went out to ensure that they were leaving. One coughed in my face while another shouted, “Give her covid!” A third swung a “Don’t Tread on Me” flag near my face. My neighbors told me they had seen protesters brandishing weapons in the church parking lot behind my house.

The next day, a large “FU” was burned into my lawn with weed killer. The bushes in front of my house were hacked down. That was the day the Department of Children and Families investigator showed up.

...Recently, a woman passed me in the lobby of the school board offices and yelled, “There’s the wicked witch!” Outside the building, as I was entering, the more restrained protesters had held posters labeling me a dictator and a Nazi. The vocal ones threatened me with jail — again. And now there was a king-size bedsheet affixed to two poles; it was printed with a blood-red hashtag demanding my recall. Sheriff’s deputies stood ready to escort me to the front doors.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/10/20/jennifer-jenkins-brevard-school-board-masks-threats/

what can be done

do you understand my desire to show up where these people show up and scream my guts out at them, maybe even just tackle some of them, get my ass kicked by older white men with sunglasses?

There is a special place in hell for the three @BrevardSchools Board Members who did this to seven year-old Sofia Steel. Please take two minutes and watch the comments I shared at the end of my committee meeting this week. pic.twitter.com/njVGWR9vAl

— Rep. Randy Fine (@VoteRandyFine) October 22, 2021

yeah I don't believe that story one bit

akm, Sunday, 24 October 2021 16:32 (yesterday) link

he's so Fine

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 October 2021 16:34 (yesterday) link

I'm lucky I don't have to interact with these people IRL because I know I would do something extremely stupid if I did

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Sunday, 24 October 2021 17:03 (yesterday) link

I do believe these fascists in Florida made a pretty strong stand your ground law in their state, I believe they should consider using it against these lunatics. It would be fitting.

earlnash, Sunday, 24 October 2021 17:37 (yesterday) link

this seems pretty significant

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/exclusive-jan-6-organizers-met-congress-white-house-1245289/

frogbs, Monday, 25 October 2021 02:34 (twelve hours ago) link

This is really sickening if it's right, and if it's not right Rolling Stone can burn in a fire forever

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 25 October 2021 02:49 (eleven hours ago) link

I literally mean sickening, like you guys I'm sure think I'm a squish, but I don't WANT it to be true that sitting members of Congress would participate in this, I want to believe they unleashed forces they were unable to control, I don't want the reality to be .... this.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 25 October 2021 02:51 (eleven hours ago) link

Huge, if true. Hard to think that Rolling Stone would go public with that story if it were a fabrication or under-sourced.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 25 October 2021 02:59 (eleven hours ago) link

if it's true i imagine it will be everywhere by Tuesday

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Monday, 25 October 2021 03:03 (eleven hours ago) link

iirc the day this happened there were a bunch of stories on Twitter about how members of Congress had given tours to some of these people the week before and I'm pretty sure I remember AOC saying she was confused at how they were able to so easily find her. the degree to which Rs have been opposing a 1/6 commission definitely suggests there's more to the story

if there's any truth to this it's basically the dictionary definition of treason, hopefully the Dems treat it as such

frogbs, Monday, 25 October 2021 03:07 (eleven hours ago) link

it would absolutely not surprise me at all if it were true which is pretty damning in any case

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Monday, 25 October 2021 03:08 (eleven hours ago) link

it's basically the dictionary definition of treason, hopefully the Dems treat it as such

hard agree, but my sense is that the Dem leadership has zero appetite for putting on any trials for treason. I doubt they can even muster the will to have the traitors expelled from congress, which would be a crying shame.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 25 October 2021 03:16 (eleven hours ago) link

members of Congress had given tours to some of these people the week before

that is vastly different from what the linked article alleges

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 25 October 2021 03:17 (eleven hours ago) link

for the sake of "in case this gets taken down or edited"

EXCLUSIVE: Jan. 6 Protest Organizers Say They Participated in ‘Dozens’ of Planning Meetings With Members of Congress and White House Staff
Two sources are communicating with House investigators and detailed a stunning series of allegations to Rolling Stone, including a promise of a “blanket pardon” from the Oval Office
By HUNTER WALKER

As the House investigation into the Jan. 6 attack heats up, some of the planners of the pro-Trump rallies that took place in Washington, D.C., have begun communicating with congressional investigators and sharing new information about what happened when the former president’s supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol. Two of these people have spoken to Rolling Stone extensively in recent weeks and detailed explosive allegations that multiple members of Congress were intimately involved in planning both Trump’s efforts to overturn his election loss and the Jan. 6 events that turned violent.

Rolling Stone separately confirmed a third person involved in the main Jan. 6 rally in D.C. has communicated with the committee. This is the first report that the committee is hearing major new allegations from potential cooperating witnesses. While there have been prior indications that members of Congress were involved, this is also the first account detailing their purported role and its scope. The two sources also claim they interacted with members of Trump’s team, including former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, who they describe as having had an opportunity to prevent the violence.

The two sources, both of whom have been granted anonymity due to the ongoing investigation, describe participating in “dozens” of planning briefings ahead of that day when Trump supporters broke into the Capitol as his election loss to President Joe Biden was being certified.

“I remember Marjorie Taylor Greene specifically,” the organizer says. “I remember talking to probably close to a dozen other members at one point or another or their staffs.”

For the sake of clarity, we will refer to one of the sources as a rally organizer and the other as a planner. Rolling Stone has confirmed that both sources were involved in organizing the main event aimed at objecting to the electoral certification, which took place at the White House Ellipse on Jan. 6. Trump spoke at that rally and encouraged his supporters to march to the Capitol. Some members of the audience at the Ellipse began walking the mile and a half to the Capitol as Trump gave his speech. The barricades were stormed minutes before the former president concluded his remarks.

These two sources also helped plan a series of demonstrations that took place in multiple states around the country in the weeks between the election and the storming of the Capitol. According to these sources, multiple people associated with the March for Trump and Stop the Steal events that took place during this period communicated with members of Congress throughout this process.

Along with Greene, the conspiratorial pro-Trump Republican from Georgia who took office earlier this year, the pair both say the members who participated in these conversations or had top staffers join in included Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.), Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.), Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.), Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), and Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas).

“We would talk to Boebert’s team, Cawthorn’s team, Gosar’s team like back to back to back to back,” says the organizer.

And Gosar, who has been one of the most prominent defenders of the Jan. 6 rioters, allegedly took things a step further. Both sources say he dangled the possibility of a “blanket pardon” in an unrelated ongoing investigation to encourage them to plan the protests.

“Our impression was that it was a done deal,” the organizer says, “that he’d spoken to the president about it in the Oval … in a meeting about pardons and that our names came up. They were working on submitting the paperwork and getting members of the House Freedom Caucus to sign on as a show of support.”

The organizer claims the pair received “several assurances” about the “blanket pardon” from Gosar.

“I was just going over the list of pardons and we just wanted to tell you guys how much we appreciate all the hard work you’ve been doing,” Gosar said, according to the organizer.

The rally planner describes the pardon as being offered while “encouraging” the staging of protests against the election. While the organizer says they did not get involved in planning the rallies solely due to the pardon, they were upset that it ultimately did not materialize.

“I would have done it either way with or without the pardon,” the organizer says. “I do truly believe in this country, but to use something like that and put that out on the table when someone is so desperate, it’s really not good business.”

Gosar’s office did not respond to requests for comment on this story. Rolling Stone has separately obtained documentary evidence that both sources were in contact with Gosar and Boebert on Jan. 6. We are not describing the nature of that evidence to preserve their anonymity. The House select committee investigating the attack also has interest in Gosar’s office. Gosar’s chief of staff, Thomas Van Flein, was among the people who were named in the committee’s “sweeping” requests to executive-branch agencies seeking documents and communications from within the Trump administration. Both sources claim Van Flein was personally involved in the conversations about the “blanket pardon” and other discussions about pro-Trump efforts to dispute the election. Van Flein did not respond to a request for comment.

These specific members of Congress were involved in the pro-Trump activism around the election and the electoral certification on Jan. 6. Both Brooks and Cawthorn spoke with Trump at the Ellipse on Jan. 6. In his speech at that event, Brooks, who was reportedly wearing body armor, declared, “Today is the day American patriots start taking down names and kicking ass.” Gosar, Greene, and Boebert were all billed as speakers at the “Wild Protest,” which also took place on Jan. 6 at the Capitol.

Nick Dyer, who is Greene’s communications director, said she was solely involved in planning to object to the electoral certification on the House floor. Spokespeople for the other members of Congress, who the sources describe as involved in the planning for protests, did not respond to requests for comment.

“Congresswoman Greene and her staff were focused on the Congressional election objection on the House floor and had nothing to do with planning of any protest,” Dyer wrote in an email to Rolling Stone.

Dyer further compared Greene’s efforts to dispute certification of Biden’s victory with similar objections certain Democrats lodged against Trump’s first election.

“She objected just like Democrats who have objected to Republican presidential victories over the years,” wrote Dyer. “Just like in 2017, when Jim McGovern, Jamie Raskin, Pramila Jayapal, Barbara Lee, Sheila Jackson Lee, Raul Grijalva, and Maxine Waters tried to prevent President Trump’s election win from being certified.”

Dyer also suggested the public is far more concerned with issues occurring under President Joe Biden than they are with what happened in January.

“No one cares about Jan. 6 when gas prices are skyrocketing, grocery store shelves are empty, unemployment is skyrocketing, businesses are going bankrupt, our border is being invaded, children are forced to wear masks, vaccine mandates are getting workers fired, and 13 members of our military are murdered by the Taliban and Americans are left stranded in Afghanistan,” Dyer wrote.

In another indication members of Congress may have been involved in planning the protests against the election, Ali Alexander, who helped organize the “Wild Protest,” declared in a since-deleted livestream broadcast that Gosar, Brooks, and Biggs helped him formulate the strategy for that event.

“I was the person who came up with the Jan. 6 idea with Congressman Gosar, Congressman Mo Brooks, and Congressman Andy Biggs,” Alexander said at the time. “We four schemed up on putting maximum pressure on Congress while they were voting so that — who we couldn’t lobby — we could change the hearts and the minds of Republicans who were in that body hearing our loud roar from outside.”

Alexander led Stop the Steal, which was one of the main groups promoting efforts to dispute Trump’s loss. In December, he organized a Stop the Steal event in Phoenix, where Gosar was one the main speakers. At that demonstration, Alexander referred to Gosar as “my captain” and declared “one of the other heroes has been Congressman Andy Biggs.”

Alexander did not respond to requests for comment. The rally planner, who accused Alexander of ratcheting up the potential for violence that day while taking advantage of funds from donors and others who helped finance the events, confirmed that he was in contact with those three members of Congress.

“He just couldn’t help himself but go on his live and just talk about everything that he did and who he talked to,” the planner says of Alexander. “So, he, like, really told on himself.”

While it was already clear members of Congress played some role in the Jan. 6 events and similar rallies that occurred in the lead-up to that day, the two sources say they can provide new details about the members’ specific roles in these efforts. The sources plan to share that information with congressional investigators right away. While both sources say their communications with the House’s Jan. 6 committee thus far have been informal, they are expecting to testify publicly.

“I have no problem openly testifying,” the planner says.

A representative for the committee declined to comment. In the past month, the committee has issued subpoenas to top Trump allies, government agencies, and activists who were involved in the planning of events and rallies that took place on that day and in the prior weeks. Multiple sources familiar with the committee’s investigation have confirmed to Rolling Stone that, thus far, it seems to be heavily focused on the financing for the Ellipse rally and similar previous events.

Both of the sources made clear that they still believe in Trump’s agenda. They also have questions about how his election loss occurred. The two sources say they do not necessarily believe there were issues with the actual vote count. However, they are concerned that Democrats gained an unfair advantage in the race due to perceived social media censorship of Trump allies and the voting rules that were implemented as a result of the coronavirus pandemic.

“Democrats used tactics to disrupt their political opposition in ways that frankly were completely unacceptable,” the organizer says.

Despite their remaining affinity for Trump and their questions about the vote, both sources say they were motivated to come forward because of their concerns about how the pro-Trump protests against the election ultimately resulted in the violent attack on the Capitol. Of course, with their other legal issues and the House investigation, both of these sources have clear motivation to cooperate with investigators and turn on their former allies. And both of their accounts paint them in a decidedly favorable light compared with their former allies.

“The reason I’m talking to the committee and the reason it’s so important is that — despite Republicans refusing to participate … this commission’s all we got as far as being able to uncover the truth about what happened at the Capitol that day,” the organizer says. “It’s clear that a lot of bad actors set out to cause chaos. … They made us all look like shit.”

And Trump, they admit, was one of those bad actors. A representative for Trump did not respond to a request for comment.

“The breaking point for me [on Jan. 6 was when] Trump starts talking about walking to the Capitol,” the organizer says. “I was like. ‘Let’s get the fuck out of here.’ ”

“I do kind of feel abandoned by Trump,” says the planner. “I’m actually pretty pissed about it and I’m pissed at him.”

The organizer offers an even more succinct assessment when asked what they would say to Trump.

“What the fuck?” the organizer says.

The two potential witnesses plan to present to the committee allegations about how these demonstrations were funded and to detail communications between organizers and the White House. According to both sources, members of Trump’s administration and former members of his campaign team were involved in the planning. Both describe Katrina Pierson, who worked for Trump’s campaign in 2016 and 2020, as a key liaison between the organizers of protests against the election and the White House.

“Katrina was like our go-to girl,” the organizer says. “She was like our primary advocate.”

Pierson spoke at the Ellipse rally on Jan. 6. She did not respond to requests for comment.

Both sources also describe Trump’s White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows, as someone who played a major role in the conversations surrounding the protests on Jan. 6. Among other things, they both say concerns were raised to Meadows about Alexander’s protest at the Capitol and the potential that it could spark violence. Meadows was subpoenaed by the committee last month as part of a group of four people “with close ties to the former President who were working in or had communications with the White House on or in the days leading up to the January 6th insurrection.”

“Meadows was 100 percent made aware of what was going on,” says the organizer. “He’s also like a regular figure in these really tiny groups of national organizers.”

A separate third source, who has also communicated with the committee and was involved in the Ellipse rally, says Kylie Kremer, one of the key organizers at that event, boasted that she was going to meet with Meadows at the White House ahead of the rally. The committee has been provided with that information. Kremer did not respond to a request for comment.

Both the organizer and the planner say Alexander initially agreed he would not hold his “Wild Protest” at the Capitol and that the Ellipse would be the only major demonstration. When Alexander seemed to be ignoring that arrangement, both claim worries were brought to Meadows.

“Despite making a deal … they plowed forward with their own thing at the Capitol on Jan.y 6 anyway,” the organizer says of Alexander and his allies. “We ended up escalating that to everybody we could, including Meadows.”

A representative for Meadows did not respond to requests for comment.

Along with making plans for Jan. 6, the sources say, the members of Congress who were involved solicited supposed proof of election fraud from them. Challenging electoral certification requires the support of a member of the Senate. While more than a hundred Republican members of the House ultimately objected to the Electoral College count that formalized Trump’s loss, only a handful of senators backed the effort. According to the sources, the members of Congress and their staff advised them to hold rallies in specific states. The organizer says locations were chosen to put “pressure” on key senators that “we considered to be persuadable.”

“We had also been coordinating with some of our congressional contacts on, like, what would be presented after the individual objections, and our expectation was that that was the day the storm was going to arrive,” the organizer says, adding, “It was supposed to be the best evidence that they had been secretly gathering. … Everyone was going to stay at the Ellipse throughout the congressional thing.”

Heading into Jan. 6, both sources say, the plan they had discussed with other organizers, Trump allies, and members of Congress was a rally that would solely take place at the Ellipse, where speakers — including the former president — would present “evidence” about issues with the election. This demonstration would take place in conjunction with objections that were being made by Trump allies during the certification on the House floor that day.

“It was in a variety of calls, some with Gosar and Gosar’s team, some with Marjorie Taylor Greene and her team … Mo Brooks,” the organizer says.

“The Capitol was never in play,” insists the planner.

A senior staffer for a Republican member of Congress, who was also granted anonymity to discuss the ongoing investigation, similarly says they believed the events would only involve supporting objections on the House floor. The staffer says their member was engaged in planning that was “specifically and fully above board.”

“A whole host of people let this go a totally different way,” the senior Republican staffer says. “They fucked it up for a lot of people who were planning to present evidence on the House floor. We were pissed off at everything that happened .”

The two sources claim there were early concerns about Alexander’s event. They had seen him with members of the paramilitary groups 1st Amendment Praetorian (1AP) and the Oath Keepers in his entourage at prior pro-Trump rallies. Alexander was filmed with a reputed member of 1AP at his side at a November Stop the Steal event that took place in Georgia. The two sources also claim to have been concerned about drawing people to the area directly adjacent to the Capitol on Jan. 6, given the anger among Trump supporters about the electoral certification that was underway that day.

“They knew that they weren’t there to sing “Kumbaya” and, like, put up a peace sign,” the planner says. “These frickin’ people were angry.”

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Monday, 25 October 2021 03:25 (eleven hours ago) link

xp right I'm just saying it seems likely this RS story is just the tip of the iceberg

frogbs, Monday, 25 October 2021 03:29 (eleven hours ago) link

Predictably, the spin from conservatives (on twitter, thus far anyway) seems to be “remember the fake campus rape story? nothing Rolling Stone publishes is remotely credible”.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 25 October 2021 04:03 (ten hours ago) link

Yeah but that 100% was an incredible faceplant by Rolling Stone and it 100% does make me ask, when I see something like this, do they do the same due diligence the newspapers do when they have a story they know is going to draw a million clicks. Sorry. And yes, I know, Judith Miller.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 25 October 2021 04:25 (ten hours ago) link

But this particular reporter's bona fides seem fine.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 25 October 2021 04:26 (ten hours ago) link

This is obviously bad but doesn't feel like smoking gun stuff exactly. Everyone knew Trump was deeply involved in promoting the rally. He was the one who told everyone to come. It's not, like, White House people on the phone saying, "Break the doors down!" (I'm not saying that didn't happen, but there's nothing like that in this story.)

“No one cares about Jan. 6 when gas prices are skyrocketing, grocery store shelves are empty, unemployment is skyrocketing, businesses are going bankrupt, our border is being invaded, children are forced to wear masks, vaccine mandates are getting workers fired, and 13 members of our military are murdered by the Taliban and Americans are left stranded in Afghanistan,” Dyer wrote.

LOOK AT ALL THESE FIRES WE'VE STARTED SINCE THEN!

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 25 October 2021 04:30 (ten hours ago) link

i'm also underwhelmed. i expect the response from the dozen or so republicans that were named to all be a version of "yes, we were in touch with them on the issue of investigating the very suspicious election of 2020, which were of course filled with so many irregularities..." etc etc etc, and on their favored media outlets, they'll never get asked about it again

by the way if something like this would have come out in 2015 i would still be puking my guts up in shock. it's just....the republicans are very openly supportive of all this now. it's a litmus test, and even more so on a state GOP level. they are systematically replacing the few people they had who put up any sort of fight to fascism. it's not an exaggeration, and this doesn't surprise me anymore. yes, that is horrifying

it's the collective effect of stuff like this:

Marjorie Taylor Greene lies to a crowd, saying 40% of Democrats want Biden impeached. One of the two main parties in the US has been taken over by authoritarian extremists who say the most insane, obviously wrong lies—and then the crowds cheer. pic.twitter.com/jFjMGcUKoH

— Brian Klaas (@brianklaas) October 24, 2021

"40% of democrats - as high as 40% of democrats, want joe biden impeached"

applause

will any of them ever know? no, because the ones that know better aren't going to say no or correct anyone

typo hell #14: neanderthal started writing it not know how it (Karl Malone), Monday, 25 October 2021 04:40 (nine hours ago) link

dictionary definition of treason, hopefully the Dems treat it as such

good one :)

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 25 October 2021 06:29 (eight hours ago) link

Fascists are good for business.

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/how-billionaires-pass-wealth-to-heirs-tax-free-2021/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

earlnash, Monday, 25 October 2021 11:44 (two hours ago) link

True or not, absolutely nothing is going to come of this 1/6 story or the investigation.

Hannibal Lecture (PBKR), Monday, 25 October 2021 12:09 (two hours ago) link

My favorite current conspiracy theory is that Greene is the hooded would-be pipe bomber of Jan. 6., based on the way she walks. Which is of course ridiculous, so, in other words, totally plausible.

Though curiously, I remember as it was happening a lot of armchair sleuths hypothesized that the figure was female, so who knows.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 October 2021 12:33 (two hours ago) link

yea well I say "seems like a big deal" b/c obviously I don't know what is or isn't anymore. for example I thought the Ukraine story would be swept under the rug as example 700 of "Trump can do whatever he wants" but he got himself impeached over it so who knows. my hunch is that there is going to be a lot more to come on this and some pretty damning stuff is gonna come out of the 1/6 commission outside of just "they were talking to each other". who knows if it's gonna matter in any sense but the Republican party going full on QAnon Terrorist is probably not gonna be good for them come midterms

frogbs, Monday, 25 October 2021 13:24 (one hour ago) link

Midterms? Eh, I think people are pretty dug in to their various opinions on 1/6.

If you think it was a very bad day and a treasonous threat to democracy itself, no information from an investigation or commission is going to make you change your mind.

If you think it was a messy but understandable reaction to the VERY OBVIOUS ELECTION IRREGULARITIES etc., no information from an investigation or commission is going to make you change your mind.

If you think it was patriots rising up to defend freedom, see above. If you think it was an Antifa/BLM false flag, see above. If you think it was perhaps a trifle raucous and uncouth, but ultimately not a big deal, see above. If you just don't give a shit and wish people would stop talking about it, well, y'know, see above.

Karl as usual has the right of it:

a version of "yes, we were in touch with them on the issue of investigating the very suspicious election of 2020, which were of course filled with so many irregularities..." etc etc etc

mothersbaugh of invention (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 25 October 2021 13:44 (fifty-five minutes ago) link

that's the line they're already using!

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 October 2021 13:46 (fifty-three minutes ago) link

Right, Trump & co. said "make your voice heard" but stopped short of "break down the doors, smash the windows, beat up the cops, etc.," hence there is no There there electorally speaking. I don't predict a single vote-changing revelation, but would be thrilled if I am wrong on that point.

mothersbaugh of invention (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 25 October 2021 14:03 (thirty-six minutes ago) link

Right, Trump & co. said "make your voice heard" but stopped short of "break down the doors, smash the windows, beat up the cops, etc.,"

People in this country are refusing to take a vaccine for a raging pandemic and ppl think some revelations that Trump & co. actually did say these things will make a difference: not a chance.

Hannibal Lecture (PBKR), Monday, 25 October 2021 14:11 (twenty-eight minutes ago) link


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