Tomtit in the tilth -- the NY TIMES SPELLING BEE thread

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ITT we will:
- Crow about your QBs.
- Carp about perfectly cromulent words that are not accepted.
- Curse Sam for thinking that "heptane" is a common word.

No ses or ers need apply.

wildleee questionable baking substitutions (Leee), Thursday, 12 August 2021 21:25 (nine months ago) link

Also is using https://www.shunn.net/bee/latest considered cheating.

wildleee questionable baking substitutions (Leee), Thursday, 12 August 2021 23:14 (nine months ago) link

Two pangrams today, and I've only been able to find one...

wildleee questionable baking substitutions (Leee), Tuesday, 17 August 2021 18:14 (nine months ago) link

And Spelling Bee helped me with Learned League yesterday!

wildleee questionable baking substitutions (Leee), Wednesday, 18 August 2021 18:20 (nine months ago) link

Pineal (as in the gland, which Descartes believed was the seat of the soul) missing from yesterday’s bee

flopson, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 18:29 (nine months ago) link

yet “peen” is included 🤔

flopson, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 18:30 (nine months ago) link

i tried pineal, too! i know it from the movie From Beyond where stimulating the gland causes you to...see into other dimensions and turn into an insane monster? i'm fuzzy on the details

orifex, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 19:28 (nine months ago) link

Note to self: DITTOheads are IDIOTs.

wildleee questionable baking substitutions (Leee), Wednesday, 25 August 2021 22:31 (nine months ago) link

I don't have a NYT games subscription so I've been doing https://bee.ignoble.dev instead.

adam t. (abanana), Wednesday, 25 August 2021 23:42 (nine months ago) link

thank you for sharing that! it doesn't work on my laptop for some reason, but it will be a great diversion for times when I just have my phone

I finally gave in and got a 1-year NYT Games subscription last week, and have enjoyed doing the crossword and spelling bee each day

Dan S, Thursday, 26 August 2021 00:01 (eight months ago) link

It didn't let me type into the game, either, so I think it just doesn't support physical keyboards.

wildleee questionable baking substitutions (Leee), Thursday, 26 August 2021 00:49 (eight months ago) link

got 1 point from genius in today's puzzle then got completely stumped. brutal

flopson, Thursday, 26 August 2021 05:37 (eight months ago) link

Yeah, the letters weren't very fun, I just managed to reach genius but mostly gave up thereafter.

wildleee questionable baking substitutions (Leee), Thursday, 26 August 2021 06:01 (eight months ago) link

Trying to hit 400 points today (QB almost certainly out of reach), but I've probably topped out at 67/392.

wildleee questionable baking substitutions (Leee), Saturday, 28 August 2021 18:16 (eight months ago) link

What is QB? I got to 349 points and 59 words and stopped. I like these ones where you can find a lot of words

Dan S, Sunday, 29 August 2021 01:48 (eight months ago) link

QB = queen bee = you find every possible word

thanks

I love this game

Dan S, Sunday, 29 August 2021 03:27 (eight months ago) link

I usually stop a few words after genius but I got QB a few times the past week. Yesterday was too much like work tho.

KPH, Sunday, 29 August 2021 20:30 (eight months ago) link

embolize should have been included as a word in today's puzzle

Dan S, Sunday, 29 August 2021 22:44 (eight months ago) link

The other day “unceded” was not on the word list, which surprised me as it’s a word I hear or read almost daily here in British Columbia. But perhaps it’s too uncommon in the US.

Other missing words from recent puzzles
Tuatara
Annatto

I’ve never made it to queen bee. Closest I’ve come is the other day when I was only missing tomtit.

I’ve played this game every so often since it started but just in the past few weeks have I gotten more obsessive about it.

Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Monday, 30 August 2021 05:40 (eight months ago) link

I admittedly don't want to shell out for a Games sub so I just play until it stops me, which usually takes about a minute lol

Kind regards, Anus (the table is the table), Monday, 30 August 2021 17:08 (eight months ago) link

does anyone else have words that evade your grasp no matter how many times they show up in a puzzle, even though it's a word you're already familiar with? e.g. i appear to be totally incapable of entering MELEE in any puzzle that has M, E and L in it

donna rouge, Monday, 30 August 2021 17:23 (eight months ago) link

I'm sure I have loads, but the one I can currently think of is DITTO, hence the mnemonic I posted upthread.

Moz Jabroni (Leee), Monday, 30 August 2021 17:28 (eight months ago) link

feign and deign a couple of days ago were impossible for me

Dan S, Monday, 30 August 2021 23:28 (eight months ago) link

got a few semi-obscure words today but couldn’t get lantana

Dan S, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 03:42 (eight months ago) link

he's that guy who does the youtube record review, right?

Pretty easy QB today which was a relief after yesterday although not accepting wiggity is wack.

KPH, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 23:30 (eight months ago) link

Yes, got to QB for the first time

Dan S, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 00:07 (eight months ago) link

the hardest word for me today was a common four-letter word, I just couldn’t think of it

Dan S, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 00:20 (eight months ago) link

I was surprised they accepted wiggy

Dan S, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 00:36 (eight months ago) link

got QB today too ^_^

flopson, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 02:13 (eight months ago) link

came upon wight just by accident, don’t think I’ve ever heard it used in a sentence except on Game of Thrones

Dan S, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 03:35 (eight months ago) link

Sigh, add THIGH to the list of common words I always overlook (and which was the one word I missed yesterday).

Moz Jabroni (Leee), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 15:24 (eight months ago) link

Loanwords beef: NADA is a frequent answer (and I think that we've seen FINITO before), but not HOLA (meanwhile, ALOHA is accepted).

Moz Jabroni (Leee), Thursday, 2 September 2021 18:02 (eight months ago) link

I agree with you, but it is worth noting that ALOHA is an enormously common word of a US colony, whereas HOLA is...well, not.

Kind regards, Anus (the table is the table), Thursday, 2 September 2021 19:50 (eight months ago) link

Well, Hawaii is a state, but then what about NADA and FINITO? We borrowed those straight from Spanish, and furthermore, HOLA is extremely common in several American states too.

Moz Jabroni (Leee), Thursday, 2 September 2021 20:19 (eight months ago) link

Yeah, I mean, I agree. I was just thinking about possible reasons!

Kind regards, Anus (the table is the table), Thursday, 2 September 2021 20:26 (eight months ago) link

Another note: ALOHA, NADA, and FINITO are all valid words in Scrabble. HOLA is not.

Kind regards, Anus (the table is the table), Thursday, 2 September 2021 20:28 (eight months ago) link

the pangram hasn't usually been the hardest word for me to get, but today it was

Dan S, Friday, 3 September 2021 01:20 (eight months ago) link

i have a whole ran abt this ill prob unleash itt but compound word pangrams (like today’s) are super annoying and unsatisfying

flopson, Friday, 3 September 2021 02:05 (eight months ago) link

I think I've found at least one other compound word pangram made of two 4-letter words in the last couple of weeks, but can't think of what it was at the moment. I liked expanding plane to biplane, and also discovering the suffix -ize to expand demon to demonize and demonized

Dan S, Friday, 3 September 2021 02:17 (eight months ago) link

xps

I think there is some validity to the argument that NADA and maybe even FINITO are words that an American English speaker might use as slang, without feeling like they are borrowing a word from Spanish. HOLA might be just as likely as those to be used by an English speaker, but I think said speaker would be more likely to feel like they are using a Spanish word for effect. It is admittedly a slim distinction but I think I can grasp their rationale. Not sure where ALOHA fits into that - it seems to be sort of in the middle of that scale, with the caveat that a lot of Americans might use it without even being able to identify it as being from another language (thinking it's just Hawaiian slang).

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 3 September 2021 17:18 (eight months ago) link

it feels slightly diminishing to even think along these lines and it’s a failing of the game imo. not saying i know how to fix it. the crossword has worked out a way to include proper names, foreign words, slang mottos like BALLISLIFE and more while also maintaining a famously rigorous clue style that allows for very precise solving. it’s hard to discern a personality behind spelling bee. its dead ends don’t describe the outline of anything in particular. “is it american” is one of the least interesting things i can imagine a puzzle forcing me to think about.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 3 September 2021 20:31 (eight months ago) link

i agree with all that, i guess that's why I don't think Spelling Bee is really in the same ballpark as crosswords

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 3 September 2021 20:45 (eight months ago) link

The itch that SB scratches that the crossword doesn't is that iterative variation thing where you're going through -ED or -ING words. I don't need a personality from it (though complaining about the omissions/inclusions is now part of the appeal, not to mention the culture), and the anagramming itself is extremely fulfilling -- and if I'm being pretentious (and wrong), it makes me feel like I'm Nabokov.

I will say, though, that after some days that are a slog, and seeing my score at 0 with the new day's letters feels like an endless ratrace.

Moz Jabroni (Leee), Friday, 3 September 2021 21:55 (eight months ago) link

As always with any puzzle or game of this nature the gatekeeping around what is omitted is where it falls down

It should wear this role as lightly as possible given the frankly nonsensical words it does allow through

I think that it is getting the mix badly wrong myself tbh

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Friday, 3 September 2021 22:36 (eight months ago) link

for the most part when the puzzle doesn't accept a word I'm content to move on. agree with Leee about the anagram aspect of it being fulfilling

Dan S, Friday, 3 September 2021 23:25 (eight months ago) link

same but how is FIEF not acceptable i ask you

think “Gypsy-Pixie” and misspelled. (We are a white family.) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 4 September 2021 01:50 (eight months ago) link

the lack of footprints to trace back good days and bad is not a feature it's a bug

think “Gypsy-Pixie” and misspelled. (We are a white family.) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 4 September 2021 01:50 (eight months ago) link

fief was accepted! I was surprised by that

Dan S, Saturday, 4 September 2021 02:10 (eight months ago) link

I guess it has no hyphen here in the US, but does have one in the UK.

Ramones Leave the Capitol (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 16 April 2022 12:01 (one month ago) link

yeah starting to get annoyed with sam again. ALCHEMICAL is most certainly a word.
(putting in spoilers tags because even though it’s not accepted it contains a valid word that is)

scanner darkly, Sunday, 17 April 2022 17:03 (one month ago) link

ha, just came here to complain about that word too

Roz, Sunday, 17 April 2022 17:10 (one month ago) link

Sam being Sam again and not accepting a word he used to (in this case OCOTILLO).

Pomelo Anthony (Leee), Monday, 18 April 2022 19:12 (one month ago) link

I never heard of a boodle, and it still irks me that bole is not acceptable.

trishyb, Wednesday, 20 April 2022 15:31 (one month ago) link

Re today’s words: so glad I remembered UNTUNEFUL from the other day.

Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 April 2022 13:17 (one month ago) link

Yeah that one is out there but at least comprehensible. there is utterly no way I would have gotten venule without hints and guessing

Fifty Centaur (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 21 April 2022 19:24 (one month ago) link

Me neither.

Sometimes when there are this many words it gets to the point where even after I have given up on my own steam (hopefully after getting pangrams and genius) and looking at all the clues I still can't tell which words I missed.

Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 April 2022 19:49 (one month ago) link

Also, really wanted LENTEN, I assume he left out because usually capitalized.

Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 April 2022 19:51 (one month ago) link

Again with the formerly-accepted-but-not-today: TELNET.

Born Sleeepy (Nuxx) (Leee), Thursday, 21 April 2022 20:52 (one month ago) link

DIdn't even try.

Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 April 2022 20:53 (one month ago) link

Feel like there was a good (rejected) screenname based on that one once.

Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 April 2022 20:56 (one month ago) link

Surpised I didnt tihnk to try that one Leee, given my profession haha.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 22 April 2022 02:54 (one month ago) link

Guess LEXEME is still too technical

Eric B. Is Hesitant (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 11:30 (four weeks ago) link

british spelling not being accepted is especially annoying today

scanner darkly, Monday, 2 May 2022 13:59 (three weeks ago) link

lol just came here to post “they’re really trolling the brits/aussies today”

donna rouge, Monday, 2 May 2022 14:08 (three weeks ago) link

.. and canadians

scanner darkly, Monday, 2 May 2022 14:29 (three weeks ago) link

ha yes them too, sorry canadians

managed to get to QB w/hints

donna rouge, Monday, 2 May 2022 15:51 (three weeks ago) link

I think I've come up to three or four short but have never achieved QB without hints. there are always four-letter words that I forget, so I try to do those first

Dan S, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 01:12 (three weeks ago) link

QB was easy today, I tried the AU/UK -our spellings just in case. He seems to use alt spellings sometimes but not always? I guess it'd get too messy.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 01:36 (three weeks ago) link

the alternate spellings are not usually a problem

but even trying to conjure compound words like falloff, nobleman/noblewoman, bellmen I often miss them

Dan S, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 01:54 (three weeks ago) link

Some of the, um, fun is typing in still-foreign words and hoping they will be accepted like CEMITA.

Johnny Thunderwords (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 May 2022 12:01 (two weeks ago) link

Lol James, I think I tried MAMACITA at least twice today

may the florist be with you (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 7 May 2022 23:41 (two weeks ago) link

I’m too sexy for my (no longer acceptable) CATAMITE.

Johnny Thunderwords (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 May 2022 23:47 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah I tried that too; meanwhile CRAP and CRAPPING were fine just a couple days ago

may the florist be with you (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 7 May 2022 23:52 (two weeks ago) link

I had another pair to gripe about but capitalization.

Johnny Thunderwords (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 May 2022 23:53 (two weeks ago) link

there were a lot of chemistry words today

tried both mamacita and catamite

missed words like climatic, lacteal, acetate

Dan S, Sunday, 8 May 2022 00:22 (two weeks ago) link

and titmice!

Dan S, Sunday, 8 May 2022 00:23 (two weeks ago) link

chemistry words and medical words

acetal
acetic
acetate
calcite
malic

celiac
iliac
lactic

Dan S, Sunday, 8 May 2022 00:48 (two weeks ago) link

didn't hide it all, sorry

but not ictal, which an often used medical term

Dan S, Sunday, 8 May 2022 00:51 (two weeks ago) link

Keep typing LAIRD to no avail.

Johnny Thunderwords (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 8 May 2022 11:06 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah that’s bullshit. Fuck catamite not counting as well!!

gop on ya gingrich (wins), Sunday, 8 May 2022 17:32 (two weeks ago) link

Inclusions are never bullshit ime, exclusions are often bullshit

gop on ya gingrich (wins), Sunday, 8 May 2022 17:35 (two weeks ago) link

Tomtit talks and bullshit walks.

Don't Renege On (Our Dub) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 8 May 2022 19:30 (two weeks ago) link

Biggest bullshit today might be that none of the variant spellings of arrack are accepted

gop on ya gingrich (wins), Monday, 9 May 2022 07:16 (two weeks ago) link

That’s right folks, The CADDY.

Don't Renege On (Our Dub) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 9 May 2022 11:28 (two weeks ago) link

Ok I know the whole gag is that definitions of obscure are like subjective but let’s be real there exists no sane rationale for iodine but not iodide. It’s stoopid

gop on ya gingrich (wins), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 23:03 (two weeks ago) link

a lot of chemistry words again today! oxide, dioxide, diode, iodine, monoxide, neon, xenon

I got doxxed but didn't think of doxx or the alternate spelling of the past tense, doxed

Dan S, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 23:22 (two weeks ago) link

No HIPPING, no credibility.

Don't Renege On (Our Dub) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 08:40 (two weeks ago) link

QB no hints today!

feel like CAPING should be a word?

donna rouge, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 14:18 (two weeks ago) link

Well done! May your reign last forever!

Agree on caping. I was genuinely surprised that there was no pipping allowed either.

trishyb, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 14:44 (two weeks ago) link

I absolutely smashed it yday, QB in no time & some v satisfying words like COLDCOCKED

Another bit of editorial stupidity to complain about tho: DECKLE but not DECKLED? The latter form is the only one I ever encounter, ymmv but in any case why would you not have both

gop on ya gingrich (wins), Saturday, 14 May 2022 13:02 (one week ago) link

yes otm

in orbit probably has thoughts on this

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 14 May 2022 15:34 (one week ago) link

Thought the same thing about DECKLED.

Don't Renege On (Our Dub) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 May 2022 15:37 (one week ago) link

Having real trouble getting to genius today!

Santa Barbarous (Leee), Monday, 16 May 2022 18:19 (one week ago) link

I hit the wall a while back as well. Will need the hints tonight I guess

Don't Renege On (Our Dub) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 May 2022 18:30 (one week ago) link

i got there but it felt like tacking against the wind

Tracer Hand, Monday, 16 May 2022 20:17 (one week ago) link

Just made it to Genius but now I want to collapse.

Don't Renege On (Our Dub) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 01:08 (one week ago) link

Okay, kind of annoyed FLAM is not accepted.

Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 May 2022 10:11 (two days ago) link


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