Enough With The Cutesy Titles, People Are Dead: US Politics January 2021 pt 2

I'm not a huge Pete fan, but some of the hate seems a little OTT. He seems like an avatar for what people don't like about neoliberalism/meritocracy/Dem establishment.

he's terrible but he also seems like he might be the least bad transportation secretary we've ever had (which granted is a very low bar).

Anyone who voluntarily goes to serve empire in an unjust war isn't a nice person

This is overly condemnatory in that it assumes only bad motives could result in such an action. Most volunteers are 18 year olds fresh out of high school, who were educated to think of the USA as God's gift to the world and our military adventures as noble pursuits. They usually find out different only after they are shipped out to a war zone. What makes Pete's service particularly disgusting in my view is that I'm certain he did it in order to have that military service on his resume when he eventually ran for office.

pareene on manchin

https://newrepublic.com/article/161013/dont-worry-joe-manchin

Wait, so does this mean that Mayor Pete and McConnell are married now? Federal-level machinations are so esoteric to me.

I'm not a huge Pete fan, but some of the hate seems a little OTT. He seems like an avatar for what people don't like about neoliberalism/meritocracy/Dem establishment.

Dude is, at best, indifferent on racial issues and it's arguable (as many have) that his tenure as South Bend mayor shows he was actively hostile towards his Black constituents/employees, often while smiling to their faces and claiming to have their backs.

someone asked me why Pete wasn't all that good and I gave reasons and they snidely said "other than that Mrs Lincoln, how was the show"

beat him to death with his own fedora

jaymc, I was very "eh who cares" about Buttigieg until I read this: https://www.theroot.com/mayor-pete-s-invisible-black-police-1840727624

Every fan of Buttigieg (I refuse too call him by his first name) I know is Hispanic and hates dating their own ethnicity.

traister largely otm here, particularly "Things fall apart and yet the center can hold. It holds and holds and holds" and "In his contest, questions not just of identity but of ideas were put to the side"

https://www.thecut.com/2021/01/biden-america-is-back-indeed.html

I want Biden to have his FDR-size presidency, to take the best ideas, the smartest people, the propellant energy they provide, to make this nation better, more just, more equitable; to provide more dignity and opportunity and protection for more people. And then what I want to give him credit for is stepping aside to let them take us forward. I want to believe that this could be what’s ahead: a remaking and not a restoration. I need to believe in a future in which the real drivers and laborers and perfectors of our democracy actually become its leaders.

But … we’re not there yet. So in the meantime, I guess this is my dream: the American Dream. In which the video ends with the ordinary white guy as the hero of the story.

I'm grateful that the career of Buttigieg demonstrates how glib, articulate gayness doesn't protect you from racism.

Finally, he strikes me as the sort of person who would order the most expensive glass of pinot noir at a Cheesecake Factory.

lmao

haha burn

wow, harsh but fair

Alfred heard the console say "Finish him", and he wasn't going for no Babbality

oof

The Buttigieg superfan I stopped talking to was also 100% in the tank for Joe Kennedy, decrying Markey as an out-of-touch fool who ignored most of the state of Massachusetts. I stopped talking to him shortly after Kennedy's campaign produced a list of MA cities Markey hadn't cited as locations of his accomplishments since he became senator as evidence that Markey only cared about Boston without noticing that three of them were underneath the Quabbin Reservoir and hadn't existed since the 1930s: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/27/metro/kennedy-hit-markey-ignoring-towns-dana-enfield-prescott-there-was-just-one-problem/

I showed him this link and his response was "so what if his campaign made a mistake, it's the candidate who counts" and I was like "... you know the candidate picks the people who put together the campaign and that Kennedy picked people who are dumb as shit?" and then hit "hide" on Facebook

the weirdest was my progressive gay friend who was obsessed with Tulsi Gabbard for a long time. her anti-LGBTQ+ remarks from the past weren't the deal-breaker, her voting against impeachment for Trump was

Thanks for the new screenname map.

This thread has become a case study in why the gay threads never get any posts anymore.

Good mourning!

I showed him this link and his response was "so what if his campaign made a mistake, it's the candidate who counts" and I was like "... you know the candidate picks the people who put together the campaign and that Kennedy picked people who are dumb as shit?" and then hit "hide" on Facebook

I seriously wonder if some people think candidates are *assigned* campaign officials

Every fan of Buttigieg (I refuse too call him by his first name) I know is Hispanic and hates dating their own ethnicity.

― meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, January 22, 2021 5:43 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i also appreciated this devastating burn-by-association

xpost where's the lax(ative) returns?

No Babbality
I like the way you work it
No Babbality
I got to bag it up

This thread has become a case study in why the gay threads never get any posts anymore.

― avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Friday, January 22, 2021 5:59 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

because of hyper-curated, incredibly frail senses of individual specialness that are injured when touched? yes, true.

tbf to you i think it's more to do with generational divides and the few queer people on here being 1) busy and 2) more different than they are the same.

More of a "none of the participants would be likely to share a drink together irl."

xp yeah that

yes, and sorry for the unnecessary insult, i almost always appreciate and am enlightened by your posts.

I've poured a few with ILX queers at NYC, and we never ordered Long Island Iced Teas at TGI Friday's.

how were the Long Island Iced Teas at Guy Fieri's restaurant, tho

Served with blue cheese, broccoli, and Jell-O floaters?

I would love to pour Alfred a nice shot of malort :D

and donkey sauce xp

xp all on a nice bed of sushi roll, sounds delicious

I drank malort in Chicago with ILXors and liked it

Insult entirely necessary. Admitting I’m much closer to a Pete Buttigieg than a Table is the Table gay isn’t an endorsement of self by any means.

eric, it's an objective fact you aren't nearly as craven as p.b., even if you might share some sensibilities. we all have pretty normal levels of craven here afaict.

xp

i would VERY MUCH love to order a round of malorts for chilxors, once we all get the vaccine

...and once it's safe to do so. you know what i mean

J3ss3 bought me the shot IIRC

I've had Malort! Several times. Tastes like Buttigieg

take it to ILTMI buddy

I would have drinks with all of you gays. I'm actually a pretty nice guy who only occasionally rambles and rants like a stoned, angry visual theory professor at a second rate arts college, and I don't do that when I'm drinking. Mostly I make jokes and talk about dick.

US Politics Jan 2021: Guys Who Like Guys Go Drinking

Malort has made it a bit easier, because now they make both bourbon and hand sanitizer, too, so there are options.

table I'm guessing that we have like 1 degree of separation in the West Coast trainhopping crusty anarcho dog-on-a-rope crowd, would drink w/u anytime

Okay, I had to google Malort, will have to try it.
I did buy something called Rock & Rye in Chicago and it was really awful.

Okay, I had to google Malort, will have to try it.

lol, so did i. though my drinking days are done, i would pop an edible, drink a lot of water and talk everyone's ears off.