when did twitter stop being cool?

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2006 - jack dorsey sends the first tweet 19
2015 - "while you were away", tweetdeck, moments, favs are now likes, tweets are now indexed on google 13
2014 - algorithmic feed 13
2016 - photos don't count toward character count, location tags, twitter kills vine, algorithmic feed is default 8
2009 - ashton kutcher explains what twitter is on oprah, donald trump and ilx user kevin k join twitter 7
2011 - "old twitter" phased out, twitter is now facebook 4
2018 - character limit expanded to 280 2
2013 - twitter files IPO and goes public, twitter music (??) launched 2
2007 - the hashtag is introduced 2
2012 - new search engine, new logo, acquires vine 1
2008 - bezos buys in, dorsey steps down as CEO 1
2019 - 2020 - surely some stuff happened 1
2010 - promoted tweets, first tweet from space, dick costolo takes over as CEO 0
2017 - "explore" tab is now the "moments" tab 0
2021 - beloved poster donald trump banned 0


k3vin k., Thursday, 14 January 2021 03:18 (one week ago) link

2015

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 January 2021 03:30 (one week ago) link

the 2013-2015 period is when it really started to go downhill imo

k3vin k., Thursday, 14 January 2021 03:42 (one week ago) link

2014 tipping point, 2015 is a cavalcade of downgrades

shivers me timber (sic), Thursday, 14 January 2021 03:50 (one week ago) link

280 char was an improvement tho

shivers me timber (sic), Thursday, 14 January 2021 03:51 (one week ago) link

when did favstar go down

Clay, Thursday, 14 January 2021 03:51 (one week ago) link

gamergate

as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Thursday, 14 January 2021 04:09 (one week ago) link

I mean it was never cool but I vaguely remember it being fun sometimes before then

as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Thursday, 14 January 2021 04:10 (one week ago) link

2006

pomenitul, Thursday, 14 January 2021 04:10 (one week ago) link

2011.

man I remember the fun days when all I did was use Twitter all day to try and get my fav rappers to tweet me back.

pretty successful there!

Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Thursday, 14 January 2021 04:16 (one week ago) link

when did the blue checks start?

k3vin k., Thursday, 14 January 2021 04:23 (one week ago) link

I started on twitter in 2009 and there were verified accounts then

Fenners' Pen (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 14 January 2021 04:29 (one week ago) link

it’s still cool imo, ur feed probably just ossified and u don’t follow cool ppl

flopson, Thursday, 14 January 2021 04:37 (one week ago) link

TweetDeck has been around since 2008. (I've been using it since 2012.) Looks like 2015 is when they rolled out "TweetDeck Teams," which I have never heard of, but I guess is a way for brands to give multiple people access to the same account without sharing a password.

jaymc, Thursday, 14 January 2021 04:40 (one week ago) link

also none of the ui features in the poll affected its quality or coolness at all, just something for people who get traumatized by website redesign to hyperventilate about. even switching to 260 characters, i had already forgotten about 140 after 2 days

flopson, Thursday, 14 January 2021 04:41 (one week ago) link

Personally, I feel like there's a clear divide in my own Twitter experience between pre-2016 and post-2016, but it's less a matter of Twitter no longer being "cool" and more just a general shift in tenor (for obvious reasons).

jaymc, Thursday, 14 January 2021 04:52 (one week ago) link

When did they fuck up the TL so you no longer were presented with things chronologically?

Fenners' Pen (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 14 January 2021 04:54 (one week ago) link

it felt cooler prior to 2015-16 but i was also pretty bewildered by it for my first couple years on it (joined in 2013) and part of it feeling chaotic and wild was probably my confusion. i definitely remember feeling really annoyed at a lot of the big absurd/weird accounts of the time becoming angry political accounts. but then i just unfollowed a lot of rage-follows and now my feed is a delight. it’s hard to separate trends in coolness from a general aging effect of my twitter “cohort“. i follow some younger ppl but like my feed is definitely aging with me

flopson, Thursday, 14 January 2021 04:57 (one week ago) link

When did they fuck up the TL so you no longer were presented with things chronologically?

― Fenners' Pen (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, January 13, 2021 11:54 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

u can still make it chronological by clicking a button at the top. doesn’t make a huge difference in my xp, mostly it means i don’t see tweets by british ppl

flopson, Thursday, 14 January 2021 04:58 (one week ago) link

flopson at 10:41 13 Jan 21

also none of the ui features in the poll affected its quality or coolness at all, just something for people who get traumatized by website redesign to hyperventilate about. even switching to 260 characters, i had already forgotten about 140 after 2 days


I am a dork and was huffy about the switch to 260 and also got used to it in about a day, and now could not imagine having only 140 characters

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 14 January 2021 05:01 (one week ago) link

yeah fsr i cared about that one too at the time. i thought brevity was the soul of wit or wtv but 260 is still pretty brief and tweets are still quite witty

flopson, Thursday, 14 January 2021 05:02 (one week ago) link

When did they fuck up the TL so you no longer were presented with things chronologically?

2014 - algorithmic feed

shivers me timber (sic), Thursday, 14 January 2021 05:07 (one week ago) link

what was the first threaded tweet that was like 1/ STRAP IN that might be it

Clay, Thursday, 14 January 2021 05:07 (one week ago) link

the algorithmic feed is when it started to go downhill. before then, there was much less of the “main character” effect and the people who interacted with each other seemed to actually want to interact with each other. there was less drive-by dunking

boz conspiracy by toby hus (voodoo chili), Thursday, 14 January 2021 05:08 (one week ago) link

also none of the ui features in the poll affected its quality or coolness at all, just something for people who get traumatized by website redesign to hyperventilate about

stars vs hearts rly did affect both quality and coolness, made losers thirsty

shivers me timber (sic), Thursday, 14 January 2021 05:08 (one week ago) link

2015 is when Quote Tweets were introduced, which some have pointed to as a sign of downfall.

jaymc, Thursday, 14 January 2021 05:15 (one week ago) link

2006 and it has just continually gotten worse.

Still amazing how easy Twitter makes it to block anyone who advertises on the platform, my first instinct is to block any sponsored post and I now get almost entirely ads for Eastern European farm equipment and HIV medicine aimed at doctors.

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Thursday, 14 January 2021 05:21 (one week ago) link

when they fully b0rked 3rd party apps I had to switch to looking at it on laptop instead of phone in queue / bus / bathroom, and thus got fewer ads than ever

shivers me timber (sic), Thursday, 14 January 2021 05:30 (one week ago) link

Whenever that lameass “Why I Quit Spin Magazine” tweetstorm happened.

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 14 January 2021 06:26 (one week ago) link

I disagree with all posters above, increase to 280 was and is bad, the witty tweets are invariably the short ones, the double-sized tweets are for people who would very visibly Rather Be Blogging (see also: 1/ STRAP IN)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 14 January 2021 19:38 (one week ago) link

2015 is when Quote Tweets were introduced

hoo boy, yeah, i voted for the right year

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 January 2021 19:41 (one week ago) link

twitter has never been cool?

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 14 January 2021 19:45 (one week ago) link

I don’t even own a tweet

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 14 January 2021 19:45 (one week ago) link

when did the blue checks start?

Yeah this. I also remember the day they introduced "liking" tweets and within hours it felt like a competition for who screams the loudest.

billstevejim, Thursday, 14 January 2021 19:48 (one week ago) link

I think 2010 or 2011 was when "liking" tweets started. Probably 2010 so that's my vote.

billstevejim, Thursday, 14 January 2021 19:49 (one week ago) link

i guess i keep substituting "good" for "cool" in the thread title. i remember twitter being "cool" in 2009. but also 2012 was like the peak of ppl using twitter as a platform for increasingly surreal "jokes," which felt "cool" to me at the time. the point of no return for the latter was like 2014 i think, and then the feed was consumed by the five-year-long american election

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 January 2021 19:52 (one week ago) link

yeah the election was a huge turning point, I do sort of feel without any real evidence that going public was the biggest blow to coolness and goodness

k3vin k., Thursday, 14 January 2021 19:53 (one week ago) link

quote tweets might be the best answer, because everyone wants to dunk on dumbshits it had the effect of boosting the worst tweets

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 14 January 2021 19:58 (one week ago) link

early 2009 - when a load of celebrities like Jonathan Ross suddenly started joining and going on about it

Alba, Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:01 (one week ago) link

yeah i was also thinking "good" instead of "cool." idk if twitter was every really "cool," tbh

boz conspiracy by toby hus (voodoo chili), Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:01 (one week ago) link

TWITTER: I don't get it

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:01 (one week ago) link

'I use myspace and del.icio.us and shit I'm not a luddite'

pomenitul, Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:03 (one week ago) link

I knew a few people who tweeted their way into careers and big opportunities in 2011/12, so it seemed good/cool to me then. I feel like it was around 2015 that I first started hearing the performatively-bleak "this is a hell site" type rhetoric from the heavy twitter users i know, then a couple years later is when it seemed to shift into being an actually-bleak manifestation of irl depression/device addiction. So I guess I would vote for 2016.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:08 (one week ago) link

"So, micro-bloging, then."

jaymc, Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:09 (one week ago) link

twitter as a whole cant really be cool (except maybe at its infancy. and even the doubtful, many old tweets are bad—a lot of the 2012 era weird twitter humour is cringey so random larfs now—and it’s likely just people who got in early claiming it was cooler before as they get old and confuse the two phenomenons) just due to its size. but it contains within it a lot of what i think of as the coolest part of the internet. the more visual platforms are hotter and more fashionable but nothing’s as funny or smart. a big platform on which to post jokes and pithy observations is an obvious thing and will survive in some form forever as a permanent part of culture imho

flopson, Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:10 (one week ago) link

I knew a few people who tweeted their way into careers and big opportunities in 2011/12, so it seemed good/cool to me then

from what i can gather rubbernecking media twitter this is now the only way to break into the industry. which i could totally see ruining it for everyone in media

flopson, Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:14 (one week ago) link

a lot of the 2012 era weird twitter humour is cringey so random larfs now

was true at the time too, very few of them were good

the few that were good tho were v v good

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:15 (one week ago) link

unfortunately i find your posts itt depressing flops

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:16 (one week ago) link

I basically like it btw

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:18 (one week ago) link

I knew a few people who tweeted their way into careers and big opportunities in 2011/12, so it seemed good/cool to me then

Sounds like a dystopia to me.

pomenitul, Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:20 (one week ago) link

xp may have read that wrong tbh

If its "people dont behave any differently" then ime thats not right

If its "the same behaviour is no different just because of the medium" then it's up for debate

spaghetti connemara (darraghmac), Saturday, 16 January 2021 23:52 (one week ago) link

i love that Wellerman vid

i enjoy Twitter

i like things


agree

brimstead, Sunday, 17 January 2021 00:43 (one week ago) link

like for instance today the Designated Wrong person was someone who said that Disney IPs were for children and people shouldn't like them. every other day the Designated Wrong person is people who watch Disney IPs. the only constant is hatred of people.

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 17 January 2021 01:00 (one week ago) link

"Designated Wrong person" is not a thing that exists

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 17 January 2021 01:27 (one week ago) link

And Disney ips are for children

Fenners' Pen (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 17 January 2021 01:31 (one week ago) link

Even searching Twitter for Disney I have no idea what that refers to

I do see tweets like this and they're correct that the Aristocats are cool

Disney + has these super cute little mini docs. On one, a Pixar script supervisor is talking about how she noticed that their movies were heavily weighted towards more male characters, and male characters having more lines...

— Ashley Nicole Black (@ashleyn1cole) January 16, 2021

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Sunday, 17 January 2021 01:32 (one week ago) link

oops like this

Who needs "That Cats Movie" when The Aristocats exists#Disney #TheAristocats pic.twitter.com/YxcoIQTHhU

— Movie Madness (@CinematicAppeal) January 16, 2021

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Sunday, 17 January 2021 01:32 (one week ago) link

“Designated Wrong person" is not a thing that exists

― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, January 16, 2021

...except on ilx and all other social media

Dan S, Sunday, 17 January 2021 01:51 (one week ago) link

wow wrong again

boz conspiracy by toby hus (voodoo chili), Sunday, 17 January 2021 02:13 (one week ago) link

lol

Dan S, Sunday, 17 January 2021 02:19 (one week ago) link

Denigrated wrong person

spaghetti connemara (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 January 2021 02:19 (one week ago) link

"Designated Wrong person" is not a thing that exists

― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, January 16, 2021 8:27 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

"the main character," whatever, but it is a thing that exists

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 17 January 2021 03:02 (one week ago) link

the tweet I was referring to -- I don't agree with the rest of the thread, but "you are choosing to give a corporate entity your creative energy" is a sentiment expressed over and over during the "if you disliked that martin scorsese movie but like the marvel cinematic universe you are bad and wrong" cycle and accepted as the self-evidently correct take that if you disagreed with you deserve to be mocked forever. but now it's self-evidently incorrect

"Fanfic is collaborative" "it's about community" nah sorry it's all corporate IP. Ultimately, someone else legally owns it, and you are choosing to give a corporate entity your creative energy.

— RS_Benedict (@benedict_rs) January 16, 2021

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 17 January 2021 03:06 (one week ago) link

like if you're going to tell people they're horrible people for doing/thinking something at least just make up your mind on what you need to not do to be horrible

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 17 January 2021 03:07 (one week ago) link

At least it changes every day tho

spaghetti connemara (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 January 2021 03:08 (one week ago) link

Lot to be said for that

spaghetti connemara (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 January 2021 03:08 (one week ago) link

maybe different people think and are saying different things, can we get a spreadsheet

shivers me timber (sic), Sunday, 17 January 2021 03:09 (one week ago) link

Jayslack.cls

spaghetti connemara (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 January 2021 03:11 (one week ago) link

Dmactypos.ffs

spaghetti connemara (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 January 2021 03:11 (one week ago) link

I mean no, there is not a lot to be said for that, because I never know what is and is not the right thing to do and think among morally neutral things, like being a marvel fan

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 17 January 2021 03:13 (one week ago) link

It must be a matter of opinion so. I think the variety is good, it keeps my interest. Its probably down to how one uses it i guess.

spaghetti connemara (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 January 2021 03:28 (one week ago) link

I never know what is and is not the right thing to do and think

This is called existence. You get used to it.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 17 January 2021 03:32 (one week ago) link

That tweet looks more like an issue of fandoms/fan communities than 'the twitter discourse' or whatever. Those fandoms have a habit (from the outside) of blowing up irrelevance into huge moral causes, which is why they're almost universally bad.

How many people think about or care about fanfic at all on a daily basis?

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Sunday, 17 January 2021 03:58 (one week ago) link

writing fanfic about Disney IPs is vastly morally superior to paying money for Disney IPs

shivers me timber (sic), Sunday, 17 January 2021 04:08 (one week ago) link

there would probably be fewer "main characters" if twitter as a platform didn't encourage people to declare their takes in the pithiest, smuggest, least nuanced language possible, thereby inviting equally pithy smug unnuanced responses. there are plenty of twitter users who display intellectual curiosity and thoughtfulness but those things obviously don't drive engagement

i won't go so far to say that people like that don't exist in real life, but it shouldn't be difficult for most adults to foster a social life free of them. ime people like that attract people who can tolerate them and repel everyone else. social behavior that is much more difficult to replicate on twitter and other public-facing social media platforms.

, Sunday, 17 January 2021 04:22 (one week ago) link

in real life i am never going to be encouraged to supply a reaction to a brief statement a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend said

, Sunday, 17 January 2021 04:24 (one week ago) link

“there are plenty of twitter users who display intellectual curiosity and thoughtfulness but those things obviously don't drive engagement“

but it’s fairly easy to curate your own experience to foreground those people

Dan S, Sunday, 17 January 2021 04:40 (one week ago) link

not saying it isn't. you can surely find a pocket for yourself away from the big mean discourse, but then we wouldn't really be talking about what we're talking about

, Sunday, 17 January 2021 04:48 (one week ago) link

Umm ... what is an IP in the context of Disney?

Alba, Monday, 18 January 2021 12:13 (one week ago) link

m/l: a character/concept/setting and the associated registered copyrights and trademarks

shivers me timber (sic), Monday, 18 January 2021 12:51 (one week ago) link

Ah, OK. That’s all I know IP to mean but the context of “Disney ips are for children” threw me

Alba, Monday, 18 January 2021 14:04 (one week ago) link

See the corporate boardroom drama ip man for a full background

spaghetti connemara (darraghmac), Monday, 18 January 2021 15:02 (one week ago) link

^ arf

The thesis is that is is not ideal for grown-ups to have a major emotional investment in, or to build their personality around their regard for, stories about cartoon mice or space elves or superheroes.

(Especially as they do not have discrete authors, and are controlled by a company that actively cares about exploiting the reader for money 100% more than thye are interested in telling a meaningful story (via the means of financially exploited authors): the glimpse I caught of what I'm inferring Katherine's discourse to be was a sneeringly-phrased imprecation against training-wheels authors teaching themselves by making art about those characters, for fun.)

shivers me timber (sic), Monday, 18 January 2021 20:25 (one week ago) link

realistically, in that trite punk rock, well-intentioned way, probably 2007-2008

then it turned into this ugly monster where the good people just chill on its bunions but you can still smell its stinky feet

Punster McPunisher, Monday, 18 January 2021 20:48 (one week ago) link

Twitter fucking sucks, it has always sucked. All social media is garbage.

The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Monday, 18 January 2021 21:35 (one week ago) link

The lifeblood of twitter is all about WHO is saying what and to be SOMEONE on twitter all you have to do is: whatever it takes using an insufficient amount of characters to do it. I don't trust anybody on twitter.

Evan, Monday, 18 January 2021 22:04 (one week ago) link

Twitter is great, just don’t follow shitty people.

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 19 January 2021 12:55 (one week ago) link

Twitter is great when your pal wins a Gwyneth fanjo candle in a quiz, it explodes when lit, she sells the story to a tabloid, and the story goes viral with many, many LOLs.

scampopo (suzy), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 13:41 (one week ago) link

If I had a nickel...

Evan, Tuesday, 19 January 2021 15:42 (one week ago) link

I upset Ripper Owens on Twitter once

Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 15:43 (one week ago) link

I noticed a few years back, in myself and others, that any assertion I made in a public online forum had a subconscious primary motivation. I'd conceive of an assertion, think it was coming from a particular place, but in retrospect, I'd be able to see the subconscious motivation for making that assertion. In certain cases, the primary motivation would be full-tilt psychological projection-- identifying a pattern of behaviour in others, publicly speaking on it, without realizing (at the time) that I was, in fact, describing my own behaviour.

Having noticed this, I became more trepidatious about making online assertions. Twitter is, I think, just the most obvious arena for this tendency to thrive. I see rich people asserting that they're poor, and accusing others of being ostentatious about their wealth. I see the smuggest individuals I've ever met accusing others of smugness.

I mean, even this post itself has to come with a disclaimer... I'm not posting this to claim that I'm "above the tendency toward psychological projection in making online assertions", just that it's kinda prevalent, a constant byproduct of being online, in my own posting and others

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 19 January 2021 16:32 (one week ago) link

Extending generosity that they might not deserve, you could imagine that smug people are extra-sensitive to it in other people because they are trying to fight it in themselves... maybe.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 19 January 2021 16:59 (one week ago) link

im just extra sensitive to it bc im a perfect judge of other people, nothing more to it rly

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 17:37 (one week ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Thursday, 21 January 2021 00:01 (six days ago) link

never was i had myspace!

xzanfar, Thursday, 21 January 2021 00:53 (six days ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Friday, 22 January 2021 00:01 (five days ago) link

write in vote for whenever half of all posts in the world became reaction gifs

Clay, Friday, 22 January 2021 00:09 (five days ago) link

ILX majority otm.

pomenitul, Friday, 22 January 2021 00:15 (five days ago) link

twitter stopped being cool right here

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsS6UfSXYAMMvKX?format=jpg&name=medium

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Friday, 22 January 2021 00:29 (five days ago) link

Trump's getting back in in 2024.

shivers me timber (sic), Friday, 22 January 2021 01:28 (five days ago) link


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