Rolling Race 2021

yeah they're going "oh, i can see why he was so mad! wow, that sucks for him" and it shows

i think it's more like they think it's some random act of violence that they'd rather attribute to causes they understand, so they can feel smart honestly

i have had conversations with white people who thought they were smart who dismissed racism as a reality, primarily, it seemed to me, because it was something they couldn't be smart about. (plenty of white people can be smart about racism, but those ones seem okay with acknowledging it as real.)

NYT may have an institutional interest in downplaying racism; that seems slightly different

the cop for sure sympathized with him and i'm sure did not see Asian sex workers or sex workers writ large as people. there may be journalists who also identify with that, but mostly it sounds like they refused to independently judge the cop's statement.

as is painfully clear in cases of police brutality against black people, the journalistic convention is to report what cops say as fact

which is crazy because they lie constantly

(i know you are only too aware of this, harbl; i am just lecturing the journalists who would never listen to me irl)

small potatoes in the grand scheme of harm, but i truly hate how incidents like this and the predictable fucking up of reporting them turn me into such a boring scold.

lol it's ok you are correct. i am also mad and overstating it for my own satisfaction.

this mother fucker

Chip Roy pivoted from glorifying lynchings to criticizing the Chinese Communist Party during a hearing about violence against Asian Americans pic.twitter.com/uPvBZLtuYj

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) March 18, 2021

what a prince

i need to go break some plates or something

Chip Roy pivoted from glorifying lynchings to criticizing the Chinese Communist Party during a hearing about violence against Asian Americans pic.twitter.com/uPvBZLtuYj

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) March 18, 2021

sorry didnt mean to repost that

.@RepGraceMeng's (D-NY) powerful response to Rep. Chip Roy's (R-TX) comments criticizing the Chinese government during today's anti-Asian violence hearing:

"You don't have to do it by putting a bullseye on the back of Asian Americans …" pic.twitter.com/wcYUuVS8G6

— The Recount (@therecount) March 18, 2021

Valorising good or bad does tend to rely on one's perspective which does tend to be effected by one's prior experience.
So if one is starting from a perspective as warped as still being in the GOP one surely can't be 'kin serious though one probably does perceive one to be.

Shame that the great unlearning can't like come in the tap water or something handy. Would be so good if society could wake up next week revalorised to a point where there was a level playing field and people didn't have hundreds of years of legitimate complaint/injustice. But that isn't going to happen because it is legitimate.
So not sure what going to happen to make things right particularly since a significant part of the population is quite happy to maintain what privilege they have and whatever benefits deriving from that. & everybody has prejudices at least partially resulting from this unevenness. So until everybody gets the wake up pill only a portion of society is awake to the ill. Not going to say woke cos it's also a distorted mirror isn't it. Tends toward the holier than thou which doesn't help and may contain prejudices of its own.
I don't hate you for not being woke yet but surely it must reflect something inherently wrong with you and surely you must absolutely want to be more like me. Yah?
Sanctimeity is not next to godhead, like.

Or am I wrong in thinking that the term woke has fallen into a similar hole to what PC did. In that both set out to correct a perceived wrong but seem to have got caught up in the process. So PC wound up being a kneejerk policing of what one could and couldn't say instead of having the play/wiggleroom and recognition of context. & woke is a step away from what it did and should denote and now comes with added condescension and saviour complex. Or is that a projection.

'perceived' wrong should be 'recognisable' in that last comment

The THC levels of those posts are off the charts

Also Grace Meng's statement was perfect and heartbreaking :(

Neandertahl does love to project.

I am a half kenyan guy who is just becoming aware of the connotations of some things i have been at least semi aware of for most of my life and finding that it makes me really angry. Glad that there are these writers around with their work accessible. & feeling myself angered by people whose behaviour has been semi described in these books. Especially when they are supposed to be extolling similar teaching.
Wondering why everybody else can't be exposed to what I'm reading and picking up similar things from doing so and maybe adjusting their behaviour accordingly. Finding that they don'ty and my reaction to them may not be as progressive as it might be in an ideal world.
BUt also thinking that these were people who supposedly had some idea of authority over me , partially because they're not taking in what they are trying to teach because the recognition of their distortion doesn't seem to be accessible to them. Which is further infuriating.
Also finding other similar things have been true for situations going back years.

Now commenting on the process.
Finding some peanut gallery eejit has decided I must be listening to him when in fact I think he might be part of teh same pervasive problem, certainly not the solution.

I mean, Stevolende, I don't think Neanderthal is trying to be cruel, but sometimes your posts are...really, really difficult to understand. You have a unique posting style, yes, and I appreciate it, but there are certainly moments where I'm totally baffled as to your meaning. Which is fine! Not a judgment. Just an observation.

Yea it was a jest only, no harm meant. Sorry :(

THat was mainly an unwrapping of the comment I made yesterday. Which was probably too personal to convey. Like if I was jesus I'd bear no grudges on those who had impacted me but reading those authors does just remind me of several people who seemed to approach me with a rather projected understanding of how I was supposed to see them, which is unlikely to happen since I have my own experiences and perceptions of people. & I would think that was probably going to be a Universal, a person is unlikely to see a bully/maniplulative person the same way they do. Somebody pulling rank is as likely to be seen as a cheeky a-hole and more than slightly bossy than as the natural leader they view themself to be and so on and so forth.
Always has me thinking about a slaver's idea of the epistemology of the enslaved person they think they own entirely. Like everybody's got a perspective and there can be very different worlds inhabiting the same cospatial objects and physical space.

PLus am I the only person who does think the word woke does seem to contain the word pseudo in an unwritten way or have I got that understanding differently to others here?

"woke" is an essentially meaningless term at this point, but i think that you're right in that it is now used denigratingly by those on the left and the right. though there's some overlap, that denigration exists for mostly different reasons across the spectrum, obv.

it’s used as racial code by white people on the left and the right now, afaict. Stevolende, in its original usage by Black people, it wasn’t sarcastic or a veiled insult.

The phenomenon of white people taking slang/argot coined by Black people and weaponizing into something negative is long and storied and never-ending

(See for example “yaaaaas”)

This is why I only adopt slang that was obviously invented by shitty gamers, like “cuck” and “simp” (actually I don’t do that either)

Using slang isn’t de facto bad but taking slang terms that were meant to convey a positive idea and turning them into shorthand insults gets very old very quickly

history of the phrase "identity politics" is telling & v unflattering to whiter maler parts of The Left

A lot of the pushback against "woke" on the left (that I see in my IG feed, at least) is from Black people, though— it's excoriating the performative "wokeness" of white middle-class progressives as being mere platitudes. But that might just be my feed, I've seen it used in the ways the rest of you are describing, too.

Would you agree that it’s qualitatively and substantively different when people in group A use specific, self-coined language to say “you aren’t helping us” and people in group B use that same specific language to say “you aren’t helping group A”, particularly when accosting members of group A?

Inasmuch as black people are now critiquing its use, they’re critiquing the perversion of it by white people afaict

It’s not like they were mad at Erykah Badu’s use of it on New Amerykah Part One in 2008

When right wing whites use it, it’s a handy substitute for the n word that they can say on the news, which is pretty disgusting perversion of the word given its origin.

DJP, absolutely.

And when left wing whites use it, there’s an implicit contempt for thing racism seriously as bourgeois or neoliberal or whatever, which, again, is a pretty disgusting perversion

I think it’s pretty hard to salvage the original, positive sincere use of it in such an environment, at least in mixed company, which is a shame.

Yeah, I mean, I was just bringing up one of the main ways I see it used. Not defending its use by post-left edgelord fucks.

Sorry, “thing” should be “taking” in my second to last post

thieving motherfuckers take everything

This is why I only adopt slang that was obviously invented by shitty gamers, like “cuck” and “simp” (actually I don’t do that either)

― Canon in Deez (silby), Friday, March 19, 2021 2:54 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol thats not the origin of those words either (maybe thats the joke?)

Used to like thg e word Kuk which I think was car culture slang for squares or something but god Cuck what a sign of toxic masculinity.
Heard it was also a fetish of sorts.

Toxic masculinity especially toxic white masculinity kinda sucks big moose eh.
Oh so topical recently and on this thread.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/mar/20/white-people-black-authors-are-not-your-medicine
interview from this weekend's Guardian review with Yaa Gyasi despairing about the limited progress in race relations even when on surface it is looking hopeful.

I was wondering how one would combat or dismantle racism and thinking that a lot of the idea of white superiority had to be dispensed with i.e.unlearnt and it would be better if it was a more universal thing than being an individual choice so how one would carry out a process like that. If it might be something that could be dispensed through other processes. It would be good if it could be dispensed through the tap water or some other agency but I can see that taht would only ever be a metaphorical thing and how one could find a ground zero without knocking other things down alongside it, though maybe they would need to go too.
But that would still leave a level of great injustice that had been carried out in the name of this so called superiority over the last few centuries which would still need to be addressed. & that too is unlikely while there are still vestiges of thought that think of things like deserving/undeserving poor and subsequent imbalances as somehow justified.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/23/us/white-headmaster-kneeling-long-island/index.html

what the hell re: this entire story

how are you going to punish a kid for doing his homework
how are you going to send a kid to the headmaster's office for doing his homework
how are you going to make a kid kneel in apology for DOING HIS HOMEWORK
why aren't they naming the headmaster, John Holian, in this story

https://www.newsday.com/long-island/education/marianist-school-kneel-headmaster-1.50191293

Another version of the story that names the headmaster and shows his picture

christ what an asshole

jfc

Gotta love that "this is the African way to apologize" is what he came up with to explain his actions after being called out.

Is that from some other media somewhere? H Rider Haggard or the Lion King or something?
or is it simple fruit loopery.