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I am posting this here because it seems that Starville Methodist Church is actually Starville CME Church

https://www.cbs19.tv/article/news/crime/suspect-in-custody-after-shooting-at-starville-methodist-church/501-54e381fc-cefe-4004-b9ca-8b5ab3fffbb4

Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Sunday, 3 January 2021 18:33 (three months ago) link

Here’s a good old ‘AnTi-RaCiStS aRe ThE rEaL rAcIsTs’, courtesy of the Hungarian government:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/05/budapest-black-lives-matter-artwork-rightwing-backlash

pomenitul, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 14:09 (three months ago) link

update on Miya Ponsetto, the nutjob who tackled a kid in nyc: she's been arrested after doing an interview with gayle king
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/nyregion/arlo-hotel-keyon-harrold.html

Over the course of the interview, which was conducted remotely, Ms. Ponsetto grew increasingly agitated and confrontational. At one point, as Ms. King pressed her on taking more responsibility for her actions, Ms. Ponsetto held up a hand to the camera as if to silence her.

“All right, Gayle,” Ms. Ponsetto said. “Enough.”

(Her lawyer) Ms. Ghatan then leaned over to her client, whispering: “No, stop. Stop.” Capt. Eric Buschow of the Ventura County Sheriff’s Office said that Ms. Ponsetto had been arrested in Piru, Calif., a small town about 45 miles northwest of downtown Los Angeles where she has been living.

Ms. Ponsetto was driving to her neighborhood at around 4:30 p.m. local time when deputies and New York police officers pulled her over, Captain Buschow said. Ms. Ponsetto refused to get out of the car at first and slammed a door on a deputy before being pulled from the car and taken into custody, he said.

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Friday, 8 January 2021 16:31 (three months ago) link

actually, apologies for "nutjob" as she's probably dealing with genuine mental issues.

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Friday, 8 January 2021 16:57 (three months ago) link

I watched that interview. That girl is not dealing with any mental issue deeper than being a pampered 22-year-old who's never been told "no" in her life.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 8 January 2021 17:24 (three months ago) link

I'm not going to pretend like I can reliably identify who is mentally ill and who isn't from a distance but I am pretty comfortable in saying actions have consequences and I am glad this woman was arrested.

Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Friday, 8 January 2021 17:59 (three months ago) link

yeah, even her lawyer had to tell her to quit being an ass during the interview. and for some reason she felt she had the authority to actually approach civilians and demand they show her her phones, but only picked the Black customer to actually accost and tackle.

Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Friday, 8 January 2021 18:17 (three months ago) link

i'm comfortable saying that anyone who reacts to being pulled over by the cops by slamming the door on them - or who unprovoked tackles a child! - is probably not doing well mentally. and that's not an excuse or justification for her behavior in any way but i do feel like i should be more careful about calling people "nuts".

i am also pro "actions have consequences," especially right now.

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Friday, 8 January 2021 20:38 (three months ago) link

Lol I don’t need to know anything about her mental health, she’s racist as shit and she seems horrible in every way. That interview, Jesus.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 8 January 2021 21:33 (three months ago) link

In the wake of neo-confederates storming the Capitol I've been thinking a lot about the "this is not who we are" debate/memes and certain differences between right and left. I remember hearing once the observation that the driving emotion of the right is anger, while the driving emotion of the left is guilt. I'm sure it's an oversimplification, but it's interesting how it feels like the counterbalance to the boastful "we are great" attitude of the right is the baleful "we are terrible" attitude of the left. Which, I mean, we are. But humanity is terrible. I sometimes feel like the American left discourse around racism as America's original sin takes on a religious quality (I mean, duh, "original sin") and I'm not always sure whether it winds up helpful. Or maybe it does, overall, but it can take detours where white people on the left undergo all kinds of ritual self-flagellation and introspection that I'm not sure advances things. Guilt can certainly have good outcomes, in fact some guilt is necessary to having a conscience. But something still feels very sackcloth-and-ashes about a lot of today's white discourse around racism. Surely it's better than the opposite. I'm sort of wondering aloud really, I don't have a definite take on this.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:44 (three months ago) link

I don't know the right way to deal with this but it's not great that there is a whole industry now catering to "anti racist allies" which seems to have a primarily therapeutic purposes for the "anti racist" on a personal level- like this is how acknowledging your privilege will make you a better person and relieve you of your burdens etc. despite all the theatrics it's a hell of a lot easier to acknowledge one's privilege than to actually try to dismantle it and there's way too much of the former that doesn't even seem to acknowledge that the latter is also necessary

the religious thing is just the most accessible language we have for something this huge but it's a problem if anti racism becomes about seeking personal absolution instead of changing the world whatever language it's wrapped up in

I think the guilt is baked in and won't go away as long as colonialism and white supremacy still structure the world- the right wing response is actually pretty attuned to this I think, more than the left, their denial and projection is actually functional

as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Thursday, 14 January 2021 23:42 (three months ago) link

Yeah, I think that last point is important. There’s a recognition among conservative “thinkers” that national myths serve a political purpose and also make people more comfortable in their own lives. I guess my question is whether national guilt/sin serves an equally powerful purpose - does it spur people to action or just to therapeutic steps as you put it? I would hope maybe it’s both. Of course there’s an inherent imbalance between a side that tells you to be more selfish and a side that tells you to be more selfless - the former is the path of less resistance.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 15 January 2021 02:13 (three months ago) link

I don't know the right way to deal with this but it's not great that there is a whole industry now catering to "anti racist allies" which seems to have a primarily therapeutic purposes for the "anti racist" on a personal level

heh, this goes back to the Catholic Church selling indulgences.

sarahell, Friday, 15 January 2021 02:38 (three months ago) link

the religious thing is just the most accessible language we have for something this huge but it's a problem if anti racism becomes about seeking personal absolution instead of changing the world whatever language it's wrapped up in

I think the guilt is baked in and won't go away as long as colonialism and white supremacy still structure the world

see there's kinda the crux of it though ... like, is that even possible (for colonialism and white supremacy to not structure the world)? And that goes back to the sinful nature of humanity issue that is tied up with the colonialism and white supremacy ...

sarahell, Friday, 15 January 2021 02:43 (three months ago) link

so from one perspective an answer could be no which is why the world and humanity (if both are taken as colonial constructions) must be abolished

from a perspective that takes the world and humanity as givens there would still have to be reparations but I don't see how there could be any point at which people could say it's sorted and the world is fixed now

wrt national guilt spurring people into action my family is german and that country has gradually become better at rhetorically acknowledging the awfulness of one specific period of its history (don't mention namibia)- to the extent that there is sometimes a twisted form of national pride over how good they are at apologising for their past (which is nevertheless firmly in the past) meanwhile the world has been irrevocably changed and Germany is (relatively) thriving again. then you have fringe weirdos like the Antideutsche as well as more mainstream liberals whose apparent rejection of the legacy of nazi antisemitism just becomes an excuse for islamophobia and uncritical support for US foreign policy. and those for whom all this shame is humiliating, who demand an unapologetic nationalism to make Germany great again. guilt seems to be a factor in all of these responses and if this example is anything to go by it's not encouraging as the only motivator for "reconciliation" (a euphemism). which obviously isn't to say that shamelessness would be better

don't get me started on britain and its weirdly aggressive combo of nostalgia and denial that characterises its attempt to suppress any guilt over how it got rich (because everyone knows, really)

Left, Friday, 15 January 2021 21:55 (three months ago) link

The idea of associating the left = guilt implies the left is mainly white people. A start might be following black ideological leadership imo

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 15 January 2021 22:02 (three months ago) link

yeah we're pretty much talking about white people in the race thread ... Deej otm

sarahell, Saturday, 16 January 2021 06:51 (three months ago) link

Journalists will never fucking change.

Just an observation about the media:

We’ve gotten dozens of request from political reporters asking to be connected with veterans who became right-wing extremists.

But we’ve gotten zero interest in the perspective of POC troops who had to cope with extremists in their units.

— Alexander McCoy (@AlexanderMcCoy4) January 21, 2021

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 22 January 2021 18:29 (two months ago) link

inserts "pretends to be shocked.gif" here

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 22 January 2021 18:44 (two months ago) link

I would like to see a similar rundown for other ethnicities.

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Tuesday, 26 January 2021 15:49 (two months ago) link

So, did he call a student the n-word or was he participating in a discussion where he introduced the n-word as an example of a certain style of rhetoric, because if it was the latter I am much more inclined to think the NYT did the right thing

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 29 January 2021 17:31 (two months ago) link

i think that's likely the question being had in the boardroom right now and i'm assuming it's the latter as well.

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 January 2021 20:07 (two months ago) link

Nothing new here:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xd5bdd/nazis-chic-is-asias-offensive-fashion-craze-456

pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 14:52 (two months ago) link

In 2016 Sony Music had to apologize after Japanese girl band Keyakizaka46 wore black capes and hats similar to the SS uniform during a stage performance.

Two years before that, South Korean pop group Pritz said they never intended to look like Nazis when they dressed in black shirts with red armbands in a music video.

this is fascinating to me

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Monday, 1 February 2021 14:53 (two months ago) link

btw I'm not clicking on a Vice link on the rolling thread about race, that is taking irony several steps too far

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Monday, 1 February 2021 14:53 (two months ago) link

xp
wth is going on with Vice's "more like this" algorithm

rob, Monday, 1 February 2021 14:53 (two months ago) link

Haven't been keeping up with Vice's latest transgressions, sorry.

Try this instead:

https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/27/asia/taiwan-nazi-school-asia/index.html

pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 14:55 (two months ago) link

that 2016 CNN article is quoted in the 2018 CNN article I posted

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Monday, 1 February 2021 14:58 (two months ago) link

lol I guess CNN was like "nailed it the first time"

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Monday, 1 February 2021 14:59 (two months ago) link

That's not Hitler on the cover of the book, it looks like a waxwork... of Bruno Ganz.

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Monday, 1 February 2021 15:06 (two months ago) link

color me unsurprised: https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/08/entertainment/morgan-wallen-record-sales/index.html

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Monday, 8 February 2021 14:22 (two months ago) link

smith college again:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/24/us/smith-college-race.html

sarahell, Friday, 26 February 2021 08:43 (one month ago) link

https://www.espn.com/soccer/ac-milan/story/4324640/zlatan-ibrahimovic-to-lebron-james-do-what-youre-good-at,-stay-out-of-politics

I don't follow soccer but I've seen this guy's name before. If anyone needs to shut the fuck up, it's him.

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 26 February 2021 18:47 (one month ago) link

In a February 2011 interview, Ibrahimović stated that the boxer Muhammad Ali is one of his role models, going on to say: "One of my idols in sport and outside the sport also..he believed in his (principles) and he never gave (them) up."

good thing Muhammad Ali never did any politics

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Friday, 26 February 2021 18:56 (one month ago) link

You can tell Ibrahimović follows his own advice. He proudly doesn't use his brain for anything outside of playing his position.

Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Friday, 26 February 2021 19:04 (one month ago) link

I’m sure Zlatan is 100% cool with this totally apolitical incident:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11863/12227404/zlatan-ibrahimovic-uefa-opens-investigation-after-ac-milan-striker-racially-abused-at-red-star-belgrade

pomenitul, Friday, 26 February 2021 19:05 (one month ago) link

ibrahimovic is an obnoxious idiot

himpathy with the devil (jim in vancouver), Friday, 26 February 2021 19:10 (one month ago) link

Ibrahimovic is a mouthy fuckhole

Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 February 2021 19:34 (one month ago) link

he was in MLS last year, lots of fans grew to hate him statewide

Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 February 2021 19:34 (one month ago) link

😕

I love Black history.
But the 1619 Yoga Project is a little too much for me. pic.twitter.com/V1TffnyCTl

— Michael Harriot (@michaelharriot) February 27, 2021

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Saturday, 27 February 2021 21:06 (one month ago) link

oh no

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Saturday, 27 February 2021 21:12 (one month ago) link

it's hardly the most upsetting element of the video, but that CADENCE

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 27 February 2021 21:17 (one month ago) link

Uhh...

pomenitul, Saturday, 27 February 2021 21:26 (one month ago) link

the cheerful warmth of the tone and cadence makes it sound that getting on boats to become slaves was a nice thing for black people to do .... yeah, ughhhhhh

sarahell, Saturday, 27 February 2021 22:46 (one month ago) link

Meanwhile, over at Oberlin:

https://www.facebook.com/1569723009914148/posts/2922254581327644/?d=n

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Monday, 1 March 2021 16:18 (one month ago) link

"woke" is an essentially meaningless term at this point, but i think that you're right in that it is now used denigratingly by those on the left and the right. though there's some overlap, that denigration exists for mostly different reasons across the spectrum, obv.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Friday, 19 March 2021 19:11 (one month ago) link

it’s used as racial code by white people on the left and the right now, afaict. Stevolende, in its original usage by Black people, it wasn’t sarcastic or a veiled insult.

horseshoe, Friday, 19 March 2021 19:49 (one month ago) link

The phenomenon of white people taking slang/argot coined by Black people and weaponizing into something negative is long and storied and never-ending

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 19 March 2021 19:51 (one month ago) link

(See for example “yaaaaas”)

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 19 March 2021 19:53 (one month ago) link

This is why I only adopt slang that was obviously invented by shitty gamers, like “cuck” and “simp” (actually I don’t do that either)

Canon in Deez (silby), Friday, 19 March 2021 19:54 (one month ago) link

Using slang isn’t de facto bad but taking slang terms that were meant to convey a positive idea and turning them into shorthand insults gets very old very quickly

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 19 March 2021 19:58 (one month ago) link

history of the phrase "identity politics" is telling & v unflattering to whiter maler parts of The Left

nothing (Left), Friday, 19 March 2021 20:14 (one month ago) link

A lot of the pushback against "woke" on the left (that I see in my IG feed, at least) is from Black people, though— it's excoriating the performative "wokeness" of white middle-class progressives as being mere platitudes. But that might just be my feed, I've seen it used in the ways the rest of you are describing, too.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Friday, 19 March 2021 20:19 (one month ago) link

Would you agree that it’s qualitatively and substantively different when people in group A use specific, self-coined language to say “you aren’t helping us” and people in group B use that same specific language to say “you aren’t helping group A”, particularly when accosting members of group A?

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 19 March 2021 20:38 (one month ago) link

Inasmuch as black people are now critiquing its use, they’re critiquing the perversion of it by white people afaict

horseshoe, Friday, 19 March 2021 20:43 (one month ago) link

It’s not like they were mad at Erykah Badu’s use of it on New Amerykah Part One in 2008

horseshoe, Friday, 19 March 2021 20:45 (one month ago) link

When right wing whites use it, it’s a handy substitute for the n word that they can say on the news, which is pretty disgusting perversion of the word given its origin.

horseshoe, Friday, 19 March 2021 20:46 (one month ago) link

DJP, absolutely.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Friday, 19 March 2021 20:47 (one month ago) link

And when left wing whites use it, there’s an implicit contempt for thing racism seriously as bourgeois or neoliberal or whatever, which, again, is a pretty disgusting perversion

horseshoe, Friday, 19 March 2021 20:47 (one month ago) link

I think it’s pretty hard to salvage the original, positive sincere use of it in such an environment, at least in mixed company, which is a shame.

horseshoe, Friday, 19 March 2021 20:48 (one month ago) link

Yeah, I mean, I was just bringing up one of the main ways I see it used. Not defending its use by post-left edgelord fucks.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Friday, 19 March 2021 20:48 (one month ago) link

Sorry, “thing” should be “taking” in my second to last post

horseshoe, Friday, 19 March 2021 20:48 (one month ago) link

thieving motherfuckers take everything

horseshoe, Friday, 19 March 2021 20:50 (one month ago) link

This is why I only adopt slang that was obviously invented by shitty gamers, like “cuck” and “simp” (actually I don’t do that either)

― Canon in Deez (silby), Friday, March 19, 2021 2:54 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol thats not the origin of those words either (maybe thats the joke?)

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Saturday, 20 March 2021 01:57 (one month ago) link

Used to like thg e word Kuk which I think was car culture slang for squares or something but god Cuck what a sign of toxic masculinity.
Heard it was also a fetish of sorts.

Toxic masculinity especially toxic white masculinity kinda sucks big moose eh.
Oh so topical recently and on this thread.

Stevolende, Saturday, 20 March 2021 10:20 (one month ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/mar/20/white-people-black-authors-are-not-your-medicine
interview from this weekend's Guardian review with Yaa Gyasi despairing about the limited progress in race relations even when on surface it is looking hopeful.

I was wondering how one would combat or dismantle racism and thinking that a lot of the idea of white superiority had to be dispensed with i.e.unlearnt and it would be better if it was a more universal thing than being an individual choice so how one would carry out a process like that. If it might be something that could be dispensed through other processes. It would be good if it could be dispensed through the tap water or some other agency but I can see that taht would only ever be a metaphorical thing and how one could find a ground zero without knocking other things down alongside it, though maybe they would need to go too.
But that would still leave a level of great injustice that had been carried out in the name of this so called superiority over the last few centuries which would still need to be addressed. & that too is unlikely while there are still vestiges of thought that think of things like deserving/undeserving poor and subsequent imbalances as somehow justified.

Stevolende, Sunday, 21 March 2021 09:48 (four weeks ago) link

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/23/us/white-headmaster-kneeling-long-island/index.html

what the hell re: this entire story

how are you going to punish a kid for doing his homework
how are you going to send a kid to the headmaster's office for doing his homework
how are you going to make a kid kneel in apology for DOING HIS HOMEWORK
why aren't they naming the headmaster, John Holian, in this story

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 15:09 (three weeks ago) link

https://www.newsday.com/long-island/education/marianist-school-kneel-headmaster-1.50191293

Another version of the story that names the headmaster and shows his picture

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 15:10 (three weeks ago) link

christ what an asshole

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 15:18 (three weeks ago) link

jfc

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 15:21 (three weeks ago) link

Gotta love that "this is the African way to apologize" is what he came up with to explain his actions after being called out.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 25 March 2021 13:39 (three weeks ago) link

Is that from some other media somewhere? H Rider Haggard or the Lion King or something?
or is it simple fruit loopery.

Stevolende, Thursday, 25 March 2021 13:44 (three weeks ago) link

it's in the news story; he claims a Nigerian father made his son kneel when apologizing, ergo now all Black people must kneel when apologizing otherwise it isn't sincere to him

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Thursday, 25 March 2021 13:47 (three weeks ago) link

particularly valid when the offense is *checks notes* being ahead on your schoolwork

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Thursday, 25 March 2021 13:48 (three weeks ago) link

The headmaster, who is not being named by CNN

Yeah, that is very weird. It almost sounds like the "don't name mass shooters" thing, except that that obviously doesn't apply.

jmm, Thursday, 25 March 2021 14:22 (three weeks ago) link

this seems like a good way to frame this going forward
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/ncna1263216

It’s been three months exactly since we watched — on live television — as supporters of former President Donald Trump climbed past barricades, shattered windows and besieged the U.S. Capitol. The president’s name echoed through the corridors of Congress as the insurrectionists unleashed their frustration at a nation they feared would soon no longer be recognizable to them, a rallying cry to defend the man who had positioned himself as their savior.

Since then, we’ve come to learn a lot about the mob that ripped through the building that day. And, vitally, a new study shows that this wasn’t just a group of people primed to believe the election had been stolen. These weren’t just people wracked with economic anxiety, as previously assumed. It wasn’t even mostly made up of members of the far-right’s front-line groups. What we witnessed was a race riot.

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:57 (one week ago) link

I mean, duh

I feel like Black people have been screaming this into the void for the past 5-6 years

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:29 (one week ago) link

TS: MSNBC vs The Void

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:35 (one week ago) link

Yeah, real statement of the obvious there.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 19:26 (one week ago) link

But, amazingly, there are millions of Americans for whom the obvious is not obvious. For those people, it wold help to have some semi-authoritative voice repeating it endlessly, until they absorb it enough that it becomes obvious to them, too.

Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 19:34 (one week ago) link

The people who need to hear this will not accept the author of this piece as a semi-authoritative voice.

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 19:41 (one week ago) link

I slightly disagree. Those who need to hear it are not the racists who rioted. They are unreachable. The mushy white middle who are unaccustomed to thinking in these terms and whose thinking about race is grounded on comfortable ignorance might include some who would accept the author as semi-authoritative, if only because the author was 'sponsored' by a huge corporate white-owned media entity.

Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 20:18 (one week ago) link

The people who need to hear this are not consuming information from MSNBC

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 20:20 (one week ago) link

Take who you can get.

Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 20:21 (one week ago) link

The people who need to hear this are not consuming information from anywhere.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 20:46 (one week ago) link

Depending on your definition of 'information', sure.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 20:49 (one week ago) link

ugh idk why this of all things sets me off. maybe it’s the chinstroky nature of the framing, as if this is a purely academic inquiry that like “merits further study” or possibly the self-important “now I, a person whose opinions are important, see things differently...”

gonna log off for a bit I think - this has pushed me over some stupid edge

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 20:50 (one week ago) link

pomemitul (and everyone) *of course*

I’m just seeing too much red to respond to this thoughtfully. as noted, gonna step away.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 20:51 (one week ago) link

best way to approach this from a personal perspective imo would be to present the capital riots in shorthand as "seditionist race riots" whenever discussing them and see who pushes back

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 23:11 (one week ago) link

a good inevitable latter half "how it started/how it's going" photo
http://hyperallergic.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Image2-resized.jpg

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 9 April 2021 15:50 (one week ago) link

this should require a link to the "how do you wipe your ass" thread

Heez, Friday, 9 April 2021 16:21 (one week ago) link

you don't see the leaves?

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 9 April 2021 16:48 (one week ago) link

actually the confederate flag gets usage in the follow-up picture

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 9 April 2021 18:47 (one week ago) link

I would never desecrate my ass by rubbing it on a filthy Confederate flag

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Friday, 9 April 2021 18:54 (one week ago) link

I hear you, but there are ways of making sure it only comes into contact with the expellable contents of one's ass.

pomenitul, Friday, 9 April 2021 19:05 (one week ago) link


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