Enter... THE DISCOURSE

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Obviously this is a hot topic on the COVID threads at the moment but it's also something that permeates almost all of our lives, in both digital and non-digital spaces. I'd originally typed "has begun to permeate" but, when I reflected upon what "the discourse" represents, I realized it's mostly manifested itself in my life as a rebranding of "the culture war", which in turn has just been an amplification/refraction of "conventional wisdom" that has cropped up regularly in conversations and arguments I have had with practically every person I've met throughout my entire life.

I came out the other end feeling like "the discourse" is an encapsulation of the frustration we as individuals feel with the prevailing gestalt conventional wisdom, which presents as a quasi-monolithic list of rules of engagement but breaks down and eats itself in a rhetorical ouroboros at the slightest provocation, particularly in environments more prone to crowdsourcing rather than top-down guidance. This, in turn, made me wonder if I was full of shit and whether anyone else viewed "the discourse" this way or if I was just way up my own ass.

It also seemed from the COVID threads that people are somewhat interested in talking about "the discourse" but it didn't seem like everyone was operating under the same definition of what "the discourse" was. It certainly felt like some, if not most, people were approaching it as a new thing reinforced and magnified by social media, whereas to me engaging with it feels like talking to people regardless of context.

So, that is what "the discourse" is to me; what do YOU think "the discourse" is? How would you define it and what is your engagement with it?

DJP, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 15:48 (one month ago) link

feel like THE DISCOURSE is an offshoot of BOFA

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 15:53 (one month ago) link

everyone shd just watch Contrapoints tbh

imago, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 15:55 (one month ago) link

I wish you a merry discourse.

peace, man, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 15:57 (one month ago) link

dis course
dat course
everywhere it's so coarse
it's still rock 'n roll to me

Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:02 (one month ago) link

discourse about what the discourse surrounding the discourse about what the discourse is

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:10 (one month ago) link

*unconvincingly rummaging through satchel* sorry sir.. I appear to have left my discourse at home

calzino, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:12 (one month ago) link

i've always found "discourse" to be so vague to be useless. what is 'the discourse'? it's a term that's everywhere, yet no one really knows what it is.

is it whatever is going on in a twitter thread, even one that involves a blue checkmark and hundreds of boring followers that just respond with 3 words+ an image meme to anything that is said? god i hope not.

does it have to do with whatever a "national conversation" is (or was)?

is a good ILX thread discourse?

does an important/famous person have to be involved to make something "discourse"? if i have consensual discourse in the woods with someone, alone, and then neither one of us has influential friends to spread the ideas to afterward, was that part of the discourse?

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:12 (one month ago) link

is a kardashian, for example, automatically part of the discourse because whatever they say will be heard and influence the rest of the discourse?

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:14 (one month ago) link

i guess that's what i mean. i have trouble thinking about the term because i don't even know what the bounds of it are

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:14 (one month ago) link

I think there are many discourses, each with their own context (participants, class/hierarchy, culture, politics, gender, and platform of choice all attribute to the specific context). Engaging without context, to me, seems impossible. "What do we talk about when we talk about love?" ie. everyone comes at it from a different place.

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:15 (one month ago) link

I have literally never thought about 'the discourse' qua 'the discourse' outside of ILX threads where people specifically evoke 'the discourse'. To the extent that I understand what's under discussion, it seems to be this:

We're living in an era where numerous institutions, once generally thought to be inviolable, have proven to be flawed if not held together solely via the power of hopes and prayers. There doesn't seem to be any trustworthy authorities who are willing and able to provide sound guidance on how to navigate a world where systems keep failing. Where once we might have encountered mass-produced broadsides by a gaggle of self-styled thinkers with access to printing presses telling us how we might collectively right the ship, we now have literally every human with access to the internet providing, in real time, a kaleidoscopic array of opinions and arguments on every subject whose nature is now up for debate (read: every subject period). In terms of lowercase-d discourse, it's kind of the 'gray goo' scenario but with ideas instead of physical matter. Decent and righteous notions do occasionally float to the surface (ripping back the rug under which centuries of systemic injustice has been swept is one that immediately springs to mind) but this approach more generally seems to be a hellish way to achieve any kind of baseline consensus about anything, and it seems that consensus reality itself is taking a savage beating as a result. So to the extent that 'the discourse' is just an unfiltered quagmire of voices shouting over one another via social media, I'm m/l agin' it.

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:15 (one month ago) link

xp The Discourse is what you want The Discourse to be, mailman!

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:15 (one month ago) link

From discursus: 'to run about, to and fro'.

My folk etymology: the course wherein you dis.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:16 (one month ago) link

pomenitul's mama is SO FAT

Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:21 (one month ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/NQ4TtvV.png

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:21 (one month ago) link

Neanderthal, that is the thiccourse

DJP, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:22 (one month ago) link

ofcourse

Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:23 (one month ago) link

Is The Discourse accepting submissions? I have a couple pitches

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:23 (one month ago) link

Discourse is that which disrupts the course of discourse.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:24 (one month ago) link

The Discourse is what Arnold is lowered into at the end of T2 Judgement Day and if you want to behave as if it's something you must absolutely have to treat with I genuinely have great pity for you but probably think you are incorrect about that

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:26 (one month ago) link

*forms thumb-up with final vestiges of consciousness*

imago, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:27 (one month ago) link

My inclination, as the world has become increasingly online, has been to become increasingly offline. Like I feel that I've been able to unravel and resolve a lot more (in my own head if nowhere else) by attempting to fill the copious gaps in my historical knowledge than I have by engaging with circular online discussions where people barely wait for their turn to talk and certainly aren't inclined to sit with an idea for a while before chiming in.

And yes that certainly happens on ILX but I make an exception because ILXors are some smart + thoughtful motherfuckers by and large.

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:30 (one month ago) link

The Discourse is Skynet (aka Twitter) therefore Arnie's selfless act (deleting his Twitter account) is essentially anti-discursive (dis-cursive).

pomenitul, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:31 (one month ago) link

My online life up through the end of the Rock Hardy era was a case of me self-importantly adding to The Discourse and finally getting smacked way down and realizing a) The Discourse has an almost infinitesimally low signal:noise ratio and b) I have nothing to add to it but more noise. So now I just watch and listen and read and grimace, and occasionally post about cocktails and my cat Jonesy.

Part of me thinks I've made great strides in realizing the smelter of The Discourse is not worth lowering myself into, and the rest of me knows I couldn't improve the alloy if I did.

Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:46 (one month ago) link

Where once we might have encountered mass-produced broadsides by a gaggle of self-styled thinkers with access to printing presses telling us how we might collectively right the ship, we now have literally every human with access to the internet providing, in real time, a kaleidoscopic array of opinions and arguments on every subject whose nature is now up for debate (read: every subject period).

My objection to this is: "conventional wisdom" has always been received from some unattributable, amorphous source and the magnification effect of social media is overstated. Everyone always thought everyone thought "this way" regardless of what "this way" actually was and whether the strains of thought were directly incompatible; the difference is that there are now more platforms where people can put forward their opinions to a wider audience but the types of opinions and the types of conversations are, in my experience, exactly the same.

DJP, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:47 (one month ago) link

(and, as I said in my original post, I think "the discourse" is "conventional wisdom on 5G")

DJP, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:48 (one month ago) link

Admittedly a large portion of my opinion on this is driven by seeing White people talk about how bad and disorienting social media and Internet communication is because it's so difficult to feel that you belong to what the prevailing winds seem to be and me going "WELCOME TO GROWING UP BLACK IN A WHITE NEIGHBORHOOD"

DJP, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:52 (one month ago) link

My online life up through the end of the Rock Hardy era

i didn't realize you were Rock Hardy! during one of my introductions to ilx discourse a dozen years ago or so, i was asked to make a parody gif making fun of the "internet hard man". i had not idea what that was a reference to, so i made something that said "the internet is hard man...but it's worth it" or something similar. sorry if that appeared to be a burn on you, i had no idea what the heck was going on!

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:52 (one month ago) link

me neither lol

Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 16:55 (one month ago) link

My objection to this is: "conventional wisdom" has always been received from some unattributable, amorphous source and the magnification effect of social media is overstated. Everyone always thought everyone thought "this way" regardless of what "this way" actually was and whether the strains of thought were directly incompatible; the difference is that there are now more platforms where people can put forward their opinions to a wider audience but the types of opinions and the types of conversations are, in my experience, exactly the same.

― DJP, Tuesday, December 22, 2020 10:47 AM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I think we're basically saying the same thing. It's not that the broadsiders were so much more enlightened, just that there were fewer voices vying for attention and fewer perspectives dizzying up the conventional wisdom. The increased panoply of voices has the upside of adding to the breadth and diversity of perspective but also the major downside of depleting the depth and nuance of perspective.

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 17:04 (one month ago) link

I've always understood "discourse" to mean the range of discussion around a certain topic, rather than a set of collective beliefs or positions. More "national conversation" than "conventional wisdom."

From this perspective, I found it a bit jarring when katherine posted on the COVID thread that "the discourse flipped" in reference to the shifting attitudes expressed in replies to a tweet. I would say that the discourse on that topic continued and evolved to incorporate new ideas and opinions (some of which are more interesting and valuable than others).

jaymc, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 17:32 (one month ago) link

(But maybe the discourse on the word "discourse" has shifted.)

jaymc, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 17:34 (one month ago) link

DISCO(urse) SUCKS

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 17:42 (one month ago) link

More like discurse amirite?

pomenitul, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 17:44 (one month ago) link

The example I keep thinking of is that since the beginning of COVID, my wife has been pretty skeptical of the pro-lockdown approach for a variety of reasons, but has felt unable to even voice her thoughts about it around our (extremely online) friends due to 'the discourse'. It seems like 'the discourse' is slowly shifting, but for awhile expressing any concern about the long-term economic & social affects put you on the side of right-wing talking points.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 17:45 (one month ago) link

oh yeah, try explaining to non-online people why liking free speech makes you a bad person

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 17:50 (one month ago) link

xp I guess what's interesting to me about that is that what she experiences as "the discourse" is driven by the specific people she follows online. The reference to "right-wing talking points" acknowledges that there is a separate discourse to which she doesn't give any weight. Theoretically, there is yet another discourse out there that might be closer to what she actually believes, but she hasn't encountered it because it's not part of her pre-existing online ecosystem.

jaymc, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 17:54 (one month ago) link

She doesn't really follow anyone online, and only knows about 'the discourse' at a remove through me and our friends. So it's mostly a matter of hearing extremely online friends being judgemental about people/ideas, and observing where the lines are drawn.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 17:59 (one month ago) link

^^^ This is why I ended up on my "THE DISCOURSE is just talking to other people" conclusion

DJP, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:00 (one month ago) link

Hell is other people('s tweets)

Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:01 (one month ago) link

Office gif

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:02 (one month ago) link

One area where the utility of 'the discourse' breaks down is in the acceptance of nuanced opinion and respectful disagreement. There's too often very little wiggle room between 'you hold the correct opinion, good job' and 'YOU ARE A WALKING DUMPSTER FIRE, YOU WRONG OPINION-HOLDING POS', and while the vehemence of the latter take can be useful in reining in (some) shittier takes and cringey opinions, it also kinda eradicates the capacity for people to discuss knotty, messy subjects in a way that allows them to try to truly understand other viewpoints. Because the emphasis is more on getting on the right side of the line as quickly as you can before you get roasted.

Wet Pretzels and Other Soggy Snacks (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:07 (one month ago) link

I mean this just contributes to the increasing divisiveness in the world today, where you're either right or you're wrong and your rightness or wrongness is determined entirely by who you align yourself with.

Wet Pretzels and Other Soggy Snacks (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:09 (one month ago) link

There's too often very little wiggle room between 'you hold the correct opinion, good job' and 'YOU ARE A WALKING DUMPSTER FIRE, YOU WRONG OPINION-HOLDING POS', and while the vehemence of the latter take can be useful

Gonna stop you right there. It never is, never will be.

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:12 (one month ago) link

ru calling him a dumpster fire

imago, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:16 (one month ago) link

It's not a rhetorical tack I ascribe to (as should be obvious) and it turns me right the fuck off but I'm not inclined to do a wholesale write-off on the efficacy of shame wrt reigning in shittiness.

Wet Pretzels and Other Soggy Snacks (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:17 (one month ago) link

The Discourse is Twitter's trending bar but with whatever people you follow are talking about instead of whatever brands are promoting or teens have hashtagged to amuse themselves.

I don't think anyone could disagree that there are 'Topics of the Day,' my objection to its use in the other thread is the idea that there a homogeneity to the discourse and getting caught out on the wrong side of the discourse exposes you to being put in the Twitter stocks and pelted with fruit. There are different sides, different conversations that spin off, different mores about appropriate language, different in-jokes.

ie yeah, it's just people talking to other people but loudly and in public

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:19 (one month ago) link

'YOU ARE A WALKING DUMPSTER FIRE, YOU WRONG OPINION-HOLDING POS'

You should at least attribute this to whichever ilxor you're quoting. It's the polite thing to do.

Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:20 (one month ago) link

Yeah, this year I disengaged somewhat from social media and just use it mostly to order beer from my favorite local breweries.

Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 00:13 (one month ago) link

The Discourse is a great podcast from leftist weightlifter academic Brandon Sutton/Prettybadlefty and friends

https://m.soundcloud.com/expandthediscourse

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 00:14 (one month ago) link

This is the proper response to The Discourse IMO

feel free to ignore any hilaria baldwin take that does not boil down to “this is extremely funny”

— Brandy Jensen (@BrandyLJensen) December 28, 2020

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Monday, 28 December 2020 02:19 (four weeks ago) link

I'm done with discourse... Bring me da entree

— dr. dad, PhD (@whale_defense) September 1, 2020

"Bi" Dong A Ban He Try (the table is the table), Tuesday, 29 December 2020 02:24 (three weeks ago) link

Charles Schulz predicted The Discourse pic.twitter.com/ruzGE4NXVG

— Adam Koford (@apelad) December 30, 2020

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Wednesday, 30 December 2020 07:47 (three weeks ago) link

Was just coming here to post that.

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Wednesday, 30 December 2020 07:54 (three weeks ago) link

how do you find the time to keep up with Twitter on top of work/friends & family/cultural consumption? I feel like I'm always playing catch-up to topics and perspectives in the ~discourse~ and by the time I'm caught up everything worth saying has been said and the world has moved on. Is it simply a case of being Very Online and streamlining the subjects you're interested in?

boxedjoy, Saturday, 2 January 2021 09:06 (three weeks ago) link

With great difficulty these days, but that’s not a bad thing. I have some nice mutuals who will usually dm me anything I’ve missed.

scampish inquisition (gyac), Saturday, 2 January 2021 09:31 (three weeks ago) link

aw hun that isn't nice, that's *abusive*. ditch their ass. yeet them into the sun. nope nope nope

imago, Saturday, 2 January 2021 09:37 (three weeks ago) link

I don’t try to keep up. I look at Twitter or Instagram when I’m killing dead time, every day there’s some reference to a hot topic that’s completely inscrutable to me and it rarely seems interesting enough to suss out.

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Saturday, 2 January 2021 09:40 (three weeks ago) link

I've been advised a few different times now that if I want to pursue freelance writing gigs etc then I need to be active on Twitter and build a personal brand (ugh) but it just feels like I would be shouting into the void, and that void is also a hellscape of negative energy?

boxedjoy, Saturday, 2 January 2021 10:46 (three weeks ago) link

The chief hallmark of Discourse™️ is feeling compelled to weigh in, even though you know you don’t have to and kind of don’t even want to. That said, goddammit bean dad

— sarah jeong (@sarahjeong) January 3, 2021

Karl Malone, Monday, 4 January 2021 16:56 (three weeks ago) link

What does it matter if everyone has an opinion on everything if they aren't constantly expressing those opinions to everyone else, is what I'm asking

Telly Salivas (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 January 2021 17:02 (three weeks ago) link

how do you find the time to keep up with Twitter on top of work/friends & family/cultural consumption? I feel like I'm always playing catch-up to topics and perspectives in the ~discourse~ and by the time I'm caught up everything worth saying has been said and the world has moved on. Is it simply a case of being Very Online and streamlining the subjects you're interested in?

― boxedjoy, Saturday, January 2, 2021 9:06 AM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://cdn.jwz.org/images/scaled/768/2020/enz8zt4w4aeaded.jpg

ffolkes (map), Monday, 4 January 2021 17:06 (three weeks ago) link

Adjacent thing I’ve been thinking abt is how twitter provides this plugged in proximity to a hit of raw uncut Discourse that, grass being greener, I’d like to leave behind and everyone says I don’t need to pay attention to. Yet it reminds me of the bit from devil wears Prada, where the people disconnected from it don’t seem to realize how much of their opinion (on something of a delay) has been shaped by this conversation. I’ll make a point to some friends that they’re all skeptical of, based on something I read online, only for them to make the same point or one that incorporates it a few days later, but unconsciously, as if they don’t even realize the bounds of possibility have been re-determined for them over this small window of a conversation’s evolution

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 4 January 2021 17:19 (three weeks ago) link

I think we're basically saying the same thing. It's not that the broadsiders were so much more enlightened, just that there were fewer voices vying for attention and fewer perspectives dizzying up the conventional wisdom. The increased panoply of voices has the upside of adding to the breadth and diversity of perspective but also the major downside of depleting the depth and nuance of perspective.

― You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, December 22, 2020 12:04 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

there might be a diversity of perspectives out there in reality, but in effect people have become less tolerant of voices different from their own and have buckled down in their own echo chambers.

treeship., Monday, 4 January 2021 17:47 (three weeks ago) link

people are way more likely to engage with an opinion by trying to like "sort" it into some category. "this sounds like what xyz is saying, you are on their side now." we don't have a discourse as much as a great process of sorting, filing, amplifying and cancelling.

treeship., Monday, 4 January 2021 17:48 (three weeks ago) link

i don't know if there is an alternative, though. like, it's fair to want to weed out crackpots from your twitter feed; no person can hold *every* idea in their head at once. the curation function we have though seems a little idk too blunt sometimes and easily gamed by bad actors.

treeship., Monday, 4 January 2021 17:52 (three weeks ago) link

there might be a diversity of perspectives out there in reality, but in effect people have become less tolerant of voices different from their own and have buckled down in their own echo chambers.

― treeship., Monday, January 4, 2021 11:47 AM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is one of those received wisdom things I see ppl say all the time but I’m not actually sure it’s true

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 4 January 2021 18:03 (three weeks ago) link

My personal challenge for today is to avoid learning what Bean Dad is about.

jmm, Monday, 4 January 2021 18:07 (three weeks ago) link

I don't think it's true because it assumes that people behaved differently before the advent of social media

Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Monday, 4 January 2021 18:19 (three weeks ago) link

jmm you know what they say: if you look around the table and cant spot the bean dad....

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 4 January 2021 18:21 (three weeks ago) link

This is one of those received wisdom things I see ppl say all the time but I’m not actually sure it’s true

There's some truth to it, but not in the way the people saying it think. For example, the idea of people becoming "less tolerant of voices different from their own" - what does that actually mean? In literal, real-life terms, the people saying it often mean, "I want you to listen to my racist, right-wing beliefs and not call me a stupid racist asshole. You should approach with an open mind." But why should I do that? I'm 49 years old. I've been listening to racist, right-wing bullshit from stupid assholes for at least 35 years now. How much more am I expected to listen to in the name of "intellectual freedom" and "discourse"?

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 4 January 2021 18:49 (three weeks ago) link

I think this is a legit both-sides phenomenon but a) one side is right, and b) people have been doing this since forever but it's forgotten because history smooths out the details and rough edges, making current interactions seem novel and new rather than a continuing extension of the way people behave

Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Monday, 4 January 2021 18:55 (three weeks ago) link

just a hunch lately that perceived constriction / entrenchment of viewpoints is related to increased material inequality

ffolkes (map), Monday, 4 January 2021 18:59 (three weeks ago) link

Yet it reminds me of the bit from devil wears Prada, where the people disconnected from it don’t seem to realize how much of their opinion (on something of a delay) has been shaped by this conversation.

The hill I will die on: the whole progression of the movie is Anne Hathaway slowly coming to understand that Meryl Streep is full of shit in this speech, that Streep is in fact so locked in to her tiny enclosed world and the constraints it imposes on her that she has no choice but to absurdly exaggerate its broader importance, or go mad. (Relevance to "The Discourse" left as an exercise for the reader.)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 4 January 2021 19:01 (three weeks ago) link

otm

nob lacks, noirish (darraghmac), Monday, 4 January 2021 19:01 (three weeks ago) link

does the movie show that the devil does indeed wear prada though

ffolkes (map), Monday, 4 January 2021 19:02 (three weeks ago) link

the devil shares praxis

nob lacks, noirish (darraghmac), Monday, 4 January 2021 19:04 (three weeks ago) link

Hmm I think that’s true of the general narrative of that character but isn’t really true of how the fashion industry operates

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 4 January 2021 19:12 (three weeks ago) link

the Devil wears Givenchy, actually

Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Monday, 4 January 2021 19:14 (three weeks ago) link

The Discourse Wears Prada

cilantro vs. wade (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 January 2021 19:18 (three weeks ago) link

i think you mean the discourse wears exploitation

ffolkes (map), Monday, 4 January 2021 19:20 (three weeks ago) link

And for jewelry? Blood Diamonds (starring Leonardo DiCaprio)

Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Monday, 4 January 2021 19:22 (three weeks ago) link

lol

ffolkes (map), Monday, 4 January 2021 19:23 (three weeks ago) link

just a hunch lately that perceived constriction / entrenchment of viewpoints is related to increased material inequality

I think there's definitely something here; I was talking about this over the weekend with my partner where I put forward the theory that conservative fiscal policy has done a very good job of concentrating more money in the hands of fewer rich people at the top while liberal social policy has brought more people to the table in terms of who gets to participate in/benefit from federal programs, leaving the "traditional" (read: White) participants who aren't megawealthy feeling that they have to share fewer resources with more people and having them come to the conclusion that the correct solution is to prevent these uppity newcomers from participating rather than expanding the pool of available funds by taxing the megawealthy, who will be able to support their families through at least their great-grandchildren's generations based on what they already have.

Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Monday, 4 January 2021 19:28 (three weeks ago) link

Also I don’t think I was implying Twitter “creates” or “originates” this discourse, I’m not inflating it’s sense of importance, merely observing anecdotally that stuff takes longer to filter out from its origins to people who don’t read it

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 4 January 2021 19:28 (three weeks ago) link

at least their great-grandchildren's generations

great-great-great-great-great-great-great to the moon and back tbf

ffolkes (map), Monday, 4 January 2021 19:36 (three weeks ago) link

the devil shares praxis

― nob lacks, noirish (darraghmac), Monday, January 4, 2021 11:04 AM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this made me lol, thanks

"Bi" Dong A Ban He Try (the table is the table), Monday, 4 January 2021 19:49 (three weeks ago) link

just a hunch lately that perceived constriction / entrenchment of viewpoints is related to increased material inequality

I think there's definitely something here; I was talking about this over the weekend with my partner where I put forward the theory that conservative fiscal policy has done a very good job of concentrating more money in the hands of fewer rich people at the top while liberal social policy has brought more people to the table in terms of who gets to participate in/benefit from federal programs, leaving the "traditional" (read: White) participants who aren't megawealthy feeling that they have to share fewer resources with more people and having them come to the conclusion that the correct solution is to prevent these uppity newcomers from participating rather than expanding the pool of available funds by taxing the megawealthy, who will be able to support their families through at least their great-grandchildren's generations based on what they already have.

― Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Monday, January 4, 2021 2:28 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I've been thinking along these lines recently and would add that climate change is a factor as well.

There are lots of people who "don't believe in man-made climate change" but will concede that "weather" is cyclical and has gotten worse (cf. "Tornados weren't as bad when I was younger, but it's not man made). I view this and the simultaneous/related economic inequality issues as creating a sort of "background radiation" of anxiety we are all living in that feels inescapable, even for those who would deny it's existence.

Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Monday, 4 January 2021 21:14 (three weeks ago) link

I commented ironically on the discourse, but I couldn't help but wonder: by commenting ironically on the discourse, was I part of the discourse? pic.twitter.com/UjZDw8lfkJ

— joe (@mutablejoe) January 12, 2021

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 15:53 (one week ago) link

Irony died forever in 2015 iirc so the answer here is 'no', obv.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 15:56 (one week ago) link

Stare too long into the discourse and the discourse stares back

alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 22:18 (one week ago) link

Also RIP irony

500 BCE - 2015 CE

You had a good run

...

NOT

alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 22:20 (one week ago) link

You were like a black fly in our Chardonnay

alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 22:21 (one week ago) link

And I really do think

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 22:30 (one week ago) link

Worst Bruce Lee movie

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 01:34 (one week ago) link

feel like DJP doing sea shanties should be part of The Discourse

mookieproof, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 02:14 (one week ago) link

I can probably pull together a decent version of "Drunken Sailor" over a weekend

Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 14:25 (one week ago) link


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