GET OUT: US politics November 2020

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Forgive me.

Alba, Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:24 (three months ago) link

I approve of this thread title

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:25 (three months ago) link

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jaymc, Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:29 (three months ago) link

good luck usa

imago, Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:29 (three months ago) link

No luck involved, do your duty USA.

Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:32 (three months ago) link

itt we pre-cover the election results.

I claim Florida

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:32 (three months ago) link

I'm still on this, because fuck this ridiculous statement.

it’s simply that most people are able to sustain conflicting ideas and understand the degrees of nuance inherent in people, and how it’s amplified when are you the commander in chief of most the powerful defense in the world.

Talk about nuance to the thousands of people killed by drones, including 324+ civilians and an American citizen.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:35 (three months ago) link

Obama reportedly told senior aides in 2011: “Turns out I’m really good at killing people. Didn’t know that was gonna be a strong suit of mine.”

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:35 (three months ago) link

Just another day shooting hoops, killing people.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:36 (three months ago) link

yes good work Alba

error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:36 (three months ago) link

Obama is a good politician.

On average, this critic grades 8.3 points lower than other critics (Eric H.), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:46 (three months ago) link

In terms of mass murders and war crimes, where does Obama rank among US presidents?

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:50 (three months ago) link

Oh good, this again. Maybe we can relitigate the 2016 election once more while we're at it. And what about that rascal Kennedy?!?!

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:52 (three months ago) link

Obama reportedly told senior aides in 2011: “Turns out I’m really good at killing people. Didn’t know that was gonna be a strong suit of mine.”

― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, November 1, 2020 10:35 AM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This was originally reported in Mark Halperin and John Heilemann's Double Down: Game Change 2012, where the words "Obama said quietly" appeared between the two sentences. The impression it's meant to convey is that Obama was sobered by it. It wasn't a casual boast.

jaymc, Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:54 (three months ago) link

cool, so we're going to use this thread to re-litigate the Obama era.

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:55 (three months ago) link

i heard a rumor there was an Election but I guess not.

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:55 (three months ago) link

No luck involved, do your duty USA.

sadly, whenever active voter suppression efforts are a concern, some luck comes into play as well. also the litigation of the results, state-by-state, by the trump administration, there's luck involved because sometimes they randomly select federal judges, and if you get a trump-era judge they're probably a total fucking scumbag

just another 3-pinnochio post by (Karl Malone), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:56 (three months ago) link

but i support the overall message! :) the more all of us get out and fight through the bullshit and get our votes locked in, the less luck is involved

just another 3-pinnochio post by (Karl Malone), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:56 (three months ago) link

i did my duty

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:58 (three months ago) link

every box i ticked on my absentee ballot felt viscerally good

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:07 (three months ago) link

oh u voted absentee?

FAKE VOTE

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:10 (three months ago) link

i voted absentee 2

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:10 (three months ago) link

^ Lib admits to double voting!!!

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:13 (three months ago) link

i voted 6 times in Reno
just to watch him lose

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:14 (three months ago) link

From today's polls, Florida looks about dead even: Biden's a little bit ahead in two, Trump a little bit ahead in two (one of which is Susquehanna, not highly rated).

But the most important three look really good: Pennsylvania (+7, +6), Michigan (+7, +7, +7), Wisconsin (+11). Everything else is moot in terms of simply winning the EC.

clemenza, Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:17 (three months ago) link

i'd love for him to win Florida, but we're a stubborn (terrible) state

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:18 (three months ago) link

Maybe if people would stop posting about him, we'd be able to stop re-litigating it.

I'm done for now, though.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:18 (three months ago) link

my comment was directed at the entire convo, not specifically your posts.

convo itself is fine and valid, just...we have threads where it might be better suited when we're kinda anxious about the current election.

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:20 (three months ago) link

In terms of mass murders and war crimes, where does Obama rank among US presidents?

The whole nineteenth century was a series of war crimes and mass murders against Native Americans. Plus the atrocities in the Philippines. We musn't forget all the military interventions in Latin America under cover of the Monroe Doctrine. So, I'd say Obama is below the median.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:20 (three months ago) link

fortunately the Philippines have picked up the slack and started committing atrocities against their own people, thanks to Duterte

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:21 (three months ago) link

I love Ned's early voter updates and appreciate Alfred's "don't be an irrational bedwetter" reminders but I have to accept I have this magical thinking that no matter what Trump has some secret miracle he's going to pull out

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:24 (three months ago) link

I think all of us have that fear to a degree. the stakes are too high, so even the image of a victorious Trump will make most of us sick to our stomach. we have PTSD from 2016. this is the shit Lebron James can shake out of his head as he takes the game-tying freethrow, but I can't.

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:26 (three months ago) link

if you voted against Trump, you made that free throw in my opinion.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:27 (three months ago) link

Mark Price is the god fearing patriot this country needs, but does not deserve

just another 3-pinnochio post by (Karl Malone), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:30 (three months ago) link

i'm listening to Painkiller's "Guts of a Virgin" rn and it sonically encapsulates what my head sounds like right now

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:32 (three months ago) link

I really do hope he eats shit in Texas, and not just bc of electoral implications. Might even go to thamksgibing at my parents’ house this year—which is apparently still happening, even if the usual 30 or so attendees will be whittled down to about 10.

Don’t want to miss my rich Texas chud extended fam and hear my aunt do a really passive-aggressive prayer before we eat. she really fouled the air with one out last year and it was 😙👌

A Biden admin might not offer much but at least I’ll have this.

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:35 (three months ago) link

I am sadly beyond really even caring about the Biden admin, it's just pure hate of Trump and his followers, not admirable I guess

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:36 (three months ago) link

if Trump wins, somebody is going to drop off a huge box that says REPUBLICAN BALLOTS TO BURN with a Beau Biden sticker on it and a nametag that says "Hi My Name is Hunter Biden" to that laptop repair guy

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:37 (three months ago) link

i care more about giving our country a chance to heal, even if Biden will be rife with problems. we don't even have a fighting chance right now.

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:38 (three months ago) link

.@realDonaldTrump reacts to the cold weather during a campaign rally at the Michigan Sports Stars Park in Washington, MI. pic.twitter.com/bMzqcL7yO0

— Doug Mills (@dougmillsnyt) November 1, 2020

global tetrahedron, Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:38 (three months ago) link

nah, he's rapping

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:39 (three months ago) link

On Election Eve, Biden is going to....Ohio. pic.twitter.com/qpup4rCyJf

— Alex Thompson (@AlxThomp) November 1, 2020



If he’s campaigning in Ohio the day before the election then either their private polling is way way off, or this is going to be a blowout.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:47 (three months ago) link

If he sees his shadow it means 4 more years of winter

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 1 November 2020 18:00 (three months ago) link

maybe he's picking up some laptops hunter left behind at the cleveland apple store

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 1 November 2020 18:15 (three months ago) link

BREAKING: Texas Supreme Court DENIES petition seeking to toss out almost 127,000 Harris County votes cast in drive-thru lanes.
Denial is without comment.

— Chuck Lindell (@chucklindell) November 1, 2020

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 1 November 2020 18:33 (three months ago) link

Separate I believe from the federal case tomorrow but I suspect that's not a good sign for said case.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 1 November 2020 18:33 (three months ago) link

Good news

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Sunday, 1 November 2020 18:37 (three months ago) link

Yeah even if - IF - a court ruled that the jurisdiction acted improperly, disenfranchising those voters would be the wrong remedy - they simply believed what their jurisdiction told them.

Kabob Dylan (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 1 November 2020 18:41 (three months ago) link

On the other hand, a decision on the federal case will be worse than useless if it comes too late for the voters to remedy it by voting again, so... back to nail-biting

Kabob Dylan (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 1 November 2020 18:44 (three months ago) link

When have republican courts ever been deterred by the wrong remedy? They'll do as much as they can get away with.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Sunday, 1 November 2020 19:05 (three months ago) link

xpost

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:03 (two months ago) link

Like perhaps you've not been paying attention, but Joe Biden is a racist sack of shit whose major policy initiative of the 90s almost single-handedly led to the state-sponsored slavery we see in today's carceral systems.

If you're okay with that, that's on you, but a guy who has helped to ruin hundreds of thousands of peoples' lives doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from any thinking or feeling individual.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:04 (two months ago) link

It's true; nobody on ILX thinks or feels except table and milo.

Christ, this is so fucking boring.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:09 (two months ago) link

Biden is already making moves that I think are very much worth criticizing, but I understand the inclination to hold off.

as someone who had a hell of a time personally criticizing and even countenancing criticism of Obama (mostly from the ‘the very Concerned and extremely Serious’ corporate media, but absolutely from the Left as well) well into his second term, I do wonder how long a proper honeymoon period should last

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:13 (two months ago) link

IMO: feel free to criticize the things Biden has done, feel free to criticize the things Biden is doing, but if you feel compelled to criticize the things Biden has only done in your florid imaginings of the next 4-8 years then gtfo.

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:16 (two months ago) link

Presidents and soon-to-be Presidents should be criticized mercilessly, their positions and actions interrogated from top to bottom. Part of the cross to bear for deciding that you want to be the most powerful person on the planet.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:18 (two months ago) link

saying people itt are “okay with” the us criminal justice system because they’re not currently joining in your biden dogpile is outrageous tbh

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:18 (two months ago) link

“guess you’re a big fan of donald trump since you wanted a nominee who could have never beaten him. huh - well, that’s on you” fuck outta here

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:20 (two months ago) link

wait a minute-- Biden is pro-slavery? Why didn't this come out before the election? #RIGGED

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:21 (two months ago) link

well into his second term

actually that’s not true. I think I do remember being mildly annoyed by the time of the 2012 election, but among my subset of friends who pay an inordinate and prob unhealthy amount of attn to this stuff I feel like I was regarded Captain Save-an-O

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:25 (two months ago) link

Is it churlish to point out that the Crime Bill being referenced had the enthusiastic support of more than two-thirds of the Black Congressional Congress and that its legacy/result is a good bit more complicated than “White man wanted to lock up Black people because racism”? Or am I just deluded and compromised because I was alive at the time and I remember who was promoting the bill and how it was initially received?

DJP, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:33 (two months ago) link

Is it churlish to point out that the Crime Bill being referenced had the enthusiastic support of more than two-thirds of the Black Congressional Congress and that its legacy/result is a good bit more complicated than “White man wanted to lock up Black people because racism”? Or am I just deluded and compromised because I was alive at the time and I remember who was promoting the bill and how it was initially received?

White internet radicals always know best, DJP. Haven't you figured that out yet?

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:39 (two months ago) link

^^ it frustrates me that these points aren't made more often.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:40 (two months ago) link

isn't this back to racist "intention" vs. results?

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:43 (two months ago) link

this legislation doesn't have a racist bone in its body!

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:43 (two months ago) link

I also think that instead of mentally preparing ourselves to hate on future President Biden, we should be reserving a good chunk of our righteous anger for the Republicans in Congress and on the Supreme Court who will be doing everything in their power during his presidency to prevent, water down, and/or nullify any positive accomplishments.

epistantophus, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:44 (two months ago) link

lord grant me the strength not to waste undue energy on people who are actually evil

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:48 (two months ago) link

Biden palled around with racists before and after the Crime Bill. Maybe he’s not one but he never found them too objectionable.

That’s a separate issue from Biden’s history of pursuing multiple policies that have resulted in mass incarceration. The support of large parts of the CBC for one of those policies just means those members were wrong too.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:49 (two months ago) link

we should be reserving a good chunk of our righteous anger for the Republicans in Congress and on the Supreme Court

If the past two presidential cycles have taught me anything, it's that the American left in general has a hard time getting as outraged by even the abuses of Donald Trump as they do by things they can call neoliberal. Your garden-variety theocratic/Koch Bros agenda just doesn't arouse the level of visceral righteousness that the Democratic establishment does.

Always criticizing AMERICA why don't you ever criticize NORTH KOREA huh?!

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:52 (two months ago) link

Jesus christ.

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:53 (two months ago) link

lol

pomenitul, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:53 (two months ago) link

If you live in a country where the greatest political challenge to your priorities is corporate Democrats, by all means devote most of your time to attacking them. It sounds like a nice country. Just not the one I live in.

tipsy what is your plan for pushing the supreme court left

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:57 (two months ago) link

Electing more Democrats of just about any kind to presidency and the Senate over and over for a decade or two.

people get mad at the people/institutions that hypthetically share (at least some of) their priorities and should be less shitty. you don't argue with mutants.

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 15:59 (two months ago) link

tipsy otm

epistantophus, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:00 (two months ago) link

xpost fuck that, I got in Leonardo's face last week

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:03 (two months ago) link

You have to get past the Better Things Aren’t Possible corporate Democrats before you can even take on the mutants.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:11 (two months ago) link

I guess we need a December thread if anyone wants to step up

Alba, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:14 (two months ago) link

people get mad at the people/institutions that hypthetically share (at least some of) their priorities and should be less shitty. you don't argue with mutants.

I agree with you up to a point, I think it's good to hold people on or closer to "your side" accountable, and yes you should have higher expectations of them than you do of people who are nakedly hostile to your views or values. But also it's important to always understand and keep in mind your total political context, which very much includes all of those people who are nakedly hostile to you.

Mostly the leftist vilification of Biden this year and Hillary in '16 has seemed performative to me in a fairly tired way that just seems removed from the political world I live in. Joe Biden being a corporate centrist is far from my greatest political concern. I agree with most of the criticisms (though some are reductive and overly simplistic), but I also understand that a comfortable, familiar moderate was what a lot of voters gravitated to this year. And I understand why. I don't hate people who voted for Joe Biden in the primary. They were doing what they thought was the best thing to beat Donald Trump. I can't argue with the results of that.

Harping on Joe Biden being a bad person or "racist sack of shit" or whatever doesn't advance any particular cause that I can see, though I'm sure it feels good.

Keep the mutants out of power first and foremost.

epistantophus, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:15 (two months ago) link

We’re on Ilx to feel good(?) not advance causes tho xp

is right unfortunately (silby), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:15 (two months ago) link

these days I'm on ILM to find Chris Rea remixes.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:17 (two months ago) link

Keep the mutants out of power first and foremost.

The corporate Democrats have a terrible record at this, though. Seems like they’re more comfortable sharing the stage with the mutants than social democrats or progressives.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:19 (two months ago) link

Harping on Joe Biden being a bad person or "racist sack of shit" or whatever doesn't advance any particular cause that I can see, though I'm sure it feels good.

it does not

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:20 (two months ago) link

(though personally those aren't the terms/lines of attack I would focus on)

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:21 (two months ago) link

When the Republicans get even an inch more leverage they use it to do the worst shit possible. Trump’s presidency set us back decades. That kind of shit has to be prevented at all costs. Look at our fucking Supreme Court now.

epistantophus, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:27 (two months ago) link

(not mad at anyone here, just getting a little worked up)

epistantophus, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:32 (two months ago) link

more than 1 xp

Karl are you currently attempting a 420 unlock on Havin' A Roni

― huge rant (sic)

holy shit that is a vanilla ice DEEP CUT

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:34 (two months ago) link

This fucking discussion again huh

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:36 (two months ago) link

look, i understand that everyone already knows havin' a roni. it's not a "deep cut". but i was a kid when vanilla ice was huge, and we only knew ice ice baby. this may be the millionth time for you, but i've been waiting to talk about havin' a roni for 30+ years now

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:38 (two months ago) link

i'm skipping over the rest of it because i saw a glance and yes, it's this fucking discussion again

we are in hell

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:39 (two months ago) link

minimal judgment, there; i've been in that discussion a hundred times, and i will probably be in it next time

that's how hell works

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:40 (two months ago) link

“we are in hell” for December thread title

is right unfortunately (silby), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:40 (two months ago) link

You have to get past the Better Things Aren’t Possible corporate Democrats before you can even take on the mutants.

Progressives are 0 for 2 in the last two Dem primaries - 0 for 0 in the general. Try harder?

I donated to and supported and voted for Bernie in the primary. I thought Trump was so hated that 2020 was the golden opportunity for progressives - if not now, then when?

Now I seriously question whether anyone other than Joe Biden was going to win this election.

the colour out of space (is the place) (PBKR), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:41 (two months ago) link

oh shit, it's Dec 1? wtf are we doing in this thread?!?
GET OUT!!

GET OUT!!!!!!!

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:41 (two months ago) link

"we are in hell" is basically the one statement we can all agree on

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:42 (two months ago) link

here we go
US Politics December 2020: an uneventful month, overall

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:43 (two months ago) link

get out

Evan, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:47 (two months ago) link


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