Marvel Cinematic Universe, Phase 4 & Beyond (and a chance to change your vote)

Get a good director with a good crew and let them cook who knew

tbh we don’t know yet

wonder if she is regretting the marvel move or if this is all copacetic or what

At this point I can't imagine there are any illusions about what a director's getting themselves into.

Right? I'm sure it will help her finance one or two more pet projects, although I'm sure the Oscars will also help relieve that particular pressure.

money machine goes brrrrrrrrr iirc
lol xp

they bought her an Oscar, she'll play ball

Right? I'm sure it will help her finance one or two more pet projects, although I'm sure the Oscars will also help relieve that particular pressure.

― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, April 28, 2021

billionaire dads help too iirc

was not aware though it explains a lot about how she made the transition to filmmaker in the american west with non-actors!

this t-shirt in her wiki picture is kraken me up
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Chloe_Zhao_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/800px-Chloe_Zhao_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg

i should be clear that's a not a knock and an oscar still greases the skids for whatever she wants to do next!

(cf megan ellison. there are plenty of people born on third base who don't have multiple oscar noms in their dossier)

Another thoughtful Charles Pulliam-Moore consideration, talking about many different recent series/films as well:

https://io9.gizmodo.com/racism-is-how-you-get-shows-like-the-falcon-and-the-wi-1846791627

IIRC the making-of for the series is running now.

I thought the ending was a disappointment, particularly given the Zemo speech about heroic supremacy, and the idea of Captain America as the bloodied face of empire.

Basically two years of release dates:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpxoFcdORI

Black Widow’s release date was changed from May 7 to July 9, 2021 back in March. It’ll be shown in both theaters and Disney+.
Shang-Chi And The Legend Of The Ten Rings is coming out on September 23, 2021.
The Eternals, directed by recent Oscar winner Chloe Zhao, will premiere on November 5, 2021.
Spider-Man: No Way Home premieres on December 17, 2021. It’s sooner than the date in the original teaser, which mentioned it’d be coming on Christmas.
As previously announced, Thor: Love And Thunder premieres on February 11, 2022.
Doctor Strange: In The Multiverse Of Madness premieres on March 25, 2022. It was originally slated for November 6, 2020.
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever is still keeping the previously announced date of July 8, 2022. We still don’t have word on how the story continues after the death of Chadwick Boseman, so it’s a big surprise that it’s slated to come out next year. It’s especially interesting, considering Marvel Studios had no plans of digitally having the late actor reprise the role.
The Marvels premieres on November 11, 2022.
Paul Rudd reprises his role as Ant-Man in Ant-Man And The Wasp: Quantumania, which premieres February 17, 2023.
The James Gunn-directed Guardians Of The Galaxy: Vol. 3 premieres May 5, 2023.

Plus a blink and you'll miss it tease of Fantastic Four thrown in four good measure.

I fundamentally disagree with that Pulliam-Moore piece’s conclusions about The Falcon and The Winter Soldier but a large part of that disagreement comes from passing familiarity with the source material. I think he 100% misread the US Agent origin story and I don’t know what Isaiah Bradley would have done in a more expanded role in the story other than add more Black suffering, which he’s already criticizing in the piece. Most of the criticism seems to be “none of these are as good as Get Out” which… okay? I agree, but also Get Out is a superlative piece of work that is better than most other movies and TV shows, so that doesn’t bother me.

Ah, okay, I thought The Marvels was something new but I guess it's just the updated title for the Captain Marvel sequel (apparently also featuring Monica Rambeau and, based on the typography of the title, possibly also Kamala Khan?).

That video did the trick of getting me hyped to see these in the theater. Guy Debord would be proud.

Oh, The Marvels is the new title for Captain Marvel 2, was wondering what that was before I watched the promo.

I think he 100% misread the US Agent origin story

I thought so, too. Which I think partly hinges on his not knowing who JLD is supposed to be.

She doesn't read as "good guy" regardless of context so it's weird that it would be interpreted that the whole deal Walker is signing up for is meant to be thought of as heroic

So the plan foe the next two years is three new properties up front and then SEVEN sequels?

More like two, since I wouldn't consider a Black Widow spin-off a "new property".

But lots of chances to introduce new characters and significant twists to the MCU (female Thor, Ms Marvel, to name just a few), so I don't think it's all that bleak.

xp
fyi, you're in the MCU thread

broadly, every movie since The Incredible Hulk has been a sequel

also—do correct me if I'm wrong here, I'm no expert—but aren't the "new characters and significant twists" all taken from pre-existing comics storylines?

As far as what's been (un)officially announced, yes.

Is the new Loki series based on a comic?

There have been Loki comics but the plotline of the show looks like its own thing, built around his new status in the MCU.

phew, almost forgot to vote

I just watched episode 3 of F&WS, and what I found distracting to the point of ruining my enjoyment was the fact that Madripoor is supposed to be "In the Indonesian islands", yet every character was wearing like knee length trenchcoats and black leather onesies the whole time.

One was wearing a fur coat! In Indonesia!

I mean if we're talking about wearing something 'cool-looking' in a climate not suited for it, that ship sailed a loooong time ago:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ncd4b5d_cM0/maxresdefault.jpg

But Roz's statements upthread (or was it Twitter?) about the whole choppiness of the Madripoor depiction are worth noting.

for the non-Marvel Zombies among you, Madripoor in the comics dates back to Claremont's mutant runs (most heavily in Wolverine's first solo book in the 90's) and was basically a blend of Caniff's "yellow peril" piers of Asian iniquity, Casablanca, Jabba's Palace and Blade Runner's LA. They probably shouldn't have gone to the well for this as source material in the first place as it is impossibly outdated and inherently problematic.

That video did the trick of getting me hyped to see these in the theater.

― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch)

man if they've convinced Old Lunch to finally get excited for a Marvel movie...

I am amused that thanks to Coronavirus, Phase 4 will feature a few years with 4 films, much as the previous phases had 1-, 2- and 3-film years.

xpost The key part of my comment was the 'in the theater' bit, ya wiseacre.

I didn’t know you’ve been waiting for TV until now!

Oh my gawwwwd, it's like talking to Drax (a character featured in such films as Guardians of the Galaxy and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2).

Can I axe you people something? Why is Spider-man even called Spider-man? I get that he was bit by a radioactive spider, but his only powers or features that have anything to do with spiders (the web shooters) also have nothing to do with being bit, they're just tech devices that anyone could use. But his other powers - like sticking to walls, his so-called "spider-sense" (aka a heightened nervous response, agility, strength, etc. - are not unique to spiders. Whereas some of the things that *are* unique to spiders, like eight legs, or sucking the life out of prey, or poison or whatever, are *not* powers he has. I mean, Ant-man can shrink to the size of an ant and talk to ants, the Falcon has wings, Dr. Oc has multiple arms, Rhino dresses like a rhino, and so on, they're all pretty literal minded. But Spider-man? It's a pretty confusing moniker. They should probably change it.

Josh.

why isn't Ant-Man called Gecko-Man at moments when he has only shrunk to the size of a gecko

Maybe he's just been different sizes of geckos all along. Also, he can't stick to things like geckos.

But, like, if Ant-Man developed tech that let him stick to things, then sure, he could be Gecko-Man.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/40/Gordon_Gekko.jpg/220px-Gordon_Gekko.jpg

Josh.

― Nhex, Monday, May 10, 2021 2:47 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I lolled.

He's Spider-Man because his spider-centric powers were triggered by a bite from a radioactive spider. For a more detailed explanation, consult the works of J. Michael Straczynski but don't say that you weren't warned. Once you come across the term 'spider totem' you might not be able to crawl back out of the rabbit hole.

But he doesn't really have any spider-centric powers! He has kind of generic bug/insect powers, but the only really spider-y thing about him is the web slingers, and those did not come from the spider bite.

Has there ever been a Spider-man that wrapped baddies up in webs and then drained the life out of them with their fangs? There should be.

I think some of the movies actually had him generating webs from his body, from (I guess) glands on his wrists.

I mean, when you think about it, how "incredible" really is the Hulk after all? Wouldn't you say he's more "grotesque", in the "comically distorted" meaning?

Man-Spider is the guy you're looking for Josh

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/8/8f/Man-Spider.png

lol imagine if Man-Spider was a hero (assuming it wasn't)

xpost The Incredulous Hulk.

xxpost That does ring a bell, maybe in the Raimi movies?