Search & Destroy: Demonyms

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or, one benefit of living in Wolverhampton

mookieproof, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 15:02 (two weeks ago) link

Was going to post this on the other thread but how on earth did Manchester begat Mancunian and Birmingham Brummagem?

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 15:04 (two weeks ago) link

why are you taking umbrage at brummagem

superdeep borehole (harbl), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 15:04 (two weeks ago) link

People from Trois-Rivières are Trifluvians.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 15:06 (two weeks ago) link

people from pittsburgh could also be trifluvians :)

superdeep borehole (harbl), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 15:07 (two weeks ago) link

Umbrage at brutalism of Brummagem bruxism.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 15:07 (two weeks ago) link

Jonathan Meades' next book.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 15:08 (two weeks ago) link

'saskatchewanians' is a bit of a letdown imo

mookieproof, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 15:09 (two weeks ago) link

Colloquially known as Sasquatches iirc.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 15:14 (two weeks ago) link

People from Notre-Dame-des-Sept-Douleurs (pop. 49) are called Verdoyants.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 15:16 (two weeks ago) link

People from Trois-Rivières are Trifluvians.

i spent a summer there and really should have known this! though tbf there's really only one fleuve

mookieproof, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 15:18 (two weeks ago) link

Flueuva Flueve

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 15:37 (two weeks ago) link

Apparently not all Edinburgers appreciate their name.

here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 17:09 (two weeks ago) link

Brummagem has a chequered history

1000 Scampo DJs (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 18:02 (two weeks ago) link

Never really hear anybody in Hull use the traditional Hullensian

1000 Scampo DJs (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 18:03 (two weeks ago) link

Novocastrian is fun

1000 Scampo DJs (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 18:04 (two weeks ago) link

always liked Michigander

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 18:07 (two weeks ago) link

oh yeah that's nice

1000 Scampo DJs (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 18:08 (two weeks ago) link

Monégasque is a good one.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 18:15 (two weeks ago) link

Cantabridgian forever, esp. for the "Cantab" shortening

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 18:16 (two weeks ago) link

Also I grew up in a town called Delmar and we enjoyed calling ourselves Delmartians

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 18:18 (two weeks ago) link

Apparently not all Edinburgers appreciate their name.

Still better than Édimbourgeois.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 18:23 (two weeks ago) link

Was going to post this on the other thread but how on earth did Manchester begat Mancunian and Birmingham Brummagem?

― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:04 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

the roman settlement in what is now Manchester was Mancunium. Brummagem is an old name for Birmingham - I don't know that it is used as a demonym, but I don't know too much about Birmingham. brummie is what I hear as the demonym

here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 18:29 (two weeks ago) link

someone from Mexico City is a "defeño" from its former official Spanish name "Mexico Distrito Federal", shortened to Mexico D.F (pronounced "de. efe").

here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 18:32 (two weeks ago) link

Is DCer a thing, i.e. to distinguish between Washingtonians and Washingtonians?

pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 18:36 (two weeks ago) link

xp Thanks Jim. I think I knew both of those, in some distant part of my brane. I very occasionally hear Brummagem used as a demonym, but aye it's Brummie 99% of the time.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 18:36 (two weeks ago) link

Michganer is way better Michiganian. Yooper and Troll are other good sub-demonym.

I also like Spokanite because it sounds like an mineral over Seattleite which just sounds like a mispronunciation of satellite.

joygoat, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 18:37 (two weeks ago) link

Spokanite sounds like a mispronunciation of Sputnik tho.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 18:38 (two weeks ago) link

Brummagem is definitely a demonym if somewhat obsolete and only used in its shortened form. 'Brummagem steel' too for a standard phrase you'll find in older books.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 18:56 (two weeks ago) link

Sandancer for South Shields

mizzell, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 18:59 (two weeks ago) link

haha, I like that.

I went to a chippy in South Shields once, it was very good. had pictures of Tony Blair, D Miliband, and Ainsley Harriot on the wall

here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 19:01 (two weeks ago) link

It's kind of weird how some cities just lend themselves to this and others don't. Like, the word Glaswegian probably gets used 10 times more than Edinburger. Liverpudlians and Mancunians, everyone knows; Loiners I just had to look up for Leeds.

Is this something to do with the respective strength of identity, or just that Loiner sounds really stupid?

Alba, Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:15 (two weeks ago) link

in north america there's basically a choice between settler names and native names, all of which are fairly recent. (largely) the latter 'got' the rivers and the former 'got' the cities

if i had a city with 2000+ years of history i'd totally pick the wackest possible name for a demonym

mookieproof, Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:24 (two weeks ago) link

also i feel like this heritage of demonyms is related to accepted prepositions of travel (which fascinates me)

i live in brooklyn; i can go (or used to go!) *into* the city or *out* to long island. where i grew up one could go up to butler or erie, over to harrisburg, down to morgantown

totally lost with uk references, although i think one goes *up* to either oxbridge?

mookieproof, Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:34 (two weeks ago) link

Re: Oxbridge, yes you come up to them at the start of the term. It's a bit of a dated term but I'm sure some Rees-Mogg wannabees still trot it out.

I think in the UK the going up to vs down to is as much of a puzzle as it is in the US. I suppose it's vaguely related to north and south but not very strictly. See also an ancient ILX discussion about which end the "top" of Oxford Street is.

Alba, Thursday, 15 October 2020 11:07 (two weeks ago) link

Oh, and of course the US has 'downtown' and 'uptown', which the UK doesn't.

Alba, Thursday, 15 October 2020 11:08 (two weeks ago) link

never heard of brummagem before, or thought to wonder where 'brummie' came from despite being one now. apparently derived from 'bromwich-ham'.

neith moon (ledge), Thursday, 15 October 2020 11:14 (two weeks ago) link

"Brummagem" and "Brummagem ware" are also terms for cheap and shoddy imitations, in particular when referring to mass-produced goods. This use is archaic in the UK, but persists in some specialist areas in the US and Australia.

The term's pejorative use appears to have originated with the city's brief 17th-century reputation for counterfeited groats.

1000 Scampo DJs (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 15 October 2020 11:18 (two weeks ago) link

weegee ftw

assert (MatthewK), Thursday, 15 October 2020 11:30 (two weeks ago) link

Edinburgh is Eberdonian surely, I don’t think I’ve ever heard Edinburger.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Thursday, 15 October 2020 11:44 (two weeks ago) link

I think you've just made Eberdonian up, Ed. Are you thinking of Aberdonian for Aberdeen?

Alba, Thursday, 15 October 2020 12:03 (two weeks ago) link

i did not know that about the negative connotations of Brummagem goods. That, and the time when Birmingham steel considered a byword for quality, especially for firearms, suggests some interesting trade and competition dynamics at play.

Fizzles, Thursday, 15 October 2020 12:32 (two weeks ago) link

edinborogovian.

neith moon (ledge), Thursday, 15 October 2020 12:38 (two weeks ago) link

I thought you just went up to things north of you and down to things south of you? I sometimes get them muddled and you can "go down" to anywhere if you think of it like "I'm going down the pub" (oi oi oi), but I think in general it's just north/south.

emil.y, Thursday, 15 October 2020 13:49 (two weeks ago) link

Also I don't actually know what my proper demonym is - Nottinghamian? Nottinghammer? Nottsoid? I tend to use the first but not sure if it's correct.

emil.y, Thursday, 15 October 2020 13:51 (two weeks ago) link

I'm an Orlandolt Floridiot

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Thursday, 15 October 2020 13:57 (two weeks ago) link

I thought you just went up to things north of you and down to things south of you?

this explains it better than i could.

neith moon (ledge), Thursday, 15 October 2020 14:19 (two weeks ago) link

I thought you just went up to things north of you and down to things south of you?

i think this is largely the case, but with exceptions due to elevation, river flow and general local weirdness

nottinghamian appears to be the most common despite nottinghammer being much more \m/

mookieproof, Thursday, 15 October 2020 14:52 (two weeks ago) link

googling reveals a few people and places using “DCite” to refer to residents of the District, but wiki and the majority of the world still stand by “Washingtonian” (boring).

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 15 October 2020 14:59 (two weeks ago) link

OK I just had to google what people from LA are called. Angelenos?! Does anyone use this. Maybe LA is just a state of mind, or a figment of all our imaginations.

Alba, Thursday, 15 October 2020 15:06 (two weeks ago) link

Also sounds a bit gendered.

Alba, Thursday, 15 October 2020 15:06 (two weeks ago) link

I've heard Angelenos a number of times before and I'm not even in the States, so it's definitely in use.

emil.y, Thursday, 15 October 2020 15:14 (two weeks ago) link

Angels are gender-neutral iirc.

pomenitul, Thursday, 15 October 2020 15:16 (two weeks ago) link

angelenx

mookieproof, Thursday, 15 October 2020 15:30 (two weeks ago) link

Angelenos definitely widely used

here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 15 October 2020 16:39 (two weeks ago) link

Anyone who participated in the Billy Joel listening thread knows about Los Angelenos and how they like to go into garages for exotic massages

IT'S BETTER THAN DRINKIN' ALONE: The Official ILM Track-by-Track BILLY JOEL Listening Thread

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 15 October 2020 16:49 (two weeks ago) link

weegee ftw

― assert (MatthewK), Thursday, October 15, 2020 4:30 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's spelled weegie, and we hate it!

here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 15 October 2020 18:00 (two weeks ago) link

This is clearly a blind spot of mine (as is Billy Joel).

Google ngrams, comparing usage of New Yorkers, Bostonians and Angelenos. The latter two are closer than I would have guessed. Went for the singular rather than plural to avoid the New Yorker magazine giving it an unfair advantage. New Yorkers is still far ahead but interesting how it's plummeted since 2004.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Angelenos%2CNew+Yorkers%2CBostonians&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2CAngelenos%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CNew%20Yorkers%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CBostonians%3B%2Cc0

Alba, Thursday, 15 October 2020 18:06 (two weeks ago) link

I think last time I looked at Ngrams, the data ran out at 2010 so very pleased it now goes to 2019.

Alba, Thursday, 15 October 2020 18:07 (two weeks ago) link


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