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The season is almost over, let's congregate here and let the spoilers/speculation fly

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 9 October 2020 13:48 (three weeks ago) link

Been a few years since I read the book so I'm not up on the differences, other than remembering the rescuing of the father (and thinking the uncle didn't die?), but have been enjoying the depth of the series' translation. I Am, with Hippolyta meeting Josephine Baker, was a great episode. The last episode's Topsey and Bobsey were nicely "Us" scary, too. Hope HBO greenlights a second season.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 9 October 2020 14:07 (three weeks ago) link

There have been quite a few differences from the book but, as far as I can remember them, I think the show has improved upon them. The Hippolyta episode was significantly different, but in a good way. Iirc the book made her journey at the telescope tie in much more specifically with the overall Braithwaite story, but I preferred how the show made it a journey finding her power and grappling with the choices she made in life. It's been a few years for me with the book as well, I don't believe Atticus' time in Korea is mentioned anything more than in passing reference in the book. But this has been exceptional so far and I can't wait to see how it all wraps up. I don't really have any speculation, I'm just really enjoying the ride so far.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 9 October 2020 14:19 (three weeks ago) link

I don't think I've ever seen a show that oscillates between brilliance and absolute hamfisted incomprehensible bollocks so wildly. The first episode I thought we were looking at a classic and then the second was so badly written, paced and acted that it was almost unwatchable. Then the third episode, with the haunted basement, was phenomenal again, and the temple under the museum went back to being bollocks.

I'm up to the episode where Rose gets to spend time as a white woman and it was probably the best and most involving of the series so far, but good lord the overarching plot is nonsense.

Matt DC, Friday, 9 October 2020 14:23 (three weeks ago) link

"Rose"'s name is Ruby, which is important because you've inadvertently given me the mental image of Billie Piper taking a potion so she can turn into a different white woman

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 9 October 2020 14:56 (three weeks ago) link

my wife decided to cut and run at the second episode, which got a reaction along the lines of wait, that was only the second episode? I look forward to returning to the show on my own. seems like it's more of a neo anthology right?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 October 2020 15:00 (three weeks ago) link

With an overarching plot, yeah.

Matt, I think the show stabilizes as of episode 5 and is uniformly great from there on out, but I also liked the end of the roadtrip and the Raiders of the Lost Ark digression

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 9 October 2020 15:02 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah I liked the trip under the museum, making explicit the links to pulp adventure novels.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 9 October 2020 15:06 (three weeks ago) link

I Am, with Hippolyta meeting Josephine Baker, was a great episode.

This is my favorite episode so far. My only complaint about the series is the mostly-hacky soundtrack (string glissandi = "scary." Got it). As Vernon Reid tweeted, it was great to hear Sun Ra's voice; would be even better to hear his music in the show.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 October 2020 15:07 (three weeks ago) link

"I Am" was the best episode of television I've seen in a while, there have been a couple rum episodes but the overall feel of the show is fantastic (and I loved the museum adventure, barring what looked like a pretty callous elimination of a character the writers didn't know what to do with/didn't have a place for in future episodes but she could have just gone back to her home planet like Poochy you didn't have to kill her!). Just for comparison's sake, even the less-awesome episodes are much better than the average modern Doctor Who story.

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Friday, 9 October 2020 15:22 (three weeks ago) link

I just want to say that Topsy and Bopsy freaked me the fuck out and are the most terrifying things to appear in the season to date

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 9 October 2020 15:25 (three weeks ago) link

Somebody with HBO needs to ask me to pet sit so I can see the latest couple of episodes

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Friday, 9 October 2020 15:32 (three weeks ago) link

I need to start this again. I loved the book and for some reason didn't love the first episode but sometimes it's easy to get caught up in the fact it's not what you had in your head and not enjoy it for what it is

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 October 2020 15:40 (three weeks ago) link

I do think that making both Montrose and Atticus more barbaric/monstrous in the name of protecting their own is a strong narrative choice but it's somewhat tempered/hampered by it being a rhetorical device we've seen throughout all kinds of entertainment, usually at the expense of the most vulnerable in real life.

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 9 October 2020 15:43 (three weeks ago) link

I just want to say that Topsy and Bopsy freaked me the fuck out and are the most terrifying things to appear in the season to date

― shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, October 9, 2020 11:25 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Definitely more creepy than any other monsters. Those grins were awful.

Quiet Storm Thorgerson (PBKR), Friday, 9 October 2020 16:39 (three weeks ago) link

I am glad I stuck it out because I liked certain aspects bc I thought the first two episodes were the worst. It's gotten progressively better and better (though the Hippolyta episode might have been the best.

Quiet Storm Thorgerson (PBKR), Friday, 9 October 2020 16:42 (three weeks ago) link

oops, ykwim

Quiet Storm Thorgerson (PBKR), Friday, 9 October 2020 16:42 (three weeks ago) link

Topsy and Bopsy were legit terrifying
And the girl who plays Dee was incredible!

I am really loving the show, never seen something that is such a wild unpredictable rollercoaster of actual horrors, supernatural horrors, magic & history but also downright charming at the same time.

I took Christina’s Emmett Till reenactment partly as a way of testing her protection spell/mark of cain, like proving her invincibility to herself, ie that she can survive anything, including torture and death. Hence her laughing at the end? idk whole thing was fkn CRAZY

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 October 2020 18:23 (three weeks ago) link

oh and the effect they use for Ruby’s metamorphosis from white body to black & vice versa looks so incredible and horrific, blows me away every time

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 October 2020 18:25 (three weeks ago) link

Dee slipping through the cracks as every adult around her fails to clue her into the supernatural dangers swirling around them because they're too focused on the prosaic day-to-day dangers swirling around them was *chef's kiss*

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 9 October 2020 18:36 (three weeks ago) link

I was just confused because I thought Christina had just mentioned her goal is achieve immortality, not that she already has it?

Anway put me in the "this is both the best and sillyest thing". Very high/low all around.

dan selzer, Friday, 9 October 2020 18:40 (three weeks ago) link

One of my favorite elements of this show is that so many of the characters who were introduced as supporting players early on and who in a typical show would kinda be perpetually relegated to the sidelines have been given their own showcase episodes where I'm like 'okay, that character is great and the actor portraying that character is great'.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 October 2020 18:41 (three weeks ago) link

xxpost DJP otm

and the sidewalk scene between her and Letty was so well-observed. Dee’s been missing & is clearly FREAKING out but all that takes a backseat to Letty’s own personal crisis in that moment, like kid I can’t spare you anything emotionally in this moment: you’re a big girl: handle it

lots of really subtle but SO true domestic/personal moments in this show

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 October 2020 19:56 (three weeks ago) link

Also that they all assume she's trying to deal with the fallout of her best friend's murder and not that she's being chased by demon pickaninnies

Like, every major character is drowning in magic at this point and none of them even consider the possibility that it might have spilled over onto Dee

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 9 October 2020 20:17 (three weeks ago) link

totally! also can i just say that ~holy fuck~ the added layer of magic in her scenes w the cops made all of it a whole new level of terrifying

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 October 2020 20:47 (three weeks ago) link

agree with Matt DC. I wish they'd dispensed with all the crap CGI ghoulies and stuck with the more subtle, insidious tone that most of the first episode promised (until the crap CGI ghoulies turned up).

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Friday, 9 October 2020 22:33 (three weeks ago) link

i've only seen the first couple episodes though. happy to stick it out

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Friday, 9 October 2020 22:35 (three weeks ago) link

also i was ride or die with this show from the first ep so i cant help any of you hangback fools itt

/jk <3

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 October 2020 22:59 (three weeks ago) link

I don’t take the opinions of anyone who hasn’t seen episodes 3 and 5 of this show seriously

shout-out to his family (DJP), Saturday, 10 October 2020 00:24 (three weeks ago) link

^^^

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 October 2020 00:32 (three weeks ago) link

Hoping this is going to return for a 2nd series and get even weirder. Could do with them doing more along the lines of psychedelic sequences stroked by Sun Ra.

Actually the one thing I'm not totally into is them moving away from great music roughly contemporary to the action.could do with less much later stuff. Cos the contemporary stuff they picked has been very tasty.

Stevolende, Saturday, 10 October 2020 07:47 (three weeks ago) link

Could do with them doing more along the lines of psychedelic sequences stroked by Sun Ra.

The space lady with the massive hair was one of the greatest things I have seen on television in ages. Apart from the fact that she looked awesome, it was an absolute delight to see something positive and aspirational in a programme so full of dread and horror.

trishyb, Saturday, 10 October 2020 11:28 (three weeks ago) link

space lady was presumably the character her daughter had been drawing in the travel comic she wrote.
though maybe that's already clear.

Stevolende, Saturday, 10 October 2020 12:05 (three weeks ago) link

oh hey wow i didnt catch that! thanks

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 10 October 2020 16:16 (three weeks ago) link

Ah, I didn't cop that either. Smart.

trishyb, Saturday, 10 October 2020 16:34 (three weeks ago) link

I agree that the show sometimes loses its balance, which isn't a surprise given how much it's trying to balance, but the good stuff is great and the bad stuff is mostly just ridiculous rather than aggravating. Honestly, the show it reminds me most of is Buffy — all the horror-as-metaphor, the overarching plot that sort of comes and goes, the characters' interpersonal dramas, etc.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 10 October 2020 19:34 (three weeks ago) link

man this week’s ep was harrowing af
i need to lie down

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 12 October 2020 05:21 (two weeks ago) link

and that requiem floored me
for a moment I thought it was Leontyne Price singing! what an incredible voice

stunning

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 12 October 2020 05:27 (two weeks ago) link

Greenwood 1921 is getting quite an outing this year.
Presumably this must have been filmed before Watchmen got in on the act.
NOt to mention orange faux pases

Stevolende, Monday, 12 October 2020 12:37 (two weeks ago) link

catch myself, a dogwhistle said loudly is no longer a dogwhistle and a faux pas done intentionally is not a misstep.

Still wonder how many people knew about the Greenwood massacre before it turned up in public as a sci fi show trope thsi year.
THink there were books selling quite well in certain markets.

Stevolende, Monday, 12 October 2020 12:45 (two weeks ago) link

That was a terrific episode, although it was driving me a little crazy when Leti was slow walking through the fire and flames back to the portal while Hippolyta was agonizing, trying to keep it open.

Says a lot about our country that prestige HBO shows have done more to teach Americans about Greenwood than 100 years of public education.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 12 October 2020 14:00 (two weeks ago) link

was thinking the same thing with Leti yeah.

Stevolende, Monday, 12 October 2020 14:12 (two weeks ago) link

Great episode, definitely. I really like how every episode (especially the last half) are very satisfying on their own. They tell a fairly compact story with a beginning, middle, end end. This one didn't rely on a cheap cliffhanger and "oh, we're blowing your mind" Lindelhof bullshit, but still fit well into the larger narrative.

Quiet Storm Thorgerson (PBKR), Saturday, 17 October 2020 19:21 (two weeks ago) link

last half = last half of the season

Quiet Storm Thorgerson (PBKR), Saturday, 17 October 2020 19:21 (two weeks ago) link

Finale thoughts? SPOILERS, since the opening of the thread allows for them. Some talk here and here from the show runner, Misha Green. She dodges the question of Tic returning, but confirms they're open to an unannounced 2nd season, while not providing any spoilers as to its content.

Semi-trained not to accept deaths as final, particularly in an episode where they brought back Titus, but Tic's sacrifice had weight. Ruby choosing Leti over Christina, also impactful. One of those series that feels self-contained and complete, and not the first part of a five-year effort. I want more, but if not, this was good tv.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:14 (one week ago) link

It's oddly difficult to get a sense of whether I should read the book or watch the series in this case. Opinions are divided? I have some irl friends who love the book and aren't that into the show.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:30 (one week ago) link

I loved it. I was hoping that they would find a loophole for Tic to avoid sacrificing himself but they did a good job of not only making his sacrifice feel inevitable but an earned, premeditated choice.

I also loved the emotional arc of all the characters. If there’s one thing I wish had happened, it’s that Sammy had also been accepted by the family. It’s certainly a thread a second season could pick up, but I also am not sure what story a second season would tell; they resolved the central conflict and effectively destroyed Lovecraft Country. They can all make themselves impervious to harm. It might be fun to see where these characters go when unencumbered by the fear of oppression as well as exploring what limits there are to the magic they have reclaimed but how do you do that in a way that keeps them heroic and doesn’t invite lazy comparisons to Randian philosophy? I’m willing to give a subsequent season the benefit of the doubt but story wise, this was satisfying for me.

shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:34 (one week ago) link

Thought it was excellent and very satisfying without quite hitting the highs of some previous episodes.

Assuming the book was a one off and it's all been told in this first season?

groovypanda, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:39 (one week ago) link

Yes, there are some differences in the overaching plot but they covered all of the same material.

shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:40 (one week ago) link

(I haven't read it yet, just the Wikipedia synopsis)

shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:40 (one week ago) link

Hoping this at least opens that gates fopr further explorations along similar lines while also hoping it doesn't lead to clones or similar.
Did wonder if this was going to get a 2nd season, same with Watchmen which i also finished yesterday. Thought I wasn't going to like that then did.
Funny that they both featured Greenwood heavily , was it a coincidence?

anyway want to see more of this cast so hope they are going to go onto good new stuff.well the black cast anyway.

Oh yeah did like Hypolyta coming in to save her daughter with the blue hair of the spacegirl showing.

& wonder where the story would go with Dee. Did something happen off screen that we should know about there , but spoiler.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:36 (one week ago) link

I read the book a few years ago so I'm a little rusty on the differences, especially with the show so fresh in mind, but it does generally cover the same ground. The book is structured as a series of short stories that link these characters together, so it's a little less linear in the overarching narrative, though it still picks up on pretty much everything. Iirc, the most significant difference being that Tic's back story in Korea is only hinted at but never fully delved into.

Most of the other changes were much for the better. Specifically the episode about the spell cast on D is actually told from the perspective of a cousin, Horace, that isn't included in the TV series, and his spell is to be chased by all sorts of inanimate objects. I thought the way the show handled this with D was much more well done and more terrifying. Hippolyta's trip to the telescope is quite different in the book as well, more explicitly trying it to the racist history of the Braithwhite family, but I also liked how they dealt with it in the show better.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:48 (one week ago) link

I also loved the emotional arc of all the characters. If there’s one thing I wish had happened, it’s that Sammy had also been accepted by the family. It’s certainly a thread a second season could pick up, but I also am not sure what story a second season would tell; they resolved the central conflict and effectively destroyed Lovecraft Country. They can all make themselves impervious to harm. It might be fun to see where these characters go when unencumbered by the fear of oppression as well as exploring what limits there are to the magic they have reclaimed but how do you do that in a way that keeps them heroic and doesn’t invite lazy comparisons to Randian philosophy? I’m willing to give a subsequent season the benefit of the doubt but story wise, this was satisfying for me.

― shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, October 20, 2020 9:34 AM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is similar to my thoughts. All the characters were so well done, so balanced, in that while Atticus was the focus, so many other characters received substantial, important screen time, so you really got to connect with them all. I would go so far to say it was one of my favorite seasons of any show, ever, certainly of anything sci-fi/fantasy.

He was very mean to Mr. Chamillionaire (PBKR), Thursday, 22 October 2020 22:43 (one week ago) link


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